S-FM 214 Mean Girls

[Frog]

S-FM Mean Girls

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...-FM-Mean-Girls

This is a game of Simple Forum Mafia. This is a standard balanced setup. For a clearer idea on how to expect to approach this setup, click on the spoiler.

Spoiler : Strategy :

Article #2: Seers/Cops and Keeping Good Cover
- written by Yates

“A secret's worth depends on the people from whom it must be kept.”
― Carlos Ruiz Zafón, “The Shadow of the Wind”

This is a guide on understanding the basic principles of being a seer, providing seer cover, and the information generated by the scum team’s seer hunt.

What is a seer?
A seer [also known as a cop] is a basic Town power role with the ability to investigate one person per night in order to determine their alignment. The game mod then sends these investigation results to the seer/cop at the beginning of each new day. These investigation results are called "peeks."

In basic games, there are three things that are always going to happen:

1. A seer has to "drop peeks." This means that they have to find a way to post their results in the thread for the Town to see.
   
2. The Town needs to provide "seer cover" [also known as "hypo cop'ing"]. This means that the rest of the Town should be providing fake peeks in order to confuse the scum team and hide the real seer results until it is safe for the real seer to claim or the real seer is killed.
   
3. The scum has to "seer hunt." In basic games, the scum team does not have a lot of time to find the seer. In a typical standard game if the scum team doesn't find the seer by day 3 and the seer has 3 live peeks or 2 live peeks and a scum peek the game is mechanically locked and the Town always wins.

Seer Hunt Clear
Let's talk about "seer hunt clear" [SHC]:
Seer hunt clear is when a person is "cleared" as Town because the scum team killed the person with a fake peek on them.

Example:
Yates fakes a Town peek on Thingy.
That night Yates is killed by the scum team.
Thingy is considered seer hunt cleared.

Why? Look at point 3 above. The scum team has a limited amount of time to find the seer. They are very unlikely to kill someone who has a fake peek on scum. The reason they are very unlikely to kill someone with a fake peek on scum is because the "peek" is inaccurate which means that person can't be the real seer.

To continue the example:
Yates fakes a Town peek on Thingy.
Thingy is actually scum.
Thingy and his scum team now know that Yates is NOT the seer and will usually night kill someone else in an effort to find the real seer.

How to provide cover
The trick with providing cover is in figuring out accurate fake peeks and maintaining those peeks as the day progresses. As you saw above, once you fake a peek on scum the scum team knows you are not the real seer and that limits the pool of potential people who can be the real seer. This being the case, it is almost always advisable to fake your "peek" on someone you are Town reading. In order to do this, it makes the most sense for everyone to hold off on dropping their fake peeks [and for the seer to hold off on dropping their real peek] until there is enough information in the thread to give everyone actual reads. It is always easier to maintain a fake peek on someone you are Town reading anyway.

Some people think it's a good idea to drop their peek in their first post. While this might seem like a good idea, since statistically you are more likely to randomly choose a villager, you make it harder for the real seer to pretend their read could also be fake. This method also relies 100% on luck. While luck is certainly involved to a certain extent, we also like to think of this as a game of skill. So why not use your skills by waiting longer in order to improve your luck?

Make your peeks clear. Some people like to hide their fake peeks. This is a bad idea. If you get killed at night, you want your peeks to be OBVIOUS to the rest of the Town. This is especially true in Turbo games where every second counts. The less time the village has to spend figuring out your peeks, the easier it will be to soft clear Townies. Also, you will want your real seer to make their peeks obvious so you want to try to emulate that clarity. Using phrases like “if I’m the seer I peeked playerX Town n0” or simply “I peeked player Town last night” leave no doubt.

Once you have committed to a fake peek, you have to stick with that peek. If I call Thingy my n0 peek and I suddenly start suspecting him [even though the scum team knows he is Town], it becomes pretty clear to the scum team that I am not the real seer because I "dropped cover." So if I call Thingy my n0 peek, he has to always be the "Towniest" person in all future reads lists.

The hardest time to maintain cover is when someone claims to be the real seer. Do yourself and everyone else a favor and evaluate the authenticity of that claim before you just drop your cover [by unvoting or high fiving or something like that]. Scum will often fake claim seer when caught to see how people react so their team mates might be able to find the real seer.

How to drop peeks as the seer
Hopefully, everyone in the Town is savvy enough to know how to properly fake peek. [If they don’t? Refer them to this article post game!] One of the best ways to do this is to “disguise” your peek as a read. As you read above, the players who are better at providing seer cover drop their peeks based on reads. If they are doing this, it will make things a lot easier on you. If not, then it doesn’t matter too much because the scum will see your peeks and hopefully assume that your peek is “too easy” of a target because it is clearly based off of a read.

The trick to providing the Town with your peeks is to make them indistinguishable from fake peeks but also clear. If you are the seer you want there to be no doubts about who your peeks are. This is especially true in Turbo games where every second counts. Using phrases like “if I’m the seer I peeked playerX Town n0” or simply “I peeked player Town last night” leave no doubt. If you bury your peeks in long reads lists or rambling posts, there’s always a danger they will not be seen.

The biggest challenge you will face is when someone fake claims being the real seer. A good Town will evaluate all claims and will not immediately drop seer cover. If they do? You may be forced to unvote or vote for someone in order to appear to be a regular Townie. Even if you change your vote back, the hope is that your flinch will make the scum team think you are not the real seer because the real seer will know not to flinch. Ideally, you will have a Town hero who does NOT flinch at all and will eat the bullet for you at night. Knowing when to counter claim is an art and a whole topic of its own that I will leave up to you.

Cliffs:

• EVERYONE should provide seer cover.
• Peeks should be clear.
• Seer cover based on reads is usually more accurate than random luck.
• Don’t drop cover.
• Seer hunt clear is a real thing.

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Open Setup - 9 Players

1. Mean Girl (Mafia Goon)
2. Mean Girl (Mafia Goon)
3. Cady Heron (Town Alignment Cop)
4. Good Girl (Vanilla Town)
5. Good Girl (Vanilla Town)
6. Good Girl (Vanilla Town)
7. Good Girl (Vanilla Town)
8. Good Girl (Vanilla Town)
9. Good Girl (Vanilla Town)

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Mechanics

• Majority is in effect. Day will end the instant a majority is reached. No posting after majority is reached.
• Town wins when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
• Plurality voting is in effect; whoever receives the most votes by the end of the day will be lynched.
• No Lynching is enabled. Vote for No Lynch to forgo a lynch that Day.
• Mafia kills are assigned, not factional. They can be tracked, watched, or roleblocked.
• Cops get night zero town peeks.
• Mafia may only communicate during Night starting n0.
• If the lynch vote ends in a tie, then a player will be lynched at random from among the tied players.
• Last wills are not allowed

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Rules

These are new rules, you should read them

Instructions to fit in, have everybody like you, and always be happy:

• Only post/talk about the game in this thread. Don't PM other players, unless your role PM allows this. Also, don't post anything about the game in other threads or on other forums.
• Don't try to use the form of your role PM. So a screenshot of your role PM would be cheating.
• When the thread is open and the Mafia Host has announced the start of the day phase you can post in it. But only as long as you are a live player. No deadposting, please.
• Breadcrumbing is allowed. Secret codes requiring keys or anything resembling that is NOT allowed.
• This is a game of lying. Players are expected to lie. No statement or promise a player makes within the game has any force outside the game. As an example, a bet offered in a game is not something you can collect if you win.
• If we believe you to bending the rules intentionally in a way that clearly goes against the spirit of the rules and the game, then that would also be grounds for modkill. Do not try to get fancy or angly with the rules, please. An example would include trying to blame the ModBot for a supposed error in order to make a claim of yours more believable.
• If you have any questions about rules, send a PM to this account. I'd be happy to help. You should not be asking the Game Host questions in the thread and neither should you ever refer to private communications with the mod.
• If you should ever require a sub, PM the mod and stop posting in the thread.
• No *****'ing / multi-accounting is allowed. Do not share your account with anyone else.
• Treat your fellow players with respect. Hostility will not be tolerated.

I will repeat this particular rule once more in big letters to make sure you understand:

DO NOT EVER REFERENCE THIS GAME OUTSIDE OF THIS GAME THREAD. I.E. YOU SHOULD NOT BE TALKING ABOUT THIS GAME WHATSOEVER ON YOUR HOME SITE. IF PEOPLE ASK YOU QUESTIONS, TELL THEM YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE GAME AND LINK THEM TO THIS THREAD.

We expect participation, and if you do not seem to be participating, for example, if you post less than 10 times per day phase, it is possible that we will consider subbing you out of the game. If you don't post at all, a sub will be found ASAP, at our discretion.

Please do not put me in a tough situation. It has happened several times in the past seasons that people have made comments about the game that could potentially indicate their alignment. Even saying "the game is a lot of fun" or "man, I hate this" is way, way, way, way inappropriate!

PLEASE DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING RELATING TO SUBS. Whether that be why someone subbed out or who might sub in, don't discuss it at all. If you are choosing to sub out, do not post about it in the thread. The only discussion of substitution should happen between the relevant player and the hosts, never in the thread.

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Phase Lengths

Days are 48 hours in length. Nights are 24 hours in length. Day and Night lengths may be altered pre-game if requested, including extended weekend times.

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Roles

High School (Town) Roles:

• Good Girl (Vanilla Town)
  
  
  You are a Good Girl (Vanilla Town). You win when all threats to the High School have been eliminated.
  
• Cady Heron (Town Alignment Cop)
  
  
  You are Cady Heron (Town Alignment Cop). You win when all threats to the High School have been eliminated.
  
  As Cady Heron, you have access to the Alignment Inspection Night Action. Alignment Inspection will reveal a target's alignment (Good Girl/Mean Girl). Submit your Night Action each night using a PM to the host with the title: Night Action (#). You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.
  
  If you do not submit an action, a player will be picked at random from the un-Inspected living players.
  
  You receive a randomized Night 0 check amongst Good Girl players upon receiving your rolecard.
  
  

  Inspection Results for Night 0.
  
  Player A is a Good Girl

Mean Girl (Mafia) Roles:

• Mean Girl (Mafia Goon)
  
  
  You are a Mean Girl. You win when the High School cannot regain majority. Your teammates are:
  
  Mean Girls
  
  Player A
  Player B
  
  Mafia Chat: Pre-Game and Night Only
  
  As Mean Girl, you have access to the Burn Book Night Action. Players targeted with this action will drop out of High School in shame at the end of the Night. Submit your Night Action each night using a PM to the host with the title: Night Action (#). You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.
  
  If no Mean Girls submit an action, a player will be picked at random from the living non-Mean Girls.

[Frog]

Still Walking The Halls of Hot Girl High School

1. @Suntax
2. @Eggy
3. @secondpassing
4. @Stereo
5. @PLZLEAVEDUCKK
6. @Whad
7. @Mesk514
8. @Unknown1234

Dropped Out Of High School

1. purebe Mafia Goon (Lynched D1)

Day 1
Night 1

[Frog]

Walking along the halls of her new high school, Cady Heron was distracted by her beautiful classmates.


She had never had these urges before, but she couldn't take her eyes off her classmates in the gym locker room.


Flustered she introduced herself to many of her classmates, especially the girls.


She found herself quickly promising her love to everyone, but how many girls really loved her back?


She decided she'd stalk her classmates at night when they're most (s)exposed to find out for sure whether or not her infatuation is going unrequited.

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The girls at Hot Girl High School have gone insane and pandemonium breaks out across the school. The halls are littered with copies of rumors about every girl in the high school except for 9.



The PA System turns on

This is Principal Ron Duvall.

The following students must report to my office immediately.

Suntax; Eggy; SecondPassing; Stereo; PLZLEAVEDUCKK; purebe; Whad; Mesk514; Unknown1234; MattZed; SuperJack;

That is all.

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The PA System turns on again.

Principal Ron Duvall clears his throat.

On second thought, line up on the football field. My office is being overrun. I'll meet you there.



You know why you're here. The student or students responsible for the burn book and the bat shit craziness going on inside are here. The ones responsible will be punished, or you will all be punished. Talk amongst yourselves. I'll keep you here all night if I have to.

SuperJack and MattZed have a doctor's note excusing them from this for now. Something about cake?

Oh, and we're only allowed to keep the rest here until 4 PM.

SuperJack and MattZed, you're both excused for cake I guess.

As for the rest of you...

[Frog]

Day Starts Monday October 10th, 7 PM Central Time / 8 PM Eastern Time

Still Walking The Halls of Hot Girl High School

1. @Suntax
2. @Eggy
3. @secondpassing
4. @Stereo
5. @PLZLEAVEDUCKK
6. @purebe
7. @Whad
8. @Mesk514
9. @Unknown1234

Day lasts 48 hours
5 votes to hammer.
If Majority is not reached, whoever receives the most amount of votes EOD will be lynched.
In the event of ties, one of the tied players will be lynched at random.

[Frog]

Day Starts Now

Still Walking The Halls of Hot Girl High School

1. @Suntax
2. @Eggy
3. @secondpassing
4. @Stereo
5. @PLZLEAVEDUCKK
6. @purebe
7. @Whad
8. @Mesk514
9. @Unknown1234

Day lasts 45.5 hours
5 votes to hammer.
If Majority is not reached, whoever receives the most amount of votes EOD will be lynched.
In the event of ties, one of the tied players will be lynched at random.

Day ends Oct 12 8 PM EST

Sorry for the late start (birthday stuff went late)

[Mesk514]

Wooohoooo only almost 3 hours late buy alright, Almighty Town Almighty Mesk here back from her 2 game boycott.
Time to start with a quality policy vote

-vote SecondPassing

no further comment as role play literally demands I be nice

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

I just way to say Gretchen is my love and since there are only two mean girls, she is clearly one of the good girls.

Purebe/mesk are the mafia... so new record in solving the game.

-vote whad

No giving reads without reasoning this game!!

[secondpassing]

Wooohoooo only almost 3 hours late buy alright, Almighty Town Almighty Mesk here back from her 2 game boycott.
Time to start with a quality policy vote

-vote SecondPassing

no further comment as role play literally demands I be nice

Policy vote? Preposterous!

-vote Mesk514

If anything, you should be policy lynched for not reading posts. Then again, that's based on former games. I should probably give Mesk a better chance, but I'm cooking pasta right now.

[secondpassing]

'sup duck.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Wow

1) I already failed to solve the game in one post
2) a TvT argument has already happened....

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Not much just counting the days until my love gretchen notices me.

[purebe]

as we all know when a bunch of girls in high school get together they have to decide on the pretty girl pecking order, so, since I'm the prettiest you ladies need to work out your totem pole

[Unknown1234]

Policy vote? Preposterous!

-vote Mesk514

If anything, you should be policy lynched for not reading posts. Then again, that's based on former games. I should probably give Mesk a better chance, but I'm cooking pasta right now.

If I was scum, I would call you out and accuse you of OMGUSing even though it is super easy.

If I was Town, I wouldn't have said that because that itself is calling him out.

If I was scum, I wouldn't have said that last message because I would be revealing an obvious flaw.

So much confusion.... Unknown is unreadable GG WP Miss lynch #Unknown incoming.

Now, I must play to my town AND scum game my throwing out a RVS. Hue hue hue...

-vote Stereo

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

as we all know when a bunch of girls in high school get together they have to decide on the pretty girl pecking order, so, since I'm the prettiest you ladies need to work out your totem pole

.... soooo you know they consider the prettiest girl to be regina. Thanks for claiming mafia in both your tone and your content?

I was 1/2 on my opening post, thats not bad at all.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Stereo I know you play the mod a lot, but if you are with purebe and want to just concede now that is okay. Killing me in the night is going to look rather suspicious

[Eggy]

-vote secondpassing

omgus was real secondpassing and duck are scum gg

[Unknown1234]

Stereo I know you play the mod a lot, but if you are with purebe and want to just concede now that is okay. Killing me in the night is going to look rather suspicious

Hit the CAn duck, Hit the can..

[Unknown1234]

-vote secondpassing

omgus was real secondpassing and duck are scum gg

Nice putting secondpassing at L-3. Go for the Quick Hammer bro.

[secondpassing]

Nice putting secondpassing at L-3. Go for the Quick Hammer bro.

Are you scum? T.T
Should I sheep you?

[secondpassing]

as we all know when a bunch of girls in high school get together they have to decide on the pretty girl pecking order, so, since I'm the prettiest you ladies need to work out your totem pole

Hey, so like:

What is your opinion about RVS?
How are you and DUCKK connected?
Have you played against RuFF in SC2Ladder?

[Unknown1234]

Are you scum? T.T
Should I sheep you?

I might be scum. I might also be town. The question is, what am I tomorrow?

[Unknown1234]

TBH I don't approve of changing profile pictures. My favourite one though is obviously the Duck.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Hey, so like:

What is your opinion about RVS?
How are you and DUCKK connected?
Have you played against RuFF in SC2Ladder?

ruff is my boy. We went drinking together after we lost in single bracket stage of dreamhack austin.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

-vote secondpassing

omgus was real secondpassing and duck are scum gg

Unlike my scum list WHICH HAS/HAD a purpose,

this "found the scum team" feels fake.

It also contains two towns.

@unknown I got red mod abused and they gave me a profile picture. I was abused dammit.

[Stereo]

as we all know when a bunch of girls in high school get together they have to decide on the pretty girl pecking order, so, since I'm the prettiest you ladies need to work out your totem pole

Uhm, exCUSE me, bitch? Your flat tits won't even attract those desperate band nerds.

Stereo I know you play the mod a lot, but if you are with purebe and want to just concede now that is okay. Killing me in the night is going to look rather suspicious

Please, that skank has no place in my heart.

-vote purebe

[purebe]

Uhm, exCUSE me, bitch? Your flat tits won't even attract those desperate band nerds.

Oh my gosh, did you really just say that? You are such a slut.

[Eggy]

Nice putting secondpassing at L-3. Go for the Quick Hammer bro.

i will trust me

[Eggy]

I might be scum. I might also be town. The question is, what am I tomorrow?

unknown is 1000% scum everygame hes third scum with second and duck

[Eggy]

Unlike my scum list WHICH HAS/HAD a purpose,

this "found the scum team" feels fake.

It also contains two towns.

@unknown I got red mod abused and they gave me a profile picture. I was abused dammit.

How could you know you are both town?? hmmm supsicious

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Town in particular order:
Mesk
Secondpassing
Stereo

Who the fuck knows:
Unknown....
eggy ( his later posts that I didn't quote were more of a towny tone)

Scum:
Purebe

no further comment as role play literally demands I be nice

Not sure scum mesk opens the game with this comment.

Policy vote? Preposterous!

-vote Mesk514

If anything, you should be policy lynched for not reading posts. Then again, that's based on former games. I should probably give Mesk a better chance, but I'm cooking pasta right now.

Mixed feelings about this post, could lean either way, but would probably lean slightly more town.

Hey, so like:

What is your opinion about RVS?
How are you and DUCKK connected?
Have you played against RuFF in SC2Ladder?

Questions that will understand the relationship between duck and pure and generate content/reads. +town points.

as we all know when a bunch of girls in high school get together they have to decide on the pretty girl pecking order, so, since I'm the prettiest you ladies need to work out your totem pole

Pure is mafia as fuck rofl.

-vote secondpassing

omgus was real secondpassing and duck are scum gg

Feels fake and scummy.
[QUOTE=Stereo;643659]Uhm, exCUSE me, bitch? Your flat tits won't even attract those desperate band nerds.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

How could you know you are both town?? hmmm supsicious

Three options:

1) I am good at the game
2) I am cop and know who one of the towns are
3) I am mafia and know who the towns are

oh and a 4th) I am bad at the game and he is not town.

but yeah in this setup its pretty easy to "know" things. Honestly if the cop and the check are outside of the people I have commented on, the town probably already has auto.

[secondpassing]

Oh my gosh, did you really just say that? You are such a slut.

Hey so like can you answer those questions?


Also, among the so-far active posters, you're the only one to not have voted.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

oh and I meant to say my town list was in no particular order* and I meant to quote stereos post properly and say it was a towny tone....

im ready to lynch purebe though

[secondpassing]

Town in particular order:
Mesk
Secondpassing
Stereo

Mesk:
"No further comment as role play literally demands I be nice."
I believe she softed incorrectly. Agree with this town thing.. sort of. If I misread misreading her soft claim...

Stereo:
If stereo/purebe was actually the mafia team, then his reaction to the association is something I would not expect.
Sounded genuine.

[Eggy]

Three options:

1) I am good at the game
2) I am cop and know who one of the towns are
3) I am mafia and know who the towns are

oh and a 4th) I am bad at the game and he is not town.

but yeah in this setup its pretty easy to "know" things. Honestly if the cop and the check are outside of the people I have commented on, the town probably already has auto.

this pings me as retarded you are definately scum or retard I will decide shortly im abit drunk as it is so my views might change between tonight and tmrq

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

this pings me as retarded you are definately scum or retard I will decide shortly im abit drunk as it is so my views might change between tonight and tmrq

Well fuck, that escalated quickly.

[Eggy]

Mesk:
"No further comment as role play literally demands I be nice."
I believe she softed incorrectly. Agree with this town thing.. sort of. If I misread misreading her soft claim...

Stereo:
If stereo/purebe was actually the mafia team, then his reaction to the association is something I would not expect.
Sounded genuine.

mesk is 1000% town missed this soft claim she is def claiming good girl mesk is queen of softclaims/obvious claims

[Eggy]

Well fuck, that escalated quickly.

not quick enough for my liking

[secondpassing]

Are you scum? T.T
Should I sheep you?

I might be scum. I might also be town. The question is, what am I tomorrow?

What do you think of this post DUCKK?

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Where do you see Eggy's town tone? I can't seem to find it.
(It may be because I already distrust Eggy due to VCA)

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Mesk:
"No further comment as role play literally demands I be nice."
I believe she softed incorrectly. Agree with this town thing.. sort of. If I misread misreading her soft claim...

Stereo:
If stereo/purebe was actually the mafia team, then his reaction to the association is something I would not expect.
Sounded genuine.

Shouldn't be bringing attention to soft claims, but yes I saw what you saw....

I agree with your stereo comment as well. I think stereo/purebe is never a world.

[secondpassing]

mesk is 1000% town missed this soft claim she is def claiming good girl mesk is queen of softclaims/obvious claims

Oh I didn't miss it.

Explanation:
Cady Heron is a good girl.
Good girls are good girls.

Therefore, she has not "soft" claimed either role in a way that makes sense to me.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

What do you think of this post DUCKK?

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Where do you see Eggy's town tone? I can't seem to find it.
(It may be because I already distrust Eggy due to VCA)

I think it is leaning towards unknown as scum. In games I have played and watched I have successfully read unknown every game, and have had to hard defend him in some games. The only game he was mafia I was with him and bussing him, and now that he might be mafia when I am town, there is a chance he is throwing his play style off to confuse me. If so it is working, but I think it may be a bit of a stretch to say he would be changing his play style to fool one particular player.

Eggy's town tone was from "I will" or w/e he said in response to hammering a quick lynch. In his mafia game with purebe where I was helping pure, I paid a lot of attention to eggy, and told purebe to basically distance. In reading his posts he seems to play more towards the 'follow town, I am one of you guys' by saying things like "we shouldn't lynch until the very end of day, etc.

His town tone has since gone away though. Fucker called me retarded or scum. I am both retarded and scum, thank you.

[secondpassing]

Shouldn't be bringing attention to soft claims, but yes I saw what you saw....

It was blowing so hard my eyes started to dry out.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

@Whad I see you, you scum bro? trying to locate purbe's partners.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

mesk is 1000% town missed this soft claim she is def claiming good girl mesk is queen of softclaims/obvious claims

So I am retarded or scum for saying secondpassing is town, but you are 1000% sure mesk is town because she said she was?

LOL k.

[Whad]

If I was scum, I would call you out and accuse you of OMGUSing even though it is super easy.

If I was Town, I wouldn't have said that because that itself is calling him out.

If I was scum, I wouldn't have said that last message because I would be revealing an obvious flaw.

So much confusion.... Unknown is unreadable GG WP Miss lynch #Unknown incoming.

Now, I must play to my town AND scum game my throwing out a RVS. Hue hue hue...

-vote Stereo

This post really bothers me.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

This post really bothers me.

I found it odd how he wanted to play towards his town and scum game. If he is town it does not make sense to try and look scummy except for a few reasons....

[secondpassing]

I think it is leaning towards unknown as scum. In games I have played and watched I have successfully read unknown every game, and have had to hard defend him in some games. The only game he was mafia I was with him and bussing him, and now that he might be mafia when I am town, there is a chance he is throwing his play style off to confuse me. If so it is working, but I think it may be a bit of a stretch to say he would be changing his play style to fool one particular player.

Eggy's town tone was from "I will" or w/e he said in response to hammering a quick lynch. In his mafia game with purebe where I was helping pure, I paid a lot of attention to eggy, and told purebe to basically distance. In reading his posts he seems to play more towards the 'follow town, I am one of you guys' by saying things like "we shouldn't lynch until the very end of day, etc.

His town tone has since gone away though. Fucker called me retarded or scum. I am both retarded and scum, thank you.

I actually had the opposite reaction to Unknown's reply. Instead of replying, "I am town" like a standard town/scum person would— the comment draws attention to itself. The reply made was not structured and leaves us "guessing" whether or not he wants us to think of him as town or not. As of what I have, he leans town, due to that ambiguity. That, or he is ALSO throwing his play style off to confuse all of us. The question is, what is he tomorrow?

Eggy said, "I will trust me". I'm biased against them for their bias towards me, as both Mesk514 and Eggy are both voting me. Again. Funny thing was, the three(?) times they did it they were all town. But the real question is: would he do it as scum? I'm.. not sure. Never really know what's going through his mind as he makes decisions. I hope they will be good this game.

:: You are the most vocal against purebe, but your vote..

[Whad]

If I was scum, I would call you out and accuse you of OMGUSing even though it is super easy.

If I was Town, I wouldn't have said that because that itself is calling him out.

If I was scum, I wouldn't have said that last message because I would be revealing an obvious flaw.

So much confusion.... Unknown is unreadable GG WP Miss lynch #Unknown incoming.

Now, I must play to my town AND scum game my throwing out a RVS. Hue hue hue...

-vote Stereo

I think that OMGUS is pretty scummy and warrants a callout.

It appears to me that unknown is trying to pre-empt a "secondpassing omgus voted mesk and it's scummy" type of argument by saying that it's scummy to call omgus scummy. (And then disguising the rest of the post with a bunch of waffly back and forth calling himself unreadable and a mislynch.)

I'll have to see how this develops, but it seems totally unnatural. I'd doubt the obvious unknown/secondpassing team but could see unknown/secondpassing.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

I think that OMGUS is pretty scummy and warrants a callout.

It appears to me that unknown is trying to pre-empt a "secondpassing omgus voted mesk and it's scummy" type of argument by saying that it's scummy to call omgus scummy. (And then disguising the rest of the post with a bunch of waffly back and forth calling himself unreadable and a mislynch.)

I'll have to see how this develops, but it seems totally unnatural. I'd doubt the obvious unknown/secondpassing team but could see unknown/secondpassing.

I agree that is mafia unknown/town secondpassing

@SP I didn't really even want to vote because I hate rvs, so pay little attention to the fact I am voting someone I have no read on rather than someone I think is scum. I rather see who else is interacting with someone I scum read rather than make the person "off limits" by having a vote on them.