S-FM The Cold War III

[Ganelon]

Also

-vote Lenneth

Hi

[Ganelon]

The "Fidel Castro is not in the game." thing wasn't there at game start, Distorted added it because I didn't see it... apparently it was on the signups page

I have to agree with blink here, claiming a role like Fidel Castro - a neutral role that isn't even in the game - makes me uneasy.

[Ganelon]

So the scum know who to attack...?

Answers like this one are not productive.

[Ganelon]

Answers like this one are not productive.

Because it's a logical fallacy. Duh.

[Ganelon]

DO NOT START THE CITIZEN CLAIMS ALREADY, THAT WILL OUT OUR FUCKING TPRS - STOP!!!! ANY FURTHER CITIZEN CLAIMS WILL BE INSTANTLY SCUMREAD BY ME

[Ganelon]

Short summary of my thoughts: Townreads: Blinkskater, for jumping at me as he does every time as town... as scum, he's much more passive and will try to set up stuff more carefully. Naz, feels town, but that's just gut & meta, not much to say. Magoroth, sounded townish to me.... he usually form shit plans as town :P (no offense magoroth, but crocodile dundee > you)

Scumreads: It's too early to talk about a real scumread yet. Too many people are AFK no way to use elimination method.

Thanks for the discredit chum, >calls my plans shit, shitposts about a lot of stuff. Logical fallacy. Dude, you're like filled with those kind of statements.

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

Also, I wanna know what you want us to do cuz I'm not seeing you doing much other than shitposting. And you seem to have some good plans?

This makes me think you could be Neutral Evil, but a part of me says "I don't think this is MM's Neutral Evil play style".

[Ganelon]

And, then again, Neutral Evil doesn't shitclaim Survivor

[Ganelon]

Spoiler : cvote :

Marshmallow Marshall, Fielzanks

[TheGodDavid]

@Distorted , if the guy (I assume it's Lenin?) that can heal people at night heals a Sleeper Agent that is attacked, does he prevent conversion?

I assume so because of what rumox said

With Lenin I would have free reign to provide information with no fear of being turned to scum. If in the eventual future Lenin does die then looking at me to become a potential lynch the FOLLOWING day is fair play.

[Ganelon]

actually, if u look right over here..
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i live in the land of send nudes
so put that in your pipe and smoke it

Lmfao

[Ganelon]

I assume so because of what rumox said

That's what he assumed. ​It may not be so and that's what I'm trying to find out.

[Distorted]

@Distorted , if the guy (I assume it's Lenin?) that can heal people at night heals a Sleeper Agent that is attacked, does he prevent conversion?

Yes a heal would prevent conversion.

[Ganelon]

Yes a heal would prevent conversion.

Ok good. @Lenin , heal rumox. I know the whole 'BG on me thing' is a scum tell, but, for real, do that.

[Ganelon]

Ok good. @Lenin, heal rumox. I know the whole 'BG on me thing' is a scum tell, but, for real, do that.

Oh, there's a guy called Lenin on the forums. Oops

[Ganelon]

Posting Capitalist roles here so that I can better devise a plan for the heroes of the revolution

Spoiler : mafia :

Spoiler : Capitalist Scum :

President Truman

Passive Ability: Leader of the Mafia, may override night actions.
Heat Action:- The Doctrine, Role block all town and others ability, targets will not be informed of roleblock.




President Nixon

Action: Target one person at night, learning their role
Heat Action:- No Ballistics, Stops all weapons firing for 1 day and night, does not stop Mafia roles. Does not stop castro handouts.



JFK

Action: Target one player at night, roleblocking them. Target is informed of roleblock.
Heat action:- Become The assassin, gives JFK a one shot gun and Nixon a one use vest



Mafioso






Action: May be sent for the factional night kill.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

-vote Marshmallow Marshall


Maybe I come with too much of a mod mindset here and everyone in FM just says stupid shit for fun, but the laughable fake castro claim and then the extremely defensive and hurt way he acted after being called out = most obvious scum ever

... you realize this is a legit strategy to get the survivor to claim, right... need the reference? https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...he-Coldest-War. Voss was scum, but the reasons were legit: to get the survivor out, especially such a dangerous one. I do not regret making this claim.

P.S. you don't have to read everything :P

[Marshmallow Marshall]

MM is acting really susp imo... wants to lynch rumox
rumox is a town read for me

I'll be a copy CAT and take Gyrlander's formula for this: MM is suspicious. Reason: He wants to lynch rumox. He's town. So MM is susp. Reason for rumox being town: NON EXISTANT

Explain your read. People without identical reads to yours aren't always scum :P

[Ganelon]

Spoiler : cvote :

Marshmallow Marshall, Fielzanks, aamirus

@Unknown1234 we have similar reads!!!

[Marshmallow Marshall]

No naz it was a fake vote to bait him u ruined it

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

or maybe you were right? WHO CAN SAY FOR SURE?

lol :P it was an error, its obvious, so I treated it like a real vote. But yeah... it's with the tags lol

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Phone posting right now, so depth will not be as heavy in my posts right now.

Just finished read through, but notes off of Just reading these posts:

Marshmallow Marshall has been all over the place. I’m not sure why they’ve been continuously voting random people at this point, they’re acting very defensive about their votes and just comes across to me as a flailing scum early on.

Second main note I’ve noticed is where this rumox train is going, specifically the naz vote on this. Are you voting him for claiming sleeper agent? Because nothing in that post has given me the impression that a scum was claiming this.

With that in mind,

-vote naz

Lastly, and more recent, aamirus has left me wondering why they did that fake vote in the first place. I’m not sure what he’d expect to get out of it by ‘testing Marshmallow’ when MM already called out my fake joke vote at the beginning of the game (which looked like a real vote as opposed to this one). Feels too forced of a vote, although I am suspicious of MM at this point as well.

You seriously believe that Rumox should be let alive? Seriously?? .......................

I'm all over the place to gather information and reads. That's how you play FM. At least how I play.

[Ganelon]

I'll be a copy CAT and take Gyrlander's formula for this: MM is suspicious. Reason: He wants to lynch rumox. He's town. So MM is susp. Reason for rumox being town: NON EXISTANT

Explain your read. People without identical reads to yours aren't always scum :P

Stop tunneling on David lol, he's a new player, if you guys had done that to me in my first few games I would never have played again.

But, yeah, David, @TheGodDavid , that isn't really a reason to scum read someone.

Here's few guides for playing this game (the first one GREATLY helped me in the mod, especially):

https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafi...guide-to-mafia



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Glossary:
Scum - The Roles that are not part of the majority (The Town) and whose win condition implies the destruction of the town, by whatever means (kill/Lynch/conversion)
OMGUS - Oh My God You Suck. In essence, voting someone just because they voted you back.
WIFOM - Mind games, basically. It stands for 'Wine in front of Me'. WIFOM
'Read' - Your opinion of someone, in terms of their possible alignment, in-game role, intent, etc.
Meta - A player's play style, more or less. I believe it can refer to some other stuff as well, but I've seen it used mostly for the way someone plays this game (usually, made as comparison between games where they were Scum/Town)

[blinkskater]

Well, there wouldn't be a mafia kill that night and we would "know"
Unless he already is scum and thought it was a good idea to claim that role...
wtf man

Actually there could be if you read the damn setup youd know how ffs

[blinkskater]

I have to agree with blink here, claiming a role like Fidel Castro - a neutral role that isn't even in the game - makes me uneasy.

Distorted has claimed neutral before as scum to try and bait out the real neutral. Just saying.

[blinkskater]

Ok good. @Lenin , heal rumox. I know the whole 'BG on me thing' is a scum tell, but, for real, do that.

The mafia can use their heat action to roleblock lenin thus converting rumox day n1? I think we almost have no choice but to lynch him it was a very bad claim IMO

[Ganelon]

The mafia can use their heat action to roleblock lenin thus converting rumox day n1? I think we almost have no choice but to lynch him it was a very bad claim IMO

Actually, I need to read the mafia roles I just posted, I think that since there is no mafioso on d1, nobody can kill, but I need to check

[Ganelon]

@Distorted , can the mafia send one of their Power Roles to kill, even if there are no Mafiosi?

[Ganelon]

@Distorted, can the mafia send one of their Power Roles to kill, even if there are no Mafiosi?

Nvm I asked via pm and he replies affirmatively.

[blinkskater]

Actually, I need to read the mafia roles I just posted, I think that since there is no mafioso on d1, nobody can kill, but I need to check

..... Are you serious you are either a shitty liar or a shitty player

[Ganelon]

Nvm I asked via pm and he replies affirmatively.

Replied*

[Ganelon]

..... Are you serious you are either a shitty liar or a shitty player

Kiss my furry ass

[Ganelon]

Btw, whichever of the Mafia Roles is sent to complete the night kill cannot utilize their night action

[blinkskater]

Kiss my furry ass

You wish i would a simple glimpse over the setup would have answered your question... You know who doesnt bother with the setup day 1? Scum.

[Ganelon]

You wish i would a simple glimpse over the setup would have answered your question... You know who doesnt bother with the setup day 1? Scum.

I'd like you to reread the thread, I'm one of the only players to have actually commented on the Setup - and last I checked, not commenting on the Mafia side of the argument can mean two things:

a) You're mafia. You don't give a shit/you don't want your strategy to be outed.
b) You're town and townies naturally think more about their own strategies than about Mafia strategies, cuz, duh? I didn't even talk about neutral strategies, because I haven't given it thought yet

[blinkskater]

I dont need to re read the thread nor do i need you to justify yourself, before you play you should read every role and abillity, and before you get lazy and ask a q to host you should check the setup for the answer which isnt very hard to find

[blinkskater]

I'd like you to reread the thread, I'm one of the only players to have actually commented on the Setup - and last I checked, not commenting on the Mafia side of the argument can mean two things:

a) You're mafia. You don't give a shit/you don't want your strategy to be outed.
b) You're town and townies naturally think more about their own strategies than about Mafia strategies, cuz, duh? I didn't even talk about neutral strategies, because I haven't given it thought yet

Also im going to call BS on this one because as town you want to talk ALOT about mafia starts so you dont get tricked into outing yourself day 1 like MM did in the coldest war smh

[Ganelon]

I dont need to re read the thread nor do i need you to justify yourself, before you play you should read every role and abillity, and before you get lazy and ask a q to host you should check the setup for the answer which isnt very hard to find

Alright.

[blinkskater]

Im going back to bed blink out.

[Ganelon]

I really wasn't looking for information. I think we all agree MM looks like scum and my instinct is to just lynch. Remember this is first FM, I am coming with the mindset of a mod player

Wat

[Distorted]

@Distorted , can the mafia send one of their Power Roles to kill, even if there are no Mafiosi?

anyone from the Mafia can be sent to do factional kill - but that will count as their night action.

[Ganelon]

Wat

Aamirus, you're looking opportunistic as hell here... I don't like you just shitvoting MM out of the blue

[Ganelon]

Action: Target one player at night, roleblocking them. Target is informed of roleblock.

Would JFK claim Escort?

[Ganelon]

Action: Target one player at night, roleblocking them. Target is informed of roleblock.

Would JFK claim Escort?

I think not; like blinkskater said, they'll most likely be blocking Lenin. Also, I noticed this

Also im going to call BS on this one because as town you want to talk ALOT about mafia starts so you dont get tricked into outing yourself day 1 like MM did in the coldest war smh

Implies that Scum would be doing the opposite. (this isn't related to what I said; I'm saying that what might've happened is that scum might've been following me ^^)

[Ganelon]

@Distorted , any chance we could get a link to the post count?

[Distorted]

@Distorted , any chance we could get a link to the post count?

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/misc.p...posted&t=42710

to view the postcount go to sc2mafia.com ---> active games ---> then click on "replies" instead of clicking on the active post and that will show u the post count.

[Ganelon]

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/misc.p...posted&t=42710

to view the postcount go to sc2mafia.com ---> active games ---> then click on "replies" instead of clicking on the active post and that will show u the post count.

Oh I didn't know that. Thanks!! s.givecookie @Distorted

[Distorted]

By EoD 1 I will replace people who are not contributing.

[Ganelon]

Alright scum it's time for me to read the thread (pages 2->5) and to cull you from the general populace of RIGHTEOUS HOMI NOVI!!!!!! FOR THE MOTHERLAND!! DEATH TO THE BOURGEOIS OPPRESSORS!!

[Ganelon]

@Distorted , if Lenin creates a night chat with the mafia, does the mafioso (generic term) still partake in his team's chat?

[Ganelon]

@Distorted, if Lenin creates a night chat with the mafia, does the mafioso (generic term) still partake in his team's chat?

Ah fuck, meant to use white there, sorry

[TheGodDavid]

I'll be a copy CAT and take Gyrlander's formula for this: MM is suspicious. Reason: He wants to lynch rumox. He's town. So MM is susp. Reason for rumox being town: NON EXISTANT

Explain your read. People without identical reads to yours aren't always scum :P

Why would someone fake claim a town role especially if they can't prove it
I don't see any mafia or neutral roles that can check visits
so I would like to believe his claim for now