S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

[yzb25]

Can you explain the "logical contradiction" that Gyrlander did? I saw no contradiction from his slot.

And you can't just say you don't like something without explaining it. That's fucking lazy lol.

I didn't say Gyr made the logic fart - SJ made it. What I meant was Gyr pointing out the logic fart is not town-indicative. It's very easy as scum to just point out logical contradictions and stuff. Speaking from experience as a bad scum, that's one of the ways I try to add filler to my posts lol.

I'm certainly not lazy. I didn't share reasoning because I couldn't. I'm not sure how to put it into words. You'll just have to accept that =P

Maybe you should open your mind instead of taking up your entire day chat effort on one person, just some personal advice. Admitting to tunneling is really really stupid. There is no benefit to do it as Town.

I'm not going to tunnel. I don't know how I gave that implication, when the post is a drawn-out way of saying "I'm going to go easy on you for a while".

I can't just pretend I don't scumread him, but I've made my case now, so until someone brings something fresh to the table, there's no point dragging things out.

____________________________

Anyway, I agree with SJ. You don't have a lot of chill right now. It's weird lol.

[Cryptonic]

I didn't say Gyr made the logic fart - SJ made it. What I meant was Gyr pointing out the logic fart is not town-indicative. It's very easy as scum to just point out logical contradictions and stuff. Speaking from experience as a bad scum, that's one of the ways I try to add filler to my posts lol.

I'm certainly not lazy. I didn't share reasoning because I couldn't. I'm not sure how to put it into words. You'll just have to accept that =P



I'm not going to tunnel. I don't know how I gave that implication, when the post is a drawn-out way of saying "I'm going to go easy on you for a while".

I can't just pretend I don't scumread him, but I've made my case now, so until someone brings something fresh to the table, there's no point dragging things out.

____________________________

Anyway, I agree with SJ. You don't have a lot of chill right now. It's weird lol.

Ah ok. I thought you were talking about Gyrlander. I'm not saying that Gyrlander is Town for doing it, just not at the top of my scum list for d1. I don't believe that scum would really try to poke holes in logic of a d1 lynch and just see shit play out. If it happened later in the game, then I wouldn't see that as either Town nor Mafia and would agree with your read. But d1 in a setup like this is a different beast.

I don't think I have to accept anything, to be honest. As you said earlier in this post: "one of the ways I try to add filler to my posts". That means you have more than one way, so I could see "pointing out random shit without any reasoning and not able to explain myself" as another filler that you throw in your posts. Even if you have a gut feeling about a post, you should be able to explain your post.

And you're right, I'm sorry; I misread the post about tunneling. I thought it said you ARE going to tunnel him this game. My apologies lol. I wasn't asking if you not to scum read him. I prefer that you do scum read him, specifically because I am not scum reading him. This allows for more thorough reads from multiple players after the d1 flip, to see associations, ect.



PS: When do I ever have chill? I'm a dickhead in all games, especially when people engage me. If SuperJack thinks that I'm going to roll over and let him vote me & put me at L-3 when he's being retarded and not having any argument and has people AGREEING with the lack of argument, then yea I'm going to react. I'm an aggressive player, dealwithit

[Orpz]

-unvote

I'm ok with Gyr now.

Whad plz explain your low effort reads last night. Justifying everything using meta (2 out of 2 of your scum reads were 3-word meta reasoning) is lazy because it shows you don't want to actually read this game, and you know it.

[SuperJack]

PS: When do I ever have chill? I'm a dickhead in all games, especially when people engage me. If SuperJack thinks that I'm going to roll over and let him vote me & put me at L-3 when he's being retarded and not having any argument and has people AGREEING with the lack of argument, then yea I'm going to react. I'm an aggressive player, dealwithit

I'm sorry, when did I put you at L-3? Unless you are re-ferrying to Whad (Which is kinda unclear)
And why are you making such a big deal. about L-3, in the early day?
Especially when most of the votes are meaning less at the time.
(Mine, now Is a Serious Vote, as your reaction is totally wrong, I myself have similar reactions in game when I am guilty, but found guilty for the wrong reasons)

[Mesk514]

Oh hi

[SuperJack]

Oh hi

Why did you post that smiley brah

[Cryptonic]

I'm sorry, when did I put you at L-3? Unless you are re-ferrying to Whad (Which is kinda unclear)
And why are you making such a big deal. about L-3, in the early day?
Especially when most of the votes are meaning less at the time.
(Mine, now Is a Serious Vote, as your reaction is totally wrong, I myself have similar reactions in game when I am guilty, but found guilty for the wrong reasons)

Your shit reasoning has put me @ L-3. Whad is following your lead, so you should feel responsible. Either you should be pressuring Whad yourself, or backing off entirely. Neither of which you are doing, so that is quite alarming.

I'm not making a big deal out of anything. I am explaining the situation, so I guess you're just comprehending the way I am typing in a way that fits into your POV of me.

If you have a legitimate reason for voting me (ie thinking I am defensive), then that is cool. As long as you're admitting that you making 3 posts about me being scum for copy/pasta is full on retarded, then we can move on lol.


But please, I'd like you to go on about how my reaction is "totally wrong".
The thing that you need to realize is that I am not you. So, while you may be a shit scum player and get defensive, I am not as shitty as scum player lol.

[Cryptonic]

Oh hi

sup kiddo

[Mesk514]

All I have to say is, I'm a citizen and I am easy to sort!

[yzb25]

Ah ok. I thought you were talking about Gyrlander. I'm not saying that Gyrlander is Town for doing it, just not at the top of my scum list for d1. I don't believe that scum would really try to poke holes in logic of a d1 lynch and just see shit play out. If it happened later in the game, then I wouldn't see that as either Town nor Mafia and would agree with your read. But d1 in a setup like this is a different beast.

I'm confused. You literally said you are townreading Gyrlander for pointing out logic holes:

Spoiler : The original post :

I'm Town reading Gyrlander specifically for this post:

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post673847


He is the only one who acknowledged that SuperJack joining on my train is bananas lol. I don't think a Mafia would point out the logical problems in a day 1 lynch like that.

I mean, I can understand applying that attitude to, I dunno, my push on Mesk, which, looking back, was really overstated - because that's serious drama, and it's beneficial to let that "play out". However, SJ's push was clearly a troll push at worst and a glorified reaction test / random vote at best. Gyr didn't even take a solid stance, as you acknowledged just after, I believe.

I don't think I have to accept anything, to be honest. As you said earlier in this post: "one of the ways I try to add filler to my posts". That means you have more than one way, so I could see "pointing out random shit without any reasoning and not able to explain myself" as another filler that you throw in your posts. Even if you have a gut feeling about a post, you should be able to explain your post.

I meant you have to accept that I can't put it into words, not that I'm flawless town and my word is gospel. The point of a gut read is you can't explain it logically. If you could, it wouldn't be a gut read LOL. In regards to the daisy chain logic to explain why it's scummy, all I can say is ">.>".

And you're right, I'm sorry; I misread the post about tunneling. I thought it said you ARE going to tunnel him this game. My apologies lol. I wasn't asking if you not to scum read him. I prefer that you do scum read him, specifically because I am not scum reading him. This allows for more thorough reads from multiple players after the d1 flip, to see associations, ect.

Yes, I completely agree! Heil the town! Let's build more associations together. You forgot to respond to my latest Gyr post:

Spoiler : Gyr post :

Gyr tries to softclaim / radiate townyness in general - He tells anecdotes about receiving his town PM, he openly whines about "how boring the night-phase is", exc.. So, in regards to the awareness point, it doesn't take a lot of awareness to execute a strategy you use often. What set this soft apart from when he does it as town was that this time it looked really forced.

As I see it, there are two hypotheses 1: "Gyr was truly unaware the setup was nightkill-less." or 2: "Gyr was aware that the setup was nightkill-less, but unaware that trying to soft not knowing the setup would look forced in this context". 2 looks far more plausible.

In scenario 2 he isn't even necessarily scum. He could be town that thinks admitting 2 is true increases his chances of being mislynched, but 2 still seems more plausible.

Anyway, I was more interested to hear your response to this specifically. It was never my intention to directly discuss it with Gyr, which is why my initial post was addressed to you, not him.

This was the post I actually wanted to hear your thoughts on. Let's build those associations together, pal =D.

PS: When do I ever have chill? I'm a dickhead in all games, especially when people engage me. If SuperJack thinks that I'm going to roll over and let him vote me & put me at L-3 when he's being retarded and not having any argument and has people AGREEING with the lack of argument, then yea I'm going to react. I'm an aggressive player, dealwithit

I wasn't talking about the rudeness really... You just seem very serious. I dunno why.

[Mesk514]

I miss Urinal YZB

[yzb25]

I miss Urinal YZB

Urinal yzb was chewed up and spat back out by this cruel, anti-gamethrowing world. You must accept the new and improved yzb Mesk! A little bit of Calix, a little bit of Darknessb, but far shittier than either!

[yzb25]

Oh yeah

-unvote

@Gyrlander You still haven't responded to this:

Mesk: You suggest Mesk will be easier to solve in the future. Do you mind sharing how you plan to sort Mesk?

Orpz: FYI, Orpz posted that stuff about you before me.

Iced: Do you think Iced defending Mesk is AI? I don't think he "hard townreads" her, honestly.

Whad: Other than the readwall, do you have any other negatives on Whad? The "confident and relaxed tone" and the "subtantiated arguments" are strong reasons to townread Whad. I personally didn't find Whad's readwall offensive for page 8.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Seriously. You are really over dramatising and getting far to emotional for what a rational Townie would.
It looks to me your a scum who is getting upset for being voted for the wrong reasons.

I disagree. You did something stupid. It's not unreasonable for anyone to get cynical over your vote given how ridiculous it was.

Your continued efforts to references the reactions to it are coming across as bait as well, however I don't agree that anything you get from crypt can be justified as AI, since you're only reinforcing the ridiculousness of the scenario.

I think its time to move onto focusing on something else about him. Then perhaps you could both be productive.

[Iced_Monopoly]

All I have to say is, I'm a citizen and I am easy to sort!

No. You said at half way you would start contributing. You have a lot more to say. Start participating.

[Cryptonic]

I'm confused. You literally said you are townreading Gyrlander for pointing out logic holes:

Spoiler : The original post :

I mean, I can understand applying that attitude to, I dunno, my push on Mesk, which, looking back, was really overstated - because that's serious drama, and it's beneficial to let that "play out". However, SJ's push was clearly a troll push at worst and a glorified reaction test / random vote at best. Gyr didn't even take a solid stance, as you acknowledged just after, I believe.



I meant you have to accept that I can't put it into words, not that I'm flawless town and my word is gospel. The point of a gut read is you can't explain it logically. If you could, it wouldn't be a gut read LOL. In regards to the daisy chain logic to explain why it's scummy, all I can say is ">.>".



Yes, I completely agree! Heil the town! Let's build more associations together. You forgot to respond to my latest Gyr post:



This was the post I actually wanted to hear your thoughts on. Let's build those associations together, pal =D.



I wasn't talking about the rudeness really... You just seem very serious. I dunno why.

I am reading Gyrlander Town for it. I specifically stated that if he did the same thing d2 or later, I would be agreeing with your assessment on the situation. But, since it's d1, there is no reason he needed to point out SJ's inability to read or formulate a real read, especially since the push wasn't on him. He could've easily just let it slide on d1 and no one would have questioned it. Seeing that he's the only person in this entire game to address the fact that SJ seriously (yes it was serious, he's backed himself up twice afterwards. Just because he says it's a joke now, doesn't mean it is) voted me for copy/pasta for non-Mafia related post, gives me a decent feeling about Gyrlander's slot lol; in fact, Whad joined his train saying she agreed with SJ's reasoning, and still no one questioned it. It's really bizarre that no one is questioning it.
And if SJ wants me to think that it was a joke vote, then he should really be confused about what Whad followed him with it. But, he's not questioning Whad's decision. I find that to be intriguing.

So, to address your point about SJ's push being a troll, I'd like you to consider the following:
1) If SJ was "trolling", why does he defend his push twice in the game.
2) When SJ admits he was "joking", why doesn't he question Whad agreeing with SJ? Wouldn't you find it suspicious if someone legitimately agreed with your troll and thought it was a reasonable assessment?


And no, I understood what you meant, and I still don't have to agree. And I also disagree that you can't put a gut feeling into words. You get a gut feeling, and then you translate that feeling. There is a specific reasoning why stuff gives you gut feelings while you read it. I'm not asking you to explain why you think it's scummy, because you never thought it was scummy. I'm asking what about it gives you a bad feeling. Did you think the logic wasn't there, do you think it was insincere, do you think I was buddying?
And, honestly, you should be TRYING to put your gut feelings into a logical argument. Either that, or keep it to yourself lol. Otherwise, it literally is just filler (like you said you do when you're scum). Unless you're a heavily emotional player (you don't seem to be), then you should be able to put it into words.



In your post that you quoted of yourself, why do you think that 2 is more plausible? I forgot that this game didn't have night actions before it started as well, so I don't think it's as far fetched as you are making it out to be. I also find it strange that you find it more likely that a player was both aware AND unaware, rather than just forgetting about the setup for a second. That doesn't make any sense to me, as it is a much simpler situation to be situation #1. You're making things complex and saying it is more plausible, but that's not how reality works.



And I'm serious because I'm always serious when people are talking to me in regards to game related information. If you want me to be informal and joking around, then ask me questions that don't pertain to the game.

[yzb25]

Just gonna post some thoughts on Whad and Iced thus far:

I actually really liked Iced's interactions with Mesk. When he made this post:

Since I said I would continue to make reads of other players. I will agree with yzb that its frustrating that mesk is not making reads.

In a game with only VTs she should be avtively making reads based on interactions between players, instead shes resigning herself to not committing to anything and joking about instead.

A case could be made that shes uncomfortable or perhaps finding it difficult providing reads when shes scum against a list of only citizens

However, mesk has played scum in this setup before, and if anything would be better equipped to deal with d1 as scum if she rerolled it. It also, as a meta read, vomes across as bored townie who doesnt give a fuck about d1.

If mesk is town, which i believe she is, I would expect her to step up her game, even if she is bored.

It looked like he was making an effort to placate my over-the-top reaction in a way that acknowledged the validity of my points and didn't throw unnecessary shade. His reasons for townreading Mesk make sense, even if I still have her as only a null/town at best.

Iced has also consistently given coherent, reasonable responses to all of Crypt's shots. Though I have some mechanics disagreements with him, his style seems consistent with X Wing.

___________________________________

I also like Whad. Whad's response to Iced has been very composed and consistently looks like someone trying to figure out the intentions of Iced's push rather than just shut them down.

I liked Whad's readwall - it had understandable reasons. I don't necessarily agree with all of his reasoning entirely. But, for example, he seemed to take a natural liking to SJ as he talked to him more, so it makes sense to put him as town.

Also, if Whad is supposed to be the type who easily cracks / starts chatting shit as scum, he doesn't seem to be doing that this game. His reasoning seems sincere.

It's kind of ironic I have 'em as green, given they're pushing eachother lol.

[Cryptonic]

I disagree. You did something stupid. It's not unreasonable for anyone to get cynical over your vote given how ridiculous it was.

Your continued efforts to references the reactions to it are coming across as bait as well, however I don't agree that anything you get from crypt can be justified as AI, since you're only reinforcing the ridiculousness of the scenario.

I think its time to move onto focusing on something else about him. Then perhaps you could both be productive.

Thank you for actually seeing things from my perspective.

He is voting me, and the only point is "you are being reactive". That forces a player into a position of either being a bitch and accepting the train, or arguing the point and playing into the description of "reactive". It's like a self fulfilling prophecy for SJ to use as an argument in either situation.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Im kind of dissapointed by the lack of posts this morning, its usually much busier while I'm asleep.

When i get to a pc, im going to ISO titus. Im not a fan of the free pass they seem to be receiving. I don't have much else to say as of right now.

[Cryptonic]

his style seems consistent with X Wing.

Love dat meta

[Cryptonic]

Also, if Whad is supposed to be the type who easily cracks / starts chatting shit as scum, he doesn't seem to be doing that this game. His reasoning seems sincere.

I'm sorry, can you explain how Whad's reasoning is sincere? lol
Please go back and look at the reads, which is all based on Meta and contains no logic. They also support my train and base it on that they agree with SJ thinking my copy/pasta is scummy because "too much info for d1".

So, I would like to see your explanation on how Whad's reasoning is sincere.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Love dat meta

I dont think ive ever played a game where i havnt been scum to heavily scum read straight out of the gate. Feelsbadman

[Gyrlander]

Mesk: You suggest Mesk will be easier to solve in the future. Do you mind sharing how you plan to sort Mesk?

Orpz: FYI, Orpz posted that stuff about you before me.

Iced: Do you think Iced defending Mesk is AI? I don't think he "hard townreads" her, honestly.

Whad: Other than the readwall, do you have any other negatives on Whad? The "confident and relaxed tone" and the "subtantiated arguments" are strong reasons to townread Whad. I personally didn't find Whad's readwall offensive for page 8.

Mesk: As of now, I don't really have any idea of how I can sort her. That's why I said that "time will make it happen", hoping that something eventually happens.

Orpz: Well... then IDC. Null.

Iced: Hum, I don't know. That's why I didn't comment on it much. Maybe if Mesk is scum Iced would have been trying to help her survive because he saw 3 people suddenly voting her and panicked? And well, he has defended her many times so... that's why I said hard townreading.

Whad: I can say I didn't like his recent comments. Don't know if it is biased or not, though.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Aight, on a PC now.

While im writing my post, @Mesk514 @Mesk514 @Mesk514
You promised us contributions, reads, and non shitposting at the halfway mark. The time is now, get your ass back here and do something.

[Cryptonic]

let's just lynch SJ today. or MZ. no contribution, its a good d1 starting point IMO

[Mesk514]

Aight, on a PC now.

While im writing my post, @Mesk514 @Mesk514 @Mesk514
You promised us contributions, reads, and non shitposting at the halfway mark. The time is now, get your ass back here and do something.

I still have a couple hours dude

[Mesk514]

And I never promised anyone reads. IT'S THE SAME THING EVERY SINGLE GAME!!!!!!! WHILE I'M SOMEWHAT CAPABLE THIS IS DAY 1AS LONG AS WE DON'T NO LYNCH I'M GOID WITH ANYTHING

[Gyrlander]

And I never promised anyone reads. IT'S THE SAME THING EVERY SINGLE GAME!!!!!!! WHILE I'M SOMEWHAT CAPABLE THIS IS DAY 1AS LONG AS WE DON'T NO LYNCH I'M GOID WITH ANYTHING

YOU DIDN'T PROMISE ANYTHING BUT YOU'RE FORCED TO, DAMMIT.

[yzb25]

let's just lynch SJ today. or MZ. no contribution, its a good d1 starting point IMO

No. Unknown has 4 reserves for any excessive inactives. If we train someone for such a dry ass reason the train will give us jackshit for information, and we'll end up as ignorant on day 2 as we were on day 1.

Anyway, apologies for the late responses to your posts. I'm getting tired cuz I'm trying to cram for a test at the same time, but I'll try to respond to every thing and say what I want to say before bed.

[Iced_Monopoly]

I'll heal you with my masonry love. It's ok.
*crosses fingers*

Wrong role. I'm a mason, not an escort.

-vote MattZed

My vodka's getting warm.

Special attention should be drawn to these first three posts from Titus. All three are lighthearted fun and presented as jokes, not to be taken seriously. Their respective post counts are 13, 17, 28. It should be noted that all 3 of these appear AFTER mesk's joke post about Orpz, Crypt, and MZ being the scum team (#11).

I will come back to this in a later quote analysis.

It's my maiden name. I've used it since I was kid around online. It harkens back to Rome I think although I haven't traced it back that far.

I think that was the roman emperor.

A seemingly benign set of posts, irrelevant to the game. Still early enough into the day that they dont detract from meaningful conversation.

-vote Mesk514

A vote on mesk, no justification or reasoning. Not provoked (ie counter RVS).

She takes a vodka drink
She takes a vodka drink

She gets knocked down
She gets up again

Oh yeah I ain't never staying down

Shitposting as far as I can tell, that or a call back to an inside joke shared with MZ (post #2

Is this serious?

A comment on Mesks post (#57) about scum being on her train, and that her initial scum team post should be followed when shes lynched.

Whad (1 [L-5]):
Iced_Monopoly
Iced_Monopoly (1 [L-5]):
yzb25
Mesk514 (3 [L-3]):
Titus, Cryptonic, Orpz
Cryptonic (2 [L-4]):
Gyrlander, SuperJack

Push back on Crypt is interesting. If Mesk is scum, Gyr or SJ is a good candidate for a partner.

First useful post of the game, makes note of players voting crypt when there is a train on Mesk. However both these votes on Crypt stemmed from the same wiki copypaste post that he made. Both had no justification on them, and would be unsupportable by anyone who wasnt wanting to join in on the joke. Reads as a weak attempt to make the mesk train seem more reasonable, despite their being no grounds for a legitimate counter train on cryptonic.

WHy are you supposing Matt will vote Mesk?

This was in reply to yzb asking everyone if we would lynch mesk's scum pool if she flips inno (#8. It should be obvious that YZB supposes matt will vote mesk, because of the running theme that all of mesks scum picks are on her train, an acceptable read based on the running joke.

You are really scattershot.

No particular comments here.

Speed of a wagon is NAI, especially on day 1. Forever long days can be toxic to town.

No particular comments here.

What is it you're saying here about me?

Miscommunication here, thinking yzb's reply was directed at her, where as it was directed at me.

Very rarely a town player would be, if they found partner theory they lacled evidence for. That does not seem like Mesk though.

Appears to be a reply to the last sentence in the above post (#135) made by whad, regarding the caution players need to take when posting thoughts. Continues to bring all conversation back towards Mesk.

Which post? I missed it.

No particular comments here, reasonably easy mistake to make. If I absolutely had to push it and make a case for it, I would question how titus could miss my plan, which was discussed with Titus for the better part of an hour, but still be reading mesk so often.

You called a scumteam so you don't have a reason to be shy.

My name is Titus. I take everything seriously.

What are your "serious" reads?

And these last two posts are where we come full circle.
Mesk calls her 'scum team' as a joke in the very opening posts of the game. It is apparent to all that these are jokes and should be accepted as such. Titus herself makes 3 consecutive joke posts at the same time as mesks posts (despite claiming to 'take everything seriously'). She then builds her case/tunnels mesk for the rest of the game based on a joke she made, despite making jokes herself.


In all, Titus feels very focused on mesk, with little to no legitimate case on her. She pushes on nothing, and even attempts to support her case by references pushes on others (which are also baseless jokes). The only thing titus has done that I like is to pressure mesk to contribute more; An unjustified vote early in the game, continual baseless arguements, and a lack of looking into other players however is ridiculous given we've elapsed half of D1. Anyone giving titus a free pass or town read for this lazy, and scummy behaviour is also going in my notes. Its as bad as superjacks case on crypt.

I know that gyr will come back with his 'hard defending mesk' comments about me. My position however is simple. Mesk needs to contribute. She is being scumread for joking around. The time for jokes has now passed, and she has promised to post, so she better fucking post. Players like SJ and Titus, who are forming baseless arguements need to be looked at first.

[Iced_Monopoly]

And I never promised anyone reads. IT'S THE SAME THING EVERY SINGLE GAME!!!!!!! WHILE I'M SOMEWHAT CAPABLE THIS IS DAY 1AS LONG AS WE DON'T NO LYNCH I'M GOID WITH ANYTHING

I still have a couple hours dude

You should know me by now Titus, I don't have anything serious to day til half way through day 1.

It is halfway through D1, you do not have hours 'dude'. In fact, we are half an hour past the halfway mark. There is more than enough content for you to start being 'serious'.

[Iced_Monopoly]

No. Unknown has 4 reserves for any excessive inactives. If we train someone for such a dry ass reason the train will give us jackshit for information, and we'll end up as ignorant on day 2 as we were on day 1.

Anyway, apologies for the late responses to your posts. I'm getting tired cuz I'm trying to cram for a test at the same time, but I'll try to respond to every thing and say what I want to say before bed.

Agreed, lynching a null/inactive is useless to us today.

[Cryptonic]

No. Unknown has 4 reserves for any excessive inactives. If we train someone for such a dry ass reason the train will give us jackshit for information, and we'll end up as ignorant on day 2 as we were on day 1.

Anyway, apologies for the late responses to your posts. I'm getting tired cuz I'm trying to cram for a test at the same time, but I'll try to respond to every thing and say what I want to say before bed.

no contribution does not equal inactive.....?
Why do you think lynching SJ would give jackshit for information, he has had several interactions with several people. If you think that would make us just as ignorant, then you are blind.

[Gyrlander]

-unvote

Two words.

[Cryptonic]

I also don't understand how SJ can post on the forums but not post in the game (when a discussion is going on in regards to him).

[SuperJack]

I also don't understand how SJ can post on the forums but not post in the game (when a discussion is going on in regards to him).

=)

[Iced_Monopoly]

no contribution does not equal inactive.....?
Why do you think lynching SJ would give jackshit for information, he has had several interactions with several people. If you think that would make us just as ignorant, then you are blind.

Il reply to this since I was in agreement with YZB. I think the 'jackshit' comment was more directed towards your MZ suggestion, as he actually hasnt done anything. Lynching SJ would reveal some information, but very little. I encourage you to ISO SJ, with what hes posted, is there anything outstandingly useful that would give us an edge in D2? I echo YZBs thoughts that a lynch on either would essentially leave us in another D1 type game come D2.

[Iced_Monopoly]

At this point, im scum reading almost everyone in the game.

The only people im Town reading are YZB, for having very similar thought processes to my own, and Crypt, for being reasonably close to my thoughts, and for being targeted for absurd reasoning.

Whad has been responding reasonably well to my posts against him, although his recent reads list attracted a reasonable amount of criticism from player I T read. Willing to lump him in the null basket as of now.

MZ doesnt even exist.

Mesk, Gyr, Orpz, and SJ are all shitposting or just avoiding contributing at all, and are coming across as pretty scummy. Orpz and SJ I expect more from than the other two, which is more troubling than anything that theyre not contributing meaningfully.

Titus is my biggest scum read (see my ISO), so im moving my vote here.

-vote Titus

[Gyrlander]

=)

Your continous =) posts are annoying... but cute. I feel like living a contradiction. Now, tell us. Who would you lynch and who would you offer your life for in order to save him?

[Gyrlander]

At this point, im scum reading almost everyone in the game.

The only people im Town reading are YZB, for having very similar thought processes to my own, and Crypt, for being reasonably close to my thoughts, and for being targeted for absurd reasoning.

Whad has been responding reasonably well to my posts against him, although his recent reads list attracted a reasonable amount of criticism from player I T read. Willing to lump him in the null basket as of now.

MZ doesnt even exist.

Mesk, Gyr, Orpz, and SJ are all shitposting or just avoiding contributing at all, and are coming across as pretty scummy. Orpz and SJ I expect more from than the other two, which is more troubling than anything that theyre not contributing meaningfully.

Titus is my biggest scum read (see my ISO), so im moving my vote here.

-vote Titus

The fact that I've tried making good posts and explaining my thoughts / yzb's issue and yet you say this makes me want to become a Disguiser, kill trump, and nuke your fucking country.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Also, where the fuck is everyone at. Nothing happened in the usual peak hours of this site. This time yesterday we got 8 pages of content, it is now a sunday for most of you, we should be easily able to get another 8 pages MINIMUM. (I dont have 50ppp on). The absences in this game are ridiculous.

@Mesk514
@Titus
@MattZed
@Orpz

Lets go.

[Gyrlander]

At this point, im scum reading almost everyone in the game.

The only people im Town reading are YZB, for having very similar thought processes to my own, and Crypt, for being reasonably close to my thoughts, and for being targeted for absurd reasoning.

Whad has been responding reasonably well to my posts against him, although his recent reads list attracted a reasonable amount of criticism from player I T read. Willing to lump him in the null basket as of now.

MZ doesnt even exist.

Mesk, Gyr, Orpz, and SJ are all shitposting or just avoiding contributing at all, and are coming across as pretty scummy. Orpz and SJ I expect more from than the other two, which is more troubling than anything that theyre not contributing meaningfully.

Titus is my biggest scum read (see my ISO), so im moving my vote here.

-vote Titus

"My town reads are these guys that have the same thoughts as me, if you don't agree with me, well, prepare your booty!"

[Iced_Monopoly]

The fact that I've tried making good posts and explaining my thoughts / yzb's issue and yet you say this makes me want to become a Disguiser, kill trump, and nuke your fucking country.

Oooo wow, such contribution!

You spent 50% of your posts doing nothing but shitposting. The posts that arent shitposting are nothing but fencesitting "OOOO I REALLY WANNA VOTE YOU BUT I DONT", or theyre just spent defending yourself. defending yourself from the god damn start post you made, not even anything recent. Where the fuck is the scum hunting, or actively trying to read players outside of the group that are approaching you or reading you. stop being so damn reactive and start contributing on your own terms;

[Gyrlander]

Oooo wow, such contribution!

You spent 50% of your posts doing nothing but shitposting. The posts that arent shitposting are nothing but fencesitting "OOOO I REALLY WANNA VOTE YOU BUT I DONT", or theyre just spent defending yourself. defending yourself from the god damn start post you made, not even anything recent. Where the fuck is the scum hunting, or actively trying to read players outside of the group that are approaching you or reading you. stop being so damn reactive and start contributing on your own terms;

I prefer town reading people and then vote the ones that aren't in my personal town block.

[Iced_Monopoly]

"My town reads are these guys that have the same thoughts as me, if you don't agree with me, well, prepare your booty!"

Atleast theyre making posts, reads, and analysing the game independently of being asked to do it. If anything, being in my town basket for having similar thoughts is a worse position to be in. Because if they start deviating from their logic, then it will be obvious they have a motive, which would be a pretty big scum tell.

[Orpz]

Also, where the fuck is everyone at. Nothing happened in the usual peak hours of this site. This time yesterday we got 8 pages of content, it is now a sunday for most of you, we should be easily able to get another 8 pages MINIMUM. (I dont have 50ppp on). The absences in this game are ridiculous.

@Mesk514
@Titus
@MattZed
@Orpz

Lets go.

Sundays are my busiest days tbqh. Not gonna be home til 1AM, but I will be on from time to time. Spending my few free hours reading since posting takes too much time rn.

Mesk has made a lot of posts though, and I'm surprised you tagged her but left out Whad.

[Iced_Monopoly]

@Gyrlander I apologise for my previous outburst, im just dissapointed in the state of the game at the moment.

Im not going to ask you to reply to something specific like everyone else is. I want you to come up with something independent and original. Focus on any person, or any interaction between two people that hasnt already been covered by someone else. Report on it, give us your interpretation, your reads on the player(s), whatever the fuck you like. Prove that youre not just a reactive lurker, do something proactive.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Sundays are my busiest days tbqh. Not gonna be home til 1AM, but I will be on from time to time. Spending my few free hours reading since posting takes too much time rn.

Mesk has made a lot of posts though, and I'm surprised you tagged her but left out Whad.

Pls go re-read mesks posts, there is little to no content in them. She might as well just be posting song lyrics at this stage, would probably be more beneficial.

[Iced_Monopoly]

pedit, i said two people in my previous post, but i dont care how many people you focus on, hell you can go for a grand overarching theory for all I care, just make it original

[Iced_Monopoly]

I want everyones thoughts on Titus' case against mesk, and her other interactions as well, especially from those that were previously reading her town.