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    Mentor Discussion for Starter Game + SignUp Mentors

    Ok. This is the next step for the starter game and the topic is MENTORS

    That is the main part of the discussion as these rules will still be in place:

    1. Mentors will not have and additional information about the game
    2. Mentors will not discuss with other players and has the same restrictions of OGC as the players
    3. Mentors are Optional.
    4. Mentors are Veteran players of Forum mafia

    I want your Opinion on what a Mentor should do for their Mentoree. How much mentoring should be done? How much discusion should be place? Should it be the player to ask for help, or the Mentor to just give it.




    I personally think that the Mentor should be the judge of how much help they give the player. But the Mentor should make sure that the player understands:

    1) How to vote and how the vote counter works.
    2) Knows how the setup works.
    3) Understands the Mechanic.
    4) Understand typical FM play.
    5) Understands the rules.

    But on top of that, the Mentor should aim to create conversation with the Player, and try to get to know them better, bring them Into the community
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    IMO mentors main focus should be guiding the player on how to further discussion. Rather than have players get defensive from opening votes, teach them how to ask the right questions to get out of the shitposting stage. Honestly they can probably learn the rest from there, and just use the mentor for simple things like how to vote and such.

    Things not to do:

    1)***** with your new player and not tell them how to vote, leaving them to fake vote in red text. (SUPERJACK)

    edit: LOL this site actually senors h-y-d-r-a now.

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    Archon is superior.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

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    What has the world become when these things called "humans" call Archons Hydras.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

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    1) if this is where I sign to be mentor /sign
    & please give me a nice innocent noob, I like them vunerable and impressionable
    2) @Unknown1234 , what has this world come to where someone like you actually has an input on something?
    Last edited by Mesk514; June 10th, 2016 at 09:56 AM.
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    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

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    I've actually been a mentor in a game before and been a mentee twice.

    What you DON'T want to do as a mentor is say "this person is Scum" or "this person is Town." What I believe a mentor should be is someone who helps guide the mentee into the type of meta that comes natural to the player. Everyone plays differently, and as such, what I believe a mentor is there for is to give OPTIONS and lead them into understanding. When I was a mentor the very first thing I did was give them a shit ton to read about strategy. Looking back on this now I prolly could have done this way more efficiently, but I wanted to make sure they knew the basics. I don't however know how valid my experience as a mentor was considering this is a completely different site with a completely different site meta in how players generally go about making the "correct" (I use that term somewhat loosely) plays. Along with this I think a good mentor is someone who can see things from multiple angles and have the ability to articulate themselves in a manner that is easy to understand without either getting too deep too quick or explaining things that are above or below the mentees ability. I believe I actually make a better mentor than player because i am not caught up in the moment and can think with a clear and calm head.

    As far as discussion goes, this is going to very from pair to pair. Some mentees will not need to have their hand held through the whole process while others will want much more feedback. I believe it is primarily up to the mentor to decide what is appropriate in this regard. The mentor must first realize that they are doing this as a service to the mafia community first and foremost.

    I think one of the best tools that I would use to mentor someone would be to phrase things such as "what about this?" and then seeing how much the mentee knows from there. Though there is time for correction to the mentee, the mentee must understand why that particular play is not a good option. Granted, no player is going to get everything 100% correct.

    Finally, and probably most importantly, the mentee should come out of the game feeling like they were the one who was playing and not just a vehicle of the mentor to do what the mentor wants.

    On a final note I think there are different levels of knowing how to vote, what the mechanics are and the like and I think it only appropriate for for those who are moderators and have extensive experience with the game to choose who the mentors are.
    Mafia Record:
    Spoiler : On Site/Universal Total :
    ..Total: 5/9 = 55.6% | 61/104 = 58.3%..
    ...Town: 3/5 = 60% | 42/76 = 55.3%...
    ....Mafia: 0/2 = 0% | 14/23 = 60.9%....
    .....3P: 1/1 = 100% | 3P: 3/5 = 60%.....
    My advice on Mafia play:
    Get the Led Out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1) if this is where I sign to be mentor /sign
    & please give me a nice innocent noob, I like them vunerable and impressionable
    2) @Unknown1234 , what has this world come to when someone like you actually has an input on something?
    I don't have a input, whenever I say Archon is better I lose rep
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Calling "pupils" by the word "mentee" should be a bannable offense.
    Mentee, pupil, apprentice, what's the difference anyways?
    Mafia Record:
    Spoiler : On Site/Universal Total :
    ..Total: 5/9 = 55.6% | 61/104 = 58.3%..
    ...Town: 3/5 = 60% | 42/76 = 55.3%...
    ....Mafia: 0/2 = 0% | 14/23 = 60.9%....
    .....3P: 1/1 = 100% | 3P: 3/5 = 60%.....
    My advice on Mafia play:
    Get the Led Out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archon View Post
    Archon is better. End of discussion.
    This x1000000000000000....
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    One sounds stupid, one sounds right, and one doesn't really apply as Mafia is a game, not a trade.
    Well that turned serious awfully quickly.
    Mafia Record:
    Spoiler : On Site/Universal Total :
    ..Total: 5/9 = 55.6% | 61/104 = 58.3%..
    ...Town: 3/5 = 60% | 42/76 = 55.3%...
    ....Mafia: 0/2 = 0% | 14/23 = 60.9%....
    .....3P: 1/1 = 100% | 3P: 3/5 = 60%.....
    My advice on Mafia play:
    Get the Led Out

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    One sounds stupid, one sounds right, and one doesn't really apply as Mafia is a game, not a trade.
    I don't care what you call me Banana, as long as you love me forever <3
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Make a stupid comment, prepare yourself to be refuted
    Difference was I was being funny.
    Mafia Record:
    Spoiler : On Site/Universal Total :
    ..Total: 5/9 = 55.6% | 61/104 = 58.3%..
    ...Town: 3/5 = 60% | 42/76 = 55.3%...
    ....Mafia: 0/2 = 0% | 14/23 = 60.9%....
    .....3P: 1/1 = 100% | 3P: 3/5 = 60%.....
    My advice on Mafia play:
    Get the Led Out

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    You probably should give up on your dream of going into comedy
    You assume too much.
    Mafia Record:
    Spoiler : On Site/Universal Total :
    ..Total: 5/9 = 55.6% | 61/104 = 58.3%..
    ...Town: 3/5 = 60% | 42/76 = 55.3%...
    ....Mafia: 0/2 = 0% | 14/23 = 60.9%....
    .....3P: 1/1 = 100% | 3P: 3/5 = 60%.....
    My advice on Mafia play:
    Get the Led Out

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    I assume neither too much nor too little. I assume exactly the right amount.
    Um. Apprentice works in his context. Dictionary: 3. (Under noun) a learner ; novice ; tyro.

    Pupil: a person learning under close supervision of a teacher at school, or a private tutor or the like ; student.

    Mentee: a person who is guided by a mentor.

    Yes apprentice is mostly connected to skilled labor force. However all three of these refer to a 1 on 1 interaction/training/teaching and thus it is not "stupid" to relate them to one another.
    Last edited by PowersThatBe; June 11th, 2016 at 02:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PowersThatBe View Post
    Um. Apprentice works in his context. Dictionary: 3. (Under noun) a learner ; novice ; tyro.

    Pupil: a person learning under close supervision of a teacher at school, or a private tutor or the like ; student.

    Mentee: a person who is guided by a mentor.

    Yes apprentice is mostly connected to skilled labor force. However all three of these refer to a 1 on 1 interaction/training/teaching and thus it is not "stupid" to relate them to one another.
    I was tryana work the nerdy SW angle, but my subtlety was missed.
    Mafia Record:
    Spoiler : On Site/Universal Total :
    ..Total: 5/9 = 55.6% | 61/104 = 58.3%..
    ...Town: 3/5 = 60% | 42/76 = 55.3%...
    ....Mafia: 0/2 = 0% | 14/23 = 60.9%....
    .....3P: 1/1 = 100% | 3P: 3/5 = 60%.....
    My advice on Mafia play:
    Get the Led Out

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    Well I'm looking for more confirmed mentors. And more mentor discussion. Otherwise we may end up with the same stance as last time.
    Mentors need access to some form of Private IM. Ect Skype and to be well worn in FM.
    I can still consider lesser worn mentors. ^-^

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkestLight View Post
    Ye, I'm back to bring some random kid to victory again.
    Oh give me a break..
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

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    Do I count as a newb and as such can play in the game? Reason I ask is I can always use pointers on my play.
    Mafia Record:
    Spoiler : On Site/Universal Total :
    ..Total: 5/9 = 55.6% | 61/104 = 58.3%..
    ...Town: 3/5 = 60% | 42/76 = 55.3%...
    ....Mafia: 0/2 = 0% | 14/23 = 60.9%....
    .....3P: 1/1 = 100% | 3P: 3/5 = 60%.....
    My advice on Mafia play:
    Get the Led Out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    Haven't you played on ~9 different sites before this one?
    yes. but I think I have less than 40 games played, so they are pretty spread out.
    Mafia Record:
    Spoiler : On Site/Universal Total :
    ..Total: 5/9 = 55.6% | 61/104 = 58.3%..
    ...Town: 3/5 = 60% | 42/76 = 55.3%...
    ....Mafia: 0/2 = 0% | 14/23 = 60.9%....
    .....3P: 1/1 = 100% | 3P: 3/5 = 60%.....
    My advice on Mafia play:
    Get the Led Out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    yes. but I think I have less than 40 games played, so they are pretty spread out.
    That's a similar number to me.

    You're asking to play with people who have either NO FM experience, or very little. I feel like you'd be overqualified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    That's a similar number to me.

    You're asking to play with people who have either NO FM experience, or very little. I feel like you'd be overqualified.
    Can I argue that my experience does not reflect my ability and that I am new to this site?
    Mafia Record:
    Spoiler : On Site/Universal Total :
    ..Total: 5/9 = 55.6% | 61/104 = 58.3%..
    ...Town: 3/5 = 60% | 42/76 = 55.3%...
    ....Mafia: 0/2 = 0% | 14/23 = 60.9%....
    .....3P: 1/1 = 100% | 3P: 3/5 = 60%.....
    My advice on Mafia play:
    Get the Led Out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    Can I argue that my experience does not reflect my ability and that I am new to this site?
    You would learn more from players who are more accustomed to site meta/ FM play in general.

    You have had more exposure to mafia strategies than these players have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    You would learn more from players who are more accustomed to site meta/ FM play in general.

    You have had more exposure to mafia strategies than these players have.
    meh. Just throwing out a line. Didn't actually expect to be able to play. It was more so that I wanted a mentor to learn from than anything.
    Mafia Record:
    Spoiler : On Site/Universal Total :
    ..Total: 5/9 = 55.6% | 61/104 = 58.3%..
    ...Town: 3/5 = 60% | 42/76 = 55.3%...
    ....Mafia: 0/2 = 0% | 14/23 = 60.9%....
    .....3P: 1/1 = 100% | 3P: 3/5 = 60%.....
    My advice on Mafia play:
    Get the Led Out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    meh. Just throwing out a line. Didn't actually expect to be able to play. It was more so that I wanted a mentor to learn from than anything.
    If it helps, I am half-way finished with that response to your PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    If it helps, I am half-way finished with that response to your PM.
    Thanks, look forward to reading it.
    Mafia Record:
    Spoiler : On Site/Universal Total :
    ..Total: 5/9 = 55.6% | 61/104 = 58.3%..
    ...Town: 3/5 = 60% | 42/76 = 55.3%...
    ....Mafia: 0/2 = 0% | 14/23 = 60.9%....
    .....3P: 1/1 = 100% | 3P: 3/5 = 60%.....
    My advice on Mafia play:
    Get the Led Out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    meh. Just throwing out a line. Didn't actually expect to be able to play. It was more so that I wanted a mentor to learn from than anything.
    I'm sure people are willing to help mentor you. You can have mentors in other games.
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    The intent of the Beginner's Game is for brand new people or people with very little experience. I don't know if SuperJack has an exact cut off, but if he does, I'd have to image it's something like 2-3 games max. 40 games makes you quite experienced. While it's great you want to improve, it would not be fair whatsoever to put you in a game with people who are learning to scumhunt, etc. for the first time.

    I think many players around here would be happy to talk to you about what we're observed in your play and what we think could use some improvement. Seems like something for PMs, a Forum Mafia Parking post, future multiplayer games, etc., but not a Beginner's Game, where the intent is to involve brand new or nearly brand new players in an environment free of veteran sharks who can push them around disproportionately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    I'm sure people are willing to help mentor you. You can have mentors in other games.
    You can? I'd make sure to discuss that with the host in question. Typically you are not allowed to have someone else heavily advising you on strategy in game -- that would be OGC unless otherwise allowed by the game rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    Allow me to go out on a limb here and offer to h-y-d-r-a with Quick in a future game.
    Would be amazing. Looking forward to it.

    I guess that's all there is to say about that.
    Mafia Record:
    Spoiler : On Site/Universal Total :
    ..Total: 5/9 = 55.6% | 61/104 = 58.3%..
    ...Town: 3/5 = 60% | 42/76 = 55.3%...
    ....Mafia: 0/2 = 0% | 14/23 = 60.9%....
    .....3P: 1/1 = 100% | 3P: 3/5 = 60%.....
    My advice on Mafia play:
    Get the Led Out

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarknessB View Post
    You can? I'd make sure to discuss that with the host in question. Typically you are not allowed to have someone else heavily advising you on strategy in game -- that would be OGC unless otherwise allowed by the game rules.
    It's against the rules to discuss the game with someone not involved in the game at all?

    As long as they stick to the same rules I places here (mentors are treated like the player with terns of ogi/ogc) I see no issue.

    No idea why you had to react so strongly
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    It's against the rules to discuss the game with someone not involved in the game at all?

    As long as they stick to the same rules I places here (mentors are treated like the player with terns of ogi/ogc) I see no issue.

    No idea why you had to react so strongly
    I think most hosts would heavily frown upon someone having an advisor / mentor who is heavily influencing their play in a game unless that opportunity is explicitly extended to all players pre-game. It would not be fair to the other players. One thing if you want to have a casual chat with someone, but another entirely if they are acting as a game mentor to help you. Flagging this for @Orpz as well to get his take, but I'd think this would be problematic unless explicitly allowed by the host.
    Last edited by DarknessB; June 12th, 2016 at 08:52 AM.

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    Wouch. Sure w/e. Obviously if someone wanted a mentor they would ask the host if it's OK. I didn't think that needed saying.

    Sorry quick. Unfortunately we must complicate things further before we can help you. Just wait until we make some formal rules in replacement over common sense.
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