S-FM The Thing

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Do you want to ask me anything MM. I'm sleepy and willing to fullfil all your desires.

Well... A list of reads, actually. It's the only thing you didn't really talk about/share with us. @Gyrlander

also you must not say that here, or efe will make you jump on one leg during a week

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Mhmm... I never really look at the OoO, I probably should lol. This is a fucking mess, actions make no sense now XD

I think 3 and 3.5 are not at the same time, because mag put "/"s for actions that go at the same time.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

ok so im to confirm u at EoD today then?

@anyone have a better target, or think this idea is dumb? lol

I think it's stupid to suicide when you can be an unconverteable vigilante....

[Marshmallow Marshall]

ok so im to confirm u at EoD today then?

@anyone have a better target, or think this idea is dumb? lol

It's good to narrow SUSPECTS in cult saves, but not narrowing the top town reads...

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I neglected to add this to the setup thread, but... there's a soft cap of 3 living things, and a hard cap of 4 conversions (O.T. conversions or otherwise).

A "soft cap"? What does that mean? @Magoroth

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Correct

Oh forgot my last post. But then... the convert twice in a night ability is bs, it could be EVERYONE LOOOOOSES and it wouldn't change shit since there can't be 2 + 2 things...

[Marshmallow Marshall]

okay i got my energy drink and im ready to play. Hybrid, first of all, you completly ducked my question. and ill repeat it since i know it was a few pages ago and you probably forgot. my question was, are you willing to risk everything to prove that you arent the Thing? Its a simple question. you can answer it, or you can continue to duck me. either way you look suspicious if you dont answer my question.

It's just because it's stupid, Rachyl. It's not as if you could see the person's reaction IRL. It's just a bullshit way to get reads. Might work on new players, but hell it might not even work on them. And 100% sure it won't on experienced players. Hybrid is a cynical guy. So, I don't think coming with a bullshit way to read him will make him answer. Don't scumread him for this: I understand his reasons.

Other option: say im scum with hybrid and that im defending him =)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Now we have multiple TPR claims in the open, and need to protect them somehow...lol

What did I say against TPR claims though, since the beginning... @blinkskater I really want that role though.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

trapper *cought* xD

Yeah... I really hated that death lol

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Just read the pages of questions to the host about the setup lol. Quite interesting indeed ^^ I guess I'll go play since y'all are off.

[Ganelon]

@Magoroth


Order of Operations:
0.1 Thing Night Chat, Addict Night Chat
0.2 The Original Thing goes into hiding
1. Bartender roleblocks someone
2. Biologist frames or inoculates someone
3. Loner Attack
3.5. Station Commander Attack
4. Thing/Original Thing Attack.
5. Poisoner gives poison
6. Guard protects someone
7. Doctor investigates someone
8. Drug Dealer converts someone
9. Warden alert
10. Tracker visits (sees all night actions, including those further down the list)
11. Coroner Autopsy
12. Radio Operator sees night chat
13. Drunkard blackmails
14. Snitch reads last will
15. Poisoner Poison acts (if not healed)
16. Drug Addicts/Drug Dealers are informed of fellow Addict's/Drug Dealer's conversion (if applicable)

ok so the OoO are somewhat off..... Bodyguard protects BEFORE thing conversion happens. In this result the thing would convert beforehand.

Also, You have the conversion BEFORE the investigation - so the doctor would see if someone was converted that night correct?

That's a typo. Doctor checks before the Original Thing/Things attack; Bodyguard protects before that, as well.

[Ganelon]

@Magoroth oops forgot to move poison down since I dont think you will be sending out the notifications to the guy who got poisoned =P (example: tracker gets poisoned, you wouldent send him his results and then send him a message saying he died...)

0.1 Thing Night Chat, Addict Night Chat
0.2 The Original Thing goes into hiding
1. Bartender roleblocks someone
2. Biologist frames or inoculates someone
3. Bodyguard / Doctor protects
4. Survivalist Attack // Station commander attack // Poisoner Poison acts (if not healed)
5. Thing/Original Thing conversion.
6. Poisoner gives poison
7. Doctor investigates someone
8. Drug Dealer converts someone
9. Warden alert
10. Coroner Autopsy
11. Radio Operator sees night chat
12. Drunkard blackmails
13. Snitch reads last will
14. Tracker visits
15. Drug Addicts/Drug Dealers are informed of fellow Addict's/Drug Dealer's conversion (if applicable)

This is correct

[Distorted]

That's a typo. Doctor checks before the Original Thing/Things attack; Bodyguard protects before that, as well.

so the doctor PROTECTS before thing, but CHECKS after thing so we can detect a thing converted that night.

[Ganelon]

so the doctor PROTECTS before thing, but CHECKS after thing so we can detect a thing converted that night.

It's meant to be as in the mod - you are attacked but the Doctor heals you afterwards. The doctor is a sheriff in this game - he only protects against poison.

[Dutes]

Yeah that post is totally irrevelent, huh... nothing to say about it... YOU KIDDING ME???? @Dutes i want your thoughts on it. And your list of reads. YOU ARE SUSPPPPPP

I read everyone as town except for #2 and Hybrid.

#2 just randomly accuses people and leaves. Hybrid claimed tracker yesterday now switches to citizen. Makes me think he is converted.

[Dutes]

dutes last game was more aggressive, talked more, and asked more questions. this game he is kinda popping in then leaving when the heats off him. If it were to turn night right now he would be the target.

I have more posts now than i had last game......

The question i asked where mostly about game machenics.

[Dutes]

I voted Dutes cause he seems quite hey here I am hey BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and seems like a shady person... I wouldn't be surprised if it were him. I mean, how was he the other game he played? I guess we can use some meta.

Wel there where like no posts when i was awake. So there was not alot to respond to.

[Dutes]

Also No_Bugz is in this game right?

[Dutes]

I call meta from the mod too: his play really impressed me on the mod. I had some good games with him. I really get a scummy vibe from him atm. So this plan got my approval. Actually, it got it so much that...

-vote dutes

FM mafia is different. In the mod there are usally alot of neewbies. In this game i am the neewbie.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I read everyone as town except for #2 and Hybrid.

#2 just randomly accuses people and leaves. Hybrid claimed tracker yesterday now switches to citizen. Makes me think he is converted.

I agree on #2, his play is rather simple and scummy. But on Hybrid, you're wrong. You obviously did not read the thread integrally. There was actually a town plan behind that, even if it was shitty... and his wallpost made me rather sure he was town. People lie about their roles on FM.

I have more posts now than i had last game......

The question i asked where mostly about game machenics.

Yes, but it was the CONTENT of your posts.

Wel there where like no posts when i was awake. So there was not alot to respond to.

There are always tons of things to say. You are often on the thread... just not saying anything... Participate in our discussions live! We NEED you!

Also No_Bugz is in this game right?

Yes, @Noz_Bugz is in. Noz what are you doing lol

FM mafia is different. In the mod there are usally alot of neewbies. In this game i am the neewbie.

Yeah. You're a newbie for sure, since you're saying "FM mafia", when FM = Forum Mafia... lol. But just saying, Lenneth is at his 2nd game and he's better than some experienced players already ^^ being new is not a reason to do filler posts and not share your thoughts.

Also, when I say "your reads" I mean a list of reads. Which is what I must do, didn't do it since a long time. I'll mention you when I'll do it so you know what it should look like, because you just threw two guys there and didn't say why you townread everyone else. Btw don't take this as an insult or anything: I just want this game to move, and even if it can be surprising for a game that lasts days and days, time is a big limit... but before doing that list, I really gotta sleep lol it's nearly 8:30 so good morning guys, have fun =)

[blinkskater]

Morning fellas interesting ordeal with all of the OoO being screwed up that changes my mind on something if I wind up dead read it in my LW

[Numbertwo]

I read everyone as town except for #2 and Hybrid.

#2 just randomly accuses people and leaves. Hybrid

It's not random. I accused gyrlander, blink and scv day 1 becouse they refused to make disorted into the commander and instead forced us to be without a commander.

and im accusing you becouse it looks like you are just pretending to contribute with your filler posts.

What are your current reads?

[Numbertwo]

It's not random. I accused gyrlander, blink and scv day 1 becouse they refused to make disorted into the commander and instead forced us to be without a commander.

and im accusing you becouse it looks like you are just pretending to contribute with your filler posts.

What are your current reads?

more specific reads other then everyone except me and hybrid are scums.

[Dutes]

Hybrid - Scummy Claimed tracker then switched to citizen the next day. Claims it was a town move, but i am not sure.|

Lenneth Towny Came up with his list yesterday seems protown overall.

Distorted Towny Claimed citi and everyone who played with Distorted before seems to think he is protown so i will sheep with that.|

Gyrlander Towny She got pissed at my shitposts yesterday, i don't think an evil role would get so pissed at a shitpost.

Blinkskater Towny Played alot like last game when he was town.

MM Towny She got pissed at my shitposts yesterday, i don't think an evil role would get so pissed at a shitpost, very active and played alot liek last game (bad) when he was town.

Tauntshaman Neutral Can't get a read on Tauntshaman, but he wanted to be sc, +town points.

SCV Towny Claimed bg, an easily detectable role if he was evil.

#2 Scummy Scum paints people then disappears.

Rachyl Towny Acts pretty neutral, but i don't get evil vibes from her.

No_Bugz Neutral Can't get a read on him.

[Numbertwo]

Hybrid - Scummy Claimed tracker then switched to citizen the next day. Claims it was a town move, but i am not sure.|

Lenneth Towny Came up with his list yesterday seems protown overall.

Distorted Towny Claimed citi and everyone who played with Distorted before seems to think he is protown so i will sheep with that.|

Gyrlander Towny She got pissed at my shitposts yesterday, i don't think an evil role would get so pissed at a shitpost.

Blinkskater Towny Played alot like last game when he was town.

MM Towny She got pissed at my shitposts yesterday, i don't think an evil role would get so pissed at a shitpost, very active and played alot liek last game (bad) when he was town.

Tauntshaman Neutral Can't get a read on Tauntshaman, but he wanted to be sc, +town points.

SCV Towny Claimed bg, an easily detectable role if he was evil.

#2 Scummy Scum paints people then disappears.

Rachyl Towny Acts pretty neutral, but i don't get evil vibes from her.

No_Bugz Neutral Can't get a read on him.

you think MM and gyrlander are town for pointing out your shitposts and you think im scum for also pointing out your shitposts. why is that?

[Lenneth]

Hybrid - Scummy Claimed tracker then switched to citizen the next day. Claims it was a town move, but i am not sure.|

Lenneth Towny Came up with his list yesterday seems protown overall.

Distorted Towny Claimed citi and everyone who played with Distorted before seems to think he is protown so i will sheep with that.|

Gyrlander Towny She got pissed at my shitposts yesterday, i don't think an evil role would get so pissed at a shitpost.

Blinkskater Towny Played alot like last game when he was town.

MM Towny She got pissed at my shitposts yesterday, i don't think an evil role would get so pissed at a shitpost, very active and played alot liek last game (bad) when he was town.

Tauntshaman Neutral Can't get a read on Tauntshaman, but he wanted to be sc, +town points.

SCV Towny Claimed bg, an easily detectable role if he was evil.

#2 Scummy Scum paints people then disappears.

Rachyl Towny Acts pretty neutral, but i don't get evil vibes from her.

No_Bugz Neutral Can't get a read on him.

Yep, it's difficult to read some people like noz_bugz, hybrid and tauntshaman.
Mostly because they are not participating enough.
I have a kind of town vibe from hybrid, an evil would have fake claim in early D1?

About N2, he is kind of lurking but he is still more participating this game than the spirit game where he was scum, he even pushed to put distorted SC D1. It's méta I think and maybe he got just more time this time. I don't know.

Now, we have two things working together so maybe we can start looking at if allegiance changed from D1 to D2?

[Dutes]

you think MM and gyrlander are town for pointing out your shitposts and you think im scum for also pointing out your shitposts. why is that?

I think you are more scumpainting.

[blinkskater]

Hybrid - Scummy Claimed tracker then switched to citizen the next day. Claims it was a town move, but i am not sure.|

Lenneth Towny Came up with his list yesterday seems protown overall.

Distorted Towny Claimed citi and everyone who played with Distorted before seems to think he is protown so i will sheep with that.|

Gyrlander Towny She got pissed at my shitposts yesterday, i don't think an evil role would get so pissed at a shitpost.

Blinkskater Towny Played alot like last game when he was town.

MM Towny She got pissed at my shitposts yesterday, i don't think an evil role would get so pissed at a shitpost, very active and played alot liek last game (bad) when he was town.

Tauntshaman Neutral Can't get a read on Tauntshaman, but he wanted to be sc, +town points.

SCV Towny Claimed bg, an easily detectable role if he was evil.

#2 Scummy Scum paints people then disappears.

Rachyl Towny Acts pretty neutral, but i don't get evil vibes from her.

No_Bugz Neutral Can't get a read on him.

I think you have to many people in the town category only 1 scum out of all of us? Something doesnt add up there

[Dutes]

I think you have to many people in the town category only 1 scum out of all of us? Something doesnt add up there

I know. Im not sure who is who yet. Just my reads so far. Thats why i did not want to post them yet, but i got pushed by MM.

[blinkskater]

I know. Im not sure who is who yet. Just my reads so far. Thats why i did not want to post them yet, but i got pushed by MM.

I feel thats an honest answer but the last part of being pushed by MM strikes me as Meh, you can always tell him to get fucked =)

[Dutes]

I feel thats an honest answer but the last part of being pushed by MM strikes me as Meh, you can always tell him to get fucked =)

Wel i had 3 people voting me so i feel i had to defend myself. MM wanted the list that's why i made it.

[Lenneth]

I know. Im not sure who is who yet. Just my reads so far. Thats why i did not want to post them yet, but i got pushed by MM.

I dont think you will ever be sure about who is who.
Most of the people are experimented, scummy guys can actually be town and very townly guys can be scum af.

Look at distorted. He really look very townly and I also feel he is town (méta). he proposed to be SC and sacrifice himself to confirm a town. But when he became SC, we started looking at the settings to finaly agree that he was best for him to kill at night and not suicide.
I am not saying he is scum, it's just an exemple

[Numbertwo]

Wel i had 3 people voting me so i feel i had to defend myself. MM wanted the list that's why i made it.

i think it's suspicious that you paint so many people as town. It's like you are afraid of making enemies.

[Dutes]

i think it's suspicious that you paint so many people as town. It's like you are afraid of making enemies.

-vote Numbertwo

You seem scummy.

[Numbertwo]

@Scvmurderer

Who did you protect last night?

[Distorted]

I dont think you will ever be sure about who is who.
Most of the people are experimented, scummy guys can actually be town and very townly guys can be scum af.

Look at distorted. He really look very townly and I also feel he is town (méta). he proposed to be SC and sacrifice himself to confirm a town. But when he became SC, we started looking at the settings to finaly agree that he was best for him to kill at night and not suicide.
I am not saying he is scum, it's just an exemple

funny enough this is probably how i would have played it as scum as well =P right on the edge but guarantees me a night to convert, but also leads to a huge uphill battle. I am serious though on wanting to confirm a town though, I still see that being the most beneficial strategy for town.

Want to become the confirmed town mayo/vigi? I mean u have been doing a hell of a lot for town so I think confirming u would be good because it would keep you protected all game. I seriously believe me being alive most this game will do more damage than good.

[blinkskater]

funny enough this is probably how i would have played it as scum as well =P right on the edge but guarantees me a night to convert, but also leads to a huge uphill battle. I am serious though on wanting to confirm a town though, I still see that being the most beneficial strategy for town.

Want to become the confirmed town mayo/vigi? I mean u have been doing a hell of a lot for town so I think confirming u would be good because it would keep you protected all game. I seriously believe me being alive most this game will do more damage than good.

I think Lenneth is a good pick

[Lenneth]

funny enough this is probably how i would have played it as scum as well =P right on the edge but guarantees me a night to convert, but also leads to a huge uphill battle. I am serious though on wanting to confirm a town though, I still see that being the most beneficial strategy for town.

Want to become the confirmed town mayo/vigi? I mean u have been doing a hell of a lot for town so I think confirming u would be good because it would keep you protected all game. I seriously believe me being alive most this game will do more damage than good.

That could be a plan yep !

So basically ! it's just better to not lynch/use XC capacity during day no?

now we are 9 towns, 2 things and the survivalist.
tonight, one of us will die from the surv so probably :

7 towns, 3 things and the survivalist.
then the things can not convert anymore.
the survivalist will also poison someone tonight.

idealy, we should find the survivalist (easier to say than to do) and after, we can let tpr do their shits until we got a lead.
There is still a chance that the survivalist doused/poisoned a thing last night which could be great.

If distorted use his kill today, he can die (less town) and even if he kill a thing, it's only worth it if the other thing die from poison tonight (so no more convert).
If distorted use his kill tonight, he won't die but he will 100% kill someone, town or evil (including survivalist?)

It's probably best if distorted kill someone tonight. 2 things + survivalist + the potentiel new one (if distorted kill the thing's target).

We are actualy 9 towns, 2 things and the survivalist.

So If we confirm a town today, we will have potentially tomorrow :

in the worst case (distorted suicided, a town dead by poison and another one converted ) :
6 towns, 3 things and the survivalist.

another case (distorted suicided, a thing dead by poison and no conversion ) :
7 towns, 2 things and the survivalist

another case ( distorted suicided, the poison have been healed and a conversion ) :
7 towns, 3 things and the survivalist

best case ! ( distorted suicided, thing dead by poison and BG killed the survivalist ):
5 towns, 2 things.

If you kill someone at night, there is a high chance that you kill a town too so we won't have a confirmed dude and potentialy two towns dead. it's actualy the same chances with a lynch.

I actualy think killing a thing is a bad thing since they can only be 3 max...

Anyway, yep it's a good idea to confirm a town but we HAVE to get a scum tomorrow or we are screwed.
Too bad we didn't do it yesterday :x

[Lenneth]

That could be a plan yep !



We are actualy 9 towns, 2 things and the survivalist.

So If we confirm a town today, we will have potentially tomorrow :

in the worst case (distorted suicided, a town dead by poison and another one converted ) :
6 towns, 3 things and the survivalist.

another case (distorted suicided, a thing dead by poison and no conversion ) :
7 towns, 2 things and the survivalist

another case ( distorted suicided, the poison have been healed and a conversion ) :
7 towns, 3 things and the survivalist

best case ! ( distorted suicided, thing dead by poison and BG killed the survivalist ):
5 towns, 2 things.

If you kill someone at night, there is a high chance that you kill a town too so we won't have a confirmed dude and potentialy two towns dead. it's actualy the same chances with a lynch.

I actualy think killing a thing is a bad thing since they can only be 3 max...

Anyway, yep it's a good idea to confirm a town but we HAVE to get a scum tomorrow or we are screwed.
Too bad we didn't do it yesterday :x

The more I read it, the more I am thinking we can't win if the survivalist only kill humans.
We won't be able to kill every things even if we know who they are, they can convert evernight and we can only kill one guy every days. (SC's kill have a huge cooldown).
If there is 3 things tomorrow, it's probably already lost.

Our only chances are to kill the survivalist OR kill multiple things in one day with the help of the survivalist.

[Gyrlander]

Lenneth is clear of suspicions.

[Noz_Bugz]

I was doing a project pretty much all of yesterday, i'll catch up ASAP

[Noz_Bugz]

Dutes is acting sketchy AF imo

-vote Dutes

[Scvmurderer]

Hm, so you guys want to lynch dutes and let distorted nk?

[Lenneth]

Hm, so you guys want to lynch dutes and let distorted nk?

not really, we was more talking about confirming a town. (at least recently)

[Numbertwo]

Hm, so you guys want to lynch dutes and let distorted nk?

i think 2 town kills is better then 1. I don't see a scenario where a commander day kill is more useful.

[Rachyl]

It's just because it's stupid, Rachyl. It's not as if you could see the person's reaction IRL. It's just a bullshit way to get reads. Might work on new players, but hell it might not even work on them. And 100% sure it won't on experienced players. Hybrid is a cynical guy. So, I don't think coming with a bullshit way to read him will make him answer. Don't scumread him for this: I understand his reasons.

Other option: say im scum with hybrid and that im defending him =)

Im not scum reading him, not yet anyways at least. I simply asked him a question and he wont answer it, he goes back into hiding whenever i try to pressure him. Its really strange. It almost makes me think that he is hiding something. And i have a really clever way of revealing a scum if i have the chance to, but Hybrid wont subject himself to my questioning. So i cant really question him any further, he hides and lurks so its nearly impossible.

[Tauntshaman]

Alright, time to kick a newbie out so that he can't disturb us working

-vote Dutes

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[Tauntshaman]

But honestly i don't think dutes is scum
i still think rachyl is the most scummy.
but i'm ok with dutes die today so.

[Dutes]

Alright, time to kick a newbie out so that he can't disturb us working

-vote Dutes

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I HARDCLAIM TRACKER N1 BlinkSkater-> MM

[Dutes]

I couldn't get a read on Blink yesterday so i tracked him. He went to MM.

He also accused MM of being arso and started a vote on him. So i don't think Blink is the thing. Might stil be arso, but i doubt it.