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    Role Suggestions

    Hello there! While SC2Mafia is certainly my favorite iteration of this game, when trolls aren't ruining the experience of course, there are a few roles I've seen in other versions that I thought would be neat to include in a future update. I've sure some, perhaps even all of these have been suggested at some point, so apologies in advance if this is redundant. Please share your thoughts!

    Actress/Impersonator

    Affiliation: Mafia/Triad

    Summary: A talented actress working for organized crime

    Categories: Mafia Deception/Triad Deception

    Has Night Ability? Yes

    Abilities: Choose one town-aligned role each night. Will appear as the last chosen role upon death.

    Goal: Kill off the Town and everyone else who would oppose you.

    Investigation Results: Mafia/Triad (Sheriff), Identity Theft (Investigator)

    Options: Can only choose a role once. (Default: Off)

    Concept Thoughts: Like the framer and janitor, this role would make it more difficult for town to figure out who the mafia are via process of elimination and might result in legitimate town roles getting lynched because people are less likely to believe multiple claims of doc, sheriff, etc. By optionally restricting this to only allowing one role choice, the actress must decide when to choose a role and which role she can convincingly fake considering she won't have any of the information necessary to support her claim.

    Lover

    Affiliation: Neutral

    Summary: A tragic individual who just wants to survive with the one she loves

    Categories: Neutral Benign

    Has Night Ability? Yes

    Abilities: Visit someone, once per game.
    The target will fall madly in love with her.
    Will commit suicide if her loved one dies of any circumstance, and vice versa.

    Goal: Survive to the end of the game with their loved one, regardless of whether or not the Town or Mafia win.

    Investigation Results: Not Suspicious (Sheriff), No Crime (Investigator)

    Options: Will become Jester on death if loved one dies. (Default: Off)
    Becomes Serial Killer (Copycat) if lover was Serial Killer and dies of any circumstance. (Default: Off)

    Concept Thoughts: Like the survivor, the lover just wants to survive. More difficult to play, however, considering they don't have a bulletproof vest and will die if their loves one dies. Having them convert to Jester instead of suiciding increases viability that she will win, however my concern is that the Lover might try to get their loved one killed on purpose to force a conversion. My other thought is that if Lover chooses not to visit or is rbed, they could wait until the game is almost over to claim her lover, though I'm not sure if this would improve or reduce her odds of winning since she is otherwise a powerless role.

    Obsessed Lover

    Affiliation: Neutral

    Summary: A deranged, lovestruck individual whose intense feelings inevitably push them over the edge

    Categories: Neutral Evil, Neutral Killing

    Has Night Ability? Yes

    Abilities: Choose someone during the day, once per game, by typing -stalk #.
    See everyone who visits her target each night.
    Will automatically kill one random player who visits her target each night.
    Converts to Serial Killer if their target dies of any circumstance.

    Goal: Along with their 'loved one', be the last two people left alive.

    Investigation Results: Serial Killer (or Not Suspicious), Trespassing, Murder(Investigator)

    Options: Commits suicide if their target dies of any circumstance. (Default: Off)

    Concept Thoughts: Sort of a twisted Veteran, killing those who visit their object of desire rather than themselves. Ideally, the Obsessed Lover would want to survive along with their target until the final three and convince their target to lynch the remaining townsperson, regardless of their affiliation. Not the easiest victory condition I know, but I thought it would be fun and unlike any other existing goal. Allowing the Obsessed Lover to convert to SK mid game rather than suicide increases it's power and gives her an alternate way to win should the object of their desire perish.
    Last edited by Trine; February 13th, 2017 at 03:20 PM.

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    Re: Role Suggestions

    Hello, Trine! Happy to see a new face around here.

    In my opinion, the only one that I would really like to see implemented in the game would be the Lover (Neutral Benign). I think it was recommended many times already and I do not understand why it hasn't been added. It is a role that is in most games & real life games. I like his concept and it makes like a "mini team" between two players. Maybe even a Night chat could be added for both of them

    As for Actress, I think it is a valid role but it adds a new mechanic to the game which is roles that couldn't be true. Mafia players are not used to this and most of them would be absolutely tricked. In my opinion, we should stick to the "this player is certainly this role" (unless for the disguiser thing, which in most cases it says ??? and in others it doesn't add a random role but it just changes two).

    About the Obsessed Lover, I think there are some things to clear first. I think the way of making it a unique role would be being making your target having to win with you, eventually having to betray his team. If it's not like that, I think this one would be like a SK but... harder. It wouldn't have anything unique, which all Neutral Killing have.


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    Re: Role Suggestions

    I appreciate the feedback Gyrlander. Also, thank you for the warm welcome! I love mafia and I've been so sad to see so many mafia-based communities falling to trolls, hacks, cheaters, etc.

    I figured Actress wouldn't be that much more unbalanced than janitor or framer, but I suppose giving straight up wrong information (rather than hiding it) could make the game significantly harder for town.

    The idea behind the obsessed lover/stalker was more of an unrequited love, someone willing to go to dangerous lengths to ensure their loved one is protected and remains theirs, even kiling any perceived competition. Balance-wise, I'm sure it could use some adjustment and perhaps it's not all that practical but I wanted to suggest something unique that I haven't already seen in other games.

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    Re: Role Suggestions

    Quote Originally Posted by Trine View Post
    I figured Actress wouldn't be that much more unbalanced than janitor or framer, but I suppose giving straight up wrong information (rather than hiding it) could make the game significantly harder for town.
    I've seen iterations on this site in particular on a slightly more powerful version of actress called the tailor. The tailor gives out suits to anyone of their choosing making them look like another role/team upon death. Could be an actress if they just targeted themselves.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Re: Role Suggestions

    Yeah I've seen Tailor before. That role seems much more powerful in that, provided it survives a few nights, completely throws role reveal on death into question since it effects the perceived role of multiple players. Might as well be dealing with a Janitor since none of the information obtained on death could be relied upon. Actress causes this problem, but on a much smaller scale.

    Also glad to see you here Voss. I was going to suggest these for use in your Narrator app at some point, once I'd received enough feedback and fine tuned them.
    Last edited by Trine; February 13th, 2017 at 02:39 PM.

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    Re: Role Suggestions

    and more to the point, i prefer tailor because most of his/her power is reliant on it being alive, not being dead, whereas actress sets himself/herself up to die and THEN cause confusion.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Re: Role Suggestions

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    and more to the point, i prefer tailor because most of his/her power is reliant on it being alive, not being dead, whereas actress sets himself/herself up to die and THEN cause confusion.
    Actress can be a little more potent if it "Disguises" themselves as a Target, not as a possible role. Also can make them have the investigative pairing of their target.
    That way, they are a 1-time exact investigator, can become invest immune (unless, of course, they target another scum player), and when they die it causes confusion.

    And the possibility that a player was Actress also sets the stage (pun intended) for interesting discussion.


    They both add different things to the game, IMO. Tailor is obviously stronger, but sometimes you don't want Mafia having that kind of power.

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    Re: Role Suggestions

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptonic View Post
    Actress can be a little more potent if it "Disguises" themselves as a Target, not as a possible role. Also can make them have the investigative pairing of their target.
    That way, they are a 1-time exact investigator, can become invest immune (unless, of course, they target another scum player), and when they die it causes confusion.

    And the possibility that a player was Actress also sets the stage (pun intended) for interesting discussion.


    They both add different things to the game, IMO. Tailor is obviously stronger, but sometimes you don't want Mafia having that kind of power.
    then you're just hoping you get something you can fake yourself as. As an actress I'd rather have the power to pretend to be doctor, then accidentally target serial killer and get rekt.

    I do like the one-time exact investigation suggestion (as it even fits with actress), but the ending for it seems a little bit of a handicap to play.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Re: Role Suggestions

    Actress is, in my opinion, a rather weak role due to the fact that it needs to die for it to be effective. It's implemented in one of the other mafiaesque games that I play and its probably the weakest role in the game (second to, if anything, arsonist).

    I agree with voss. Tailor is a much better role but with the generally dimwitted community of mafia I'd suggest straight up not adding either.

    Thanks for the suggestions though, and feel free to try out forum mafia, where people overthink things so much that actress is a useful role!
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