S-FM The Cold War III

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Oh my god. My post failed to register and I was afraid you guys had hammered someone. Thank God that's not the case.

I'm posting the role table from the first Coldest War to give you an idea of how many power roles there actually are in this game.

Player	Status	Role
SCVMurderer	Dead	Soviet Worker
Hybrid	Dead	Fidel Castro
Efekannn02	Alive	Soviet Worker
RLVG	Dead	JFK
Voss	Dead	Nixon
Marshmallow Marshall	Dead	Leon Trotsky
Blinkskater	Dead	Joseph Stalin
Fury	Dead	President Truman
Distorted	Alive	Soviet Worker
Yukitaka Oni	Dead	Premier Security Service
Spruance	Dead	KGB Agent
Unknown1234	Alive	Soviet Worker
Whad	Dead	Vladimir Lenin

There's a nice thing called "setup" for that :P

[Ganelon]

There's a nice thing called "setup" for that :P

When you look at the setup, it's not immediately apparently.
My point being that there are ONLY 4 citizen roles that cannot visit.

[Ganelon]

When you look at the setup, it's not immediately apparently.
My point being that there are ONLY 4 citizen roles that cannot visit.

Immediately apparent.

[blinkskater]

Because I am. I honestly don't know what else to do because my real target is aamirus, yet she's not here soooo, I have to do something. And I'm not awfully good at FM, I'm great at the mod but I suck at FM, so I'm following your lead because you I think you're town.

SMH why don't you try being a LEADER and not a follower?

[TheGodDavid]

1: I didn't call you SK, I called you potential scum.
2: I wanted you to contribute, not to go mad. You are not contributing. That must change.

I was just trying to prove my innocence I am not scum =(

[blinkskater]

My perspective is that there's some Fielzanks - naz interaction (they are admittedly friends, outside of the game) that I dislike, even before you started arguing with naz.

I'm not sure I trust Fielzanks due to this, and a really small part of me's saying that one of the two inactive is the last Mafia, because Lenneth, David and Fielzanks are kind of playing the same way.

About David - I don't think it's David because David is scum reading atm, and he's one of the few to be doing so lol - I don't think first time scum would be that adventurous with their reads.

i'm friends with most outside of the game, does that upset you? Naz most of all

[Ganelon]

i'm friends with most outside of the game, does that upset you? Naz most of all

I think you misunderstood my post.

[Fielzanks]

I was just trying to prove my innocence I am not scum =(

David, I really want to believe you. But why should I? You're passive and you don't type out what you think! We're not in your head, so we cannot understand how and what you think. You must type it. What seems wrong to you? Who do you trust the less?

[Ganelon]

Whatever, either way I'm fucked because either naz is scum and I'm being an idiot for flipping right now (which I believe to be the case) or you guys are right and it's not naz.

[naz]

@MM whats IC?
My komrades need my vote

-vote aamirus

forgive me fam but you have more potato than I!!!

[Fielzanks]

As of now, Mag has above 170 posts and is the top poster of this game. As of now, Mag is lost, has no leads, goes back on his reads like a fly and sheeps. I really have doubts trusting this slot when nothing of use came up recently.
@Magoroth Why are you lost this much in this game? Has anything in particular happened?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I was just trying to prove my innocence I am not scum =(

you are gaining scumpoints for all that defensiveness and the sudden panic... but you can redeem for your sins by contributing!!! +scumpoints though.

[blinkskater]

Mod term incoming, but why would a Consigliere/Consort/Godfather claim a detective/lookout role. Outside of the mafia, there are only 4 citizens, 4 power roles and 1 neutral role. This would make the typical “n1-1-Visited Nobody” very difficult as there are less than half of the role she that could potentially visit people. To add on, rumox is also a mod player (he’s a keeper so I think so?) so I would not see this type of play coming from a scum role because there’s a lot of risk involved.

High risk High reward IMO just because it's FM doesn't mean nobody makes risky plays

[Fielzanks]

I get the feeling poor aamridus is reading the previous pages he missed while not yet aware of the burning fire that awaits him

[Marshmallow Marshall]

David, I really want to believe you. But why should I? You're passive and you don't type out what you think! We're not in your head, so we cannot understand how and what you think. You must type it. What seems wrong to you? Who do you trust the less?

You are too nice

[TheGodDavid]

About David - I don't think it's David because David is scum reading atm, and he's one of the few to be doing so lol - I don't think first time scum would be that adventurous with their reads.

my hypothesis is that Magoroth is Mafia
he was thinking I was a possible scum now hes saying im town all of a sudden its as if he already knew I was town
just a thoery
a game theory

[Ganelon]

As of now, Mag has above 170 posts and is the top poster of this game. As of now, Mag is lost, has no leads, goes back on his reads like a fly and sheeps. I really have doubts trusting this slot when nothing of use came up recently.
@Magoroth Why are you lost this much in this game? Has anything in particular happened?

FM is not for me. I suck. I think this'll be my final one, because even if I was right I flip-flop far too easily.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

@MM whats IC?
My komrades need my vote

-vote aamirus

forgive me fam but you have more potato than I!!!

Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all
So come brothers and sisters
For the struggle carries on
The Internationale unites the world in song
So come brothers (and naz too), come rally
For this is the time and place!
The Internationale ideal
Unites the human race!!!


IC = Inexperience-Challenged on MafiaScum.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

FM is not for me. I suck. I think this'll be my final one, because even if I was right I flip-flop far too easily.

OOOOOOOOOOOOO the vibe of a found scum right now is real....

-vote magoroth

[blinkskater]

All of them are my scummies of day 1 for their reaction to my claim, how they reacted to my claim to be precise. I understand apprehension but reading their reasons for it caught my attention. My vote will move, I don't believe throwing a vote around means anymore than just saying straight up 'I think you are baddie'. At least not until closer until EOD when the threat actually becomes real.

Out of Fielz and Naz, Naz easily. I have a will that I have edited probably 50 times already outlining my reasons with post number references. Take my word on it or don't but when I feel the time is right I will paste it.

you are my 50/50 town scum read atm Naz is my strongest town read, followed by aamiurs. Unk and Fielz are my to towny to be town reads atm. MM and Mag are my scumreads david, lenny, pod, kip are null and void, i still have 4 pages to read

[Ganelon]

OOOOOOOOOOOOO the vibe of a found scum right now is real....

-vote magoroth

Ya, not like I did this when I speedlynched SJ.

[Fielzanks]

You are too nice

My first game I was also lost and it was you who helped me organize things so I'm simply returning the favor !

[Marshmallow Marshall]

FM is not for me. I suck. I think this'll be my final one, because even if I was right I flip-flop far too easily.

But pls don't leave us though!

[Fielzanks]

you are my 50/50 town scum read atm Naz is my strongest town read, followed by aamiurs. Unk and Fielz are my to towny to be town reads atm. MM and Mag are my scumreads david, lenny, pod, kip are null and void, i still have 4 pages to read

I have the same read on Unk ; not commenting on others

[Ganelon]

Ya, not like I did this when I speedlynched SJ.

I wouldn't even be mad at that point because I don't care about my scum play that much, because I *am* a bad a scum. But this game is way too stressful for me and coupled with some IRL stuff I shouldn't be playing this.

[DJarJar]

I get the feeling poor aamridus is reading the previous pages he missed while not yet aware of the burning fire that awaits him

yea just finished like 20 something pages in 1 go

[Marshmallow Marshall]

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...-Communication Good guide for new people btw, it helped me out a lot. Even helps IRL!

[Fielzanks]

I wouldn't even be mad at that point because I don't care about my scum play that much, because I *am* a bad a scum. But this game is way too stressful for me and coupled with some IRL stuff I shouldn't be playing this.

Atleast you won't drag anyone with you, I doubt we would find alignment in your confusion

[Marshmallow Marshall]

yea just finished like 20 something pages in 1 go

Look at Jar Jar's eyes, he's tired of reading :P

[Fielzanks]

yea just finished like 20 something pages in 1 go

Yeah I usually do the same, log in and read everything, commenting to useful bits one by one (the MM way) but when people are hot about you see you online they start to heat up really fast haha

[Ganelon]

W/e, I'm just digging my own grave here, distracting you people from the real scum, whoever they are.

I'm going to chime in and say that I think it is nearly impossible for rumox and Unknown to be of opposite alignment - if one of them is mafia, the other one surely is as well; and the reverse is also true, if one of the is town, they're both town. So I don't really see the possibility that Unknown was wrong as a high chance *IF* he is town. What bothers me is the salt he displayed after naz's argument and (leaving naz's bbullshit arguments aside -> you don't like women, for instance) the fact that he went 'What?' -> he thought that naz was either Yukikataoni or Nawa (one of which apparently played very poorly; I didn't bother to read the setup there because I believe that at least that expression of anger was genuine. But that could mean that Unknown simply utilised his own emotion as sort of a screen, you know, like the way toxic frogs use very colourful lights to ward off predators? a partially apt analogy, only this case this 'frog' was marking his target while also appearing pro-town. I still think we should rather Lynch naz because I do not see a world where naz AND Unknown are both town. That simply isn't possible in my mindset unless I am seriously overestimating Unknown.

[Fielzanks]

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...-Communication Good guide for new people btw, it helped me out a lot. Even helps IRL!

Nope, because when you're good at arguing and exposing people's flaws in their argumentation it makes them to stop talking to you Don't be too efficient IRL

[DJarJar]

I really wasn't looking for information. I think we all agree MM looks like scum and my instinct is to just lynch. Remember this is first FM, I am coming with the mindset of a mod player

Fine I was wrong here, I didn't think there was any information to look for D1 because there really shouldn't be (mod playing standpoint), but I guess the meta of FM demands that people post and essentially give away info about themselves. There was certainly a lot of interesting things going on so far in this day

[blinkskater]

Guys, if naz turned out to be town, who would you vote? I'm basing my whole theory off of naz being scum and I will be head-fucked and confused if she flips town. I really don't like that - we should seek an alternate theory *just in case*. I think the obvious answer would be rumox and unknown (and me?), since they kind of fucked her up (not that she didn't help them in doing so, however. Naz if you're town, I'd like to tell you that IF you are right, finding the scum is only part of the game and you actually need town to believe you lol, also stop taking those games *so* seriously, please.)

stop with this BS if naz this whole paragraph seems phoney and fake to me i don't buy you playing your confused townie self this time

[Ganelon]

And about rumox - let's put it this way. Rumox has *no* way of knowing if there EVEN is a TPR role by the likes of the 'Sleeper Agent'. If there is no such role and he is mafia he is beyond fucked.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Nope, because when you're good at arguing and exposing people's flaws in their argumentation it makes them to stop talking to you Don't be too efficient IRL

Naw, just be nice and don't do it to your boss :P

[Fielzanks]

And about rumox - let's put it this way. Rumox has *no* way of knowing if there EVEN is a TPR role by the likes of the 'Sleeper Agent'. If there is no such role and he is mafia he is beyond fucked.

Atleast you helped us win WWII, and there you're helping us win the cold war. You're a good commie.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

my hypothesis is that Magoroth is Mafia
he was thinking I was a possible scum now hes saying im town all of a sudden its as if he already knew I was town
just a thoery
a game theory

Mag's flip flops are real. Some flip flopping is town indicative, but such a change is just opportunistic. He did the same on Naz. SHE'S 100% SCUM to If she's scum I stop playing FM.

[Unknown1234]

High risk High reward IMO just because it's FM doesn't mean nobody makes risky plays

My honest opinion being that I don’t see rumox making a high risk play just from the amount of game that I’ve seen from them in this game.

[TheGodDavid]

My honest opinion being that I don’t see rumox making a high risk play just from the amount of game that I’ve seen from them in this game.

so you don't think its possible for him to be scum?

[Ganelon]

And about rumox - let's put it this way. Rumox has *no* way of knowing if there EVEN is a TPR role by the likes of the 'Sleeper Agent'. If there is no such role and he is mafia he is beyond fucked.

What will happen is that if we mislynch today we will force an open role claim tomorrow (because I am almost certain that we'll be at MyLo tomorrow if we mislynch) and rumox will be CC'd if he isn't what he claims to be. In which case, I believe we can expect a TPR claim tomorrow from naz.

There's like three TPR roles in the game (aside from rumox). Excluding the possibility that all of our TPRs die on N1, it will be VERY scummy if rumox just follows someone who happens to be a citizen, because that's what scum would do. I suggest to rumox that he follows @naz since she practically soft claimed a TPR. That way we'll know that rumox was town (at least as of D1). I see this more as something either a citizen or (potentially) a Mafioso would do, I'm fairly certain rumox wouldn't do this as an actual sleeper because he's not a dumbass.

[Unknown1234]

After falling asleep for a while, why has aamirus not made an appearance? Has he not been around the whole time?

[blinkskater]

Lol I got a few "soulmates" on here... Stealthbomber16 paid for it we were scumread together every game lol. Also that's a pretty weird WIFOM!!!!!! It just confuses town, STAAHP!!

call this a shitpost if you must but i just want to point out the fact that we are not soulmates kthx,

[Ganelon]

so you don't think its possible for him to be scum?

Are you trying to bury him here?

[Fielzanks]

Mag's flip flops are real. Some flip flopping is town indicative, but such a change is just opportunistic. He did the same on Naz. SHE'S 100% SCUM to If she's scum I stop playing FM.

Nah t'was 'IF NAZ ISNT SCUM I STOP PLAYING FM' to 'UNKN/AAM/BLINK SCUM TEAM CALLING IT' that was the giveaway. Nobody does flip flop like that when they're town. He tried to add confusion to town by muddling our day 1 but he failed I'd say

[blinkskater]

omg....MM is on L-2 lol
blink, rumox, aamirus, unknown, lenneth

There has to be 1 to 2 scums in there

blink I don't have a gut feeling on you
Convince me😭

-vote blinkskater

I don't need to convince you babe ;)

[Unknown1234]

so you don't think its possible for him to be scum?

I’m never going to be 100% convinced someone is Town, because I’ve made that mistake before, but right now I don’t see them being scum.

[Lenneth]

Fine I was wrong here, I didn't think there was any information to look for D1 because there really shouldn't be (mod playing standpoint), but I guess the meta of FM demands that people post and essentially give away info about themselves. There was certainly a lot of interesting things going on so far in this day

So you read everything, what do you think now?

[Ganelon]

I’m never going to be 100% convinced someone is Town, because I’ve made that mistake before, but right now I don’t see them being scum.

Who do you want to Lynch at the moment?

[Lenneth]

you are my 50/50 town scum read atm Naz is my strongest town read, followed by aamiurs. Unk and Fielz are my to towny to be town reads atm. MM and Mag are my scumreads david, lenny, pod, kip are null and void, i still have 4 pages to read

I am quite curious how aarmiurs can be your top second town read? oO
He litteraly did nothing who can be seen as town or scum, just being neutral at most.