S-FM 209: Surreptitious: The Game of Spies

[Yukitaka Oni]

I ignore JealousTL almost entire game if he noticed it. Lol, poor guy. Got ignored because I believe he's town

[Quick]

Critique? Let me think.

Main one would be NOT restricting scum kills to a group. It makes Lookout/ Detective way too OP imo.

It's a swingy game by nature so I don't think it's going to be balanced regardless.

Hmm.. maybe you are right. I was just assuming that Mafia would do this since if say there actually was a lynch day one then it would make that group LyLo for that group if a townie was lynched.

[Firebringer]

Right, but given what rolestopper can do, which wasn't asked about... That's one of the reasons rolestopper was chosen for mafia.

But why not just remove that and give them an ability to attack anyone?
You basically have to power up scum because you nerf the fuck out of them on kill choices....

Its like crippling a person then giving them a gun to "balance" things out.
Why not just don't cripple the person to begin with?

Not to mention if someone is good at setup spec, they would assume that rolestopper had to be given to mafia based on limited kill choices on your own design.....

[Yukitaka Oni]

Critique? Let me think.

Main one would be NOT restricting scum kills to a group. It makes Lookout/ Detective way too OP imo.

It's a swingy game by nature so I don't think it's going to be balanced regardless.

Right, but given what rolestopper can do, which wasn't asked about... That's one of the reasons rolestopper was chosen for mafia.

The most imbalance reason
1. Never, ever gives TPR to Calix
2. Noob mafia, didn't kill pro Calix. Not voting group 2, lol

[Klingoncelt]

calix/klingon/jealoustl

bag em and tag em? Meh maybe replace one of the two from group 2 with Firebringer.

All but one of the limited posters are in group 1 which hopefully we will get more out of them in time. I think whether or not we look to lynch calix today, we end up on group 2.

I originally read Firebringer's slot as mafia by POE, so that is a good place to look
I have noticed odd behavior about calix, like I mentioned with the fake interaction with Firebringer, and the odd misreps against me
Klingon's hard defense of NU, and overall play
ginger-confirmed
yuki-confirmed
me- I should be around to answer anything about my reads.

If you want to lynch me you should wait until the Scums are dead.

I'm Town.

You're just pissed off because I suspected Titus.

[Firebringer]

If you want to lynch me you should wait until the Scums are dead.

I'm Town.

You're just pissed off because I suspected Titus.

Hilarious.

[Never Unlucky]

Critique? Let me think.

Main one would be NOT restricting scum kills to a group. It makes Lookout/ Detective way too OP imo.

It's a swingy game by nature so I don't think it's going to be balanced regardless.

My thoughts exactly. It also greatly improves protective roles to save their targets.

I would also reduce the player count. 15 players was too hectic and half the slots barely/did not show up. I was frustrated that my two other known teammates were empty slots.

I'd propose that the group who has eliminated all the mafia within itself doesn't converge into the two other groups thus confirming 1-4 players as town.

[Klingoncelt]

I have IRL, so I am not delaying results. Shapelog targeted Kovath.

-vote Group 1

-vote Group 1

[Gingerape]

Nya ^~^ I had fun even though I never got to vote and the game ended really early.
It helped me learn the game a lot better so I can do another one of I wasn't too terrible ~

[Never Unlucky]

If you want to lynch me you should wait until the Scums are dead.

I'm Town.

You're just pissed off because I suspected Titus.

[Calix]

The most imbalance reason
1. Never, ever gives TPR to Calix
2. Noob mafia, didn't kill pro Calix. Not voting group 2, lol

My night actions weren't that great. All I did was confirm two citizens.

My play wasn't pro. I just coasted and played flippantly.

Fuck meta

[Quick]

But why not just remove that and give them an ability to attack anyone?
You basically have to power up scum because you nerf the fuck out of them on kill choices....

Its like crippling a person then giving them a gun to "balance" things out.
Why not just don't cripple the person to begin with?

Not to mention if someone is good at setup spec, they would assume that rolestopper had to be given to mafia based on limited kill choices on your own design.....

Yeah, that may be true, but rolestopper has a variety of different uses besides just hiding the NK. Scum can use it on anyone for many different reasons. And rolestop for Mafia is not a given. I did add a rolestop possibility for Town as well.

[Yukitaka Oni]

If you want to lynch me you should wait until the Scums are dead.

I'm Town.

You're just pissed off because I suspected Titus.

Either way first day 2 i already told ya. You're on my first lynch train. Just a problem that die soon or later....

[Calix]

-vote unvote

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

If you want to lynch me you should wait until the Scums are dead.

I'm Town.

You're just pissed off because I suspected Titus.

This is what I lost to.

Sigh.

[Klingoncelt]

I don't agree with lynching within group 1 today even if it is a red check. Does leaving the red check alive really matter at this point? You being night immune is more important.

What?

Can't a Protective PR cover Titus?

I'm still not Townreading you...

[Firebringer]

This is what I lost to.

Sigh.

You won, you were a traitor scum, not a mafia scum.

[Yukitaka Oni]

My night actions weren't that great. All I did was confirm two citizens.

My play wasn't pro. I just coasted and played flippantly.

Fuck meta

Fk me, always Shitizen, always same null play style. LOL

[Yukitaka Oni]

You won, you were a traitor scum, not a mafia scum.

He's a double agents^

[Firebringer]

What?

Can't a Protective PR cover Titus?

I'm still not Townreading you...

Waiting for klingoncelt to get to game over message....

[Calix]

Klingoncelt is adorable right now.

Rolestopper doesn't really work out well. Town/ Scum would use it way too differently for a town counterpart to do anything imo.

[Gingerape]

-vote Group 1

[Yukitaka Oni]

Waiting for klingoncelt to get to game over message....

RLVG's reaper gift

[Quick]

Calix also confirmed themselves as PR Day one. They said they were PR. If Mafia could kill anyone I would expect Calix to be dead by Day 2.

[Firebringer]

Klingoncelt is adorable right now.

Rolestopper doesn't really work out well. Town/ Scum would use it way too differently for a town counterpart to do anything imo.

Rolestopper is way more useful in a role madness game.
In a game like this is kind of weird/awkward and you have no idea how to use it I don't think.

My plan was to use it on DUCK so as to frame any investigation on him.

[Yukitaka Oni]

-vote Group 1

The feel when Gingerape didn't know game over yet....

[Calix]

Yeah I was really not subtle with soft-claiming.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Calix also confirmed themselves as PR Day one. They said they were PR. If Mafia could kill anyone I would expect Calix to be dead by Day 2.

Did she? I completely missed it. I was not sure if Superjack or Calix was my partner from group 2.

[Gingerape]

Yuki I wanna play another with you ;~;

[Yukitaka Oni]

Calix also confirmed themselves as PR Day one. They said they were PR. If Mafia could kill anyone I would expect Calix to be dead by Day 2.

I always kill Calix if i were scum. I don't mind sacrifice 1 life just to cut the snake's head

[Calix]

Also we might want to change the votes before the thread locks or something.

12 votes to hammer.

[Quick]

Klingoncelt is adorable right now.

Rolestopper doesn't really work out well. Town/ Scum would use it way too differently for a town counterpart to do anything imo.

IDK how to take this really. I mean, it seems like you are giving me credit for not having a Town Rolestopper, but also saying that role shouldn't be in the game? Town can use it on a confirm Townie iirc.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Rolestopper is way more useful in a role madness game.
In a game like this is kind of weird/awkward and you have no idea how to use it I don't think.

My plan was to use it on DUCK so as to frame any investigation on him.

Half my plan was to account for invest checks by claiming miller with my amnesiac claim :P

[Calix]

Okay, that doesn't work for me. Annoying.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

-unvote

[Quick]

Resetting count.

[Firebringer]

Okay, that doesn't work for me. Annoying.

Only works for the original poster of the thread, love.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Yuki I wanna play another with you ;~;

Calm down, you're alive until the game ended,calm down

[Calix]

IDK how to take this really. I mean, it seems like you are giving me credit for not having a Town Rolestopper, but also saying that role shouldn't be in the game? Town can use it on a confirm Townie iirc.

As I understand it, Rolestopper makes a player Ascetic and that seems more appropriate for Role Madness games. I think replacing it with a good old-fashioned Roleblocker that doesn't inform the target works out fine.

I'm not familiar with MS role variations though; I have never encountered Rolestopper before.

[Quick]

12 votes to hammer.

OK 12 it is.

[Firebringer]

Wait, did this version of role stopper not stop kills?

How did role stopper confirm anyone?

[Yukitaka Oni]

-vote Titus

Scum! b)x.o)>!

[Firebringer]

This is how I know role stopper works.

It stops all actions including kills on a player.
So investigations, Protections, and killing actions are all voided.

The player can still however use their own action(s).

Some versions of rolestopper don't prevent kills on them.

Think of rolestopper like inverse of roleblocker (consort).

So how does a player become "Conf" with a rolestopper on them?

[Never Unlucky]

Half my plan was to account for invest checks by claiming miller with my amnesiac claim :P

I was very surprised that only 2-3 players doubted your traitor soft/hard-claim.

[Quick]

Wait, did this version of role stopper not stop kills?

How did role stopper confirm anyone?

Not sure what you're asking.

rolestopper doesn't confirm anyone as far as I'm aware.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

I was very surprised that only 2-3 players doubted your traitor soft/hard-claim.

After I learned traitor was a confirmed role I expected a instant train on me.

[Gingerape]

Calm down, you're alive until the game ended,calm down

^~^
But next game I'll have to kill you so I can be the only cute one in the game.
You hurt my feelings on day one

[Quick]

-vote Titus

Scum! b)x.o)>!

Yeah.. Titus is where my vote is going as well.

-vote Titus

[Firebringer]

IDK how to take this really. I mean, it seems like you are giving me credit for not having a Town Rolestopper, but also saying that role shouldn't be in the game? Town can use it on a confirm Townie iirc.

Misunderstood this.

[Quick]

Misunderstood this.

Yeah, confirmed.