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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    If I were to legitimately get killed here, and my flip were to be publicized before EoD, there'd be 0 reason for me to make this up. It'd just hurt my reputation for no reason to defend one read. I'm telling this in a mindset of fully believing Frinckles is killing me here.
    It's O. K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    Also as dead player still not believing Mag could ever be legit here. For all I know we're playing the jester king here and mag was the n0 recruit. That'd result in the jester king winning after 3 lynches. Claiming the way Mag did, objectively, would be the best possible d1 play.
    Hi, calm down
    You're not dying

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    Quote Originally Posted by Octane View Post
    Mira, just speed ran through this entire thread.
    I’ll be honest amigo, still don’t know what’s going on.
    Like who has time to read an entire thread? BORING!

    Hey you know what’s arrived compadre?

    /Vote Light

    That’s right!
    All aboard the Octrain!
    Was hoping since last game you were a neutral with no idea of your alignment that you might act differently...
    Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?

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    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM ç

    So Frinckles didn’t shoot Kenny
    kool

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    @Kenny
    Your idea that this be a jester King setup is kinda cool, it could explain Magoroth.
    Definitely the best argument (more like - only argument. nobody wants to even discuss it) against voting mag today.
    But if that's true, and it really is the worst case scenario thus far, then even in that worst case I think it can be pro-town. At least we would know what we're dealing with.
    If it really was jester King setup, then there's 1 sheriff and that's an argument against it.
    But still. If this is the worst case scenario - I say it's still worth to vote Mag, as even then it's slightly pro town.

    You and me obviously scumread Frinckles and he has this tunnel on me (designed to not out his scum mates I bet).
    But like, aamirus is most likely town here too, she doesn't townread Frinckles either, but she still wants to keep him around, probably for the purpose of having an active slot helps games solving. I can respect that.

    So what I'm getting at here is this: how about get a guaranteed tiny benefit and vote mag instead of Frinckles? Just an idea, nothing set in stone, but it is something I want people to discuss, so we can make the best decision that most are happy with.

    On the other hand though. When enough people get split via tunnell, maybe it's just healthy for future discussions to get rid of me or Frinckles.
    I wouldn't want to end up like Huey in the last game lol, it's just unhealthy for town.

    Just throwing ideas out there, I think at some point people will have to get together and discuss who is the actual best vote for today.

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    I don’t think I ever said anything about NOT lynching mag, I was just trying to understand and sus out what the fuck he was claiming which has 100% sounded like BS since he claimed. I personally believe he will retract his claim later so your reason for locking on him will be void, so you might as well move on now
    Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?

  18. ISO #568

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    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    At some point maybe, not sure why you’re obsessed with choosing the lynch now and stifling all discussion about anything besides mag...
    It's 30+ hours into Day1, it's not THAT early.
    Most are not even online and won't be any time soon, better ask now than 15 hours from now. It would be too late then. Maybe this is not optimal time, but it's nothing to pull your hair out for.
    People can discuss what they want, there's nothing stopping them to add something to this topic ADDITIONALLY to their other discussions.

    You seem very offensive every time I bring this topic up. I don't get it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    @Kenny
    Your idea that this be a jester King setup is kinda cool, it could explain Magoroth.
    Definitely the best argument (more like - only argument. nobody wants to even discuss it) against voting mag today.
    But if that's true, and it really is the worst case scenario thus far, then even in that worst case I think it can be pro-town. At least we would know what we're dealing with.
    If it really was jester King setup, then there's 1 sheriff and that's an argument against it.
    But still. If this is the worst case scenario - I say it's still worth to vote Mag, as even then it's slightly pro town.

    You and me obviously scumread Frinckles and he has this tunnel on me (designed to not out his scum mates I bet).
    But like, aamirus is most likely town here too, she doesn't townread Frinckles either, but she still wants to keep him around, probably for the purpose of having an active slot helps games solving. I can respect that.

    So what I'm getting at here is this: how about get a guaranteed tiny benefit and vote mag instead of Frinckles? Just an idea, nothing set in stone, but it is something I want people to discuss, so we can make the best decision that most are happy with.

    On the other hand though. When enough people get split via tunnell, maybe it's just healthy for future discussions to get rid of me or Frinckles.
    I wouldn't want to end up like Huey in the last game lol, it's just unhealthy for town.

    Just throwing ideas out there, I think at some point people will have to get together and discuss who is the actual best vote for today.
    before i comment on this, does ozy usually type like this in games? like being careful about rocking the boat too much? I need a consensus here folks. never played with ozy before

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    It's 30+ hours into Day1, it's not THAT early.
    Most are not even online and won't be any time soon, better ask now than 15 hours from now. It would be too late then. Maybe this is not optimal time, but it's nothing to pull your hair out for.
    People can discuss what they want, there's nothing stopping them to add something to this topic ADDITIONALLY to their other discussions.

    You seem very offensive every time I bring this topic up. I don't get it..
    You have two wall posts and then spamming to lynch mag. Do you not get how that looks when you’ve barely said anything else?
    Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    before i comment on this, does ozy usually type like this in games? like being careful about rocking the boat too much? I need a consensus here folks. never played with ozy before
    As I said earlier to Frinckles. One thing with ozy is he claimed in the signup thread that he would be trying something new and posting rare big chunks in this game and that was before roles were assigned. So I haven’t seen it before but he also said he was going to do it ahead of the game
    Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?

  23. ISO #573

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    I'm going to have Stealth reiterate this, bc he confirmed it to me in discord pms but

    FOR DAY 1 VOTING, PLEASE PM YOUR "OFFICIAL" VOTE RANKING TO THE HOST BY END OF DAY

    At end of day, theses votes will be made public.

    This doesn't mean you shouldn't post your ranking, as posting your ranking publicly helps give the players an indication of who the scummy people are, and who isn't. However, when it gets down to an hour left before EoD, I'll be taking down the condorcet vote UI, and posting a snapshot of what the current votes are. This also doesn't mean when we're within the "one hour to EoD" period that we won't be allowed to post what we're submitting. There'll just be no UI to tell you what the consensus is. It's an effective secret vote at EoD.

    This mechanic is meant to be a deterrent to "vote jiggling" at the end. In previous games we've seen people try and get a particular person lynched, by submitting weird votes, which indirectly causes ties bc people are submitting VASTLY different votes from one another

    And finally, if your last publicly announced vote is way off from the EoD votes you will be scum read for it. It is effectively the same as changing your vote wildly at EoD without explanation as a last minute coordinated vote to get someone else eliminated.. And I will catch you and eliminate you Day 2.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    As I said earlier to Frinckles. One thing with ozy is he claimed in the signup thread that he would be trying something new and posting rare big chunks in this game and that was before roles were assigned. So I haven’t seen it before but he also said he was going to do it ahead of the game
    i'm talking about tone, not post length/count.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    ozy is usually pretty inquisitive / helpful when i talk to him on the forums. i personally haven't seen him abrasive.

    i guess my question is, has anyone seen ozy play abrasively?

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  26. ISO #576

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    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    You have two wall posts and then spamming to lynch mag. Do you not get how that looks when you’ve barely said anything else?
    I wish you had the same enthusiasm regarding Frinckles tunnel on me.

    Still though. I misunderstood your point a little bit. I thought it's about "why aren't you letting us talk what we want?".
    Turns out it's a "why aren't you looking elsewhere?". I mean.. ok.. you do you. I'm fairly certain I'm top3 who "looked around" the most.

    I would appreciate if you tried to be more direct and clearer, less cryptic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    ozy is usually pretty inquisitive / helpful when i talk to him on the forums. i personally haven't seen him abrasive.

    i guess my question is, has anyone seen ozy play abrasively?
    These posts of mine feel very much like my silent night posts.
    I don't know what your words mean. But for example, the one where you asked about a boat, it instinctively reminds me of this post for example: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...387#post839387
    in the sense of seeking understanding between another player.

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    hey aamirus, when you submit your next vote, can i be below ppffortress? i think i deserve to be around more than a non poster.

    and last time i participated in a bird vote game, i'm p sure i was fear killed bc i know the vote system so well, so just let mafia kill me or something. ppffortress isn't going to be killed by evils.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Voss, your question about my tone meta felt shady, ngl.
    I hope you'll understand that I need other player's interpretations of you to help me with my question. Not yours.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    before i comment on this, does ozy usually type like this in games? like being careful about rocking the boat too much? I need a consensus here folks. never played with ozy before
    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    ozy is usually pretty inquisitive / helpful when i talk to him on the forums. i personally haven't seen him abrasive.

    i guess my question is, has anyone seen ozy play abrasively?
    @Voss
    Is this correct? In your first post you ask wether or not I usually play "careful". In your 2nd post you ask wether or not I usually play "aggressive"?
    So how am I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    before i comment on this, does ozy usually type like this in games? like being careful about rocking the boat too much? I need a consensus here folks. never played with ozy before
    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    ozy is usually pretty inquisitive / helpful when i talk to him on the forums. i personally haven't seen him abrasive.

    i guess my question is, has anyone seen ozy play abrasively?
    @Voss
    Is this correct? In your first post you ask wether or not I usually play "careful". In your 2nd post you ask wether or not I usually play "aggressive"?
    So how am I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    hey aamirus, when you submit your next vote, can i be below ppffortress? i think i deserve to be around more than a non poster.

    and last time i participated in a bird vote game, i'm p sure i was fear killed bc i know the vote system so well, so just let mafia kill me or something. ppffortress isn't going to be killed by evils.
    I mean I had you that low from before you ever started posting again today, i think you might be 2nd highest now if I go through it now
    Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    I wish you had the same enthusiasm regarding Frinckles tunnel on me.

    Still though. I misunderstood your point a little bit. I thought it's about "why aren't you letting us talk what we want?".
    Turns out it's a "why aren't you looking elsewhere?". I mean.. ok.. you do you. I'm fairly certain I'm top3 who "looked around" the most.

    I would appreciate if you tried to be more direct and clearer, less cryptic.
    As I’ve noted in previous games, you have a high opinion of yourself so I can understand your sentiment here, even tho it’s nonsensical to think you’re a top 3 “look around”er when you’ve barely contributed anything. I get thst you chose this low posting style before the game, but just because you’ve contributed a lot in your head doesn’t mean you’ve contributed a lot to the thread.
    Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?

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    @aamirus
    Tbh I would appreciate if you made up your mind about the Frinckles slot. Analyze him. ISO him 5 times over if you have to, read the game 10 times over. Just analyze him and make up your mind about him. There is more than enough content to work with.
    Analyze him, look at the bigger picture what he is all about, and make up your mind about his slot.
    Putting him somewhere in the middle of everyone... I mean, honestly. How much more content will you require on slots to be able to make a read on them?
    Now Voss is your 2nd highest townread? For what? He had like 0 contribution to this game. 0.
    Please don't just go from moment to moment, making up your mind about slots based on how you feel about those slots in the moments.
    I don't mean to be rude. But this read on Voss from you - I can't respect that. I don't see how it's rational.
    You do you, I'm just returning the favor and commenting on your play. We certainly have different mindsets. Like you even value chit chats over long analysis.

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    Ganelon
    Guest

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    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    Can you tell me what hour you will retract your claim I just want to plan my day accordingly
    2pm EST

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    @aamirus
    Tbh I would appreciate if you made up your mind about the Frinckles slot. Analyze him. ISO him 5 times over if you have to, read the game 10 times over. Just analyze him and make up your mind about him. There is more than enough content to work with.
    Analyze him, look at the bigger picture what he is all about, and make up your mind about his slot.
    Putting him somewhere in the middle of everyone... I mean, honestly. How much more content will you require on slots to be able to make a read on them?
    Now Voss is your 2nd highest townread? For what? He had like 0 contribution to this game. 0.
    Please don't just go from moment to moment, making up your mind about slots based on how you feel about those slots in the moments.
    I don't mean to be rude. But this read on Voss from you - I can't respect that. I don't see how it's rational.
    You do you, I'm just returning the favor and commenting on your play. We certainly have different mindsets. Like you even value chit chats over long analysis.
    Like... here we have over a 1/3rd of players tunnelled on either one of 2 slots. And you have no strong opinions. Couldn't care less, have both slots somewhere in the middle.
    That's not best.

  40. ISO #590

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    Had a game on MU recently that was nearly identical by every measure, except "Frinckles" had one strong supporter.
    Well, it was a 2v2 tunnell with everyone else super inactive. In the end, guess the reason why most didn't care was because the 4 in question were all town, and mafia were content with how it was going.

    I will, again, later re-read Frinckles. Need to be sure he isn't town.

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    I think we should all agree to not bluff anymore. It hurts the Town more than helps it, specially considering it's a Hidden Setup.

    If Magoroth ends saying "jk, just wanted to see reactions" I'm gonna be mad. However, considering I town read him I'm inclined to think his claim is legitimate.


    Thank you Anonymous Donor

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    nvm
    I dont know why you insist on projecting some benevolence. In class, did your writing instructor ever tell you to 'show not tell?'

    You're doing nothing to solve the game except saying things that mean nothing for the sake of it.

    I can what appears to me, to be you slipping. Aamirus, Gylander have both taken note of this and formed thier own opinions.

    Did you even respond to me outside of saying I'd been bashing you for 16 hours? No retorts, not trying to figure out my motives -- just a direct and final write-off.

    Fluffy language is fun for a while and it's a fantastic scumpainting tool, but impactfully you're on the same level as Ppfortress.

    Nobody cares if you need a second take on my alignment. You're a wolf trying to piece together a sheep outfit.

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    I sorted out the intentions of your first wallpost and examined where that and the one that followed came from.

    You have zero reason to attack me that early and that directly. You had no reason to quote Magoroth's name seven times attempting to buddy him. You had no reason to bring up a conversation you apparently had with him 2> months ago in a death chat postgame.

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