S-FM 292: ★ Silent Night ★ [14P]

[Efekannn02]

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MM: 14
Aamirus: 13
Solid: 13
OzyWho: 13
Blink: 11 (though maybe extreme wifom?)
SB16: 10
Yagami: 8
Huey: 7
Varcron: 3
Mag: 3 (but it's yellow...)
Caustic: 0
Korvoth: 1
Efe: -6
Naz/voss: -8



I guess I'm ok with keeping my vote on Efe

You suck at this

[OzyWho]

You suck at this

As Mag once said: trying something new

[Solid D.]

@OzyWho The Statman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy8kmNEo1i8

[Efekannn02]

@OzyWho The Statman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy8kmNEo1i8

NO AND NO!



NO AND FREAKING NO!

I HATE YOU!

[OzyWho]

@OzyWho The Statman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy8kmNEo1i8

That song needs a 10 hour version

[Solid D.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUpP5EyCyZA

so no more.

[Solid D.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUpP5EyCyZA

so no more.

Say no more*

[Stealthbomber16]

Define Mentally Stable.. Because, That Grey Area Gets Broader And Broader Everyday..

ok boomer

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Honetly, this guy is a bot. Such obviously random sentences only..

-vote Caustic

Yaay. You don't interact, only judge. Fun... very... human of you.

In fact, that's Voss' super-advanced Mafia bot playing with us. Yes, that's right. /sarcasm


Catching up.

[Kovath]

There needs to more input Chip, Same goes for MM. Why does mm still have a vote on Huey?

From what i understand everyone put in thier votes early last night and mm was still posting then. yes we can't trust Huey but there has to be a clear consensus on a lynch vote. those who struggle along to slowly vote are those who should be questioned at this point.

maybe im being paranoid. 5 Hours to EoD

Solid D., why are you so bloodthirsty / eager to draw and place votes?

You were on both the Efe and Light fast trains, one of them with a "let's spice this up." Also iirc during one of those trains, you replied to someone who was asking what was going on that "someone is getting lynched" or something to that effect. That assertion also presents a bit of a contradiction with your most recent quote that Efe needs to be pressured for information rather than an actual lynch:

Exactly my point. Its established that efe needs to be widdled down to an L-2 or an L-1 for some hard cold facts. Those who cannot see this an claim to be town are in my mind sus.

Thoughts?

Speaking more broadly to other players, I am still perplexed by these town gut-reads being thrown Solid D.'s way. If you can't offer any type of reasoning, however general, or a quoted post to describe your gut feeling, then that's not even gut - it's just optimism and buddying or something. If I've missed this being offered, then by all means just tell me and I'll go look for it

If it's only because he's been sheeping other people's "statistics," then lol

[Kovath]

Solid D., you're also applying no pressure to any of the people who fast-derailed the Efe train from L-1 back to L-4 or L-5

[Marshmallow Marshall]

idk, reading the start to Vengeful and things seem a bit different

For example, PTB implies that his RQS (random question stage?) is actually systematic and normal for him (I think I might have vague memories of him doing this type of thing actually). PTB's initial reactions in that game also read way scummier to me than what I can remember of Ozy's here (I may need to look at his ISO again). Though, it's been a long time since I've played with PTB so he might have been following his norm.

All-in-all the appeal to Vengeful seems tenuous. I can see Town using these kinds of intuitive remembered associations to help bolster a read. You are probably also drawing on old impressions whereas I am reading the gamethread fresh.

At the same time, a connection I don't agree with doesn't make me feel better about you, and ofc I don't think it supports aamirus being town either.

I remember that part pretty clearly : PTB's "random questions" only happen when he's scum, and he uses them to scumpaint people by creating contradictions between what they said in their reply to the questions and their behavior in the game. It's not so hard to do when you know exactly where to look, I guess.
This doesn't apply to @OzyWho here; I also would say that he's much farther from PTB's playstyle this game in general.

May I ask... where were you??

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Caustic's slot can only be solved mechanically.
That's so anti-town gameplay tbh.

And, quite frankly, his "analysis" seemed like random sentences to me. Like that might actually be true.

AUTO PLAY IS FORBIDDEN ON THIS SITE.
THESE ARE CLEARLY RANDOM SENTENCES, JUST AS YOUR READS WERE.

??? You're extremely quick on the discredit here. I actually am doubting my read on you because of that now.

[Ganelon]

Why? I mean you’ve said mm must be town a couple times but can you clarify why? As far as I can tell you just say he must be town without any justification

he's not trying to manipulate people, he's not posting dribble (like he does as scum), and he doesn't seem opportunistic this game. also, his reads list feels towny af

[Ganelon]

I've got a few other reasons to be town reading MM, but I doubt anybody would give a shit about them

[Kovath]

May I ask... where were you??

Is this at me and if so is it regarding why I stopped playing FM?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

As they both are Unknown Variables. It can be a possibility but not a certainty.

If you are suggesting the possibility of Aamirus/Ozy Scum Team I Myself am considering that possibility but it’s not the most probable outcome to the process, but perhaps with more observing I can determine if the team is the Parasites we’ve been looking for.

Words can be twisted. It’s the motivation you show after. That is the main focus.
Did he Retract? Did he form a Solution? Did he Inspire or Improve his take on the topic at hand?

Okay, so you have no idea.

Not just the possibility of a scum team (I really doubt scums without a chat would jump at eachother like this right away and never stop the pressure, even disregarding my individual reads on each of Aamirus and Ozy.), but the TvS or TvT possibilities.

I already have my own thoughts on all of this; I'm asking your take on the matter. I don't want you to explain me how to do it, I want you to explain me what Aamirus has been doing, and how it is alignment indicative (or not). I want to be able to read you, and if you don't let me do it, well, you're suspicious to me. @Caustic

[OzyWho]

[SIZE=3][/SIf everyone could make full read lists by the end of the day so I can colorize my last table, that would be great.IZE]

[Ganelon]

For those confused Yagami is town because he is actually providing solid reads even if they are wrong

this

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Is this at me and if so is it regarding why I stopped playing FM?

Yes, and no that wasn't my question... Where were you during the most part of D1 lol

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Okay, so I assume we aren't getting a Huey or Aamirus lynch anytime soon... Efekann is also a good lynch, and he's at L-3 right now.

-vote Efekannn02

With intent to lynch at EoD.

[Kovath]

Yes, and no that wasn't my question... Where were you during the most part of D1 lol

At work? Doing other things? Thinking?

I don't really think I've done much different from Whizzbang D1.

[Solid D.]

your fixation with me is fascinating.
i didn't start either lynch trains and nothing came of it and i never pushed it past that point. if i was persistent on the lynchings sure that's scummy as fuck and past that point i've only encouraged voting to gather information. I've already stated that those who take their time with this vote ie: a last minute vote, should be considered sus as all who voted have engaged in conversations that led to efe, at this point, having to either be EoD lynch or majority. if you have the time to quote me then you should have had the time to see all that lead to this because i already addressed my quote about the spice. FIRST OFF

and how you belittle other players opinions baffles me, there cannot be any type of engagement if we cannot look at all angles of the investigation. maybe you missed SB16 calling for a fast vote on me to have some sort of a feel as to where i stand in all of this and from day 1 i have already said who i trust who i dont time and time again. if you have time to quote me then you have time to sort through this thread. stop cherry picking and look at this from a whole. the day ends soon and we need as many facts as we can get! SECOND

FINALLY, I AINNNN'TTTT HAVING THAT SHIIIIITTTT! PICK A BETTER SUBJECT IF YOUR GONNA SCUM HUNT BOI

@Kovath

[Solid D.]

and on another note half the shit"Kovath" talks about is from a past game about how aami acted and how mm could read it. fuck that noise THIS IS SILENT NIGHT! not some other bullshit, get into the conversation and let's talk.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Yeah.... I don't know where the hell this came from, but you're a bot of some kind, this is random as hell. There is no information here that is useful, you're speaking riddles of which I don't even want to bother figuring out.



This is seeming forced as hell, probably a riddle telling mafia at this point tbh, or neutral.

-vote Caustic

Even though it is definetly overly cryptic, I am seriously wondering what the hell they would be gaining from being like that as scum. It makes very very little sense.


Plus, I don't really disagree with his reads. Blink is keeping himself motivated and explicites a lot of strategy, that is true.
He says you want to solve the game... I hope you say that is true lol.
Stealth read is on point, I basically have the same read, just with more wordy explainations.
Etc.

Now, the real question is : Why would you want to lynch THIS over your scumreads, over the people who have strongly interacted with others, over the informative lynches? Sure, he's not super towny, but he's not super scummy at all; I even townread him a bit, honestly. His playstyle is... uncommon, but far from deserving a policy lynch. Light literally deserves it more than him for the constant nonsense he has been saying this game, and Efe wins the absolute prize of policy lynch-worthy. So, again, why are you placing your vote there? @Varcron

I also note that a lot of people are attacking Caustic pretty easily. That contributes to my slight townread on him.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

At work? Doing other things? Thinking?

I don't really think I've done much different from Whizzbang D1.

Really? I feel completely differently, but it might be because we've been super-posters this game lol. We're probably going to reach the 1500 posts mark by EoD1.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

and on another note half the shit"Kovath" talks about is from a past game about how aami acted and how mm could read it. fuck that noise THIS IS SILENT NIGHT! not some other bullshit, get into the conversation and let's talk.

Remaining civil doesn't kill, fyi.

I do agree that Kovath's helpful contributions are overall very thin and that the past game talk could be an excuse to talk without much content, but he has just began putting activity in the game. He is a scumread of mine, but I want to wait for D2 before actually putting a solid read on him.

[Solid D.]

if anything im reading a neaut or town on Caustic

he continues to use the words OBSERVE and CONTINUE TO OBSERVE and doesnt really exhibt any kind of fear of perscution from all his nonsense. example efe started to freak when the votes started to come down and i doubt Caustic will react this way. like he doesn't fear death. like his role can be played beyond the grave is what im thinkin.

[OzyWho]

Really? I feel completely differently, but it might be because we've been super-posters this game lol. We're probably going to reach the 1500 posts mark by EoD1.

I said it earlier, that Kovath's play gives me de ja vu of his Day1 from Whizzbang.
That is the sole reason why I won't consider a lynch on him now.

But if it wasn't for that, then I would definitely scumread him.
But I wait for Day2 before making an opinion about his alignment.

[Solid D.]

Remaining civil doesn't kill, fyi.

I do agree that Kovath's helpful contributions are overall very thin and that the past game talk could be an excuse to talk without much content, but he has just began putting activity in the game. He is a scumread of mine, but I want to wait for D2 before actually putting a solid read on him.

fair.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

@blinkskater
Tbh, from my perspective - town is doing great. Still Day1 and "we" have 5 out of 9 townies. Can't ask for anything better.

Though, from your perspective, it's 3 not 5 since you scumread me and I think you don't trust SB16 yet either.


What you said about your reasons how you read me, apart from me reminding you of a PTB scumgame, everything else is too complicated for me to make a comment on tbh.


If you don't enjoy FM you shouldn't play it tbh, it's unhealthy to begin with even when there's joy. Even worse when you play for a bottle tbh.

FM is only unhealthy if you don't like the game, or if the game gets toxic (toxicity is obviously unhealthy, no joke lol). That being said, playing for a bottle... xD

[OzyWho]

Even though it is definetly overly cryptic, I am seriously wondering what the hell they would be gaining from being like that as scum. It makes very very little sense.

This is exactly why I put caustic as green

[Marshmallow Marshall]

if anything im reading a neaut or town on Caustic

he continues to use the words OBSERVE and CONTINUE TO OBSERVE and doesnt really exhibt any kind of fear of perscution from all his nonsense. example efe started to freak when the votes started to come down and i doubt Caustic will react this way. like he doesn't fear death. like his role can be played beyond the grave is what im thinkin.

That is exactly the kind of thing you should keep for yourself if you're town, unless he's threatned of being lynched, which he is not. It's just bad to call people's roles out like this. That's the Mafia's job. We look for alignments, not roles.

[Ganelon]

btw a Huey Lynch would tell us efe is 99% town if Huey is scum

[Kovath]

your fixation with me is fascinating.
i didn't start either lynch trains and nothing came of it and i never pushed it past that point. if i was persistent on the lynchings sure that's scummy as fuck and past that point i've only encouraged voting to gather information. I've already stated that those who take their time with this vote ie: a last minute vote, should be considered sus as all who voted have engaged in conversations that led to efe, at this point, having to either be EoD lynch or majority. if you have the time to quote me then you should have had the time to see all that lead to this because i already addressed my quote about the spice. FIRST OFF

and how you belittle other players opinions baffles me, there cannot be any type of engagement if we cannot look at all angles of the investigation. maybe you missed SB16 calling for a fast vote on me to have some sort of a feel as to where i stand in all of this and from day 1 i have already said who i trust who i dont time and time again. if you have time to quote me then you have time to sort through this thread. stop cherry picking and look at this from a whole. the day ends soon and we need as many facts as we can get! SECOND

FINALLY, I AINNNN'TTTT HAVING THAT SHIIIIITTTT! PICK A BETTER SUBJECT IF YOUR GONNA SCUM HUNT BOI

@Kovath

This is a mess.

It's not about whether you started the trains, it's about your eagerness to vote on them (ex. immediately sheeping Stealthbomber's Light "tell"). Yes, other players did do some of this as well, but I'm addressing your own action in the context of your own body of work.

I don't see how I've "belittled other players opinions"; nor does your point about SB16's proposed turbo really address the fact that there are standing gut-town reads on you (that turbo never really got off the ground either, for what that's worth) that I want to understand. In a similar vein, nothing that I said really related to whether you've stated your own reads, i.e. that part is irrelevant to my posts unless you think it implicitly bolsters your town case as an indirect defense.

If we need as many facts as we can get, I don't see how understanding what is going on around your slot is counter-productive. Efe is still the primary lynch target both in actual votes and in stated intentions by other players. Am I just supposed to take for granted that you are town? Is there something in particular which is counter-productive about pushing your slot?

We are still multiple hours away from EoD in a plurality lynch world. This is plenty of time to try and make progress on other topics. Meanwhile, I've made like 5 posts recently that address you. How is this a "fixation"?

[OzyWho]

If everyone could make full read lists by the end of the day so I can colorize my last table, that would be great.

fixed

[Ganelon]

I still don't like the fact that Efe got to l-1 so soon

[Solid D.]

That is exactly the kind of thing you should keep for yourself if you're town, unless he's threatned of being lynched, which he is not. It's just bad to call people's roles out like this. That's the Mafia's job. We look for alignments, not roles.

your right im thinking way to hard about all this i need to slow down and write some stuff down.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php...ad_of_Analysis
I definitely townread her for the same reason you.
But I want you to reconsider your position on me.
If your previous reason to scumread me was that you trusted aamirus to be correct, then for that same reason you should townread me since I don't think she scumreads me anymore either.

Lol, good point about Kovath.

As for Aamirus, I just cannot townread what she's doing, sorry. There is a level of intentional (actually, I hope it's intentional, because else she would just be a super manipulative person naturally) manipulation that is systematically applied to all pushes in order to attain an objective of persuasion, not of truth. If you don't want to lynch her, that's fair, but I'm not going to townread her anytime soon.

[OzyWho]

We are still multiple hours away from EoD in a plurality lynch world.

Actually its majority+plurality. And yes, I know it says "plurality".
(see - 8 votes to lynch, not 9999)

[Kovath]

and on another note half the shit"Kovath" talks about is from a past game about how aami acted and how mm could read it. fuck that noise THIS IS SILENT NIGHT! not some other bullshit, get into the conversation and let's talk.

This is a superficial discredit and shows that you didn't try to understand what I was attempting to address.

Blinkskater made an appeal (or made a connection) to a past game in order to bolster or help explain his townread on aamirus. I sought to understand this appeal as a means of both seeing (a) for myself whether this appeal to aamirus's past meta had any merit and (b) whether I could glean some understanding of Blinkskater from that that evaluation.

What I ended up with was my own analysis of the connection, as well as the interactions that I had with Blinkskater and aamirus during the process.

Honestly almost everything that's been aimed at my slot this game boils down to "I expect Kovath to be a way more active mega-scumhunter!" when I did not exhibit this type of behavior in Whizzbang D1 at all.

[OzyWho]

tbh..

Also, yes. If majority is not reached the player with most votes will be lynched. I'm talking with Aivon about whether to no lynch or randomize in the event of a tie. To be honest.

Yeah, it's majority.

[DJarJar]

Lol, good point about Kovath.

As for Aamirus, I just cannot townread what she's doing, sorry. There is a level of intentional (actually, I hope it's intentional, because else she would just be a super manipulative person naturally) manipulation that is systematically applied to all pushes in order to attain an objective of persuasion, not of truth. If you don't want to lynch her, that's fair, but I'm not going to townread her anytime soon.

Does MM scumread distorted in every game they play together? Blink thoughts?

[Kovath]

Lol, good point about Kovath.

The fact that you're sheeping all these "Kovath has no content" reads is super weird.

In the post Ozy made, I concluded that I had doubts about an Efe lynch today. I told Ozy that he was ignoring my last sentence, and he in turn completely ignored me.

[OzyWho]

Does MM scumread distorted in every game they play together? Blink thoughts?

Took me a bit to realize why you ask about Distorted.
It's because you've adopted Distorted's playstyle and want that to be proof that discredits MM's read on you?

[OzyWho]

In the post Ozy made, I concluded that I had doubts about an Efe lynch today. I told Ozy that he was ignoring my last sentence, and he in turn completely ignored me.

When have you asked me something?

[Solid D.]

This is a mess.

It's not about whether you started the trains, it's about your eagerness to vote on them (ex. immediately sheeping Stealthbomber's Light "tell"). Yes, other players did do some of this as well, but I'm addressing your own action in the context of your own body of work.

I don't see how I've "belittled other players opinions"; nor does your point about SB16's proposed turbo really address the fact that there are standing gut-town reads on you (that turbo never really got off the ground either, for what that's worth) that I want to understand. In a similar vein, nothing that I said really related to whether you've stated your own reads, i.e. that part is irrelevant to my posts unless you think it implicitly bolsters your town case as an indirect defense.

If we need as many facts as we can get, I don't see how understanding what is going on around your slot is counter-productive. Efe is still the primary lynch target both in actual votes and in stated intentions by other players. Am I just supposed to take for granted that you are town? Is there something in particular which is counter-productive about pushing your slot?

We are still multiple hours away from EoD in a plurality lynch world. This is plenty of time to try and make progress on other topics. Meanwhile, I've made like 5 posts recently that address you. How is this a "fixation"?

no your right i have no right for you or any else to immediately assume i'm town. as far as gut reading goes i've never like that, you either do or don't and should a reason above all else for reads. suppose your the first to give me the "blink-ammi" approach and im tryin not to get to aggressive or nonchalant about the situation but i guess i fucked that up. i'll need to step back and have better reasons to claim a read or role calling cause that's no good. i need to remember this is a conversation not an argument. As far as your first question goes i believe light pulled the "breifcase office thing" which got debunked i pretty much rode on that iirc

[Marshmallow Marshall]

This is a superficial discredit and shows that you didn't try to understand what I was attempting to address.

Blinkskater made an appeal (or made a connection) to a past game in order to bolster or help explain his townread on aamirus. I sought to understand this appeal as a means of both seeing (a) for myself whether this appeal to aamirus's past meta had any merit and (b) whether I could glean some understanding of Blinkskater from that that evaluation.

What I ended up with was my own analysis of the connection, as well as the interactions that I had with Blinkskater and aamirus during the process.

Honestly almost everything that's been aimed at my slot this game boils down to "I expect Kovath to be a way more active mega-scumhunter!" when I did not exhibit this type of behavior in Whizzbang D1 at all.

No, it's the fact that your posts are very, very, very thin in analysis. IIoA, as Ozy pointed out, and the PTB analysis thing is a similar sin : saying things that do not make the game advance, while appearing as helpful.

And yes, it's plurality + majority.

[OzyWho]

I told Ozy that he was ignoring my last sentence, and he in turn completely ignored me.

One sentence doesn't automatically mean the rest of your post isn't "information instead of analysis".
It was one of those "I can't take this serious, not gonna reply to that" - happens a lot to me it seems.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

tbh..

Also, yes. If majority is not reached the player with most votes will be lynched. I'm talking with Aivon about whether to no lynch or randomize in the event of a tie. To be honest.

I think the host is honest.