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  1. #1

    the kid griefers in sc2maf isnt considered griefers, these are the people who ruins sc2mafia.

    So arrow just told me people that comes at you, killing you n1, lynching you for no reason because they know who you are (colored name etc) is not griefing and its normal, not against the rules.

    then what in the hell is griefing if we allow people to ruin games for others by coming at them with -prefer jailor and exec'ing everyone u dont like N1 and yaya admins love those people apparently.

    im told its My fault for triggering people who Sucks at this game when i just play normaly.

    what the hell? Not my responsibility for what Other people do. start banning people who breaks the rules, ruins the game instead of veterans who are good that doesnt do anything wrong.

    jesus. where is the logic?

    the worst people in sc2mafia are

    n1 - Hackers
    n2 - People who exec you n1, game ruined, leave or watch, you are done. (lynch d2 etc aswell)
    n3 - Skypers
    n4 - Lag cheating
    n5 - give away your teammate names
    n6 - abuse mayor/marshall to lynch people you dont like
    n7 - leave train
    n8 - spamming chat like a maniac and completely throwing/Trolling
    n9 - leave early for no reason many times

    and then its like lowest of the lowest category that isnt even considered a problem to the game and doesnt impact it as much as EXEC'ing you N1 does.

    Try to survive as mayor without revealing, saying ur mayor, talking like a town. not even rules against that. Not a problem at all, town vouched to lynch someone claiming mayor, their fault.
    blabalbabla so far it just looks like fanatics wants to make up stuff thats not a problem and say hey its a problem cuz i dont like this guy.

    And dont get me wrong, mods do say we allow griefing and exec'ing you n1 multiple times and say in chat we're gonna grief you right now, exec n1 in the save setup with sc2name, those r being ignored cause you use colored name so they know who you are. i mean they sit there allowing griefing cause hey you triggered that person or whatever and its my fault now that they Come up, ruin your game multiple times so you cant play. seriously, time to give these griefer kids some WL instead of excusing them as normal gameplay and we love them they make the game better!
    Last edited by MasterNinja; November 26th, 2019 at 05:38 PM.
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    Re: the kid griefers in sc2maf isnt considered griefers, these are the people who ruins sc2mafia.

    A Philosophical discussion about the ethics and morality of this question I'm not interested in. Yall can do it and don't let me stop you from it.

    But I do have 2 opinions on this that have nothing to do with the question itself:
    1)If you make the choice to pick a name that people recognize it is you - then you have to deal with the consequences.
    1.1)If you don't like the consequences and argue against them - then you are actively searching for trouble where there is none. You have the choice of "being a new person" every game. You make your own trouble.

    2)There have been many many many players who consistently played with the same names. Some were loved and some were hated by the other players. The fact that the players hate or dislike you is a YOU problem. Nobody else has caused how the other people feel about you.



    Edit: half of that OP wasn't there before I started making this post.... why....fucking...

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    Re: the kid griefers in sc2maf isnt considered griefers, these are the people who ruins sc2mafia.

    Griefing is against the rules, people who are griefing shall get banned and you cant excuse it with "he had colored name i knew who i was haha oh thats soul eater im gonna smak him n1 for 10 games in a row"

    wow yeah totally my fault what he's doing.

    seriously, ever been at a police station or actual justice? you know how law works? yeah you cant excuse your actions. if you grief people ur up for a ban and thats that, that how it should work but somewhy isn't here with mature and proper people who rather wants those people around to keep griefing haha those colored name dolts better stop using that!

    back to school logic like this heres some examples

    This guy had it coming for him he knew he would get punched by a girl okay. so he did something rude to the girl and she punched him. that girl would still be charged for assault. u cant excuse assault, u cant excuse Shit.

    100% of what you do, is on you. thats how the law works. i punch her, oh but she triggered me so its okay i knew who she was she has colored name ahahahaha its okay to break the rules if he has colored name. yeah no.

    Get rid of people breaking the rules and save the game.
    Last edited by MasterNinja; November 26th, 2019 at 05:45 PM.
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    Re: the kid griefers in sc2maf isnt considered griefers, these are the people who ruins sc2mafia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    It isn't griefing to kill who you want when you don't have any solid reason not to
    dude, trialing someone as town saying they are evil and guilting and they end up as town = against the rules cuz u had no reason to random him

    jailor cluelessly picking someone day1 to kill and exec, = even less reason than the guy above.

    guess griefing doesnt exist now
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    Re: the kid griefers in sc2maf isnt considered griefers, these are the people who ruins sc2mafia.

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterNinja View Post
    Griefing is against the rules, people who are griefing shall get banned
    If you want to be technical about it, then you're correct.
    one of the examples of griefing shown in http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/announcement.php?f=6 is "2) Targeting a player because of their SC2 identity regardless of actual evidence"

    Offtopic: for some reason, the descriptions (or whatever is the correct english word) of rules on that page are different than on https://sc2mafia.fandom.com/wiki/Rules
    I wonder which one is the more official one

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    Re: the kid griefers in sc2maf isnt considered griefers, these are the people who ruins sc2mafia.

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterNinja View Post
    dude, trialing someone as town saying they are evil and guilting and they end up as town = against the rules cuz u had no reason to random him

    jailor cluelessly picking someone day1 to kill and exec, = even less reason than the guy above.

    guess griefing doesnt exist now
    You misread my post

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    Re: the kid griefers in sc2maf isnt considered griefers, these are the people who ruins sc2mafia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    You misread my post
    All you said is that jailor exec n1 cant be griefing.

    griefing is targetting the same person alot of times, griefing is going against the same dude all the time. if you do it as jailor, as godfather, as SK, as arso, as whatever, its still griefing. cuz ur reasoning to kill him is griefing reasoning which is "me no gusta this guy so im gonna ruin his game"

    and thats what griefing is. its not less griefing if you are SK or evil, if you choose to kill him because "griefing" aka targetting that guy you know who is, and you want to kill him every game. and when you do that many times cuz thats one of the worst things in this game to die n1 thanks to griefers, they are reported with many demos around the same time period so we know they have gone against the same person all the time, they get WL.
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    Re: the kid griefers in sc2maf isnt considered griefers, these are the people who ruins sc2mafia.

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterNinja View Post
    dude, trialing someone as town saying they are evil and guilting and they end up as town = against the rules cuz u had no reason to random him

    jailor cluelessly picking someone day1 to kill and exec, = even less reason than the guy above.

    guess griefing doesnt exist now
    Random killing and Random Lynching is part of the game. But, as I QUOTED in the post above - you ARE correct.
    So, I guess, what you have to do is to get PROOF of their reason for killing you. And, together with actual quoting of the rules, no mod has a choice but to punish them no matter their moral standings.

    So all you need is:
    1) proof of their reason (them admitting it)
    2) quote the appropriate part of the rules if the mods don't agree it's punishable.

    But regardless though - griefing is LIGHT punishment. Nothing to waste your time on tbh. (though, on the other rules page it says MEDIUM, go figure =.= )

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    Re: the kid griefers in sc2maf isnt considered griefers, these are the people who ruins sc2mafia.

    The rule "Targeting a player because of their SC2 identity regardless of actual evidence" is generally interpreted as "targeting despite of opposing evidence". "Regardless" is somewhat misleading I guess.

    But yes, in every situation where you do not have evidence, which does include almost every night 1, you're free to kill who you want.
    The game itself wouldn't work otherwise.

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    Re: the kid griefers in sc2maf isnt considered griefers, these are the people who ruins sc2mafia.

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterNinja View Post
    All you said is that jailor exec n1 cant be griefing.

    griefing is targetting the same person alot of times, griefing is going against the same dude all the time. if you do it as jailor, as godfather, as SK, as arso, as whatever, its still griefing. cuz ur reasoning to kill him is griefing reasoning which is "me no gusta this guy so im gonna ruin his game"

    and thats what griefing is. its not less griefing if you are SK or evil, if you choose to kill him because "griefing" aka targetting that guy you know who is, and you want to kill him every game. and when you do that many times cuz thats one of the worst things in this game to die n1 thanks to griefers, they are reported with many demos around the same time period so we know they have gone against the same person all the time, they get WL.
    You have the choice to pick a more inconspicuous name, right?

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    Re: the kid griefers in sc2maf isnt considered griefers, these are the people who ruins sc2mafia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    The rule "Targeting a player because of their SC2 identity regardless of actual evidence" should say targeting despite of opposing evidence. "Regardless" is somewhat misleading I guess.

    But yes, in every situation where you do not have evidence, which does include almost every night 1, you're free to kill who you want.
    The game itself wouldn't work otherwise.
    Yeah, that "Regardless" is really misleading. Someone should correct it.
    cough @Arrow cough

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    Re: the kid griefers in sc2maf isnt considered griefers, these are the people who ruins sc2mafia.

    Griefing is light stuff?

    One of the Worst things that can happend to annyone in SC2Mafia is to be killed n1 by jailor or annyone and when this happends because someone targets you because they know who you are thats a very serious offense.
    Its not light stuff, its worse than skypers. skypers cant do much like ruining your game n1 and you having to watch/leave. ur game is 100% of sc2mafia experience. the other people will get to play just die later on. their game isnt totally wasted like yours were when dying n1.

    and to kenny you said it was okay to abuse a system message in the game and troll people. so yeah.

    Evidence for potentional griefing is when you die, to jailor n1 exec very very often by the same person withing short time, kills also counts by same person within same small time period it proves he targets you first and he knows who you are.

    and one way to confirm bias is that when you use "default sc2mafia name" vs using "colored name" see how often the same person "jails and execs you n1" i think u get the idea now?
    Last edited by MasterNinja; November 26th, 2019 at 06:14 PM.
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    Re: the kid griefers in sc2maf isnt considered griefers, these are the people who ruins sc2mafia.

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterNinja View Post
    Griefing is light stuff?

    One of the Worst things that can happend to annyone in SC2Mafia is to be killed n1 by jailor or annyone and when this happends because someone targets you because they know who you are thats a very serious offense.
    If only there was a way to avoid it

    But yeah, I agree that Griefing shouldn't be "Light" offense. But, hey, it's listed as "Medium" on that other page. ;)



    Aaanyhow. Can you imagine for a second what it would be like if it was like what you are wishing for?
    Suddenly - players could TRAP other players and get them banned, by being rude to them and then report them for griefing after they "retaliate". I think it's completely fine as to how @Kenny described it. As long as there is no opposing evidence - killing anyone for anything is on the menu. After all, on BOTH pages it says the same - trolling becomes griefing when it becomes purposeful gamethrowing. Bad plays aren't necessarily gamethrowing. Plays opposing actual evidence is gamethrowing.

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    Re: the kid griefers in sc2maf isnt considered griefers, these are the people who ruins sc2mafia.

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    @Stereo
    The price for shitposting here is 1 meme GIF per post.
    we did have a guy with proof of saying he was gonna grief someone and then did it.
    guess what, its invalid and ignored cause we love those people according to 2 admins so far.

    duh nice story with the admitting stuff, thats why im saying admins here r biased and needs to fix their bs. blaming others because of colored name.

    So far, arrow allows griefing if you use a colored name or name that people knows who you are. which is just bs, allowing griefing. we cant have that and need to get these griefer kids to learn they gotta stop griefing.

    and thats why i made this post.
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    Re: the kid griefers in sc2maf isnt considered griefers, these are the people who ruins sc2mafia.

    SoulEaterR chooses the name Mayor and is a Mayor in slot #1. This replay is a mess. Moon didn't play well, but honestly #1 didn't play well either. Both players fueled each others' rage. Claiming Jester during a trial before revealing as Mayor was needlessly risky. If this replay were submitted alone, I would ignore it. But as part of this set of replays, it shows that Moon habitually ignores town leadership.

    A note for the reporter: If you want to avoid situations like this in the future, I recommend that you stop using the name Mayor and preferring government roles. This can make players angry at you, making the game less fun for everyone. I also recommend that you avoid making accusations against trolls (such as saying that they're skyping). That just reinforces the negative environment that trolls try to create.
    So, what are you going on about again?
    Last edited by renegade; November 26th, 2019 at 06:28 PM.

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    Re: the kid griefers in sc2maf isnt considered griefers, these are the people who ruins sc2mafia.

    ozy and renegade both saying its okay to grief people aslong they have colored name and i know who they are. eh...... oh thats yeah go and kiill em n1, every game, as much as u want, its not griefing cuz i know who they are apparently, thats the rules here now boi go live with it.

    nice, allowing griefing cause "reasons". totally what we need when most of the playerbase is 12-18 year olds who just goes after ppl who triggered them.

    Well in short ur saying its allowed to break the rules (grief people) if they have colored name that you recognise.

    u realise what ur saying right?

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