S-FM Standoff (8P)

[Voss]

It was mechanically proven because MM was saying he was something other than what Efe saw.

[Voss]

It was mechanically proven because MM was saying he was something other than what Efe saw.

maybe it's just semantics, but the spirit of my post is still correct.

[OzyWho]

maybe it's just semantics, but the spirit of my post is still correct.

It is, yeah.
I'm curious. If MM was a green Bartender instead of a red one, what would be different? It's a bit hard to accept that it's as simple as "red one counterclaims, green one doesn't" - because that would make MMs play simply bad.

[Frinckles]

It is, yeah.
I'm curious. If MM was a green Bartender instead of a red one, what would be different? It's a bit hard to accept that it's as simple as "red one counterclaims, green one doesn't" - because that would make MMs play simply bad.

Nothing. He was already scummy EOD1 and I townread Efes play. There would be no reason to give me false feedback as town.

[Huey The Long]

The Tailor thing was a stroke of genius for a few mins by me, i didnt realise it only worked on flips but i think just the idea that MM could be Town for a few seconds could of helped my position. Frinckles whole roleswap thing really backfired in the end i think, yes efe made bad plays but like if it wasnt for Frinckles double false claim i dont think i could of justifed voting him

[Frinckles]

The Tailor thing was a stroke of genius for a few mins by me, i didnt realise it only worked on flips but i think just the idea that MM could be Town for a few seconds could of helped my position. Frinckles whole roleswap thing really backfired in the end i think, yes efe made bad plays but like if it wasnt for Frinckles double false claim i dont think i could of justifed voting him

Roleswapping with Mafia wasn't going to work out anyway. Missing a vote and having the other misplaced was the primary issue. Like Voss/Blink said; If people had qualms with the whole GS-retracting thing, it could have been handled the following day -- not with people openly counterclaiming eachother.

[Voss]

Nothing. He was already scummy EOD1 and I townread Efes play. There would be no reason to give me false feedback as town.

if mm was actually green bartender there would have been no reason for mm to claim gs and say frinckles had a real gun.

[Efekannn02]

Now that you're sober - you can make a proper EoD/G post

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Technically speaking, it wasn't mechanically proven, since Bartender can be either alignment. But yeah. It was dumb, given that MM kept on a literal counter claim against Efe. A Bartender wouldn't had done it.

@Marshmallow Marshall What's your opinion on the idea of claiming actual Bartender and making up a BS excuse why you gave Frickles a fake info?

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Huey was celebrating IRL stuff, so he wasn't there.
But I think he shouldn't influence the 33% if he was there - because that would put him on top of everyones "potential" lists. Him being the ony player who would had tried to influece a 3 way tie, I personally would be suspicious of that. And in this particular game - Huey/MM potential scumteam would be on top of everyone's lists IF same 2 people died EoD1/N1. Though, in that scenario the Mafia wouldn't had killed at night any of the "3 way tie" players.

Stealth had how many posts? 2 or something? With 0 content? I would policy lynch any player there 100/100 times, except this game - I would had policy lynched more than half the players so there's that
You don't policy lynch people? Is it your opinion that it's a bad thing to do for Town?

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@Huey The Long
You putting the idea in Efekann's head that Frickles could be a Tailor - it literally won you the game in a practically lost position. Even though it wouldn't had worked on 99% other players, it's still REALLY well played by you to pull out a win out of such a dire situation.

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Well, it's not Zero Zero. Just very close to Zero.
The idea, that you might be a Tailor and want to lynch MM, whom you tailored to look like Mafia, by counterclaiming him - it's a very attractive idea, you have to admit that.

Obviously voting you instead of MM is very very bad play by Efe, because MM literally counterclaims Efe. But it's not Zero Zero reasons as you said.

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@Efekannn02 How could you ever side with MM after this?

Thats A Lie He Didnt Put That Possiblity In My Head, I Was More Of Thinking There Was A Scum Bus Driver(Frinckles)

Blame Frinckles For Playing More Scummy Than Scum

[Efekannn02]

Thats A Lie He Didnt Put That Possiblity In My Head, I Was More Of Thinking There Was A Scum Bus Driver(Frinckles)

Blame Frinckles For Playing More Scummy Than Scum

All Huey Managed Was Becoming A Townlead Even In My Eyes And Also Lynch Frinckles With Me

[Efekannn02]

All Huey Managed Was Becoming A Townlead Even In My Eyes And Also Lynch Frinckles With Me

Townlean*

[OzyWho]

Thats A Lie He Didnt Put That Possiblity In My Head

#274+#276 begs to differ

[Voss]

There was 0 evidence of a bus driver at play given the lack of feedback and fake feedback.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

It is, yeah.
I'm curious. If MM was a green Bartender instead of a red one, what would be different? It's a bit hard to accept that it's as simple as "red one counterclaims, green one doesn't" - because that would make MMs play simply bad.

I considered claiming bartender, but not for long. Why in the world would I give a fake gun as town lol, that's anti-town as hell...

Also, I was busy IRL, and need to focus a bit more on real life, so I'm going to change my playstyle (regardless of alignment), maybe take a break with games, I'll see how it goes.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Also, @Efekannn02 , I was your counterclaim, you had to vote me lol... your role was literally the best case scenario for town against our strategy =(

You did a good job at scaring me though lol, I considered voting you for MVP before I had seen the endgame.

Good job to Huey too, you got us out of bad trouble while I was busy. GG everyone!

[Efekannn02]

#274+#276 begs to differ

OBJECTION!!

nvm Tailor only works on flips

MM die

TAKE THAT!

[Efekannn02]

#274+#276 begs to differ

Also, @Efekannn02 , I was your counterclaim, you had to vote me lol... your role was literally the best case scenario for town against our strategy =(

You did a good job at scaring me though lol, I considered voting you for MVP before I had seen the endgame.

Good job to Huey too, you got us out of bad trouble while I was busy. GG everyone!

Tbh ~~Frinckles~~ Dutes Got More In Trouble By Getting Into My Bad Side Than Huey's "Reads" "Solving" The Game

[Efekannn02]

I HATE MULTIQUOTE!

[blinkskater]

@Marshmallow Marshall claiming gunsmith as bartender and giving gun feed back is actually a pretty brilliant move.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Tbh ~~Frinckles~~ Dutes Got More In Trouble By Getting Into My Bad Side Than Huey's "Reads" "Solving" The Game

No. You had me as a complete liar, and there was ZERO reason for me to claim Gunsmith giving a gun to Frinckles if I were a town Bartender. ZERO reason, especially with the lie being kept up for so long. Please do not blame others for that.

[Efekannn02]

No. You had me as a complete liar, and there was ZERO reason for me to claim Gunsmith giving a gun to Frinckles if I were a town Bartender. ZERO reason, especially with the lie being kept up for so long. Please do not blame others for that.

Are You Trying To Call Me A Gamethrower Now?