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    S-FM Harvest Festival (14P)




    Inspired by La Cosa Nostra

    At long last, the Harvest is here! Pilgrims and Natives, cooking, eating, singing and celebrating the season together! But not all of the attendees to this event agree with it. Jealousy, greed and hate have fueled a plot to undo the festival in the upcoming days. Will the attendees be able to work together and stop these villains or will the Harvest Festival come to an end forever?

    holy shit this sucks

    So here it is, the first draft of Harvest Festival.

    Role List

    *This role list doesn't include 'flavor' naming of roles -- still working on that.

    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Sleepwalker
    Doctor
    Town Power Role
    (Caroler/Justice/Chef)

    Town Power Role
    (Caroler/Justice/Chef)

    ---------
    Mafioso
    Consort
    Heartbreaker/Actress

    --------
    Angel
    Lover


    This setup is day-start: There will be no N0 kills, checks, loves or night chats. The Mafia WILL know the names of their partners before the game begins but not their roles. The Angel will have been given a target before the day begins but does not know their role/alignment.

    Order of Operations
    Chef picks his two targets before the end of the day.
    Consort > Lover > Heartbreaker/Actress > Doctor / Angel > Caroler > Mafioso > Justice

    Basic, non-flavor Rolecards

    Spoiler : Rolecards :


    Citizen
    You are a citizen of the city.
    You have no special abilities.

    Sleepwalker
    You are citizen with a very serious sleeping disorder.
    Each night you will visit a random person and therefore cannot receive carols.
    If you are role-blocked you will not visit that night and may receive a carol that night.
    Appears as a citizen to themselves. Sleepwalkers only appear in death.

    Doctor
    You are a skilled doctor.
    Each night, you may save a player from one attack.
    You cannot heal heartbreak from love.
    You may not self heal.
    You are notified of successful healing; your target is not.

    Justice
    You are an experienced investigator.
    Each night, you may visit two players to determine if they share the same alignment or not.
    You will not learn what exactly alignment they are.
    Town-Town; Mafia-Mafia; Neutral-Neutral; Actress-Mafia (regardless of acting.)

    Chef
    You are the Chef of the Festival.
    During the day, you may allow two people to share a chat (and delicious dinner) the following night.
    You will not attend this chat.
    They will learn each-other's names but not alignment or role.


    Caroler
    Each night you may sing a song to another player.
    This song will contain three names and ATLEAST ONE of them will be a non-town player.
    If that player is visiting someone at night, they will not receive the carol.
    You do NOT hear the carol yourself.
    You may not carol the same person twice.


    Mafioso
    You are a Mafioso who will conduct each kill at night.
    Each night, you may kill a player.

    Consort
    You are an elegant but jealous Consort, working to destroy the festival.
    Each night, you may roleblock a player causing them to take no action.
    If all other Mafia members are dead, you become the new Mafioso and lose your abilities.

    Actress
    You are a skilled actress, whose work will be remember long after your death.
    Each night, you may select a player. You will learn their role. You will appear as this player's role in the Graveyard when you will die.
    This ability has unlimited charges, and disguise lasts as long as you don't visit another player.
    You may target a Mafia member.
    If the Mafioso dies, you become the new Mafioso. You will still appear as your last target's role in the graveyard.

    Heartbreaker
    You are an attractive individual afraid of commitment.
    On the first night, you may choose someone who will fall in love with you.
    You will each learn each other's names but not alignment or role.
    If you are killed by any means, they will die. If they are killed by any means, you are unaffected.
    If you fail to pick a target before day two, you will perish.
    If the Mafioso dies, you become the new Mafioso. Your target will still be in love with you.
    You cannot be role-blocked.
    This action does not count as a visit.
    Deaths from Heartbreak occur at the end of each night.


    Lover
    You are a very lovely person.
    On the first night, you may choose someone who will fall in love with you.
    You will each learn each other's names but not alignment or role.
    If you are killed by any means, they will die. If they are killed by any means, you will die.
    If you fail to pick a target before day two, you will perish.
    Your win condition is your lover's.
    You cannot be role-blocked.
    This action does not count as a visit.
    Deaths from Heartbreak occur at the end of each night.


    Angel
    You are a benevolent angel.
    At the beginning of the game, you will be given a random player who you must protect.
    At night, you may choose to protect your target. They will become night immune once & lynch immune the following day.
    If they would be lynched while protected, they will miraculously survive and the day will end; this protection also prevents death via heartbreak.
    You may use this ability only once but it can be used if you are dead.
    You win if your target survives until the end of the game, regardless of whether they win.
    You cannot be role-blocked.
    The action of protecting your target does not count as a visit.




    Primary changes from Cosa Nostra:

    Spoiler : Town Changes: :
    For the town, the suite of Cop/Doctor/Tracker/Vigilante is a classic and straightforward group of roles that work well. But for this iteration, I've gone with a less traditional lineup of Justice/Doctor/Caroler/Chef to increase interactivity among players. Justice & Caroler -- are two powerful investigative roles that can quickly compile information for the town. In this setup however, they're tempered by the addition of a third faction for their results. Chef generally has a way of forming relationships between players for better or worse while discretely sharing information. And of course, Doctor is a huge deterrence to Mafia.* Finally, Sleepwalker is functionally just a citizen when Caroler isn't in the game. When it is however, it can be used by the Mafia as an excuse for not receiving a carol.


    Spoiler : Mafia Changes: :
    Consort was kept to cast doubt onto not receiving a carol but also to directly counter justice/doctor if they make a good read. Actress gives the Mafia not only information, but a powerful misleading ability. Finally, Heartbreaker can provide an auxiliary kill to Mafia in a pinch or influence a player to consider voting in the Mafia's interests. These roles give the scum team a lot of firepower when it comes to deception.


    Spoiler : Neutral Changes: :
    So in order to address the SK issue, I've increased the amount of players by one and replaced it with two neutral roles to promote more in-fighting without increasing the KPN substantially; Lover & Angel. You might conclude that the inclusion of two neutrals over one might compound the issue SK presented but as their win conditions are directly tied to the two main factions -- it should promote more indirect interaction. The inclusion of two neutral roles helps limit the amount of mechanical information that power roles gain while allowing stronger reads from player's intentions.


    Spoiler : Q&A :
    Q: For your neutral roles, why not Executioner, Jester etc..?
    A: I think those roles could be randomized in a pool alongside Angel and Lover for sure. But as hilarious as it would be for a Lover to win alongside a Jester who was lynched, I wanted to keep this iteration more fall-flavorful. These two roles are also meant to be 'locked-in' to a certain faction in order to avoid any kingmaker situations.

    Q: Angel's target is Lover and they fall in love, what do?
    A: Lover gains the Angel's win-con of seeing their target live until the end. In a sense, it becomes a weird "two person survivor."

    Q: How exactly is a carol created?
    A: 1. Randomly pick one of eligible 'non-town players' (Mafia + Angel/Lover) then pick two random players from everyone who was alive the night of the carol. A player's name can still appear in a carol if they're dead, as long as they were killed that prior night.

    Q: Caroler doesn't seem like it has a high probability of it's carol actually REACHING the target?
    A: This is intentional. The nature of this setup is such that on the first night only 5/14 players will be eligable normally. This number increases to 6/14 or 7/14 depending on whether there is a HB. Carols can be extremely powerful. They can also be faked ;)

    Q: Justice is OP REeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
    A: Justice is indeed an extremely strong role. In this setup however, we're looking at 3 different factions and a roleblocker: this lowers the reliability of each check a bit.

    Q: What if Mafioso kills a lover who loved a heart-breaker who loved Brendan Fraser?
    A: They all die at the same time. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ This is the most amount of kills that can occur, and only once.

    Q: Does Chef's ability interrupt that person from entering, say -- Mafia night chat?
    A: No.

    Q: Why does Lover get to pick their target, but Angel doesn't?
    A: That's just how it be.

    Q: Why do Lover and Heart-breaker pick their targets on night one; isn't it normally randomly given from the beginning?
    A: I think the roles would be perceived as more fun when the players can make reads as to who they want to be locked in with. For example, if someone who is almost lynched claims a power role towards the end of D1: A Heartbreaker might be inclined to love them to ensure that a town power role dies if they're lynched. Likewise, a Lover may want to target someone who is scummy in order to avoid being targeted by the Mafia. Though they will both 'perish' if their targets aren't selected; there are no role-blocking or visitation changing roles in this setup. This is done simply to ensure a target is chosen.



    Changelog:
    GF dropped for Mafioso. Angel, Caroler, Actress updated.

    Last edited by Frinckles; November 7th, 2019 at 02:38 PM.

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    Re: S-FM Harvest Festival (14P)

    Mini Strategy Guide:

    General Town: Do your thing and scum-hunt. If you receive a carol, you may want to out it even if you or a lover are in the carol. If you were supposed to receive a carol but didn't, you're probably a sleepwalker.
    Justice: Try to target players who you feel could not be on the same team. Remember that there is a third faction.

    Caroler: Try to target players that you think or know are just citizens. Anyone moving will not receive a carol. If someone isn't producing a carol after you sang them one -- it's likely they moved at night.

    Architect: Have fun spending your night alone. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Doctor: Protect TPR reads or wifom fun-heal, who knows.


    General Mafia: Not receiving a carol is pretty bad. Framer/Actress/Heartbreaker are roles that only need to move one or two times at most. Manipulating the Carol might be more valuable than using your night action in some cases, just switch the names of players you don't want incriminated. Worst case scenario, claim Sleepwalker -- just be sure not to kill the Sleepwalker because that's uncool.
    Last edited by Frinckles; November 1st, 2019 at 01:58 PM.

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    Re: S-FM Harvest Festival (14P)

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    there being 1 sleepwalker, but 5 citizens and 2 other TPR's.
    Couldn't the Caroler be potentially OP? All it takes is a very confirmed citizen to learn the name of a Mafia player.

    Is there any reason for players to not lynch lover or heartbreaker, when they use their ability?
    Still very much under construction atm

    Framer causes thier target to be in the carol pool for mafia. Godfather will not appear in this pool.

    For lover/HB outside of potentially losing a town member, no.

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    Re: S-FM Harvest Festival (14P)

    Reviewing, will post thoughts later

    Edit: Discussed with Frinckles Via DM will re-evaluate when appropriated changes happen! <3
    Last edited by AIVION; November 1st, 2019 at 12:32 PM.

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    Re: S-FM Harvest Festival (14P)

    i'm digging it, few questions tho.

    The actress will flip another players role, but will they also flip the players alignment?

    Which mafia roles would take priority to becoming the GF if he were to say die n1?

    Mafia will never recieve a carol because all of them will use their visits?

    DO heartbreaker/lover actually visit?

    What happens if caroler sings to a mafia that for some reason DOESN'T visit?

    The caroler seems unclear to me on what kind of results and how those results come to fruition. Can you maybe clarify that role a little bit?
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    Re: S-FM Harvest Festival (14P)

    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    i'm digging it, few questions tho.

    The actress will flip another players role, but will they also flip the players alignment?

    Which mafia roles would take priority to becoming the GF if he were to say die n1?

    Mafia will never recieve a carol because all of them will use their visits?

    DO heartbreaker/lover actually visit?

    What happens if caroler sings to a mafia that for some reason DOESN'T visit?

    The caroler seems unclear to me on what kind of results and how those results come to fruition. Can you maybe clarify that role a little bit?


    An Actress who visits a Caroler, for example will return Caroler when they die. They will return a mafia alignment in the case of a Justice check. (Note: A Justice never learns what alignment the two players have, just whether they're the same or different.)

    Mafioso -> Heartbreaker/Actress -> Framer
    I'm allowing HB/Actress' abilities to stay in effect even if either turn into Mafioso

    The plan was to make them visit on the first night only, yes. For the sake of caroler I could change that.

    If the caroler sings to a Mafia who doesn't visit, they will still receive the carol. Feel free to modify it to suit your intentions. ;)

    After talking with Aivon, it's been changed to at least one non-town player so the process happens like this:
    A B C D E F G H I J K L M N
    I would take a random non town player from the pool of J K L M N. We'll pick N for this example.
    Then from the pool of ALL (living) letters, two more randoms. This could the other mafia members, L & M or any of the neutrals or any of the towns.
    We'll pick F & M. Then we randomize the order so it's N F M or M N F or F M N or whatever, really.
    The final result may look like: F M N
    The names cannot occur twice. You cannot have NNN or DNN.
    Again, it's AT LEAST one. Could be all non-towns. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    It remains to be seen whether Carols are too weak or strong if it's at least one non-Town or Mafia.
    Last edited by Frinckles; November 1st, 2019 at 09:48 PM.

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    Also, could you define what a successful heal is? Is it when you heal someone who was attacked regardless of whether or not you actually prevented their death, or does a heal have to save someone’s life to be considered successful
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    I’m thinking this Caroler role might be rather underpowered in some circumstances, and rather overpowered in others. You’re gonna need to deal with the interactions with other roles I think, as it might only be usefulin a few situations:
    you need to trust the Carolers target is actually town.
    the players outed by the Caroler need to be confirmed for the carol to provide an immediate benefit to the town

    if you have a PoE consisting of X, Y, Z and W, you’d need to know at least two of the players’ alignments to be able to derive any immediate use from the Carolers ability (via the justice).

    If there are no justices in the game, it’s possible the Carolers role won’t be terribly useful to the town.
    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    Polish my nuts and serve me a milkshake. Anyone who uses scum syntax will be lynched.

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    That being said, the Caroler can act as a Motion Detector, even if there are no Justices in this game. This alone would force the mafia to consider their role claim carefully
    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    Polish my nuts and serve me a milkshake. Anyone who uses scum syntax will be lynched.

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    Re: S-FM Harvest Festival (14P)

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    Potential unresolved interaction between two roles:
    what happens if the lover and the heartbreaker both pick the same target?
    Heartbreaker dies = They all die.
    Lover/Target dies = They die, HB is fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    Also, could you define what a successful heal is? Is it when you heal someone who was attacked regardless of whether or not you actually prevented their death, or does a heal have to save someone’s life to be considered successful
    The latter. For it to be successful damage must occur.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    How long does framing last? Does it persist past the initial night it was performed?
    Indefinitely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    are Lover-Target pairs considered to be of the same alignment? I assume they aren’t, correct?
    No they are not. They will return their normal alignments. You're correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    I’m thinking this Caroler role might be rather underpowered in some circumstances, and rather overpowered in others.
    you need to trust the Carolers target is actually town.
    the players outed by the Caroler need to be confirmed for the carol to provide an immediate benefit to the town

    if you have a PoE consisting of X, Y, Z and W, you’d need to know at least two of the players’ alignments to be able to derive any immediate use from the Carolers ability (via the justice).
    Yes, the idea behind the Carol is that it can be manipulated and that its existence, or lack of -- tells you information.

    There was a major typo in the Caroler role card, sorry about that: The carol only three names, not four.

    The Caroler's power does have a bit of RNG to it but not an oppressive amount. It will always have at least one non-town member in it. The normal variant always has at least one Mafia role in it but that maybe deemed too strong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    That being said, the Caroler can act as a Motion Detector, even if there are no Justices in this game. This alone would force the mafia to consider their role claim carefully
    Yes, this setup gives Mafia a lot of decision making to do. Framing and Acting are powerful, but not receiving a Carol does not look good. Deciding whether to move or not is key.
    Last edited by Frinckles; November 6th, 2019 at 08:58 AM.

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    Re: S-FM Harvest Festival (14P)

    Review in progress. Feel free to suggest things, everyone.

    Sleepwalker : "You are citizen with a very seriously sleeping disorder." just saying lol
    What's the Sleepwalker's flip when he dies?
    Does the Actress see him as a Citizen or as a Sleepwalker? What will she flip as if she visits him?

    Architect : Can he select himself to be part of the chat? I could see that being a thing, btw.


    Balance suggestion : Make Doctor a confirmed role in the list (replace a TPR slot with a Doctor slot). The addition of a Doctor prevents an exaggerated amount of investigatives, and balances the potential kills with the potential saves, which makes the game very interesting and skill-based. If you do that, I'd also suggest to still have Doctor as a potential TPR slot (possibility of two Doctors), and to add "cannot be healed." to the Doctor's rolecard.


    Also, I am impressed by your ability to create a fun-looking and quite balanced setup on your first attempt. The setup is looking great, and I look forward to playing it!
    @Frinckles
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    Re: S-FM Harvest Festival (14P)

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    That being said, the Caroler can act as a Motion Detector, even if there are no Justices in this game. This alone would force the mafia to consider their role claim carefully
    ^ I don't think the Caroler has issues, it's a very interesting mechanic. It is definetly not underpowered for the reason you just outlined, and I think that making it non-towns instead of mafias in the carol makes it more balanced.
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Hey peter View Post
    There are two wolves inside you. One is addicted to crack. The other one is also addicted to crack. You are addicted to crack.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    MM IS AN ANTI-VAXXER

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    Re: S-FM Harvest Festival (14P)

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Review in progress. Feel free to suggest things, everyone.

    Sleepwalker : "You are citizen with a very seriously sleeping disorder." just saying lol
    What's the Sleepwalker's flip when he dies?
    Does the Actress see him as a Citizen or as a Sleepwalker? What will she flip as if she visits him?

    Architect : Can he select himself to be part of the chat? I could see that being a thing, btw.


    Balance suggestion : Make Doctor a confirmed role in the list (replace a TPR slot with a Doctor slot). The addition of a Doctor prevents an exaggerated amount of investigatives, and balances the potential kills with the potential saves, which makes the game very interesting and skill-based. If you do that, I'd also suggest to still have Doctor as a potential TPR slot (possibility of two Doctors), and to add "cannot be healed." to the Doctor's rolecard.


    Also, I am impressed by your ability to create a fun-looking and quite balanced setup on your first attempt. The setup is looking great, and I look forward to playing it!
    @Frinckles

    Thanks for dropping by!

    Sleepwalker reveals as Sleepwalker when they die. Citizens will not know whether they're a Sleepwalker until they die.
    Actress will see him as Sleepwalker, yes. If she flips after visiting him she will appear as a Sleepwalker.
    I'd generally allow hosts the freedom over options like Architect putting himself in a night chat. I personally don't have a problem with it!
    Doctor should probably be a for-sure role in the setup, you're right.


    I appreciate the compliment! La Cosa Nostra gave me a good template to build a setup with a lot of my favorite Mafia roles. I wanted to introduce Caroler to this website because I think it's a pretty unique role with some variance. Everyone always wants to receive a carol and actually getting one feels good, especially when you're mafia. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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    Re: S-FM Harvest Festival (14P)

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    Thanks for dropping by!

    Sleepwalker reveals as Sleepwalker when they die. Citizens will not know whether they're a Sleepwalker until they die.
    Actress will see him as Sleepwalker, yes. If she flips after visiting him she will appear as a Sleepwalker.
    I'd generally allow hosts the freedom over options like Architect putting himself in a night chat. I personally don't have a problem with it!
    Doctor should probably be a for-sure role in the setup, you're right.


    I appreciate the compliment! La Cosa Nostra gave me a good template to build a setup with a lot of my favorite Mafia roles. I wanted to introduce Caroler to this website because I think it's a pretty unique role with some variance. Everyone always wants to receive a carol and actually getting one feels good, especially when you're mafia. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
    Hmm, I think that you could add a "Host will specify in the signup thread if the Architect can put himself in the chat or not", in this case, because I doubt people will think about it by themselves if you don't ;)

    Also, as we discussed in PMs, the Angel might need some changes (the lynch immunity being the bothering part, especially if it's going on a scum). Suggestions? I thought about giving the ability two charges, but removing the lynch immunity. Is that along the lines of what you'd like the Angel to be?
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Hey peter View Post
    There are two wolves inside you. One is addicted to crack. The other one is also addicted to crack. You are addicted to crack.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    MM IS AN ANTI-VAXXER

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    Re: S-FM Harvest Festival (14P)

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Hmm, I think that you could add a "Host will specify in the signup thread if the Architect can put himself in the chat or not", in this case, because I doubt people will think about it by themselves if you don't ;)

    Also, as we discussed in PMs, the Angel might need some changes (the lynch immunity being the bothering part, especially if it's going on a scum). Suggestions? I thought about giving the ability two charges, but removing the lynch immunity. Is that along the lines of what you'd like the Angel to be?
    The nature of the Angel is meant to be somewhat ridiculous but in it's current iteration, it requires good timing to prevent someone from being lynched.

    I didn't want to make its only ability giving night immunity because then it functionally becomes a neutral doctor and I'm not sure how fun that would be. Not to mention if the Angel landed on a Doctor, it could be very difficult for Mafia to win. Preventing a lynch (or mis-lynch) is certainly strong but I don't think it breaks the game depending on how it's implemented.

    After reading up a little bit on MafiaScum I think going with the alternative of letting players know at the beginning of the day if someone if lynch-proof might work.

    I'm certainly open to thoughts on it though.
    Last edited by Frinckles; November 6th, 2019 at 02:39 PM.

 

 

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