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  2. #22

    Re: S-FM Harvest Festival (14P)

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    The nature of the Angel is meant to be somewhat ridiculous but in it's current iteration, it requires good timing to prevent someone from being lynched.

    I didn't want to make its only ability giving night immunity because then it functionally becomes a neutral doctor and I'm not sure how fun that would be. Not to mention if the Angel landed on a Doctor, it could be very difficult for Mafia to win. Preventing a lynch (or mis-lynch) is certainly strong but I don't think it breaks the game depending on how it's implemented.

    After reading up a little bit on MafiaScum I think going with the alternative of letting players know at the beginning of the day if someone if lynch-proof might work.

    I'm certainly open to thoughts on it though.
    That's even better. I thought my suggestion was changing the Angel's nature a bit too much, while this works pretty well.

    As for the visiting role changes, I agree with them to the extent they were pushed (one town one scum one neutral, the scum being less powerful than Actress while taking the same slot, and the Lover because it's nicer like that for them lol).
    Last edited by Marshmallow Marshall; November 6th, 2019 at 04:51 PM.
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  3. #23

    Re: S-FM Harvest Festival (14P)

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    That's even better. I thought my suggestion was changing the Angel's nature a bit too much, while this works pretty well.

    As for the visiting role changes, I agree with them to the extent they were pushed (one town one scum one neutral, the scum being less powerful than Actress while taking the same slot, and the Lover because it's nicer like that for them lol).
    >_> actually I think imma change it to just be lover/HB not visiting. Justice is meant to visit haha.

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  5. #25

    Re: S-FM Harvest Festival (14P)

    Okay, so -- this is probably the final version and I'm willing to submit it for review.

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    Changes:

    -Framer replaced with Consort. [This was done to cast further doubt in the event that a target did not receive a carol while still giving Mafia counter-play against Doctor & Justice. Framer worked well against Justice -- but given that the setup is 14 players, a singular sleepwalker didn't do enough to keep Mafia from being trapped by a carol.]

    -Justice DOES visit, Heartbreaker and Lover do not. [This was done because claiming Justice Day 1 would be too powerful (they'd get a Carol and a free heal along with a check.) HB and Lover not visiting however, makes Carols more likely to occur. And for you romantics, perhaps you don't always need to visit someone to love them.]

    -Consort will become Mafioso last. [This was done to allow Heartbreaker or Actress to become secondary killers while maintaining their passive abilities in most cases.. and when they may still be relevant.]

    -Carols contain at least one non-town. [This was originally just at least one Mafia member -- but seemed too strong in this setup. That means one of three names will include at least Mafioso, Actress, Heartbreaker, Consort, Angel or Lover.]

    -Angel's target dying will kill the Angel. [While I was hesitant to increase the 'nuclear meltdown scenario' to four; I believe outright killing the Angel in the event of a target's death makes sense. While turning the Angel into a survivor would make life a bit easier for Angel, I had to decide against it. Survivor is a role that in some cases can become a kingmaker and I'd like to avoid that. Lover and Angel in this context are locked into an alignment -- Town or Mafia and it seems anti-competitive to not maintain that.]

    -Angel can protect their target at from night kills once, even while dead. This effect prevents them from being lynched the following day only and if they would be, the day ends in a no-lynch. [Causing the town to no-lynch (or avoid mis-lynching) may seem a bit extreme and I understand that. But I see this effect as fair for two primary reasons. 1.) It requires timing from the Angel player the night prior. 2.) It wastes a Town day OR Mafia night.]

    -Angel's protection cannot be role-blocked.

    -A single Sleepwalker. [No player will ever technically know they're a Sleepwalker outside of mechanical implications. Their role card will say Citizen and they will have no reason to believe they're anything except Citizen until they themselves die and flip as Sleepwalker. This role, similar to Consort provides an out in case Mafia members do not reveal a carol. Without a Caroler, the role is functionally pointless. Actress will learn if their target is a Sleepwalker and will appear as them in death. Consort role-blocking a target causes them to not sleepwalk.]

    -Doctor added as certain TPR. [Doctors can help town gains information and it gives Mafia an opportunity to possibly counterclaim it day 2 so making this change felt nice for consistency purposes.]

    -Lover can now technically die alone night one. [The addition of a Consort means that Lover will just die if they are role-blocked on night one. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    Final thoughts:

    This setup came out far better than my original draft and could certainly bring on an entertaining game I think. My intentions were to include roles that I liked and that really spurred trust and conflict while not pushing anyone too far into a corner.

    Perhaps in the future (or sooner) I'd like to modify the TPR lists to include one more role and perhaps get replace Architect at the same time; it's the only role that doesn't exactly have synergy I think. Was thinking of Party Host; a whole Discord server full of players currently in an FM at night sounds interesting.

    If you guys have any questions or concerns, feel free to ask!
    Last edited by Frinckles; November 7th, 2019 at 07:51 AM.

  6. #26

    Re: S-FM Harvest Festival (14P)

    Final review process!

    Some minor suggestions:

    Lover should probably be roleblock-immune. It's just really not nice to die and to lose the game on N1 because Mafia roleblocked you. If that was to happen to a player, they wouldn't exactly be happy; I advise to avoid this kind of mechanic.

    Sleepwalker : You might want to add "Can be roleblocked by Consort to stay home" or something similar in the rolecard, just for the people who don't scroll down in the discussion. And without wanting to annoy you, a very serious sleeping disorder, not a seriously sleeping disorder ;)

    About "how Caroler works" in the Q&A, it should be "pick a random non-town player[...].", and not just "pick a non-town player", because it looks like the host chooses which non-town gets his place in the carol (which is bad).

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    I'm good with the Angel lynch immunity ability, because it requires a seriously great planning from the Angel in the circumstances you put in, as you said yourself. High reward for really good plays.
    As for the Angel's death and the Survivor role being a dangerous scenario for third party non-evil kingmaker, that is completely true, good change.

    As for the Party Host idea, that sure would be fun! I don't think it fits with the point of this exact setup, though. I'm taking note of the idea, though!

    We should be good to go after reply to the suggestions listed above.
    Last edited by Marshmallow Marshall; November 7th, 2019 at 01:12 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Hey peter View Post
    There are two wolves inside you. One is addicted to crack. The other one is also addicted to crack. You are addicted to crack.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    MM IS AN ANTI-VAXXER

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  8. #28

    Re: S-FM Harvest Festival (14P)

    Alright! The rest is only flavor and visual polishing ("holy shit this sucks", etc.), so the setup is good to go. Approved.

    Note that you have to schedule the signups posting with FM Staff via PM here or on Discord, or by posting in the Hosting Order and Setup Reviewing thread (sticky thread in the Workshop).
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Hey peter View Post
    There are two wolves inside you. One is addicted to crack. The other one is also addicted to crack. You are addicted to crack.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    MM IS AN ANTI-VAXXER

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  11. #31

    Re: S-FM Harvest Festival (14P)

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    Due to delays, I'm planning on resubmitting this setup with some winter time flavor and a few added twists. Obviously this was intended to be fall oriented but man it's getting cold fast! It will need to be reapproved at that time.
    I'd say that if you're going to add new mechanics or roles, you might as well make another setup and keep this one as a valid thing. It's ultimately up to you, and you know how many changes you want to implement, but just giving my point of view there.
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Hey peter View Post
    There are two wolves inside you. One is addicted to crack. The other one is also addicted to crack. You are addicted to crack.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    MM IS AN ANTI-VAXXER

  12. #32

  13. #33

    Re: S-FM Harvest Festival (14P)

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    That's the plan. I'll lead this variant open for people to modify / use.

    The new one will largely be this setup with some added twists.
    Neat. You still want to host this specific setup, correct?
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Hey peter View Post
    There are two wolves inside you. One is addicted to crack. The other one is also addicted to crack. You are addicted to crack.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    MM IS AN ANTI-VAXXER

 

 

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