Originally Posted by
Frinckles
I haven't busted out the Legos in a while but I'll try to contribute to the topic from my point of view mostly on days one and two.. Again, some of this / my reads maybe incorrect -- but this is my recollection.
Logos: (Blind them with Science.)
As with most Mafia games, initially there isn't much to substantiate evidence against other players. And while most of us interact with each other to try to get reads, others like to rely on meta readings instead. Having not played more than 2 FM's prior and not knowing your metagames, I decided to take up against it where needed and to some town members it seemed like a logical argument. Of course metagaming has real uses but if I could promote the argument that it was a crutch, unreliable or otherwise illogical -- I'd gain town credibility.
Somewhere along the line of the first day (while we all just cruising along) Blink said something particularly strange from my point of view. While at the time -- no scum knew IF we had an Actress, Blinkskater's statement could be turned on it's head to seem like a slip if it was framed in the right light. I tried extremely hard to promote the idea that "It looked like a slip.. It sounded like a slip.. It read like a slip.. It was timed like a slip.. etc," almost causing Blinkskater to by lynched. Making compelling arguments is substantially easier when you use the other person's words against them -- and no, you don't have to twist their words out of context. Simply analyzing what Blinkskater said about an Actress and applying the knowledge (or lack of) that we all had about the game's roles would yield similar results for all parties.
Ethos (I use this in conjunction with Logos.)
At day one EOD, I feel like I had gained some credibility as a town member -- so much that people hardly read the argument as TVS but rather TVT. Seemingly players like SB16, Unknown, Rumox and a few others town-read me for or at least agreed with a logical approach. Though it wouldn't have mattered (because of the SK) I could have ridden that momentum into the next day if we hadn't killed Blink.
Day two, when mechanics came into play things changed quite a bit. I had the option of backing off MM and pivoting somewhere else but an interesting opportunity arose when Unknown managed to guess Magoroth's visitation at night:
Simply stop MM from being town-read / controlling the narrative by completely discrediting his claim in favor of my ally's (now kenny.)
We used the concept of probability/likelihood to promote Kenny as the most confirmed person there and in doing so, helped control the narrative by making him credible. It's possible without this, I would have been on the rope far quicker than Efe. Being town-read is important, but if you can take a comfortable backseat to an ally with pull: Do it.
Pathos (Not big on this one, but it has it's uses.)
For day one, Blink and myself argued in ways that were cyclical.. and tedious but he managed to avoid the rope by appealing to emotion -- if not, indirectly. There were plenty of players in that clusterfuck thinking "Awh, but I don't want Blink lynched! C'mon bro" ..and it was enough to essentially kill the Actress argument that I invested into until lategame when people got paranoid.
As an aside: I'm still not too sure how to feel about one of Blink's counterarguments during EOD. It's quite difficult to combat "yeah well, I'd be gamethrowing since I'm voting myself!" If anyone wants to give me tips on that one, I'm all ears.
Day two I postured myself to use an Efe lynch to my advantage when I knew he was about to die. Knowing he would flip as a Citizen, I planned to argue that I was the one who didn't want him lynched and instead wanted MM's head for causing a mislynch. Unfortunately, Efe tried to blitz me and I wasn't having that shit so it looked a bit awkward.. ..Also nobody really missed Efe at all so it was hard to get some emotional appeal.
Will add on more later! Gotta catch a bus. c: Feel free to respond in the meanwhile.