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  1. #41

    Re: I really really don't like

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptonic View Post
    Do you find animals with human features to be sexually attractive?
    Do you find men attractive? Do you find jews attractive? Would you not date someone because they are black?
    Helz honestly gave a good answer here. Just leave ppl be and don't try to force some therapy or red flags or whatever on them. They love their shit, being forced to stop loving can be srsly painful.

  2. #42

    Re: I really really don't like

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    Do you find men attractive? Do you find jews attractive? Would you not date someone because they are black?
    Helz honestly gave a good answer here. Just leave ppl be and don't try to force some therapy or red flags or whatever on them. They love their shit, being forced to stop loving can be srsly painful.
    What does that have to do with what I said lol?
    I specifically mention animals, and you're comparing them to jews & black people? gtfo man lol

    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader View Post
    Hey moron. shut the fuck up or I will shut you up, k? I'm not the person your going to insult and live happily ever after. K? Understand that,

  3. #43

    Re: I really really don't like

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptonic View Post
    Do you find animals with human features to be sexually attractive?
    I'll answer you completely candidly. If it's tmi that's on you XP.

    Like most guys, I definitely think there's something cute about a scantily clad girl wearing bunny ears or what have you. I find furry porn gross, but tbh I don't really like porn in general (total wierdo I know).

    I can sort of see an appeal in the anthropomorphized, beautified cartoon animal girl. I would definitely describe Holo from the anime "Spice and Wolf" as attractive. It's not something I'm super big on, though.

    I genuinely did find the bunny girl from space jam hot when I was a horny teen, but that mighta just been because I was horny.

  4. #44

    Re: I really really don't like

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    They love their shit, being forced to stop loving can be srsly painful.
    Where do you draw the line?
    If you knew of a person who was having sex with extremely young looking women while dressing them as children, or in diapers.. Obviously this would be an act between 2 consenting adults, but do you not think the Dom in this situation probably needs some support and help?

    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader View Post
    Hey moron. shut the fuck up or I will shut you up, k? I'm not the person your going to insult and live happily ever after. K? Understand that,

  5. #45

    Re: I really really don't like

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptonic View Post
    What does that have to do with what I said lol?
    I specifically mention animals, and you're comparing them to jews & black people? gtfo man lol
    Furries like people in fur suits. Or drawings of human-like figures with fur. You can't just put them all in one pile and say they'd fuck an actual animal too. That's pretty much comparable to saying ppl who play any game related to murder would commit that stuff in reality as well.

  6. #46

    Re: I really really don't like

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    Do you find men attractive? Do you find jews attractive? Would you not date someone because they are black?
    Helz honestly gave a good answer here. Just leave ppl be and don't try to force some therapy or red flags or whatever on them. They love their shit, being forced to stop loving can be srsly painful.
    I can see why you'd have that sort of reaction to Crypt, but I don't think his intention is to shame people or anything.

    I think he is (justifiably) concerned about whether furry culture is indicative of beastiality. Maybe it is. Hell, maybe the uniform thing is indicative of my latent raging paedophillia. If that's reality, so be it. We can still have a civil conversation about it and try our best to understand eachother and ourselves and work out our problems.

    We can overcome this!

  7. #47

    Re: I really really don't like

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptonic View Post
    Where do you draw the line?
    If you knew of a person who was having sex with extremely young looking women while dressing them as children, or in diapers.. Obviously this would be an act between 2 consenting adults, but do you not think the Dom in this situation probably needs some support and help?
    I'd never want anyone to get "support and help" if what they are doing is perfectly legal and harmless.

  8. #48

    Re: I really really don't like

    tbh I'm also a little curious about what this "therapy" would involve. People can't really unattract themselves from things. I hope you don't have some creepy aversion therapy in mind lol.

    p;edit surely the best you can do is equip them with the moral tools to understand what is and isn't bad, regardless of their instincts... idk

  9. #49

    Re: I really really don't like

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptonic View Post
    Where do you draw the line?
    If you knew of a person who was having sex with extremely young looking women while dressing them as children, or in diapers.. Obviously this would be an act between 2 consenting adults, but do you not think the Dom in this situation probably needs some support and help?
    I'd get worried if someone were to start getting close to actual children with sexual interests. If someone were to start conducting sexual experiments on actual animals. Then I'd want them to go through therapy, then they'd have some actual red flags I agree on.

  10. #50

    Re: I really really don't like

    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    I can see why you'd have that sort of reaction to Crypt, but I don't think his intention is to shame people or anything.

    I think he is (justifiably) concerned about whether furry culture is indicative of beastiality. Maybe it is. Hell, maybe the uniform thing is indicative of my latent raging paedophillia. If that's reality, so be it. We can still have a civil conversation about it and try our best to understand eachother and ourselves and work out our problems.

    We can overcome this!
    idc that ppl are fucking in fur suits lol. i was just saying i think there could be specific reasons for people to be doing it that people should be concerned for.
    but maybe i'm wrong; i mean, all someone who wants to fuck animals has to do is buy an animal and fuck it. so, maybe it isn't a red flag the more I look at it.

    But, I'd still be concerned for the sub in that situation if the feel so worthless that they want to be treated subhuman. it seems very depressing to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader View Post
    Hey moron. shut the fuck up or I will shut you up, k? I'm not the person your going to insult and live happily ever after. K? Understand that,

  11. #51

    Re: I really really don't like

    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    tbh I'm also a little curious about what this "therapy" would involve. People can't really unattract themselves from things. I hope you don't have some creepy aversion therapy in mind lol.

    p;edit surely the best you can do is equip them with the moral tools to understand what is and isn't bad, regardless of their instincts... idk
    I said talking to a therapist.
    so, typical therapist things. someone for you to get everything off your chest and give you coping mechanisms for your day to day life.

    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader View Post
    Hey moron. shut the fuck up or I will shut you up, k? I'm not the person your going to insult and live happily ever after. K? Understand that,

  12. #52

    Re: I really really don't like

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptonic View Post
    idc that ppl are fucking in fur suits lol. i was just saying i think there could be specific reasons for people to be doing it that people should be concerned for.
    but maybe i'm wrong; i mean, all someone who wants to fuck animals has to do is buy an animal and fuck it. so, maybe it isn't a red flag the more I look at it.

    But, I'd still be concerned for the sub in that situation if the feel so worthless that they want to be treated subhuman. it seems very depressing to me.
    That'd apply to pretty much every D/s situation and isn't really related to furries at all.

  13. #53

    Re: I really really don't like

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    That'd apply to pretty much every D/s situation and isn't really related to furries at all.
    You think so?
    I mean, most D/s relationships are more about adding structure and solidified expectations, enforced by rewards/punishments. some people thrive on order, and knowing what is expected of them day to day. Still treated like a human.

    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader View Post
    Hey moron. shut the fuck up or I will shut you up, k? I'm not the person your going to insult and live happily ever after. K? Understand that,

  14. #54

    Re: I really really don't like

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptonic View Post
    idc that ppl are fucking in fur suits lol. i was just saying i think there could be specific reasons for people to be doing it that people should be concerned for.
    but maybe i'm wrong; i mean, all someone who wants to fuck animals has to do is buy an animal and fuck it. so, maybe it isn't a red flag the more I look at it.

    But, I'd still be concerned for the sub in that situation if the feel so worthless that they want to be treated subhuman. it seems very depressing to me.
    If they wanna be treated subhuman because they feel worthless, that doesn't sound so great, I agree. It's probably not responsible to just say to people "your desires are good and you should fully embrace them" because sometimes their natural state may be bad for them.

    However, there's a degree of moral ambiguity here regarding the "be bad for them" thing. Maybe they find their lives to be fulfilling in spite of what we believe. Maybe this is the way they were meant to be, and they're getting a kind of catharsis out of addressing their insecurities like that.

    A lot of bdsm fetishes seem rooted in some kind of insecurity from both sides and perhaps some lack of self validation. That doesn't make it wrong. In fact, they may learn about themselves by exploring that.

    That said, I don't think it's responsible to just say "it is what it is we should let people find fulfillment however they see fit". I wouldn't shrug at a heroin addict who said "fuck you I think this is fulfilling".

    Idk, sorry if the flipflopping is frustrating. I just think this is genuinely a grey area XD.

    At the end of the day, we don't even have enough facilities to help all the people who are actually fucking asking for our help with their mental health. Maybe we should work on them before we consider the people who "need our help but don't realize it yet".

  15. #55

    Re: I really really don't like

    Actually I guess if you do it for like 7 years to cover up a beastiality fetish, you might eventually get bored. Then you start doing group sex to fill that hole. But it's still not enough. Your friend jim tells you about this party, and when you show up someone has brought a wolf and has subdued it then you be enticed to proceed instead of leave. Hence a support group to help keep the sex healthy.

    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader View Post
    Hey moron. shut the fuck up or I will shut you up, k? I'm not the person your going to insult and live happily ever after. K? Understand that,

  16. #56

    Re: I really really don't like

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptonic View Post
    You think so?
    I mean, most D/s relationships are more about adding structure and solidified expectations, enforced by rewards/punishments. some people thrive on order, and knowing what is expected of them day to day. Still treated like a human.
    Adding a fursuit to the D/s situation you mentioned doesn't make it subhuman. For that to happen you'd need completely different factors that could be just as easily be added without a fursuit.

  17. #57

    Re: I really really don't like

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    Adding a fursuit to the D/s situation you mentioned doesn't make it subhuman. For that to happen you'd need completely different factors that could be just as easily be added without a fursuit.
    I would be concerned in those situations as well

    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader View Post
    Hey moron. shut the fuck up or I will shut you up, k? I'm not the person your going to insult and live happily ever after. K? Understand that,

  18. #58

    Re: I really really don't like

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptonic View Post
    I said talking to a therapist.
    so, typical therapist things. someone for you to get everything off your chest and give you coping mechanisms for your day to day life.
    That's fair. I don't know if that'd change their sexuality, but it was very uncharitable of me to start imagining aversion therapy. Soz lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptonic View Post
    You think so?
    I mean, most D/s relationships are more about adding structure and solidified expectations, enforced by rewards/punishments. some people thrive on order, and knowing what is expected of them day to day. Still treated like a human.
    My experience is limited, but that doesn't really reflect a lot of what I've seen lol.

    Again, I guess it's about how you rationalize the fetish.

  19. #59

    Re: I really really don't like

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptonic View Post
    Actually I guess if you do it for like 7 years to cover up a beastiality fetish, you might eventually get bored. Then you start doing group sex to fill that hole. But it's still not enough. Your friend jim tells you about this party, and when you show up someone has brought a wolf and has subdued it then you be enticed to proceed instead of leave. Hence a support group to help keep the sex healthy.
    Tbf the more I hear about your therapy the more it doesn't sound so bad lol.

    I just think it sounds like... half of society would get as much out of it LOL

  20. #60

    Re: I really really don't like

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptonic View Post
    Actually I guess if you do it for like 7 years to cover up a beastiality fetish, you might eventually get bored. Then you start doing group sex to fill that hole. But it's still not enough. Your friend jim tells you about this party, and when you show up someone has brought a wolf and has subdued it then you be enticed to proceed instead of leave. Hence a support group to help keep the sex healthy.
    When you start thinking about group sex of the kind you are suggesting, you need therapy. When you invite a friend to a party that is about abusing his fetishes you should better fucking feel bad. When you bring an actual wolf to a sex party you should go into jail. And most importantly when someone is forced to go through something he tried to cover up for, for a whole 7 years, he'd probably go through a shock that could be bad enough to result in him having suicide thoughts afterwards. Covering up for something does in no way ever imply actually wanting that.

 

 

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