M-FM: Timmy Town

[Distorted]

Dude that LW is pinging me so fucking hard, that doesn't seem like an Auckmid LW

yeah, but i doubt mafia have 2 ppl that change LWs.

[blinkskater]

the we are looking for a role/alignment changer?

[Wiisp]

God that game is gonna give me a migraine

[Wiisp]

Bahk is the architect, his role OGI confirmed by him, and there is never two of that role... So at the very least, that role flip is fake, I'll comment more when it's less busy or I get home

[Distorted]

God that game is gonna give me a migraine

just sheep me. we lynch damus today, then depending on checks, we lynch foxes the next day. then more checks and actions will reveal the last.

[AIVION]

the we are looking for a role/alignment changer?

Mike already said that there's nothing in this game that changes your alignment.

I can dig that quote up if you want but I swear he said it

[Distorted]

Bahk is the architect, his role OGI confirmed by him, and there is never two of that role... So at the very least, that role flip is fake, I'll comment more when it's less busy or I get home

@Wiisp when u got ur rolecard though, u went and looked through the roles list a bit right?

[Distorted]

@Wiisp when u got ur rolecard though, u went and looked through the roles list a bit right?

to find ur role, comparable roles ect?

[Distorted]

Bahk is the architect, his role OGI confirmed by him, and there is never two of that role... So at the very least, that role flip is fake, I'll comment more when it's less busy or I get home

his role is confirm but not his alignment.

[Wiisp]

Auck also never cc'd bahk

[blinkskater]

Mike already said that there's nothing in this game that changes your alignment.

I can dig that quote up if you want but I swear he said it

I'm not understanding then how we have a red flip. Mafia just don't attack one of their own. Foxes and Bahk both claimed to have been also bussed. So it's not like mafia targeted someone who was bussed with Auckmid

[Wiisp]

to find ur role, comparable roles ect?

No, I read my role as tracker, it wasn't till later that I found out it was called a detective... Based off the description of my ability

[Distorted]

No, I read my role as tracker, it wasn't till later that I found out it was called a detective... Based off the description of my ability

oh so you just see who the person u target visits? not who visits ur target or both?

[AIVION]

I'm not understanding then how we have a red flip. Mafia just don't attack one of their own. Foxes and Bahk both claimed to have been also bussed. So it's not like mafia targeted someone who was bussed with Auckmid

It's hard for me to.. because another theory is that the Bus Driver is mafia aligned (which would explain why Scum!Auckmid would know what the bus driver's targets were), but if Auckmid was Actress that means he targeted Falling Foxes (who was bussed with Bahkieh, so he flipped Architect).

Yet even that boggles my mind.... >_<

[Distorted]

It's hard for me to.. because another theory is that the Bus Driver is mafia aligned (which would explain why Scum!Auckmid would know what the bus driver's targets were), but if Auckmid was Actress that means he targeted Falling Foxes (who was bussed with Bahkieh, so he flipped Architect).

Yet even that boggles my mind.... >_<

I think we can safely assume that auckmid was town. but i still want the questions i askwed towards mike to be answered. I mean, the only possible way auckmid could be mafia is if they decided to kill him intentionally and alter his role. OR a Witch got to him. but if a witch got to him why would he post a legit LW as well as his rolecard info?

[AIVION]

Chauffeur

Action: Target two players at night, swapping night actions done on each other.

I suppose it would make sense for Auckmid and The scum Bus driver (Chauffeur) to coordinate the actions, but the death however is interesting...

Is it confirmed that the mafia killed who? Is it not possible the mafia killed Srceenplay and the SK killed Auckmid?

...also didn't Auckmid recieve a vest????

[Wiisp]

If the busdriver is mafia aligned, then both the mafia rber and mafia busdriver targeted, why would they do that

[Wiisp]

Auck was confirmed to have a vest by only bahk

[AIVION]

I think we can safely assume that auckmid was town. but i still want the questions i askwed towards mike to be answered. I mean, the only possible way auckmid could be mafia is if they decided to kill him intentionally and alter his role. OR a Witch got to him. but if a witch got to him why would he post a legit LW as well as his rolecard info?

To confuse us as Actress (which would have to be his role in that instance). And it would be solidified if the Mafia has a Chauffeur.

But that's the only thing that makes me wonder...

SK killing Auckmid and mafia killing srceenplay is the only way this world could actually make sense.

[blinkskater]

I think we can safely assume that auckmid was town. but i still want the questions i askwed towards mike to be answered. I mean, the only possible way auckmid could be mafia is if they decided to kill him intentionally and alter his role. OR a Witch got to him. but if a witch got to him why would he post a legit LW as well as his rolecard info?

this is fucked.

[Distorted]

If the busdriver is mafia aligned, then both the mafia rber and mafia busdriver targeted, why would they do that

nah its not mafia aligned BD i wont really put any more thought into that being a thing. htinking it through, there is just too many variables that make no sense. every single theory revolved around it requires MULTIPLE tinfoil theories to be correct to make it even a possible scenario.

[AIVION]

If the busdriver is mafia aligned, then both the mafia rber and mafia busdriver targeted, why would they do that

There in lies the issue with my theory too... the N1 conundrum...

1.) They did that on purpose to confuse us (Which is a stretch xD)

OR

2.) The roleblocker is actually not mafia and went to target Damus instead of you. (since you and Damus were switched N1).

[Distorted]

this is fucked.

how so?

[AIVION]

There in lies the issue with my theory too... the N1 conundrum...

1.) They did that on purpose to confuse us (Which is a stretch xD)

OR

2.) The roleblocker is actually not mafia and went to target Damus instead of you. (since you and Damus were switched N1).

But if that was the case why wouldn't they reveal this?

It's concerning... and confusing.

[Distorted]

There in lies the issue with my theory too... the N1 conundrum...

1.) They did that on purpose to confuse us (Which is a stretch xD)

OR

2.) The roleblocker is actually not mafia and went to target Damus instead of you. (since you and Damus were switched N1).

I already verified with mike that RB comes before the bus. so the RBed person who is targetted will always be the RB target (unless witch or a role that switches actions)

[blinkskater]

how so?

because something's not adding up here Mafia just don't kill their own in the night...

[Distorted]

what i mean by "a witch got to him" is a witch got to the GF or whoever was being used for the night kill, and made him target the BD. but then even after that, his LW is revealing true info to town for some reason, but his role is different meaning that they still changed his role with knowning the witch.

those are the only 2 possible theories i can think of where he is mafia BD. how else would mafia have killed their own, switched his role, not intentionally?

[Distorted]

because something's not adding up here Mafia just don't kill their own in the night...

exactly, thats why i assume hes town BD, and mafia just used their changing role ability. no real point wasting more thought on it is what my post is saying. he was town BD.

[AIVION]

I already verified with mike that RB comes before the bus. so the RBed person who is targetted will always be the RB target (unless witch or a role that switches actions)

Oh well nvm my theory = Debunked.

[Distorted]

nah its not mafia aligned BD i wont really put any more thought into that being a thing. htinking it through, there is just too many variables that make no sense. every single theory revolved around it requires MULTIPLE tinfoil theories to be correct to make it even a possible scenario.

@blinkskater

[AIVION]

what i mean by "a witch got to him" is a witch got to the GF or whoever was being used for the night kill, and made him target the BD. but then even after that, his LW is revealing true info to town for some reason, but his role is different meaning that they still changed his role with knowning the witch.

those are the only 2 possible theories i can think of where he is mafia BD. how else would mafia have killed their own, switched his role, not intentionally?

A witch, huh?

3 Neutrals in this game wouldn't be a stretch... so It's possible?

[Distorted]

Oh well nvm my theory = Debunked.

yeah, that threw me off to d1, thts why i asked him about it.

[Distorted]

A witch, huh?

3 Neutrals in this game wouldn't be a stretch... so It's possible?

...u have sworn ur allegiance to the town! I know that evil text there...........that leads to betrayal and rebellion.

[blinkskater]

exactly, thats why i assume hes town BD, and mafia just used their changing role ability. no real point wasting more thought on it is what my post is saying. he was town BD.

...... THE RED FLIP DOESN'T ADD UP

[Distorted]

...... THE RED FLIP DOESN'T ADD UP

all they did is switch his role to "mafia architect".

[Wiisp]

Again tho, if the busdriver is alive and well, and town, then he is gamethrowing if he does not claim today

[Distorted]

all they did is switch his role to "mafia architect".

if mike confirms that those roles cant change alignmetns, well now we have a whole different story going on. but until those are confirmed, im assuming it was exactly that. mafia changed his role/alignment to mafia architecet from town BD.

[blinkskater]

Aite i'm not gonna think about this till I have 3-4 drinks in me

[Distorted]

Again tho, if the busdriver is alive and well, and town, then he is gamethrowing if he does not claim today

exactly.

[AIVION]

...u have sworn ur allegiance to the town! I know that evil text there...........that leads to betrayal and rebellion.

xD I know I have.

What do you mean by evil text though?

[AIVION]

all they did is switch his role to "mafia architect".

.............D-does that work?

I suppose if that is actually possible... then It's an explanation at least.

[Distorted]

xD I know I have.

What do you mean by evil text though?

I can picture you saying that while making the finger pyramid of evil contemplation.

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4487d27...7-347bbbe44e8b

[AIVION]

I can picture you saying that while making the finger pyramid of evil contemplation.

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4487d27...7-347bbbe44e8b

LOL :P

I would never!

Looks suspiciously away

[Wiisp]

I want everyone who hasn't given a decent reason why they scum read someone currently alive, excluding falling and Damus, to ISO someone they think is scummy and tell me why they are scum, regardless of what ever mechanical claim they may have said

[AIVION]

I want everyone who hasn't given a decent reason why they scum read someone currently alive, excluding falling and Damus, to ISO someone they think is scummy and tell me why they are scum, regardless of what ever mechanical claim they may have said

Does Efekannn count?

:3

[Wiisp]

@Distorted
Why do u want to lynch Damus?

-vote distorted

[Distorted]

I want everyone who hasn't given a decent reason why they scum read someone currently alive, excluding falling and Damus, to ISO someone they think is scummy and tell me why they are scum, regardless of what ever mechanical claim they may have said

excluding falling and damus? my 2 biggest scumreads? lol

[blinkskater]

Wiisp one more time can you give me a lowdown of all your RP information? in one post that'd be cool

[blinkskater]

excluding falling and damus? my 2 biggest scumreads? lol

I'm onto something with Damus here

[Distorted]

@Distorted
Why do u want to lynch Damus?

-vote distorted

Because Damus is usually a very heavy pusher. He also does not take any form of scumpainting; he pushes back hard. This is especially true when it comes to me. me and him have had some heated debates in FM games, usually as TvT. Right now, I see him dodging me. He keeps reading me as scum, but not really pushing. he backs down from arguments and accusations I make at him. This is not like him at all. He keeps comments revolving me around, but yet wont actually take the initiative to push me - that is showing cautious play. He will wait for others to first.

He has said my play is off all game, since D1, but never voted me UNTIL i was a heavy leading train.


Falling Foxes is another scumread because his scum game is fking identical to mine. he is doing TA constantly, but not pushing anyone. he is not leaving any opportunity to misread due to playstyle or opinions. everything he is doing he is basing off of "sound logic" using TA software to develop reads. that is a very safe strategy for scum. He also is avoiding grudge reads, so he will be a top townread on most peoples lists. The only real towny thing ive seen him do is use the TA to push eclipse - well eclipse flipped town. can we judge him based off that flip? no, because he used TA as his theory behind it, and the TA made sense.

He is not forming reads off of peoples play style but rather just basic pattersn, which, if skewed right anyones patterns can be scummy.