I feel like I'm arguing against a defense attorney that knows his client is scum but has to do his best to defend them...
I feel like I'm arguing against a defense attorney that knows his client is scum but has to do his best to defend them...
Yes, I will admit I was wrong. But no one even made an effort to provide a counter train to MM. No scumhunting what so ever, pretty hard to base my own reads when no one is talking.
Any idea why Eclipse said he knew who the bus driver was? I noticed that Eclipse wasn't on the MM train nor did he try to stop it, he kept it as a null read, something scum would rather do when there is a mislynch happening
Not just your vote, but your opinion. Game went over 24 hours with very little posts. Wanted to make sure I hear more voices than the Mike v. Yayap feud here before I cast my vote, and make sure we actually have the town around to do the votes necessary to accomplish a lynch, instead of me enabling a turbo. With 3 mafia alive, it only takes one misplaced town vote for a turbo to end the game in mafia's favor.
Tbf I forgot that Ganelon existed. Nvm.
Actually, Glip brings up a good point.
Lets entertain the idea that I am scum for a second.
If I'm scum - does this make Efe Town and a mislynch since I heavily pushed for it?
was Efe voted by town or scum?
Efekannn02(4): Yayap, Ganelon, Kenny, Glip
It took 4 votes to lynch at the end of day, 5 being majority. So if scum wanted to mislynch Efe, then you are pretty much saying that ganelon is my team mate (which I wouldn't argue against since I did claim he isn't on same team as mike) who is my other teammates? Arsonist - since I appear to be defending him vs Eclipse?
Part 1 of today being
Yayap, Ganelon, Arsonist (3 votes) vs Kenny, Glip, Eclipse, Mike and Efe (5 votes)
Making part 2 of today
Yayap, Ganelon, Arsonist (3 votes) vs Kenny, Glip, Eclipse and Mike (4 votes)
If I were scum, why wouldn't I just use my gun n3 to kill Efe? It would have been a safe way for me to use the gun and not be suspected for killing town. Or why would I tell you I had a gun in the first place? If I am scum, I must be a scum sheriff - because no one is CCing that claim. Wouldn't it be easier for me to get mislynches just by claiming no matches on people then blame them for being scum in past instead of the whole roleblocked routine? Why wouldn't I kill Kenny at night? The one person who is actively using reason to defend my scumreads - remove Kenny and town have no one to listen to that has anything intelligent to say.
This is literally the only senario that could be plausible and it has enough holes in it that I'm surprised that you still hold it more possible than Mike being scum.
Now if Efe was scum with me - then you are saying 2 mafia buddies lynched their own instead of unvoting and getting an instant GG.
Now, if you think I am town sheriff - then the vote against Efe is much more possible to be full town and no scum. Mike, Eclipse and Arsonist are not on that vote.
Efekannn02(4): Yayap, Ganelon, Kenny, Glip
If its a 4 man team, then it's obvious and easy. If its a 3 man team then you have to sort out who of the 3 left is the townie -
Mike AND Eclipse can't both be town is my main argument.
You don't want to turn on Mike, fine then you must turn on Eclipse...
Did you leave out Glip in your math there? In the off-chance that Efe was a mislynch, there would still be the possibility of a Ganelon, Glip, Arsonist team, if I were to not count you. Your argument on Eclipse being scum in the first place also was largely based on Efe actually having been a proper mafia lynch.
Now that you mentioned that gun again, @Yayap , I just realized I forgot something. Did you discuss targets with Damus? A player of his caliber would definitely build up some wifom to secure where the shot would be going. Can you explain where that happened?
After all, there is also the fact that you only claimed to Mike privately, and you only revealed your gun publicly after Damus died.
No, Damus did not discuss targets - he blind trusted me with it.
Thinking that Mike was town after our chat, I gave him all the information he needed with a lesser risk of mafia knowing I had it - revealing that I got a gun publicly could have had a negative impact,
1- it was early and we hadn't confirmed if witches were in the game,
2- my sudden shift of read on Damus would reveal that I had extra info on him, keeping his role concealed was in his best interests - had he not died n2, I would not have revealed that I had the gun when I did but thought town should know his role to decide which reality was best for them. I would have used it more in codded communications to see who got it one n2.
I'll take some time to explore your Ganelon, Glip, Arsonist team which only fits if Efe was town.
does anyone have the end of day 3 vote count - forgot to write that down in my notes before it got reset.
In that case, there is no evidence that you even got a gun to begin with. Damus' role was not just gunsmith, but cross-reality gunsmith, fake-claiming to have received a gun holds many advantages in looking a lot more towny. The fact that his role is cross-reality and has also been brought up in the past would make it easy to get away with that claim, even if noone were to flip that in the present.
For 1) there are many ways to communicate without letting others know that you are even discussing with each other. It is very unlikely that a witch would catch on and on top of that also start thinking that you have received a gun.
2) You have proven often enough this game that you can conceal your reads. I can't seriously believe that you would actually prefer hiding over playing and proving skill through good communication.
The only way for me to know that Damus was gunsmith before he was revealed was if I got a gun - I was bus driven in the past with present day ganelon n1 = Damus could give guns in present = I have the gun in the present.
As for coded msgs using codes made out of game / older games, I'm against cheating. The only coded signals I use is thought prediction, I try to put myself in their shoes and figure out what they want me to do. Damus made it clear that he was using that gun to test my alignment based on what I did with it, the fact he didn't say anything about it before the end of the day shows he trusted me enough since there is no last wills for him to out me if he died. And the fact I code msged it to Mike made it impossible for me to use it without anyone knowing (something I would not have done if I were scum planning on killing Damus that night).
@Kenny
What is your game here? You seem to be trying to do your best to discredit Yayap without making any outright claims. What’s your main theory here, and where would you have your vote?
True - but we didn't. As even you said - you couldn't find anything that would even suggest that we tried to communicate other than his role reveal to me. And the fact that I scumread him in the past - I wasn't going to take any chances that he gave me a fake/explosive gun until I saw his flip d3 confirming that he wasn't evil gunsmith in the past.
Kenny is just following my out of game advice concerning my meta Glip - never fully trust Yayap isn't scum manipulating you. The fact that he is having a logical discussion with me is a nice change of pace from the omgus. I don't mind having to fight to gain his confidence - its what every town person should do instead of sheeping. He is also throwing out other ideas that no one else has considered, and we are ironing them out to see which is more plausible than the other.
Apparently, Kenny is still trusting Mike - which puts a huge hole in any of my reads against anyone I put forward to him. I think it's obvious mike is scum - he does not.
My gut feeling is that Ganelon would not have minded Efe being lynched day 3 if Ganelon was scum and Efe was town - it was an easy target to mislynch imo. Instead Ganelon went back to the Yayap vs Mike. Which would have been a possible lynch if Kenny were open to it.
And if Glip were scum, I would suspect him to be more reckless with his vote d3 on anyone of the d3 trains: Me, Mike and Efe would all be town in your glip, ganelon and arsonist team. Instead he didn't vote - which if he didn't have time to catch up, is more of a townie move than blind sheeping. He had a perfect way out of looking scummy for being on a mislynch that day.
And if those 3 were the mafia, then lynching mike d3 with Slaol and myself would almost garentie that I look scummy d4 and take the fall for it - Kenny would have made sure of it. So, I don't think ganelon+glip are scum buddies.
without doing a full review of the thread - that is my initial feelings on those 2. If you find something damning either of them, I may take the time to reconsider but rather not take the amount of time it takes me to examine everything from scratch when I know that mike+ganelon is not s/s and I'm 99% sure on Mike. You'll need to convince me why you think Mike can be town first.
oh and also I already voted Eclipse and there hasn't been a turbo lynch on him... only ganelon hasn't been online since I voted.
It’s very late at night for me and I’ve pretty much only read the game from the point I subbed in with any degree of thoroughness. My issue is, I’m going to be busy most all day tomorrow and I may not make it back before EoD. If I’m being honest, I was hoping I’d see a good argument out of you for where I should put my vote, since I know we’ll need it to pull off another lynch today. It looks to me like you’re taking Mike’s side against Yayap, but are afraid to come out and say it directly.
Let me help.
-vote Yayap
If you want to lynch Yayap, the vote is yours. Otherwise, I’ll try to find time in the morning to check on your input.
-vote Yayap
I'll post full setup information soon and open the game thread up to post game. I'll also give more personal thoughts at a later point. In the mean time...
The Mafia has won a perfect victory!
Congratulations to Kenny, Eclipse and Glip.
Final Player Status:
Alive
Eclipse(Cross Reality Consigliere) - Survived
Glip(Consort) - Survived
Kenny(Mafioso) - Survived
Dead
Mike(Socialite) - Endgamed
Arsonist(Citizen) - Endgamed
Ganelon(Citizen) - Endgamed
Yayap(Reality Consistency Sheriff) - Lynched Day 4
Efekannn02(Citizen) - Lynched Day 4
Bahkieh(Citizen) - Modkilled Day 4
Slaol(Citizen) - Killed Night 3
Damus_Graves(Cross Reality Gunsmith) - Killed Night 2
Marshmallow Marshall(Cross Reality Bus Driver) - Lynched Day 2
Light_Yagami(Citizen) - Killed Night 1
Additional setup note: The definite majority of cross reality roles were concentrated in this reality. Only one of these types of roles existed in the 20 Years Ago reality.
Complete Role Assignment
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Note: Stealthbomber was replaced by Slaol, The Lawyer was replaced by Arsonist and Banshis was replaced by Glip
Night Actions
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All Role Cards
The format for some of them got moved a bit, but they should all still be readable.
Spoiler : Eclipse :
Spoiler : TheLawyer :
Spoiler : Efekannn02 :
Spoiler : Banshis :
Spoiler : Kenny :
Spoiler : Yayap :
Spoiler : Damus_Graves :
Spoiler : Marshmallow Marshall :
Spoiler : Mike :
Spoiler : Light_Yagami :
Spoiler : Stealthbomber :
Spoiler : Bahkieh :
Spoiler : Ganelon :
Last edited by Auckmid; March 11th, 2019 at 01:43 AM.
I'll post night chats and more post game thoughts tomorrow. Additionally, I'll try to make the night actions picture easier to read.
In the mean time, feel free to discuss the game. Please keep it civil!
Congrats Kenny - you deserve this win having fooled me. Overall, the only thing that I enjoyed this game was arguing with you, the overall apathy and lurkyness/afks ruined this game.
Good setup Auckmid - really liked the twist of having to identify which reality I was getting the scum vibes from, and thx for all your hard work in finding all the replacements that you did.
I don't have anything nice to say to town players other than Damus so I'll refrain from making further comments.
Also LOL giving Damus a toy gun in the past. He must have made improvements on it to make it a real gun in the present.
Do you know what's funny? Light as town shooting me in past, a reality which I greatly preferred, but then not only is he lynched in present, but he gets to be completely removed from the game by majority choosing present. What a twist!
Game was a bit confusing, I was clueless many times, it wasn't just an act.
Mikey felt like a passionate townie so I'll remember him fondly.
If light hadn't shot you in past, I would have voted past.
Magoroth and Yayap are the most aggressive and dumbest people I ever have seen in FM besides Rachyl
Welp atleast I was right with one scumread actually 2 but kept shifting through the two
You guys threw the game for lynching the only Neutral Claim on mylo you cannot blame me anything if there is something to blame then on you
I love OMGUSes
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Inactivity is also to be blamed thank you townies for falling to my traps only scums should do you just ruined the game for me
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Further advice: when someone is getting ''trained'' by every active person dont assume only townies vote for him cause in reality either all voters were scums or the scums were lurking to keep a low profile.
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Scum team well done. Kenny that night chat well played telling me to push 20years ago. Well played. Eclipse also well played.
Do Not open this spoiler under any condition!!!!!!!
Spoiler : :
Tbh Kenny and Glip slipped alot but only one of them was able to fit into my scumreads due to Magoroth and Yayap's aggressivity/stupidity
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Gg wp.
I enjoyed this as a relaxed no-spam game with no stressful situations and an unaggressive town without any sudden lynches from unexplained gut-reads like we've seen in the past few games.
I had arguably one of the best role-combos I could have gotten and played it fully with a focus on the scum-reality. Definitely had some luck this game too. Overall though I'd say I did convince everyone there was to convince here. The inactive players didn't leave the best taste on the game, but they weren't the reason for the town-loss.
Mike and Yayap's plays both made perfect sense to me. It was evident at a time that there was a very likely scum between us 3, Glip later on, of all people, was the one who pointed out why. Most people would've tunneled in that situation. I've stayed out of it to maintain the tunnel.
Apart from that the townies were killed off based on how much of a threat they can pose. Don't think there's much more to say about the survivors. Efe had legitimate scumreads on him, coming not only from me, but others as well. He was actually lynched because he was bad for the town, not because of the scum pushing him.
GG, very well done scums, and Yayap! I played pretty badly, blame my real life... Sorry for that.
I didn't really follow the game after my death, but by the pre-convergence plays:-vote Kennyfor MVP.
I agree. I definetly would like to see more activity in next games, but that was partially my fault so next games should be better ;)
The game wasn't decided on town's inactivity, though, which is really great. Mafia actually won this game, instead of just... taking the win because noone's there.
This game was very enjoyable, and I believe that the nature of the setup helped making it a game where everyone is forced to think, and where turbolynching is just bad bad bad for everyone.
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People say that once I start playing serious im automatically scum
I hope you guys enjoy lynching the ''scum'' every game
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Welp Efekannn02 Threw The Game By Playing Not According To His ''Meta'' (THAT DOESNT EVEN ACTUALLY EXIST) Which Is Not Taking The Game Serious At All Times Except As Scum
Great Now Where Are The Actual FM Games With Higher Difficulty Spikes?
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I'd like to apologize to Auckmid. Sorry for replacing out after I assured you I could make the time to play. Life just kind of caught up to me. Forgot about the game and even if I remembered I wouldn't have been able to make time to play.
You didn't play bad per say, it's just with so little reads to go on day 2 I was forced into a situation of no lynch vs a weak scum read on you... No one offered any counter train and scum had checked you n1 and knew your role.
The narrative I was looking at, when you mentioned that scum had no kills - it was the only "slip" that I saw and I pushed it.
After looking at the roles, my big post against eclipse was 100% dead accurate concerning reads. His buddying Mike was Tmi instead of scum buddies. If Mike had helped me against eclipse, it would have been the only way for me to reconsider my read on Kenny. Glip was just too new for me to form a read on him.
Efe could have been a big help if I saw his scum partner and the scum chat.