S-FM The Werewolf Ball [Game Thread]

[Chick-fil-A]

Hello, i won a ticket to this ball at my local bank Looking forward to getting to know you all. Also, what is this vote counter for? Are we voting for the best costumes?

This is a cannibalistic ball, didn't you know? The one with most votes gets sacrificed and eaten by the rest. I find it extremely hot.

[McDonalds]

This is a cannibalistic ball, didn't you know? The one with most votes gets sacrificed and eaten by the rest. I find it extremely hot.

ah, i see... contestants will be removed from the area and replaced with a fine meal. I love these kind of games! Makes me wonder what reward the winner is going to get.

[Pizza Hut]

Okay, so I am having a very hard time making anything of this thread...


The dominant topic throughout the day has been around character name/RP and arguments about whether everyone should reveal this information about themselves.

RP aside, I see no reason why we should not be sharing our names at the moment. Refusal to do so is absolutely anti town. More information never hurts town.

This is just a recent prominent example, but this sentiment has been followed by a lot of players throughout the recent part of the thread. While it is absolutely possible that RP may end up being beneficial to the town, the general point that Starbucks brought up earlier is an important one, which is that RP information may also end up benefiting scum. Unless anyone has any information that disproves this idea, no town member can make the absolute statement that revealing personal information will end up benefiting the majority.

Also, a couple of other things;


@Subway

Scumreading me makes no sense, just saying lol

Are you saying with this statement that due to the high likelihood of people with special win cons that trying to find scum using the traditional methods serves no purpose, or that you are so pro-town that anyone reading you as scum makes no sense?



@Chick-fil-A


At the beginning of the day, you seemed quite taken aback when Dairy Queen revealed his RP name and seemed to be suggesting that it was a hasty decision...

You're very quick to reveal your role name. They may have some uses you are not aware of.

However, later on, your attitude toward RP revealing seemed to change significantly so that you seemed far more in favor of it...

If your RP is not important you could just tell us and see if we actually can put it into use.

Is there anything that triggered this change of heart, or do you think that it is unfair to suggest that this in a flip in attitude?


Lastly, there is virtually no chance that there will be a lynch within 12 hours, seeing how no lynch trains have even started at this point. Even if one did start gaining some momentum, there isn't enough time to effectively analyze the responses of the person being trained. Therefore...

-unvote

[Chick-fil-A]

Okay, so I am having a very hard time making anything of this thread...


The dominant topic throughout the day has been around character name/RP and arguments about whether everyone should reveal this information about themselves.



This is just a recent prominent example, but this sentiment has been followed by a lot of players throughout the recent part of the thread. While it is absolutely possible that RP may end up being beneficial to the town, the general point that Starbucks brought up earlier is an important one, which is that RP information may also end up benefiting scum. Unless anyone has any information that disproves this idea, no town member can make the absolute statement that revealing personal information will end up benefiting the majority.

Also, a couple of other things;


@Subway



Are you saying with this statement that due to the high likelihood of people with special win cons that trying to find scum using the traditional methods serves no purpose, or that you are so pro-town that anyone reading you as scum makes no sense?



@Chick-fil-A


At the beginning of the day, you seemed quite taken aback when Dairy Queen revealed his RP name and seemed to be suggesting that it was a hasty decision...



However, later on, your attitude toward RP revealing seemed to change significantly so that you seemed far more in favor of it...



Is there anything that triggered this change of heart, or do you think that it is unfair to suggest that this in a flip in attitude?


Lastly, there is virtually no chance that there will be a lynch within 12 hours, seeing how no lynch trains have even started at this point. Even if one did start gaining some momentum, there isn't enough time to effectively analyze the responses of the person being trained. Therefore...

-unvote

I was quite surprised because names are important for me but he literally revealed himself in his first post.

However, in the second post I don't talk about revealing names but your RP background. Which is different in some way so I don't think you really can compare those two things.


Also, don't underestimate the power of turbo-lynching

[Chick-fil-A]

The main reason we're not revealing background and names that easy (at least for me) is that there may be people interested on us.

Which could be good... or bad.

[Popeyes]

Spoiler : Chick-fil-A :

I was quite surprised because names are important for me but he literally revealed himself in his first post.

However, in the second post I don't talk about revealing names but your RP background. Which is different in some way so I don't think you really can compare those two things.


Also, don't underestimate the power of turbo-lynching

The main reason we're not revealing background and names that easy (at least for me) is that there may be people interested on us.

Which could be good... or bad.

You're very quick to reveal your role name. They may have some uses you are not aware of.

Okay... Julien Wagstaff, tell me about yourself and maybe I'll consider revealing you my name.

Roles are unique. Our names are our roles. Is that enough? Also, in S-FM Chicago names were quite relevant.

Why should I "come" for you?

You obviously forged a role background, there's nothing else to say. It's clear that you're hiding something. However, I won't talk more about this if you don't wish so. Cause I'm a bright Star.

I see... I'm also interested on you as well. I just hope this doesn't prove to be a toxic relationship... where I end dead.

Your werewolf avatar doesn't help as well.

Maybe for you. Some roles may interact with other roles... where names are really important. Or you may have some information about a certain name, etc.

I was quite surprised because names are important for me but he literally revealed himself in his first post.

However, in the second post I don't talk about revealing names but your RP background. Which is different in some way so I don't think you really can compare those two things.


Also, don't underestimate the power of turbo-lynching

The main reason we're not revealing background and names that easy (at least for me) is that there may be people interested on us.

Which could be good... or bad.

You're very quick to reveal your role name. They may have some uses you are not aware of.

Okay... Julien Wagstaff, tell me about yourself and maybe I'll consider revealing you my name.

Roles are unique. Our names are our roles. Is that enough? Also, in S-FM Chicago names were quite relevant.

Why should I "come" for you?

You obviously forged a role background, there's nothing else to say. It's clear that you're hiding something. However, I won't talk more about this if you don't wish so. Cause I'm a bright Star.

I see... I'm also interested on you as well. I just hope this doesn't prove to be a toxic relationship... where I end dead.

Your werewolf avatar doesn't help as well.

Interesting suggestion Subway.

I recommend everyone to explain WHAT are they doing in the ball. You know, so we get to know each other. ;)

Didn't you say you were an important role and your death was of no interest to anyone?

Huh

Chick-fil-A is obviously information hoarding. This syntax reads like open wolfing and TPR hunting. These posts I have quoted also read like Chick-fil-A is playing the middle ground. Also note that Chick-fil-A did not follow through with their promise of revealing more info about themselves once Dairy Queen did the same.

[Chick-fil-A]

Spoiler : Chick-fil-A :

Chick-fil-A is obviously information hoarding. This syntax reads like open wolfing and TPR hunting. These posts I have quoted also read like Chick-fil-A is playing the middle ground. Also note that Chick-fil-A did not follow through with their promise of revealing more info about themselves once Dairy Queen did the same.

I believe everyone is keeping information to themselves. Also, Dairy Queen did not reveal good and nice information as I expected so I decided not to as well. Anyway, if I had to share information with anyone it would be DQ and only DQ. Sad thing I can't generate a private chat.

[Chick-fil-A]

Also, you didn't introduce yourself.

Nice to meet you, Popeyes. Mind choosing a different avatar that is not an ugly mouse?

[Popeyes]

I believe everyone is keeping information to themselves. Also, Dairy Queen did not reveal good and nice information as I expected so I decided not to as well. Anyway, if I had to share information with anyone it would be DQ and only DQ. Sad thing I can't generate a private chat.

You never specified wanting "Good and Nice information". Additionally when you got the additional information you didn't express disappointment or approval and you certainly didn't prompt Dairy Queen for anything more.
What is your response to the second half of my post where I called you an open wolf and someone who TPR hunts?

[Chick-fil-A]

You never specified wanting "Good and Nice information". Additionally when you got the additional information you didn't express disappointment or approval and you certainly didn't prompt Dairy Queen for anything more.
What is your response to the second half of my post where I called you an open wolf and someone who TPR hunts?

Well, I believe its implicit that I want acceptable information and not utter shit. I didn't prompt DQ for more because I don't think he'll say more that what he's already said.

I don't consider me an open wolf nor TPT hunter. I'm more of a role hunter

[Popeyes]

Well, I believe its implicit that I want acceptable information and not utter shit. I didn't prompt DQ for more because I don't think he'll say more that what he's already said.

I don't consider me an open wolf nor TPT hunter. I'm more of a role hunter

I will note this as agreement that you are TPR hunting.

[Chick-fil-A]

I will note this as agreement that you are TPR hunting.

Role hunter.

[Chick-fil-A]

Role hunter.

Lore hunter**

[Taco Bell]

Dominos
Chipotle
KFC
Burger King
Pizza Hut
Dairy Queen
Chick-fil-A
Papa Johns
Subway
Wendys
Jack in the Box
Starbucks
Popeyes
Taco Bell
McDonalds
Arbys


The orange have not even posted yet If i am not mistaken.

[Taco Bell]

Dominos
Chipotle
KFC
Burger King
Pizza Hut
Dairy Queen
Chick-fil-A
Papa Johns
Subway
Wendys
Jack in the Box
Starbucks
Popeyes
Taco Bell
McDonalds
Arbys


The orange have not even posted yet If i am not mistaken.

Day is half way gone.

[Papa Johns]

I believe that Starbucks vs Dairy Queen is a TvT matchup at the moment despite the way they seem to accuse eachother. I believe atleast one party has views that are actually different from the surface views that they are offering up. I will not be pursuing either of those today.

Who I do find a bit suspicious is Chipotle who readily hardclaimed citizen, or so he says. We'll see about the honesty of his claim at a later date but currently this is a little bit of an anti-town move in my books.

Regarding the RP and name reveals I see arguments for both sides. I believe in many cases the specific RP is less important than the names but in those other cases it'll be even more revealing than the name could ever be, revealing this readily might be heavily anti-town. This I say while thinking back to how Cryptonic's last setup went down.

Thus I'm choosing to reveal my name atleast. Milford Pusser, pleased to make your acquaintance.

[Dairy Queen]

Well, I believe its implicit that I want acceptable information and not utter shit. I didn't prompt DQ for more because I don't think he'll say more that what he's already said.

I don't consider me an open wolf nor TPT hunter. I'm more of a role hunter

You're right about that.

I do want to state that I don't think you are what we would call TPR hunting in this thread. Your choice wording on the matter is understandable and I'm vaguely intrigued.

Role hunter.

Lore hunter**

LOL

[KFC]

Spoiler : Chick-fil-A :

Chick-fil-A is obviously information hoarding. This syntax reads like open wolfing and TPR hunting. These posts I have quoted also read like Chick-fil-A is playing the middle ground. Also note that Chick-fil-A did not follow through with their promise of revealing more info about themselves once Dairy Queen did the same.

Excuse me, what? There's a far cry between "I think this guy is acting scummy" and "This guy is literally openly a scum, acting obviously as a scum with no intent to hide". Open wolfing is more what Starbucks believed DQ was doing at the start. It takes an absurd amount of scum painting to try and apply that to Chick-fil-a's posts so far.

[Dairy Queen]

Spoiler : Chick-fil-A :

Chick-fil-A is obviously information hoarding. This syntax reads like open wolfing and TPR hunting. These posts I have quoted also read like Chick-fil-A is playing the middle ground. Also note that Chick-fil-A did not follow through with their promise of revealing more info about themselves once Dairy Queen did the same.

I agree with your progression here with CFA about how he seem's to be playing the middle ground. I believe I even mentioned something like that earlier with similar words. How ever I disagree with you on the syntax, I don't find it to be open wolfing because it seems there's more substance to his words then what appears on the outside.

[Taco Bell]

Oh my, look at this motley, dirty crew.
Is this a ball or a farm?
Euugh, these decorations are drab...

Oh my god, how times have changed
This girl must be blind or completely deranged
But I suppose no one can party
Much like me: Bobbi Thorne!

You converse, but that’s just a jest
As when this ball is put to the test
It will surely fail because
I didn’t make it. Bobbi Thorne!

Poor Antonia didn’t prepare for judges
I hope this goes well or she’ll be down with the drudges
This “dingy” theme must have put her in a trance
Not a chance
My dear these curtains you’ve draped on the wall
Look like with the wind they are going to fall
Is this a plate or a ball?
You need help from me: Bobbi Thorne!

Do you fools really think this ball is cool?

I have no info on Bobbi Thorne

I believe that Starbucks vs Dairy Queen is a TvT matchup at the moment despite the way they seem to accuse eachother. I believe atleast one party has views that are actually different from the surface views that they are offering up. I will not be pursuing either of those today.

Who I do find a bit suspicious is Chipotle who readily hardclaimed citizen, or so he says. We'll see about the honesty of his claim at a later date but currently this is a little bit of an anti-town move in my books.

Regarding the RP and name reveals I see arguments for both sides. I believe in many cases the specific RP is less important than the names but in those other cases it'll be even more revealing than the name could ever be, revealing this readily might be heavily anti-town. This I say while thinking back to how Cryptonic's last setup went down.

Thus I'm choosing to reveal my name atleast. Milford Pusser, pleased to make your acquaintance.

I have no info on Milford Pusser

[KFC]

I have no info on Bobbi Thorne





I have no info on Milford Pusser

Do you have info on 16 names? Or is your information incomplete?

[Taco Bell]

Do you have info on 16 names? Or is your information incomplete?

No just a few names Just people i saw when I came to this ball. My be info just for RP. It is in RP format.

[Dairy Queen]

I believe that Starbucks vs Dairy Queen is a TvT matchup at the moment despite the way they seem to accuse eachother. I believe atleast one party has views that are actually different from the surface views that they are offering up. I will not be pursuing either of those today.

Who I do find a bit suspicious is Chipotle who readily hardclaimed citizen, or so he says. We'll see about the honesty of his claim at a later date but currently this is a little bit of an anti-town move in my books.

Regarding the RP and name reveals I see arguments for both sides. I believe in many cases the specific RP is less important than the names but in those other cases it'll be even more revealing than the name could ever be, revealing this readily might be heavily anti-town. This I say while thinking back to how Cryptonic's last setup went down.

Thus I'm choosing to reveal my name atleast. Milford Pusser, pleased to make your acquaintance.

Nice you meet you Mr. Pusser. I can think of a few possible reasons from a town perspective that would coordinate with Starbucks' actions. However I find them to be highly selfish and ANTI town in an overall mindset, which leads me to believe there were better ways to go about his "gambit" if he is actually town. Although if his reasoning , if he ever actually explains it aligns with what I'm currently thinking then I actually would be more inclined to town read him, but I don't think he'll ever explain.

[Popeyes]

Excuse me, what? There's a far cry between "I think this guy is acting scummy" and "This guy is literally openly a scum, acting obviously as a scum with no intent to hide". Open wolfing is more what Starbucks believed DQ was doing at the start. It takes an absurd amount of scum painting to try and apply that to Chick-fil-a's posts so far.

Rolehunting = TPR hunting.
TPR hunting = open wolf
Wolf has more benefit to “role hunt” than villager

I agree with your progression here with CFA about how he seem's to be playing the middle ground. I believe I even mentioned something like that earlier with similar words. How ever I disagree with you on the syntax, I don't find it to be open wolfing because it seems there's more substance to his words then what appears on the outside.

More substance != villager syntax.
I am willing to listen to arguments against my POV so if you want to play devils advocate please proceed

[Dairy Queen]

No just a few names Just people i saw when I came to this ball. My be info just for RP. It is in RP format.

I don't recall you properly introducing yourself, but you are fast to divulge information on other guests.

Ms. Throne and Mr. Pusser, you don't know of them OK, that's fine and dandy, but you seem to know who I am, and what you've said coexists with what I know so you seem to be telling the truth about what you know of me. It would be a curious thing to find out If you ring any bells in my head.

[Taco Bell]

Nice you meet you Mr. Pusser. I can think of a few possible reasons from a town perspective that would coordinate with Starbucks' actions. However I find them to be highly selfish and ANTI town in an overall mindset, which leads me to believe there were better ways to go about his "gambit" if he is actually town. Although if his reasoning , if he ever actually explains it aligns with what I'm currently thinking then I actually would be more inclined to town read him, but I don't think he'll ever explain.

I still do not see why everyone town reads Starbucks. Dude is scummy. He comes in very disrupting. Attacking in a way that feels TPR hunting. Yet adds a few flavor posts to make people read him as town. I do not trust Subway at all.

[KFC]

No just a few names Just people i saw when I came to this ball. My be info just for RP. It is in RP format.

Ah, interesting. With you yourself being the performer who was here when day started, it would seem your info would be mostly about people who were here before the ball officially started...

It would be an intriguing line of questioning to see the lore behind why those people were here. Would you care to share what type of RP info you have about others, without revealing actual names?

Rolehunting = TPR hunting.
TPR hunting = open wolf
Wolf has more benefit to “role hunt” than villager

More substance != villager syntax.
I am willing to listen to arguments against my POV so if you want to play devils advocate please proceed

While I do believe "role hunting" was meant more as "role at this party/lore for being here", I do concede that the information could be used for TPR hunting as well as scumhunting. I'm only disagreeing with the use of the term "open wolf" as it, to my understanding, basically means someone who has openly declared themselves scum while still playing to their win condition. Perhaps I'm wrong here, and "open wolf" is merely supposed to mean "Oh I think this action here is REALLY scummy". Please clarify the syntax for me so I can better understand your arguments.

[Taco Bell]

I don't recall you properly introducing yourself, but you are fast to divulge information on other guests.

Ms. Throne and Mr. Pusser, you don't know of them OK, that's fine and dandy, but you seem to know who I am, and what you've said coexists with what I know so you seem to be telling the truth about what you know of me. It would be a curious thing to find out If you ring any bells in my head.

OOG Crypt why did you make me a Chick ??? LOL

ok in game

Name is Libby Lewis

[Dairy Queen]

Rolehunting = TPR hunting.
TPR hunting = open wolf
Wolf has more benefit to “role hunt” than villager

More substance != villager syntax.
I am willing to listen to arguments against my POV so if you want to play devils advocate please proceed

Well, even at face value I don't find it to be TPR hunting because he's taking valuable names and valuable role play into consideration to try and solve the game, wolfs don't need to try and solve the game villagers do. His "middle ground" is what strikes me as odd but I can see town sided gambits there. Of course there could be scum sided ones also but that's not what i'm getting from him ATM.

[Papa Johns]

Nice you meet you Mr. Pusser. I can think of a few possible reasons from a town perspective that would coordinate with Starbucks' actions. However I find them to be highly selfish and ANTI town in an overall mindset, which leads me to believe there were better ways to go about his "gambit" if he is actually town. Although if his reasoning , if he ever actually explains it aligns with what I'm currently thinking then I actually would be more inclined to town read him, but I don't think he'll ever explain.

Of course there are a few things he could say while explaining his actions that'd easily put him on my figurative shit-list but the way I'm reading into this it's enough to make me call you both town for now. I understand how he read a NE into your slot but I'm also seeing something else beyond this in your interactions as well as the things you've said so far afterwards that makes me currently think neither of you is scum.

[Dairy Queen]

I still do not see why everyone town reads Starbucks. Dude is scummy. He comes in very disrupting. Attacking in a way that feels TPR hunting. Yet adds a few flavor posts to make people read him as town. I do not trust Subway at all.

You quickly sheeped subways vote on me earlier, what changed with your progressions on him to not trust him??

[Taco Bell]

Ah, interesting. With you yourself being the performer who was here when day started, it would seem your info would be mostly about people who were here before the ball officially started...

It would be an intriguing line of questioning to see the lore behind why those people were here. Would you care to share what type of RP info you have about others, without revealing actual names?



While I do believe "role hunting" was meant more as "role at this party/lore for being here", I do concede that the information could be used for TPR hunting as well as scumhunting. I'm only disagreeing with the use of the term "open wolf" as it, to my understanding, basically means someone who has openly declared themselves scum while still playing to their win condition. Perhaps I'm wrong here, and "open wolf" is merely supposed to mean "Oh I think this action here is REALLY scummy". Please clarify the syntax for me so I can better understand your arguments.

No, I do not believe that would help town, as it would allow scum to use that information for cover. It is best if people give out info so I can confirm or deny it. I believe this is why I am mayor with only 1 vote. My power is info not votes.

[Dairy Queen]

OOG Crypt why did you make me a Chick ??? LOL

ok in game

Name is Libby Lewis

The name doesn't ring my metaphorical bell. Although I do hope there are additional females attending this ball.

[Popeyes]

In my mind open wolf is actions/words that are scum beneficial and not attempting to hide your intent

[Papa Johns]

Well, even at face value I don't find it to be TPR hunting because he's taking valuable names and valuable role play into consideration to try and solve the game, wolfs don't need to try and solve the game villagers do. His "middle ground" is what strikes me as odd but I can see town sided gambits there. Of course there could be scum sided ones also but that's not what i'm getting from him ATM.

Town can't solve the game the same way scum can though. There'll always be a lot more uncertainty when town tries their hand and at the same time scum gets all the tools to peg the TPRs and remove important threats. Trying to solve the game like that is heavily anti-town. Just saying that's possible, not necessarily that this is what Chick-fil-A was doing.

[Papa Johns]

I still do not see why everyone town reads Starbucks. Dude is scummy. He comes in very disrupting. Attacking in a way that feels TPR hunting. Yet adds a few flavor posts to make people read him as town. I do not trust Subway at all.

He wasn't being disrupting, he was being aggressive for the sake of being able to pressure, something you seemingly don't know how to do as someone else pointed out earlier as well. Wasn't that Starbucks even?

[Papa Johns]

I still do not see why everyone town reads Starbucks. Dude is scummy. He comes in very disrupting. Attacking in a way that feels TPR hunting. Yet adds a few flavor posts to make people read him as town. I do not trust Subway at all.

Also you meant to say Starbucks at the end instead of Subway, right?

[Taco Bell]

You quickly sheeped subways vote on me earlier, what changed with your progressions on him to not trust him??

Quiclky sheeped? Go back and read post and time stamps, Before you embarrass yourself with that statement. Also I have not once changed my view on him.

[Popeyes]

BTW, Call me Jonah

[Dairy Queen]

Town can't solve the game the same way scum can though. There'll always be a lot more uncertainty when town tries their hand and at the same time scum gets all the tools to peg the TPRs and remove important threats. Trying to solve the game like that is heavily anti-town. Just saying that's possible, not necessarily that this is what Chick-fil-A was doing.

Your thought process seems genuine, and you are trying to push us in the direction of critical thinking.

Here's a beer, let us dance.

[Chick-fil-A]

The name doesn't ring my metaphorical bell. Although I do hope there are additional females attending this ball.

Do you have more interest in females?

[Dairy Queen]

Quiclky sheeped? Go back and read post and time stamps, Before you embarrass yourself with that statement. Also I have not once changed my view on him.

Are you talking about Starbucks or Subway....?

[Taco Bell]

Also you meant to say Starbucks at the end instead of Subway, right?

Yes sorry you are 100% correct, theses going to get concussing Starbucks and Subway .

[Taco Bell]

Quiclky sheeped? Go back and read post and time stamps, Before you embarrass yourself with that statement. Also I have not once changed my view on him.

I was thinking you talking about Starbucks.

[Dairy Queen]

Do you have more interest in females?

Nowadays one can't be sure going by name alone, one must give it the old "Steve Irwin" to know for sure. But based on appearance alone I'd say yes.

[Chick-fil-A]

Nowadays one can't be sure going by name alone, one must give it the old "Steve Irwin" to know for sure. But based on appearance alone I'd say yes.

I see. Also, just to confirm, you got no idea how or why you got here right?

[Dairy Queen]

I was thinking you talking about Starbucks.

Oh, then disregard that post, because I was talking about Starbucks because of ...

I still do not see why everyone town reads Starbucks. Dude is scummy. He comes in very disrupting. Attacking in a way that feels TPR hunting. Yet adds a few flavor posts to make people read him as town. I do not trust Subway at all.

[Taco Bell]

Also you meant to say Starbucks at the end instead of Subway, right?

This guy has to be town. He so could have ran with this if scum. Putting PJ in my town block.

[Dairy Queen]

Oh, then disregard that post, because I was talking about Starbucks because of ...

Fuck subway, now i'm fucking confused. FUCK

[Dairy Queen]

I see. Also, just to confirm, you got no idea how or why you got here right?

Correct.