S-FM The Werewolf Ball [Game Thread]

[KFC]

Im not the one leaning on a forum code technicality

You are the one dodging my prompt, however. Care to explain what you were doing last night?

[Chipotle]

Why should we even trust the hostess? for all we know the hostess could have a secret win-condition to see all the guests killed.

This kind of thinking is extremely anti-town and I want to bring even more attention to it. I don't like how you supposedly architected a claimed TPR and acted as a jailor figure. I especially don't like how you immediately revealed you weren't jailor.

-vote McDonalds

Leaving this here for now.

Side note: What the hell was that will, Pizza Hut? That was some of the worst shit I've read in a while. "Oh he's asking people to reveal rolecards well only scum would want rolecard info" get the fuck out. In no world would scum try to solve the game like that.

[KFC]

This kind of thinking is extremely anti-town and I want to bring even more attention to it. I don't like how you supposedly architected a claimed TPR and acted as a jailor figure. I especially don't like how you immediately revealed you weren't jailor.

-vote McDonalds

Leaving this here for now.

Side note: What the hell was that will, Pizza Hut? That was some of the worst shit I've read in a while. "Oh he's asking people to reveal rolecards well only scum would want rolecard info" get the fuck out. In no world would scum try to solve the game like that.

-vote Chipotle

Care to provide any more evidence of why you think Mickey D is scum other than you disagree with his night action, and discrediting your accuser?

[Chipotle]

-vote Chipotle

Care to provide any more evidence of why you think Mickey D is scum other than you disagree with his night action, and discrediting your accuser?

Do you disagree with me on Pizza Hut?

McDonalds has not added much to the discussion other than his night action, which I believe was scummily placed. Today I don't actually see much else I could read him for.

[Dairy Queen]

I am back and in much better spirits then before.

[Dairy Queen]

This kind of thinking is extremely anti-town and I want to bring even more attention to it. I don't like how you supposedly architected a claimed TPR and acted as a jailor figure. I especially don't like how you immediately revealed you weren't jailor.

-vote McDonalds

Leaving this here for now.

Side note: What the hell was that will, Pizza Hut? That was some of the worst shit I've read in a while. "Oh he's asking people to reveal rolecards well only scum would want rolecard info" get the fuck out. In no world would scum try to solve the game like that.

I agree with you to a tee on your explanations of pizza hut, I also would like to hear more from the McDee's interaction.

[KFC]

Do you disagree with me on Pizza Hut?

McDonalds has not added much to the discussion other than his night action, which I believe was scummily placed. Today I don't actually see much else I could read him for.

Pizza Hut may have been stuck miles up his own ass, but “lol that’s dumb” is not a proper counter argument. You haven’t bothered to add much to the discussion today either, and it’s worrisome that your first contribution is a poorly thought through distraction vote without having read and weighed in on today’s discussion.

[Dairy Queen]

Pizza Hut may have been stuck miles up his own ass, but “lol that’s dumb” is not a proper counter argument. You haven’t bothered to add much to the discussion today either, and it’s worrisome that your first contribution is a poorly thought through distraction vote without having read and weighed in on today’s discussion.

Not defending McDee's here but my first thought when I read Pizza Huts LW was to slightly vomit =P

[Dairy Queen]

I'm actually vaguely intrigued on what you think about start of the day Mr Kentucky Fried Chicken?

[Starbucks]

You are the one dodging my prompt, however. Care to explain what you were doing last night?

Tomorrow or later. Based on pure math. Just focus on Popeye and dont eat the food until we know whats up okay?

[Dairy Queen]

So quick PEG on my thoughts atm: According to wendys some body fucked with the food, I agree with this sentiment. Next thing i'm going to say I agree with is that starbucks is likley town, just read his posts, if you can't see why I'd be happy to discuss it in a non disclosing way. next, TACO, POPEYES., and BK are extremley scummy based on RP, thread chat, and "information" that they have been spitting. Nobodys had a legit list of reads yet, give me a few minutes and you'll get mine.

[Popeyes]

Dairy Queen suggests that they can only win alone #9
Dariy Queen suggests that they are Escort/Veteran #12, #14, #17
Dairy Queen suggests that players can have multiple wincons #754
Dairy Queen was asked by Subway if Dairy Queen is looking for a lover, Dairy Queen responded by saying they cant answer that question #283, #285
Dairy Queen has alluded to being a lover several times throughout the daythread.

Wendys train gained huge traction within 30 minute timeframe vs Starbucks train who gained 5 votes over a much longer period of time. This suggests that there is scum support on the Wendys train. The fact that the train occured during a very short timeframe gives additional comfort to scum looking to trigger votes on a townie without gaining suspicion on themselves.

Starbucks reasons. Entirely too much boatrocking and standoffish remarks that draw attention onto himself. High potential for Neutral in this slot but does not read as possible wolf. Starbucks has been focused on Dairy Queen and Taco Bell all of day 1. Starbucks has made references to holding KFC, Chick-fil-A, Papa Johns in high regard. Biggest opprotunity for Starbucks to be wolf would be if Dairy Queen was also wolf this game. The potential for bussing is very high with those two.

Taco Bell is revealed mayor.
Taco Bell is playing both sides of Starbucks/Dairy Queen. #247, #253
Taco Bell suggests that they know there are multiple scum teams and a NK #265
Taco Bell prompted KFC for thoughts on Dairy Queen and never responded #254
Taco Bell has stated that Mr Simon, Thats my last name, was aruging with Mrs wagstaff about a family curse. Then later brought up the name of Mr Simmon, not my last name, and said that is the name that had an argument on a family curse. Taco Bell also stated believing that Wendys was Mr Simmon.

My Lock Town:
Starbucks
Papa Johns
Subway
Popeyes

Strong Town Lean:
KFC
Pizza Hut
Taco Bell
Chipotle

Townish Read:
Arbys

Scum Reads:
Chick-fil-A
Burger King
Jack In the Box
McDonalds
Dairy Queen

AFK:
Dominos

Dead:
Wendys

[Chipotle]

Pizza Hut may have been stuck miles up his own ass, but “lol that’s dumb” is not a proper counter argument. You haven’t bothered to add much to the discussion today either, and it’s worrisome that your first contribution is a poorly thought through distraction vote without having read and weighed in on today’s discussion.

I have not contributed to the day because I have not been able to contribute to the day because I have not been able to view the thread. Do I need to counteract Pizza Hut's last will? There was no pressure on me prior to my post. It seems that the common consensus is that he was incorrect.

My vote was with no intention of distracting or derailing. I wish to not add my vote to popeyes because there is no reason for me to add it there. The pressure applied is plenty. Why would I risk a turbolynch by placing him on L-3? What would I add by placing him there? What would I add by not voting? Conversely, what have I added by voting McDonalds? This conversation. I'm getting reads on you and on DQ just by both of you being here and reacting and/or choosing not to react. I'm sure you're both formulating on me more than if I hadn't voted him. Votes are important. Would you have preferred me not voting him, instead denouncing him and, in your own words, "discrediting" him? What is the proper play?

To summarize
1. Why do you feel I need to add a counterargument to Pizza Hut's will?
2. What would I add by aiding the Popeyes train?
3. What would I be adding by not voting right now.

[Burger King]

This kind of thinking is extremely anti-town and I want to bring even more attention to it. I don't like how you supposedly architected a claimed TPR and acted as a jailor figure. I especially don't like how you immediately revealed you weren't jailor.

-vote McDonalds

Leaving this here for now.

Side note: What the hell was that will, Pizza Hut? That was some of the worst shit I've read in a while. "Oh he's asking people to reveal rolecards well only scum would want rolecard info" get the fuck out. In no world would scum try to solve the game like that.

I agree with you to a tee on your explanations of pizza hut, I also would like to hear more from the McDee's interaction.

Quite the contrary, I think Pizza Hut was spot on with everything he said. I have an idea which part Chipotle objects to, but I'd be interested to hear what specific parts of PH's LW you disagree with, Dairy Queen.

[Popeyes]

Those are from my notes.
I am not poisoning any food.
I am pressed for time. I am coming back later and can continue to talk then.

Im a Citizen in this setup.

[Chipotle]

Quite the contrary, I think Pizza Hut was spot on with everything he said. I have an idea which part Chipotle objects to, but I'd be interested to hear what specific parts of PH's LW you disagree with, Dairy Queen.

Pizza Hut was definitely not spot on because Papa John flipped town. Although I will admit I was entertaining the opportunity of him being a potential wolf.

[Dairy Queen]

Dairy Queen
Subway
Starbucks
KFC



Chick-Fil-A
Jack In The Box

NULL
Dominoes
Chioptle



Taco Bell
Burger King
Popeyes
McDonalds
Arbys

[Chipotle]

Pizza Hut was definitely not spot on because Papa John flipped town. Although I will admit I was entertaining the opportunity of him being a potential wolf.

Him referring to Papa John.

[Chick-fil-A]

Why does your name sound familiar, Julien Wagstaff?

[Burger King]

Dairy Queen suggests that they can only win alone #9
Dariy Queen suggests that they are Escort/Veteran #12, #14, #17
Dairy Queen suggests that players can have multiple wincons #754
Dairy Queen was asked by Subway if Dairy Queen is looking for a lover, Dairy Queen responded by saying they cant answer that question #283, #285
Dairy Queen has alluded to being a lover several times throughout the daythread.

Wendys train gained huge traction within 30 minute timeframe vs Starbucks train who gained 5 votes over a much longer period of time. This suggests that there is scum support on the Wendys train. The fact that the train occured during a very short timeframe gives additional comfort to scum looking to trigger votes on a townie without gaining suspicion on themselves.

Starbucks reasons. Entirely too much boatrocking and standoffish remarks that draw attention onto himself. High potential for Neutral in this slot but does not read as possible wolf. Starbucks has been focused on Dairy Queen and Taco Bell all of day 1. Starbucks has made references to holding KFC, Chick-fil-A, Papa Johns in high regard. Biggest opprotunity for Starbucks to be wolf would be if Dairy Queen was also wolf this game. The potential for bussing is very high with those two.

Taco Bell is revealed mayor.
Taco Bell is playing both sides of Starbucks/Dairy Queen. #247, #253
Taco Bell suggests that they know there are multiple scum teams and a NK #265
Taco Bell prompted KFC for thoughts on Dairy Queen and never responded #254
Taco Bell has stated that Mr Simon, Thats my last name, was aruging with Mrs wagstaff about a family curse. Then later brought up the name of Mr Simmon, not my last name, and said that is the name that had an argument on a family curse. Taco Bell also stated believing that Wendys was Mr Simmon.

My Lock Town:
Starbucks
Papa Johns
Subway
Popeyes

Strong Town Lean:
KFC
Pizza Hut
Taco Bell
Chipotle

Townish Read:
Arbys

Scum Reads:
Chick-fil-A
Burger King
Jack In the Box
McDonalds
Dairy Queen

AFK:
Dominos

Dead:
Wendys

How is Starbucks both a "likely neutral" and a "lock town" for you?

[Burger King]

Pizza Hut was definitely not spot on because Papa John flipped town. Although I will admit I was entertaining the opportunity of him being a potential wolf.

He was wrong about PJ being scum, but his reasoning for scum reading PJ was 100% correct. The things he pointed out about PJ were incredibly scummy behaviors. I don't blame PH for thinking PJ was scum, I blame PJ for playing so scummy as town.

[Dairy Queen]

Quite the contrary, I think Pizza Hut was spot on with everything he said. I have an idea which part Chipotle objects to, but I'd be interested to hear what specific parts of PH's LW you disagree with, Dairy Queen.

His whole LW was narcissistic BS on how he thinks the game should be played based off his word and his world alone being the abolsute and right way that the game should be played.d, a bible for what he put so much effort into, it left us 0 RP informations, and 0 Information about his role, which helps scum in the long run because they now have more to work with after another dead town. I also found it laughable how he concocted this whole ordeal about how papa johns was scum, went on to explain it in detail, then ending it with I could be wrong.... And what we should do as town and then papa jonny flipped town LOL

[Dairy Queen]

Why does your name sound familiar, Julien Wagstaff?

To you?

[Popeyes]

Potential =\= how I am reading him.

[KFC]

I have not contributed to the day because I have not been able to contribute to the day because I have not been able to view the thread. Do I need to counteract Pizza Hut's last will? There was no pressure on me prior to my post. It seems that the common consensus is that he was incorrect.

My vote was with no intention of distracting or derailing. I wish to not add my vote to popeyes because there is no reason for me to add it there. The pressure applied is plenty. Why would I risk a turbolynch by placing him on L-3? What would I add by placing him there? What would I add by not voting? Conversely, what have I added by voting McDonalds? This conversation. I'm getting reads on you and on DQ just by both of you being here and reacting and/or choosing not to react. I'm sure you're both formulating on me more than if I hadn't voted him. Votes are important. Would you have preferred me not voting him, instead denouncing him and, in your own words, "discrediting" him? What is the proper play?

To summarize
1. Why do you feel I need to add a counterargument to Pizza Hut's will?
2. What would I add by aiding the Popeyes train?
3. What would I be adding by not voting right now.

1. You don’t necessarily need to add a counter argument to PH’s LW, but it is odd that you recognized the FoS on you and felt you needed to respond by saying “lol he’s stupid, no one agrees with what he’s saying about me, right? Good, don’t need to worry about it.”

2. You are correct that aiding the Popeyes train would only just put him in danger of being turbolynched; I didn’t ask you to do this. In fact, if you had read the thread, I specifically advised against putting more votes on Popeyes for just such a reason.

3. I never asked you to not vote, either. I asked you to read the thread and contribute to discussion. You completely ignored the FoS on Popeyes. You ignored the fact that Starbucks claimed to target me last night, and I was pressuring him to reveal what he did. You ignored the discussion between Subway/DQ/MD about how MD verbatim claimed his win condition. From my perspective, you jumped into the thread, didn’t bother to read everything that happened, saw pressure building against Popeyes, and decided to throw some pressure toward someone that was receiving criticism by voting them and parroting the already-said criticism without contributing any analysis of your own.

I’m not here to tell you how to play, I’m just here to say how I find your play thus far very suspect.

[Chipotle]

He was wrong about PJ being scum, but his reasoning for scum reading PJ was 100% correct. The things he pointed out about PJ were incredibly scummy behaviors. I don't blame PH for thinking PJ was scum, I blame PJ for playing so scummy as town.

What I fail to follow is his reasoning for me being scum.

No one has any issues with this? Does this guy think that revealing TPRs is a good thing? Is he just saying something that he thinks seems pro-town, so doesn’t put any thought into what he is actually saying? Is he scum who knows more then the town about the importance of RP? He made this post immediately after his first one, which meant that he had only just begun showing activity. Therefore, there is a high chance he hadn’t really read through the entire thread, and making a statement like this before having a thorough read points to this statement being based off of information outside of the thread, meaning he knows more then the average town member.

Lets go through this step by step, to appease both your thirsty ass and KFC.

1. Revealing RP is not the same as revealing role. Revealing RP leads to confirming town, as shown with Antonina. It does not lead to confirming role, as shown with Papa Johns. This is also the exact case with S-FM Chicago, our only viable source of reference for this game, after which he literally polled the participants of for advice on hosting this setup. If you have not read Chicago, go read Chicago. The games are eerily similar. After you're done, go read M-FM Castle Varen. RP is something that Cryptonic is known for indulging in. It is the very blood of this setup, and him stating that is not by the end of D1 is just plain ignorant.

2. He states that I made this post right after my first. Which shows I had only just begun showing activity. These are both correct. he then proceeds to reach farther than marth's grab range in super smash bros melee by saying that I likely hadn't read the setup yet. There is literally no way for him to know that. His dislike of me sharing RP is based entirely on a single possibility of me being a bad player. He may be right but I'm not the one making scumreads based on a single moment of player activity. The last guy who did that got modkilled.

[Dairy Queen]

He was wrong about PJ being scum, but his reasoning for scum reading PJ was 100% correct. The things he pointed out about PJ were incredibly scummy behaviors. I don't blame PH for thinking PJ was scum, I blame PJ for playing so scummy as town.

You saying it was scummy behavior doesn't make it scummy behavior. Because I will make the case and say his behavior was towny, And I do blame PH for thinking PJ was scum. For you to say it's PJ's fault for playing scummy as town is absurd, maybe you should learn how to interpret town/VS scum better?

[Chipotle]

1. You don’t necessarily need to add a counter argument to PH’s LW, but it is odd that you recognized the FoS on you and felt you needed to respond by saying “lol he’s stupid, no one agrees with what he’s saying about me, right? Good, don’t need to worry about it.”

2. You are correct that aiding the Popeyes train would only just put him in danger of being turbolynched; I didn’t ask you to do this. In fact, if you had read the thread, I specifically advised against putting more votes on Popeyes for just such a reason.

3. I never asked you to not vote, either. I asked you to read the thread and contribute to discussion. You completely ignored the FoS on Popeyes. You ignored the fact that Starbucks claimed to target me last night, and I was pressuring him to reveal what he did. You ignored the discussion between Subway/DQ/MD about how MD verbatim claimed his win condition. From my perspective, you jumped into the thread, didn’t bother to read everything that happened, saw pressure building against Popeyes, and decided to throw some pressure toward someone that was receiving criticism by voting them and parroting the already-said criticism without contributing any analysis of your own.

I’m not here to tell you how to play, I’m just here to say how I find your play thus far very suspect.

1. Well I did it anyway lol

2. This is fair. No refutation. You are correct.

3. This is the bit that I take issue with. How is me commenting on any of these things with things that have been stated in the thread (because I have nothing interesting to add to any of the topics you stated here) pro-town? In particular the part where MD claims his win-condition is absolutely not helpful to discuss at all. I see where your perspective is but take a moment and see it from mine. My commentary is unhelpful and repetitive. My opinion is not prominent. I am sitting in the middle of every single read list. I lack strong reads on several of the top posters. Good way to do that? Throw out a vote on someone I don't like, see if it sticks. This is reaction hunting. If a wagon had built up on McD you bet your ass I would've backed off. You defending him draws a line connecting you two in my mind. If one flips scum, the other one may be as well.

I've been reading. But I haven't been able to participate. I process best when I participate. What better way to participate than to throw out a left field opinion? Oh look, I did that day 1 as well! That's the whole topic of Pizza Hut's will! Funny how this all connects, isn't it?

[Dairy Queen]

What I fail to follow is his reasoning for me being scum.



Lets go through this step by step, to appease both your thirsty ass and KFC.

1. Revealing RP is not the same as revealing role. Revealing RP leads to confirming town, as shown with Antonina. It does not lead to confirming role, as shown with Papa Johns. This is also the exact case with S-FM Chicago, our only viable source of reference for this game, after which he literally polled the participants of for advice on hosting this setup. If you have not read Chicago, go read Chicago. The games are eerily similar. After you're done, go read M-FM Castle Varen. RP is something that Cryptonic is known for indulging in. It is the very blood of this setup, and him stating that is not by the end of D1 is just plain ignorant.

2. He states that I made this post right after my first. Which shows I had only just begun showing activity. These are both correct. he then proceeds to reach farther than marth's grab range in super smash bros melee by saying that I likely hadn't read the setup yet. There is literally no way for him to know that. His dislike of me sharing RP is based entirely on a single possibility of me being a bad player. He may be right but I'm not the one making scumreads based on a single moment of player activity. The last guy who did that got modkilled.

Oh man, Your point #1 I agree with because having played in chicago I've been there done that. RP Info has already proved to be HUGE in this game, and prior games also, so you can't excuse the fact that it doesn't mean anything, there's webs of interconnections and it's up to us to try and decipher it.

Now onto point # 2 it simply comes down to the fact that you can't base a hard read on a few posts because what's posted in text doesn't always convey the meaning someone is trying to put across the playing field. Minimal posters are the hardest ones to read properly because the more a player posts the more his intent, emotions, alignment, agenda become more clear and again it's up to us to try and decipher what the fuck is going on based on that.

All in all +1 Towny point

[Dairy Queen]

1. Well I did it anyway lol

2. This is fair. No refutation. You are correct.

3. This is the bit that I take issue with. How is me commenting on any of these things with things that have been stated in the thread (because I have nothing interesting to add to any of the topics you stated here) pro-town? In particular the part where MD claims his win-condition is absolutely not helpful to discuss at all. I see where your perspective is but take a moment and see it from mine. My commentary is unhelpful and repetitive. My opinion is not prominent. I am sitting in the middle of every single read list. I lack strong reads on several of the top posters. Good way to do that? Throw out a vote on someone I don't like, see if it sticks. This is reaction hunting. If a wagon had built up on McD you bet your ass I would've backed off. You defending him draws a line connecting you two in my mind. If one flips scum, the other one may be as well.

I've been reading. But I haven't been able to participate. I process best when I participate. What better way to participate than to throw out a left field opinion? Oh look, I did that day 1 as well! That's the whole topic of Pizza Hut's will! Funny how this all connects, isn't it?

I like where you're going, and the way your thoughts are progressing throw me out a strong scumread, and a strong townread, I will then proceed to counter your points on each one, I think this can possibly help you get a feel for me, if you don't already have one.

[KFC]

1. Well I did it anyway lol

2. This is fair. No refutation. You are correct.

3. This is the bit that I take issue with. How is me commenting on any of these things with things that have been stated in the thread (because I have nothing interesting to add to any of the topics you stated here) pro-town? In particular the part where MD claims his win-condition is absolutely not helpful to discuss at all. I see where your perspective is but take a moment and see it from mine. My commentary is unhelpful and repetitive. My opinion is not prominent. I am sitting in the middle of every single read list. I lack strong reads on several of the top posters. Good way to do that? Throw out a vote on someone I don't like, see if it sticks. This is reaction hunting. If a wagon had built up on McD you bet your ass I would've backed off. You defending him draws a line connecting you two in my mind. If one flips scum, the other one may be as well.

I've been reading. But I haven't been able to participate. I process best when I participate. What better way to participate than to throw out a left field opinion? Oh look, I did that day 1 as well! That's the whole topic of Pizza Hut's will! Funny how this all connects, isn't it?

You do have something interesting to add: your own opinion, even if it just reflects those that have already been said. You don’t have to have a prominent one to be able to contribute. You claim you have no strong leans on the top posters, but how is anyone supposed to formulate a read on you with you trying to justify lurking with “I have nothing new to say.”

“Chipotle thinks Mickey D is scum” is interesting. “Chipotle agreed with pressure on Popeyes but doesn’t want to put him in danger of turbolynch” is interesting. We need your own opinions if we are to gauge how they fit with pro-town or pro-scum ideations as the narrative plays out.

[Dominos]

Dominos pizza, get your pizza under 30 minutes or someone takes over. Just getting on, will catch up on day 2.

[KFC]

Dominos pizza, get your pizza under 30 minutes or someone takes over. Just getting on, will catch up on day 2.

Holy shit, it’s alive. Gleefully awaiting your comments.

[Dairy Queen]

You do have something interesting to add: your own opinion, even if it just reflects those that have already been said. You don’t have to have a prominent one to be able to contribute. You claim you have no strong leans on the top posters, but how is anyone supposed to formulate a read on you with you trying to justify lurking with “I have nothing new to say.”

“Chipotle thinks Mickey D is scum” is interesting. “Chipotle agreed with pressure on Popeyes but doesn’t want to put him in danger of turbolynch” is interesting. We need your own opinions if we are to gauge how they fit with pro-town or pro-scum ideations as the narrative plays out.

Ideas are still ideas even if they are in agreement with others. He is claiming he needs to personally interact with players to get a better grip on that, Well let's see him put his money where his mouth is and do it.

[Burger King]

His whole LW was narcissistic BS on how he thinks the game should be played based off his word and his world alone being the abolsute and right way that the game should be played.d, a bible for what he put so much effort into, it left us 0 RP informations, and 0 Information about his role, which helps scum in the long run because they now have more to work with after another dead town. I also found it laughable how he concocted this whole ordeal about how papa johns was scum, went on to explain it in detail, then ending it with I could be wrong.... And what we should do as town and then papa jonny flipped town LOL

It wasn't a bible on how the game should be played. If anything, it was a Two Commandments on how the game should NOT be played. I'll agree that it would have been nice if he left us some info about his RP, but the fact that it's missing doesn't negate the rest of what he said.

You saying it was scummy behavior doesn't make it scummy behavior. Because I will make the case and say his behavior was towny, And I do blame PH for thinking PJ was scum. For you to say it's PJ's fault for playing scummy as town is absurd, maybe you should learn how to interpret town/VS scum better?

I never said the behavior was scummy just because I said so. The behavior is just objectively scummy, for the reasons already pointed out in PH's LW. If you want to argue that it isn't scummy behavior, then by all means, provide some counterarguments to what PH said with some logic/evidence to back it up. And telling me to 'git gud' is a trash argument and is even more hilarious for reasons I'll have to wait until the post-game to discuss.

What I fail to follow is his reasoning for me being scum.



Lets go through this step by step, to appease both your thirsty ass and KFC.

1. Revealing RP is not the same as revealing role. Revealing RP leads to confirming town, as shown with Antonina. It does not lead to confirming role, as shown with Papa Johns. This is also the exact case with S-FM Chicago, our only viable source of reference for this game, after which he literally polled the participants of for advice on hosting this setup. If you have not read Chicago, go read Chicago. The games are eerily similar. After you're done, go read M-FM Castle Varen. RP is something that Cryptonic is known for indulging in. It is the very blood of this setup, and him stating that is not by the end of D1 is just plain ignorant.

2. He states that I made this post right after my first. Which shows I had only just begun showing activity. These are both correct. he then proceeds to reach farther than marth's grab range in super smash bros melee by saying that I likely hadn't read the setup yet. There is literally no way for him to know that. His dislike of me sharing RP is based entirely on a single possibility of me being a bad player. He may be right but I'm not the one making scumreads based on a single moment of player activity. The last guy who did that got modkilled.

1. If RP provides town with information that directly relates to the abilities/alignments of players, then does it not also provide scum with that information? So, in much the same way that D1 mass role claims are usually disastrous for town, it stands to reason that a mass RP claim could have similar ramifications in a setup like this one in which RP is so closely tied to game mechanics. I don't think PH was ignorant of the RP's importance to the game, he was very aware of it, and very much against mass claiming and potentially giving the scum all the info they need on d1.

2. At no point did he say you hadn't read the setup, he said you likely hadn't read the entire thread. And given that you didn't read his LW closely enough to know this, you're kind of proving his point for him.

[Dairy Queen]

Dominos pizza, get your pizza under 30 minutes or someone takes over. Just getting on, will catch up on day 2.

KILL IT WITH FIRE

[Dairy Queen]

It wasn't a bible on how the game should be played. If anything, it was a Two Commandments on how the game should NOT be played. I'll agree that it would have been nice if he left us some info about his RP, but the fact that it's missing doesn't negate the rest of what he said.



I never said the behavior was scummy just because I said so. The behavior is just objectively scummy, for the reasons already pointed out in PH's LW. If you want to argue that it isn't scummy behavior, then by all means, provide some counterarguments to what PH said with some logic/evidence to back it up. And telling me to 'git gud' is a trash argument and is even more hilarious for reasons I'll have to wait until the post-game to discuss.



1. If RP provides town with information that directly relates to the abilities/alignments of players, then does it not also provide scum with that information? So, in much the same way that D1 mass role claims are usually disastrous for town, it stands to reason that a mass RP claim could have similar ramifications in a setup like this one in which RP is so closely tied to game mechanics. I don't think PH was ignorant of the RP's importance to the game, he was very aware of it, and very much against mass claiming and potentially giving the scum all the info they need on d1.

2. At no point did he say you hadn't read the setup, he said you likely hadn't read the entire thread. And given that you didn't read his LW closely enough to know this, you're kind of proving his point for him.

Heh, the "Git Gud" was purely to get a reaction out of you, more often then not I tend to see scum players just laugh it off, and not say anything about discussing it postgame. And I left it mostly vague by just saying I think that he was pro town because you infct didn't give reasons/arguments as to why you even agree with him... You just said "the things in this guys last will were pro town." The reactions you fire back at me leave me un-impressed with your play because you give an opinion with no backup, then when somone says they don't agree with you, you just fire back "provide all the evidence why you don't agree with why I agree with that," even tho I didn't provide any evidence as to why I agree with that LOL

[Chipotle]

It wasn't a bible on how the game should be played. If anything, it was a Two Commandments on how the game should NOT be played. I'll agree that it would have been nice if he left us some info about his RP, but the fact that it's missing doesn't negate the rest of what he said.



I never said the behavior was scummy just because I said so. The behavior is just objectively scummy, for the reasons already pointed out in PH's LW. If you want to argue that it isn't scummy behavior, then by all means, provide some counterarguments to what PH said with some logic/evidence to back it up. And telling me to 'git gud' is a trash argument and is even more hilarious for reasons I'll have to wait until the post-game to discuss.



1. If RP provides town with information that directly relates to the abilities/alignments of players, then does it not also provide scum with that information? So, in much the same way that D1 mass role claims are usually disastrous for town, it stands to reason that a mass RP claim could have similar ramifications in a setup like this one in which RP is so closely tied to game mechanics. I don't think PH was ignorant of the RP's importance to the game, he was very aware of it, and very much against mass claiming and potentially giving the scum all the info they need on d1.

2. At no point did he say you hadn't read the setup, he said you likely hadn't read the entire thread. And given that you didn't read his LW closely enough to know this, you're kind of proving his point for him.

1. If you believe giving information aids scum just as much as it aids town then I don't think we have anything else to say here.

2. Typo. Meant thread. Said setup. Whoopsie.

[Popeyes]

Are you scum reading Burger King or playing devils advocate Diry Queen?

[Chipotle]

Obligatory good night post so that I don't get scumpainted for disappearing.

[Dairy Queen]

IMO the majority of players in this game are town. Therefore the majority of RP spit out would be town influenced. Since there is heavy RP involvement based on the RP provided there should be an evident "evil" to be interpreted from the roleplay, which would then force the scum team to lie about RP, which then should be easily interpreted as either "far fetched" or not fitting in with the consensus RP... Therefore Rp = more beneficial to town than to scum.

[Dairy Queen]

Obligatory good night post so that I don't get scumpainted for disappearing.

I don't think activity expresses any alignment indicativness, but it's more the content being dished out while either super active or seemingly inactive that helps distinguish the read.

[Dairy Queen]

Are you scum reading Burger King or playing devils advocate Diry Queen?

I am scumreading BK.

[Dairy Queen]

Just because he did something that I normally don't see a scum do, that one thing doesn't change my overall read on him.

[Dairy Queen]

Dairy Queen
Subway
Starbucks
KFC



Chick-Fil-A
Jack In The Box

NULL
Dominoes
Chioptle



Taco Bell
Burger King
Popeyes
McDonalds
Arbys

You saw my list of scumreads here right? only thing I'd change here is i'd move Chippy up into the bottom slot of my town reads.

[Dairy Queen]

Well, i'll be back tomorrow, PEACE.

[Popeyes]

Eh.
I have claimed and provided a portion of my notes. That’s all I have beyond my thoughts on the RP and players not listed.

[Popeyes]

1. If you believe giving information aids scum just as much as it aids town then I don't think we have anything else to say here.

2. Typo. Meant thread. Said setup. Whoopsie.

You are aware that the entire point #2 hinged on you meaning setup. Replacing the word setup with thread makes your second point illogical.

[Popeyes]

2. He states that I made this post right after my first. Which shows I had only just begun showing activity. These are both correct. he then proceeds to reach farther than marth's grab range in super smash bros melee by saying that I likely hadn't read the setup yet. There is literally no way for him to know that. His dislike of me sharing RP is based entirely on a single possibility of me being a bad player. He may be right but I'm not the one making scumreads based on a single moment of player activity. The last guy who did that got modkilled.

For reference

[Burger King]

Heh, the "Git Gud" was purely to get a reaction out of you, more often then not I tend to see scum players just laugh it off, and not say anything about discussing it postgame. And I left it mostly vague by just saying I think that he was pro town because you infct didn't give reasons/arguments as to why you even agree with him... You just said "the things in this guys last will were pro town." The reactions you fire back at me leave me un-impressed with your play because you give an opinion with no backup, then when somone says they don't agree with you, you just fire back "provide all the evidence why you don't agree with why I agree with that," even tho I didn't provide any evidence as to why I agree with that LOL

The reasoning is literally already provided in the LW. I will try to spell it out for you since you seem to be having trouble.

---Summary of the conversation thus far---

PH's LW: "behaviors A and B are scummy because X and Y"

Me: "I agree. Behaviors A and B ARE scummy, and X and Y are good reasons why"

You (#1027): "It's not scummy just because you said so. I'll make a case that it was town behavior. git gud"

Me: But I didn't say it was scummy "because I said so", I said I agree with reasons X and Y

You: But you didn't say WHY you agree with reasons X and Y. You're just making ME provide all the evidence without providing any yourself.

---End Summary---

---Summary of the Summary---

1. Argument is made, complete with reasoning behind it
2. I agree because the argument is sound, and the reasoning supports it.
3. You disagree, providing no reasoning/evidence as to why. Accuse me of making an assertion with no reasoning behind it
4. I reiterate that I agree with the initial reasoning provided
5. You deflect back on me as if I'm making a claim with no evidence (ignoring the fact that I agreed with the evidence presented in the initial argument) and you continue not to make a counter argument or provide any reasoning/evidence to justify your disagreement

---End Summary of Summary---

My reasons are already embedded in the argument. The argument cannot continue until you provide counterpoints for me to either accept or refute.

And it's pretty scummy of you to try to paint me in a negative light for not explaining myself when it's currently YOUR turn to actually justify for your stance.

1. If you believe giving information aids scum just as much as it aids town then I don't think we have anything else to say here.

2. Typo. Meant thread. Said setup. Whoopsie.

1. I did not say that. If you are going to put words in my mouth, I don't have more to say to you.

2. Uh huh.