S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

[Auckmid]

Pre-Game

Oh no! LittleBigPlanet is being terrorized by a group of villains! To counter this threat, a council of creator curators and other powerful beings has been called to assemble…

@Damus_Graves is The King(Mayor)
@Gerik is The Queen(Doctor)
@Marshmallow Marshall is Zola(Lookout)
@Stealthbomber16 is King Croc(Compulsive Veteran)
@Banshis is Meerkat Mum(Survivalist)
@TheDarkestLight is Frida(Vigilante)
@Mike is Don Lu(Grave Digger)
@rumox is Uncle Jalapeno(Jailor)
@creedkingsx is Mags the Mechanic(Escort)
@Yayap is Grandmaster Sensei(Networker)
@Slaol is The Great Magician(Bus Driver)
@blinkskater is The Goddess(Bodyguard)
@naz is The General(Sheriff)


However, there is talk that some members of the council might have already been kidnapped, with villains impersonating them…

Faction list

Mafioso
Mafioso
Mafioso
Mafioso

Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town


The council must wait for all of its members to arrive before it can start its first meeting…

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdow...3&font=cursive

If any council members cannot arrive by this date, please PM me, and we can delay the start time of the first meeting.

Day 1 will otherwise start two days from now. Two recent changes were made to the setup…
1. Since the balance seemed to lean a bit to pro-mafia, the godfather was removed. It is now 4 mafioso vs 9 town.
2. The gravedigger is NOT allowed to target a dead mayor for the double-vote ability. All other abilities are fair game.

The full setup can be read here: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...009#post780009

Faction role PMs have not gone out at the time of this post but will shortly.

While Day 1 may not have commenced, the game has started, so no out of game discussion will be allowed past this point.

Quick Link(s)

Day 2: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...246#post781246
Day 3: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...590#post781590
Day 4: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...862#post781862
Day 5: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...152#post782152

[Auckmid]

Damus_Graves is the mayor with 2 votes.

Reminder: Damus_Graves is NOT confirmed town

[Auckmid]

Day 1

With everyone present, the first meeting can now commence...

Day 1 will last for up to 72 hours. All future days will be 48 hours long, and all nights will be 24 hours.

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DAYS HOURS MINUTES SECONDS

While the day can be ended early through lynching or a majority vote to skip, this is a strong opportunity for members of the town to decide who seems trustworthy and who seems suspicious. As such, I recommend not to waste it.


A few more rules/clarifications

-While not explicitly stated previously, there will NOT be last wills in this FM. If you have anything to say to the town, you should try to say it before you die.
-I am making the text in all my posts cyan to make them easier to find. I therefore ask the players to not make all the text in any of their posts all cyan.
-If you have any questions, please either PM me, mention me or ask the question using green font.

​Good luck. With 14 votes in play, 8 will be required to lynch.

8 votes to hammer.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

The Setup

We know roles. There are three killing roles (Compulsive Veteran, Vigilante, and Jailor), and two of them can actually kill without restriction. So there's a quite big chance the mafia has a killing role in addition to their FK. Which means we must be careful in our lynches (Vigilante loses kill ability if he hits a town, though).

Good thing is, we have 72h today! Let's not skip, and use them instead.

Vigilante, if you are town, please be mindful of your shots. Shoot only your HIGH scumreads.

Since the Doctor is revealed, it's a nice idea to have the Lookout on the Doctor or on the Mayor, and the Doctor on the Lookout or on the Mayor. Or have some WIFOM plays around this that I won't discuss :P

Council of BigLittlePlanet, the debate is open!

-vote naz

[creedkingsx]

The Setup

We know roles. There are three killing roles (Compulsive Veteran, Vigilante, and Jailor), and two of them can actually kill without restriction. So there's a quite big chance the mafia has a killing role in addition to their FK. Which means we must be careful in our lynches (Vigilante loses kill ability if he hits a town, though).

Good thing is, we have 72h today! Let's not skip, and use them instead.

Vigilante, if you are town, please be mindful of your shots. Shoot only your HIGH scumreads.

Since the Doctor is revealed, it's a nice idea to have the Lookout on the Doctor or on the Mayor, and the Doctor on the Lookout or on the Mayor. Or have some WIFOM plays around this that I won't discuss :P

Council of BigLittlePlanet, the debate is open!

-vote naz

Very different from prior game.

Also EoD? Is that End of Day? Sorry, the language has evolved quite a bit over the last few years

[Marshmallow Marshall]

First

[Banshis]

Too tired to really post, just saying hi. Going to bed.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Too tired to really post, just saying hi. Going to bed.

Yea, that's a thing... Given the strange hour the Council has decided to unite at, we will probably have people who will NOT be able to be there at EoD, or be too tired for it. It's 9:40 AM for me, and even if I'm nocturnal, I will probably go to bed soon.

Would be nice to know if people will be able to appear at EoD time, by the way

[creedkingsx]

While I'm at work, I want to add that I completely agree that mafia has an extra killing. Probably not the Vigilante because of the limitations on the role card. I expect that just because of how Pro Town the setup is.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Very different from prior game.

Also EoD? Is that End of Day? Sorry, the language has evolved quite a bit over the last few years

Yes EoD = end of day

Also what do you mean about setup being protown?

[creedkingsx]

Yes EoD = end of day

Also what do you mean about setup being protown?

Town benefits from the most openly understood amount of information possible. The setup tells everyone's roles openly, that's all.

[Slaol]

So im just getting up.

Based on the potential Jailor mechanic i 100% believe we want to pull off a lynch today. I have a list of prime targets and id like others to try to do the same

[Slaol]

Also fuck putting Doc on Mayor. Mayor offers no evidence and isnt even confirmed Town. I think we want a Doctor>Lookout>Bodyguard>Doctor combo. If it breaks we will get a lot of info from it

[Damus_Graves]

Also fuck putting Doc on Mayor. Mayor offers no evidence and isnt even confirmed Town. I think we want a Doctor>Lookout>Bodyguard>Doctor combo. If it breaks we will get a lot of info from it

This is 100% accurate. I offer very little to the actual progression of the game role wise. My major mechanic is supporting and/or coordinating a lynch. @Marshmallow Marshall is playing as if I am confirmed town as well.

[Slaol]

This is 100% accurate. I offer very little to the actual progression of the game role wise. My major mechanic is supporting and/or coordinating a lynch. @Marshmallow Marshall is playing as if I am confirmed town as well.

Fucking buddying by MM if ive ever seen it

[Damus_Graves]

Fucking buddying by MM if ive ever seen it

Im reading over MMs post at the moment. His post is fishy, he seems to be suggesting that he knows at least one role the mafia has. His post also looks like instructions and its his first post as well. Both fishy instances.
pressure time

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

[Slaol]

Im reading over MMs post at the moment. His post is fishy, he seems to be suggesting that he knows at least one role the mafia has. His post also looks like instructions and its his first post as well. Both fishy instances.
pressure time

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

He voted the fucking sheriff lol

[Marshmallow Marshall]

This is 100% accurate. I offer very little to the actual progression of the game role wise. My major mechanic is supporting and/or coordinating a lynch. @Marshmallow Marshall is playing as if I am confirmed town as well.

No, in end-game you give a lot (+1 vote for town can win the game).... but that's if you're town, which I doubt because of your next post...

Im reading over MMs post at the moment. His post is fishy, he seems to be suggesting that he knows at least one role the mafia has. His post also looks like instructions and its his first post as well. Both fishy instances.
pressure time

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

Ok, let's quote my post:
We know roles. There are three killing roles (Compulsive Veteran, Vigilante, and Jailor), and two of them can actually kill without restriction. So there's a quite big chance the mafia has a killing role in addition to their FK.
Yes, there is a good statistic chance of it being... and saying this doesn't mean I know things, but that it's statistically probable... That is scumpainting.

Yes, my immediate thoughts about the setup to get the game started asap since noone was here, which imply a general plan and obviously directives. Why is that fishy, exactly?

-vote Damus_Graves

[Marshmallow Marshall]

So im just getting up.

Based on the potential Jailor mechanic i 100% believe we want to pull off a lynch today. I have a list of prime targets and id like others to try to do the same

Agreed... but how do you have a list of targets even before anyone but host and myself have posted?

Also fuck putting Doc on Mayor. Mayor offers no evidence and isnt even confirmed Town. I think we want a Doctor>Lookout>Bodyguard>Doctor combo. If it breaks we will get a lot of info from it

That would be another idea, yes... but Mayor, Sheriff and Jailor are all roles that can pretty much grant us the game, or at least strongly help it. Btw your order should be Doc>BG>LO>Doc, because BG will very probably be attacked and he's the only one who both saves and kills. This is the Protective's WIFOM, though...

Fucking buddying by MM if ive ever seen it

...and this is just closing your mind to others and giving Mafia very probably free night kills people that aren't the roles put there before. For the first night I suggest we keep a standard order, just to see if it breaks.

[Slaol]

Agreed... but how do you have a list of targets even before anyone but host and myself have posted?

That would be another idea, yes... but Mayor, Sheriff and Jailor are all roles that can pretty much grant us the game, or at least strongly help it. Btw your order should be Doc>BG>LO>Doc, because BG will very probably be attacked and he's the only one who both saves and kills. This is the Protective's WIFOM, though...


...and this is just closing your mind to others and giving Mafia very probably free night kills people that aren't the roles put there before. For the first night I suggest we keep a standard order, just to see if it breaks.

Hey @Damus_Graves if youre town MM is totally scum with how on your dick he is

[Damus_Graves]

Agreed... but how do you have a list of targets even before anyone but host and myself have posted?

That would be another idea, yes... but Mayor, Sheriff and Jailor are all roles that can pretty much grant us the game, or at least strongly help it. Btw your order should be Doc>BG>LO>Doc, because BG will very probably be attacked and he's the only one who both saves and kills. This is the Protective's WIFOM, though...


...and this is just closing your mind to others and giving Mafia very probably free night kills people that aren't the roles put there before. For the first night I suggest we keep a standard order, just to see if it breaks.

His order of protective was intended to offer WIfOM against mafia
and to provide additional information upon chain breaking. Not to 100% protect each role.

[Mike]

Agreed... but how do you have a list of targets even before anyone but host and myself have posted?

That would be another idea, yes... but Mayor, Sheriff and Jailor are all roles that can pretty much grant us the game, or at least strongly help it. Btw your order should be Doc>BG>LO>Doc, because BG will very probably be attacked and he's the only one who both saves and kills. This is the Protective's WIFOM, though...


...and this is just closing your mind to others and giving Mafia very probably free night kills people that aren't the roles put there before. For the first night I suggest we keep a standard order, just to see if it breaks.

In set up doc can not heal Bg if bg dies by defending someone.

[Slaol]

Also my protective order should be Doctor heals Bodyguard guards Lookout watches Doctor. Since BG has a higher attacked chance

[Damus_Graves]

Im gonna be honest. I still have no idea who is playing this game.

[Slaol]

Okay so, actually rather than waiting on you fucks (im swearing more because my boy Yayap hates it) to make lists. I 100% believe we want to policy lynch from the list of roles that can most hurt us.

That includes me, damus, creed, tdl. and mike. Rumox as extra because we can just roleblock him by lycnhing. Also mike would be tomorrow since he has no action

These roles offer the most help to Mafia in relation to the other roles

[Damus_Graves]

Okay so, actually rather than waiting on you fucks (im swearing more because my boy Yayap hates it) to make lists. I 100% believe we want to policy lynch from the list of roles that can most hurt us.

That includes me, damus, creed, tdl. and mike. Rumox as extra because we can just roleblock him by lycnhing. Also mike would be tomorrow since he has no action

These roles offer the most help to Mafia in relation to the other roles

i 100% disagree on policy lynching in S-FMs. The potential for gain isn't enough to outweigh the potential for loss.
If I did my math right policy lynching alone gives us a 30% chance of successfully lynching mafia vs a 70% chance of lynching town.
If you narrow it down to just the lynch order you give us we lose 17% chance of success lynching.
The argument that these roles can be used against us isnt significant enough to persuade me to want to policy lynch.

[Slaol]

i 100% disagree on policy lynching in S-FMs. The potential for gain isn't enough to outweigh the potential for loss.
If I did my math right policy lynching alone gives us a 30% chance of successfully lynching mafia vs a 70% chance of lynching town.
If you narrow it down to just the lynch order you give us we lose 17% chance of success lynching.
The argument that these roles can be used against us isnt significant enough to persuade me to want to policy lynch.

Opinion noted and considered.

Everyone else?

[Mike]

I disagree with it. AS i read you as Posable scum. if that is true you may be lyching town to get the MAfia win. Putting your self in the lineup to make you look pro town. I always as scum say Lych me I will die for town. So I don't buy it.

[Mike]

I disagree with it. AS i read you as Posable scum. if that is true you may be lyching town to get the MAfia win. Putting your self in the lineup to make you look pro town. I always as scum say Lych me I will die for town. So I don't buy it.

#Sloal

[Slaol]

I disagree with it. AS i read you as Posable scum. if that is true you may be lyching town to get the MAfia win. Putting your self in the lineup to make you look pro town. I always as scum say Lych me I will die for town. So I don't buy it.

Thats because you gambit. I math. Mafia bus driver is one of the most broken roles in the history of forun mafia.

[creedkingsx]

Lynching day 1 is literally always a sketchy game to play. I submit the uniqueness of the setup but it's still a rising business to run. Like play it out, even if Rumox ends up just slaughtering someone, we lynch him next day. It'd be a 7-3 ratio and mafia lose there secondary killing power.

If we do lynch and hit a town, its 6-4 after mafia pulls off their night actions.

[creedkingsx]

rising business to run.

risky*

[Yayap]

(im swearing more because my boy Yayap hates it)

On my way to work soon, will actually read the day more when I get home after midnight. But I really think this will be a short game to solve, in fact, day 1 I don't really need to analyse any of you, I just need to metaread auckmid. But for now, I'll just leave this here for the above quote... and the fact that I can see auckmid making the bus driver mafia. Later!

-vote Slaol

[Slaol]

On my way to work soon, will actually read the day more when I get home after midnight. But I really think this will be a short game to solve, in fact, day 1 I don't really need to analyse any of you, I just need to metaread auckmid. But for now, I'll just leave this here for the above quote... and the fact that I can see auckmid making the bus driver mafia. Later!

-vote Slaol

Auckmid claims it is random, and i believe him. However if we are going to meta read him he STRAIGHT UP told me day 1 is 72 hours to compensate for a Mafia Jailor. Thats as suspect as is possible.

I think a more, or cooperatively, effective technique is to discuss how these roles are more likely to interact- as in, which roles would be most threatening to what combination of mafia?

[Banshis]

Auckmid claims it is random, and i believe him. However if we are going to meta read him he STRAIGHT UP told me day 1 is 72 hours to compensate for a Mafia Jailor. Thats as suspect as is possible.

I think a more, or cooperatively, effective technique is to discuss how these roles are more likely to interact- as in, which roles would be most threatening to what combination of mafia?

Yea I remember that. I do believe it is completely random. You are still an extremely scary role in this game given no feedback.
Anyways the jailor is essentially a citizen if a lynch is used everyday since he doesn't even get the jail without a kill.
The compulsive veteran can only be figured out by reads since he will never not be alert.

[Gerik]

On my way to work soon, will actually read the day more when I get home after midnight. But I really think this will be a short game to solve, in fact, day 1 I don't really need to analyse any of you, I just need to metaread auckmid. But for now, I'll just leave this here for the above quote... and the fact that I can see auckmid making the bus driver mafia. Later!

-vote Slaol

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post779950

...the alignment for each role is randomized.

Trying to metagame Auckmid is not a viable strategy.

[Slaol]

I obviously don't want me to die, but if im gonna be jailed and shot anyway might as well let people get the value out of my flip before that

I've been anticipating my early death the whole time. Don't pretend I made this shit up if you want to look like town when I flip.

[Slaol]

On my way to work soon, will actually read the day more when I get home after midnight. But I really think this will be a short game to solve, in fact, day 1 I don't really need to analyse any of you, I just need to metaread auckmid. But for now, I'll just leave this here for the above quote... and the fact that I can see auckmid making the bus driver mafia. Later!

-vote Slaol

Trying to solve. Town.

Depends. Are you holding a 3?

On a more serious note, eliminating the feedback-less bus driver early lets us actually plan out our night actions. Sort of. The problem is that regardless of what chain of night actions we come up with, there will likely be mafia in the mix, and if you are town then you throw a wrench into mafia night actions.



This post contributes literally nothing.

Neutral bullshit opinion on a key topic. Scum

With that said LOL, First both MM and Naz can't be Scum or this save is 80% maifa win 20% scum win. So MM putting Naz on vote with no Naz posts Is suspect ass all can be. He is acting pro town but putting out main person on the chopping block. and pulling both Bg and Doc off him. and I see people backing MM up so soon. Do we have all our scum posting first?

Is Shreiff is Town Scums number 1 target would be Sheriff. Remember that town.

Trying to solve the game, town.

The Setup

We know roles. There are three killing roles (Compulsive Veteran, Vigilante, and Jailor), and two of them can actually kill without restriction. So there's a quite big chance the mafia has a killing role in addition to their FK. Which means we must be careful in our lynches (Vigilante loses kill ability if he hits a town, though).

Good thing is, we have 72h today! Let's not skip, and use them instead.

Vigilante, if you are town, please be mindful of your shots. Shoot only your HIGH scumreads.

Since the Doctor is revealed, it's a nice idea to have the Lookout on the Doctor or on the Mayor, and the Doctor on the Lookout or on the Mayor. Or have some WIFOM plays around this that I won't discuss :P

Council of BigLittlePlanet, the debate is open!

-vote naz

Trying to solve, town.

My gameplan required people show their hands and they did.

[Yayap]

On my way to work soon, will actually read the day more when I get home after midnight. But I really think this will be a short game to solve, in fact, day 1 I don't really need to analyse any of you, I just need to metaread auckmid. But for now, I'll just leave this here for the above quote... and the fact that I can see auckmid making the bus driver mafia. Later!

-vote Slaol

Trying to solve. Town.

Well, if you count that post as "trying to solve" then thats pretty weak since I really didn't post anything at all except respond to your plea for me to vote you. Your analysis of why I voted you is slightly off since I don't vote rivals for vendetta stuff in games and you should know that but you practically screamed for me to build a train on you when you made your bs post on policy lynching roles and made sure I would have caught the signal by swearing and naming me... Well, yes - I knew what you were up to and I was happy to go along with it for the time being.

I did notice a few other things that you are wrong about but something tells me that you already know about it and are waiting to see if anyone corrects you on it or if you'll let the wifom take place. - in this case, I'll keep quiet since it does not solve anything for me to point it out to you since I know that you actually do understand based on a different post prior to these ones.


As for your medium sized post . You named 2 people that I was scum leaning on which has made my decision on who to invite a pain since I wanted to plan with them at first glance. And Gerik - who I was waiting to see how he would react to your post, I was wondering if he too saw the signal I saw and was going along for the ride but since that post, I see Gerik is on the more serious note of actually wanting to lynch you.
As for Banshis - I'm not convinced at all. I'd much rather put Mike in that slot for his idea of using the doc to check the Vet. The actual only real way to check the vet is to use the jailor and jail SB16 and then sheriff check him - but Mike didn't consider that idea and I'm wondering if it's because he knows that the jailor is actually scum with him and wouldn't go along with that kind of plan (<- the possible scumslip of tmi I was eluding to earlier). Also of note is that Rumox didn't point out to Mike that he was the only one who can safely disable the vet but instead just agreed with me that I don't know mikes meta.

I do agree with some of the townreads - mind you I'll probably throw everything out the window once day 2 starts and reread everything with the baseline that I'll have then from the night actions.


unsure if I want to add more right now..... been staring at the screen for an hour debating with myself so I'll post this now and catch up on what was said while I was typing.

[Mike]

Well, if you count that post as "trying to solve" then thats pretty weak since I really didn't post anything at all except respond to your plea for me to vote you. Your analysis of why I voted you is slightly off since I don't vote rivals for vendetta stuff in games and you should know that but you practically screamed for me to build a train on you when you made your bs post on policy lynching roles and made sure I would have caught the signal by swearing and naming me... Well, yes - I knew what you were up to and I was happy to go along with it for the time being.

I did notice a few other things that you are wrong about but something tells me that you already know about it and are waiting to see if anyone corrects you on it or if you'll let the wifom take place. - in this case, I'll keep quiet since it does not solve anything for me to point it out to you since I know that you actually do understand based on a different post prior to these ones.


As for your medium sized post . You named 2 people that I was scum leaning on which has made my decision on who to invite a pain since I wanted to plan with them at first glance. And Gerik - who I was waiting to see how he would react to your post, I was wondering if he too saw the signal I saw and was going along for the ride but since that post, I see Gerik is on the more serious note of actually wanting to lynch you.
As for Banshis - I'm not convinced at all. I'd much rather put Mike in that slot for his idea of using the doc to check the Vet. The actual only real way to check the vet is to use the jailor and jail SB16 and then sheriff check him - but Mike didn't consider that idea and I'm wondering if it's because he knows that the jailor is actually scum with him and wouldn't go along with that kind of plan (<- the possible scumslip of tmi I was eluding to earlier). Also of note is that Rumox didn't point out to Mike that he was the only one who can safely disable the vet but instead just agreed with me that I don't know mikes meta.

I do agree with some of the townreads - mind you I'll probably throw everything out the window once day 2 starts and reread everything with the baseline that I'll have then from the night actions.


unsure if I want to add more right now..... been staring at the screen for an hour debating with myself so I'll post this now and catch up on what was said while I was typing.

The actual only real way to check the vet is to use the jailor and jail SB16 and then sheriff check him

TBH I never even thought of this. I love it. I say let not lych anyone then. I think this is a great idea. I have no soupy Yipyap is 100% town now. I say we do this.

-unvote

[Mike]

Don Lu here not to be mistaken for Don Wan name is Lu not Wan I was born in China Love the smell of Grave Dirt in the Morning. Nothing like it. So who's grave am i digging next?

[Slaol]

Don Lu here not to be mistaken for Don Wan name is Lu not Wan I was born in China Love the smell of Grave Dirt in the Morning. Nothing like it. So who's grave am i digging next?

Mike you make me laugh my dude.

[Mike]

Mike you make me laugh my dude.

TY

[naz]

hi i'm at work and we're about to have our team meetings & its also our christmas party/ugly sweater party and my coworker bailed on me last night (we were supposed to craft them together but she went out and bought one instead) and now i'm the only one not dressed up and i'm depressed about it

i haven't read any of y'alls posts yet

-vote rumox

[creedkingsx]

hi i'm at work and we're about to have our team meetings & its also our christmas party/ugly sweater party and my coworker bailed on me last night

Fuck work events.

[naz]

omg actually i can't believe i'm not the goddess
Screw You!

-vote blinkskater

[Mike]

With that said LOL, First both MM and Naz can't be Scum or this save is 80% maifa win 20% scum win. So MM putting Naz on vote with no Naz posts Is suspect ass all can be. He is acting pro town but putting out main person on the chopping block. and pulling both Bg and Doc off him. and I see people backing MM up so soon. Do we have all our scum posting first?

Is Shreiff is Town Scums number 1 target would be Sheriff. Remember that town.

[Damus_Graves]

With that said LOL, First both MM and Naz can't be Scum or this save is 80% maifa win 20% scum win. So MM putting Naz on vote with no Naz posts Is suspect ass all can be. He is acting pro town but putting out main person on the chopping block. and pulling both Bg and Doc off him. and I see people backing MM up so soon. Do we have all our scum posting first?

Is Shreiff is Town Scums number 1 target would be Sheriff. Remember that town.

We are all demonizing Marshall for voting Naz. No one is supporting him lol.

[naz]

We are all demonizing Marshall for voting Naz. No one is supporting him lol.

oh i like you

i will sheep this man until i read the posts

[creedkingsx]

Sheriff is effectively the only confirmed town. I reiterate that the save is pro town and sheriff is actually worthless to mafia so giving them sheriff would be hella host scum.