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    S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

    Overview

    The setup follows the small-town rules, which are as follows:

    -Each player will be randomly assigned both ONE character role and ONE faction role from the list below. Every one of the thirteen given character roles will appear EXACTLY once upon game startup

    -Factions roles determine the players win condition, in addition to any other abilities they might get, such as mafia night kills. Faction roles are private.

    -Character roles give each player additional abilities to assist them, such as being able to heal players as the doctor. Character roles have no effect on alignment. Character roles are public, which means at the beginning of day 1, the character role assigned to each player will be revealed to everyone. As such, everyone will know which player was given the doctor ability, but will not know whether the doctor is pro-town or pro-mafia.

    Character Roles

    Mayor
    Doctor
    Lookout
    Veteran
    Survivalist
    Vigilante
    Grave Digger
    Jailor
    Escort
    Networker
    Bus Driver
    Bodyguard
    Sheriff


    Faction Roles

    Mafioso
    Mafioso
    Mafioso
    Mafioso


    Town
    Town
    Town
    Town
    Town
    Town
    Town
    Town
    Town


    Spoiler : Specific Role Descriptions :


    Character Role Descriptions

    Mayor

    • Your vote counts as 2 votes for the purposes of lynching
    • You are NOT confirmed town


    Doctor

    • Protect 1 person each night from death
    • Protects target against mafia and vigilante kills. Does not protect against jailor executions or veteran/bodyguard kills.
    • No feedback is given or received for a successful heal


    Lookout

    • Watch over someone each night, seeing which people target that person
    • Sees all people who visit your target, regardless of where they appear on the OoO


    Compulsive Veteran

    • Go on alert each night, killing anyone who targets you
    • You MUST go on alert and have unlimited charges
    • Kills through this ability bypass any protection/healing
    • You are immune to mafia and vigilante kills. You are not immune to bodyguard kills or jailor executions.
    • You do not kill anyone who targets you with a day action, and being jailed prevents you from going on alert.


    Survivalist

    • Automatically protect yourself each night, giving yourself immunity.
    • If you are targeted by a mafia or vigilante kill, you do not die. Instead, your receive feedback that you were targeted by a kill, and have your role converted to citizen (losing all character abilities, but not faction abilities)
    • You are not immune to jailor executions or veteran/bodyguard kills.


    Vigilante

    • May kill 1 target on any given night
    • If a town aligned member is successfully killed using this action, your role is converted to citizen (losing all character abilities, but not faction abilities).
    • Aside from this restriction, you have unlimited shots


    Grave Digger

    • Once per day, you may target any character in the graveyard, gaining all of their CHARACTER abilities for the rest of that day and the following night.
    • Survivalists or vigilantes who died as citizens are treated as having no character ability.
    • Saving yourself as a survivalist or killing a town aligned character as a vigilante will permanently convert you to a citizen (losing all character abilities, but not faction abilities).
    • You may NOT target a dead mayor, all other roles are fair game.


    Jailor

    • Once per day, you may target any character to be jailed
    • If, and only if, no lynch occurs on that day, target character will jailed by you during the following night.
    • You may communicate with jailed characters during the night, and jailed characters are role blocked and unable to join any other night chats.
    • You may execute a jailed character at the end of the night, bypassing all healings and immunities.
    • You have unlimited executions


    Escort

    • Each night, you may target 1 person to be role-blocked, preventing any night actions.
    • Can not prevent jailor executions, which are performed earlier in the OoO.
    • No feedback is given to the target from this ability.


    Networker

    • Each day, you may target up to 4 people (including yourself) to network.
    • The following night, all people targeted will form a night chat.
    • You may target less then 4 people.
    • If you do not target yourself, you will not be included in the chat.
    • Jailed people will not be able to join the chat.
    • You may not setup a night chat if you are jailed.


    Bus Driver

    • Each night, target 2 people to be swapped.
    • All other actions targeting one of the swapped persons will instead target the other person.
    • Does not affect jailor executions or escort roleblocks, which occur earlier in the OoO.
    • No feedback is given to either of the swapped individuals.


    Bodyguard

    • Target 1 person each night, protecting them.
    • If the protected individual is targeted by a mafia or vigilante attack, they do not die. Instead both you and the attacker die.
    • Both of these deaths cannot be prevented by any means.
    • Protection does not trigger on jailor executions or veteran kills.
    • No feedback will be given for a successful protection.


    Sheriff

    • Target 1 person each night to investigate
    • If the target has a mafioso faction role, you will be informed they appear to be mafia aligned.
    • If the target has a town faction role, you will be informed they appear town aligned.



    Factions Roles


    Mafioso

    • You are aligned with the mafia. You win when all town aligned members are dead and at least one mafia aligned member is still alive.
    • You know the identities of all other mafia-aligned players, and may chat with them each night.
    • Each night, one member of the mafia may kill a target player as a free action, in addition to any character actions.


    Town

    • You are aligned with the town. You win when all mafia aligned members are dead and at least one town aligned member is still alive.
    • You have no additional abilities (aside from your character ability)







    Setup specific rules:

    1. Blackout: To give the mafia more freedom with who they target with their character abilities, no feedback will be given for the following roles which usually do give feedback: Escort, Bus Driver, Doctor and Bodyguard.
    2. Free faction kills: For the same reason as blackout, the mafia member who carries out the faction kill may still use any character night actions.
    3. Longer Days: Days for this S-FM will be longer then usual, with 72 hours for the first day and 48 hours for the following days. Nights will be a constant 24 hours.


    Other rules:
    All the typical FM rules apply. This includes…

    1. Do not have outside discussion about the game while still alive.
    2. You are expected to make at least 5 posts each day cycle that at least have a little bit of relevance to the game.
    3. Do not edit your posts.
    4. Do not post screenshots, especially showing your faction role.
    5. Do not attempt to cheat. This is fairly broad, but everyone should understand what will be considered acceptable conduct, and attempts to circumvent the rules in ways that are clearly against the spirit of the game will be punished.
    6. Admins cannot use their mod powers to reveal information that would not otherwise be available.


    Failure to follow these rules will result in some combination of forced replacement, getting modkilled and/or getting blacklisted from future FMs.


    Order of operations (OoO)
    Start of Night:

    1. Jailing
    2. Networker sets up a night chat
    3. All night chats open


    End of night


    1. Jailor executes
    2. Veteran goes on alert, Survivalist protects himself
    3. Lookout goes into position
    4. Escort roleblocks
    5. Bus driver switches targets
    6. Bodyguard protects
    7. Doctor protects
    8. Kills/Investigation Feedback
    Last edited by Auckmid; December 9th, 2018 at 01:51 AM.

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    Re: S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

    Review in progress
    Quote Originally Posted by AIVION View Post
    Prove that your High?
    I think you proved that already.
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    HOST DOESNT NEED TO LIE ABOUT THE SETUP WHEN THIS FEW PEOPLE READ IT
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    I wanted to buy a kinder egg in usa. But apparently they arn't sold because they are too dangerous.
    So I bought two assault rifles instead.

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    Re: S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

    Is literally everyone a "power role" (their character role)? If so, I guess it'll be balanced by host, right?

    If everyone's a power role, that leads to this concern : People could use the roles to see what would be balanced or not, for each side, leading to a game where scum hunting isn't really the first concern for Town, but a "what's balanced" guessing game.


    Other questions may follow. Signups aren't postable yet, please wait a bit.
    @Auckmid
    Last edited by Marshmallow Marshall; December 3rd, 2018 at 09:13 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by AIVION View Post
    Prove that your High?
    I think you proved that already.
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    HOST DOESNT NEED TO LIE ABOUT THE SETUP WHEN THIS FEW PEOPLE READ IT
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    I wanted to buy a kinder egg in usa. But apparently they arn't sold because they are too dangerous.
    So I bought two assault rifles instead.

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    Re: S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

    Full random games, with lots of nonesense, end up being nothing but scumhunting. Even a game like clown town was won or lost on a players feeling of the players in the game.

    If all of, say, protective are on the mafia the town is lacking but these powers are worse for a mafia overall. The roles balance rhemselves. Promise

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    Re: S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

    The answer to the first question is that the alignment for each role is randomized. As such, attempting to guess "what is balanced?" which is brought up in the second question is unneeded.

    For the other part of the first question, which is the concern that this creates an unbalanced setup, may be a question you need to go more in depth on, but I'll try to answer the best I can...

    -The ratio for mafia and town is fixed (9 to 4). I am reviewing this ratio, and might modify it if I feel that my current balance is off-point, but the ratio will always be pre-determined

    -Each individual role is balanced so that it isn't too powerful if it gets randomed as a mafia role. Particularly, while kill roles like vigilante and jailor would usually be extremely powerful for the mafia to have, in this setup, the vigilante power can only be used to kill 1 town-aligned player, and the jailor only activates when the town makes the conscientious decision to not lynch.

    -Some roles like bus driver are still going to be powerful for the mafia. However, this is something that the town needs to recognize. If the bus driver is appearing at all scummy, maybe he needs to take a higher lynch priority then the doctor who is also acting scummy. If he isn't getting lynched, maybe the escort should prioritize role blocking him so that he can't cause too much chaos. Unless the escort and bus driver are both mafia, which brings us to the third point...

    -It is possible that the mafia could end up with all the roles of a certain class, such as all the protective roles, all of the investigative roles or all the disruption roles. However, it is the towns job to react appropriately to this situation. If the the investigation roles aren't bringing in anything useful, or are causing the town to mislynch, the town does need to consider that the mafia has a monopoly on them. If the protective roles aren't able to stop any of the kills, it needs to be considered that they could all be mafia aligned, or that disruption roles are creating issues and also need to be brought under question.


    While the setup wasn't approved onsite by you, it was approved by Slaol as an admin who is active in the forums, who said that it was fine to post signups pre-approval

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    Re: S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    Being balanced doesn’t mean that no one controls the outcome. It means that one side does not have an inherit advantage over the other team that wasn’t originally intended.
    "Inherit advantage"

    Neither side has an advantage because of the pure RNG of the game you describe.

    Edit: thank you for agreeing with me
    Last edited by Slaol; December 3rd, 2018 at 10:05 PM.

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    Re: S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    Lol what
    A full witch mafia team vs town vigilantes doesn’t balance itself
    It actually does. It's boring, but it does. Lol
    Quote Originally Posted by AIVION View Post
    Prove that your High?
    I think you proved that already.
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    HOST DOESNT NEED TO LIE ABOUT THE SETUP WHEN THIS FEW PEOPLE READ IT
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    I wanted to buy a kinder egg in usa. But apparently they arn't sold because they are too dangerous.
    So I bought two assault rifles instead.

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    Re: S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

    But I mean, if everyone knows who is what, it can lead to a big "guess the balance" game. It also can be really hard for scums to win if everyone is a power role.
    Quote Originally Posted by AIVION View Post
    Prove that your High?
    I think you proved that already.
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    HOST DOESNT NEED TO LIE ABOUT THE SETUP WHEN THIS FEW PEOPLE READ IT
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    I wanted to buy a kinder egg in usa. But apparently they arn't sold because they are too dangerous.
    So I bought two assault rifles instead.

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    Re: S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    But I mean, if everyone knows who is what, it can lead to a big "guess the balance" game. It also can be really hard for scums to win if everyone is a power role.
    I'm not sure if this is in reply to my post, or to something that someone else posted, but as mentioned in my reply, alignment for roles is randomized. You might have a bit of concern for balance, but I gave my rationale, and there is no chance that a "guess the balance" issue can occur.

    The presence of a significant number of power roles which are traditionally more pro-town does create a bit of a town advantage, but this is balanced by the fact that role-claiming cannot save any of the town members (its already public knowledge) and the ration leans pro-mafia (9 vs 4)

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    Re: S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Auckmid View Post
    The answer to the first question is that the alignment for each role is randomized. As such, attempting to guess "what is balanced?" which is brought up in the second question is unneeded.

    For the other part of the first question, which is the concern that this creates an unbalanced setup, may be a question you need to go more in depth on, but I'll try to answer the best I can...

    -The ratio for mafia and town is fixed (9 to 4). I am reviewing this ratio, and might modify it if I feel that my current balance is off-point, but the ratio will always be pre-determined

    -Each individual role is balanced so that it isn't too powerful if it gets randomed as a mafia role. Particularly, while kill roles like vigilante and jailor would usually be extremely powerful for the mafia to have, in this setup, the vigilante power can only be used to kill 1 town-aligned player, and the jailor only activates when the town makes the conscientious decision to not lynch.

    -Some roles like bus driver are still going to be powerful for the mafia. However, this is something that the town needs to recognize. If the bus driver is appearing at all scummy, maybe he needs to take a higher lynch priority then the doctor who is also acting scummy. If he isn't getting lynched, maybe the escort should prioritize role blocking him so that he can't cause too much chaos. Unless the escort and bus driver are both mafia, which brings us to the third point...

    -It is possible that the mafia could end up with all the roles of a certain class, such as all the protective roles, all of the investigative roles or all the disruption roles. However, it is the towns job to react appropriately to this situation. If the the investigation roles aren't bringing in anything useful, or are causing the town to mislynch, the town does need to consider that the mafia has a monopoly on them. If the protective roles aren't able to stop any of the kills, it needs to be considered that they could all be mafia aligned, or that disruption roles are creating issues and also need to be brought under question.


    While the setup wasn't approved onsite by you, it was approved by Slaol as an admin who is active in the forums, who said that it was fine to post signups pre-approval
    Well that solves the question of the guessing game. And the balance is in fact inherent to the character roles.

    Approving the setup officially now, but I do not recommend it to new or insecure hosts because of the host balance that is required to make this a playable and fun game.


    Also, a minor question: when the Mafioso nightkills and uses a character role ability on two different players, does he visit both his night kill target AND his normal action target?
    Quote Originally Posted by AIVION View Post
    Prove that your High?
    I think you proved that already.
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    HOST DOESNT NEED TO LIE ABOUT THE SETUP WHEN THIS FEW PEOPLE READ IT
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    I wanted to buy a kinder egg in usa. But apparently they arn't sold because they are too dangerous.
    So I bought two assault rifles instead.

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    Re: S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Well that solves the question of the guessing game. And the balance is in fact inherent to the character roles.

    Approving the setup officially now, but I do not recommend it to new or insecure hosts because of the host balance that is required to make this a playable and fun game.


    Also, a minor question: when the Mafioso nightkills and uses a character role ability on two different players, does he visit both his night kill target AND his normal action target?
    Thanks for the approval. And for the mafioso question, the lookout will see all characters who target a character, regardless of what action they are taking. As such, the mafioso who carries out the action will indeed show up as having targeted both of the people.

 

 

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