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  1. ISO #451
    Ganelon
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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    This does not mean I no longer suspect MM/Deamus.

    I still do.

    But I am moving mike higher. I had him pegged as town, but I don't like his latest posts at all. Especially the "Mike did you claim Mafia" post.

    Whilst I would potentially see him making such a post as town as well, I think some pressure on the slot is well-deserved.

    Spoiler : cvote :
    Mike, Marshmallow Marshall, Kenny, Stealthbomber16, DamusGraves, Numbertwo, LightYagami, blinkskater, Gyrlander, Voss, Distorted, Magoroth

  2. ISO #452
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    Other neutrals can CC, hell even town can CC to get off mafias radar. Tbh its just a no and forever will be a no. Scum can claim a neut role amd run with it because neutrals dont want to cc and imho its in their best interests not to. I look for players who i think try and promote scum strats and disguise them as town strats. So from my pov you look scummy. Can you not blame me based on how i read things?
    If you're talking about this Strat, I don't find it scummy at all.

    It's only scummy if neutrals refuse to claim d1. And that's on them.

    I would not expect Executioner neutrals to claim D1. I mean, depending on circumstances we might be willing to push their claims. But not always.

    But Lovers, Courtroom Bombers and Amnesiacs should most definitely claim today.

  3. ISO #453
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    scum could claim defense attorney and secure an inno on the defendant.
    so no, we're not gonna help a defense attorney.
    I'd say a real defense attorney should claim right now if they want a sliver of hope at pushing their reads.

  4. ISO #454

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Wow I am number 2 suspect. Roflol. I honestly find this funny.
    Yea tbh I don't like how you are a general scumread, and I really have the reaction at you being the early game random scumread as a strong town tell, already addressed this. I'm going to put you as strongest town read, just to make sure you don't get trial'd

    AND NO WE ARE NOT SCUMMATES DON'T EVEN TRY @Scum S.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  5. ISO #455

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    Thank you all for about 7 hours of posts. I will now begin isoing everyone.
    Nice, so our Judge is gonna start adding content too.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  6. ISO #456
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    I'd say a real defense attorney should claim right now if they want a sliver of hope at pushing their reads.
    Honestly, all neutrals should claim. There's a high chance of them being lynched if they get CC'd other days, and it fucks both ourselves, and them, over. The problem is that 3 mislynches (meaning non-Mafia lynches) would result in game over, so it'd be a little dangerous to try this Strat if the neutrals claim after the Mafia do.

  7. ISO #457

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Spoiler : cvote :
    Magoroth,Numbertwo,Distorted,Gyrlander,Kenny,Steal thbomber16,blinkskater,Voss,LightYagami,DamusGrave s,Mike,MarshmallowMarshall,


    At this point, I'm starting to think that 1-3 inactives are scum, likely at least 2. Not enough scummy people exist.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  8. ISO #458

  9. ISO #459

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    So after reading MM i can confirm 4 things for us at this time based on his interactions and wording.

    1: MM is scum and has honestly claimed in the day chat already.
    2: Mike is town and should be as green as me
    3: Blink is not in the mafia day chat with MM and should be dead middle of your vote at this time.
    4: Mog is as green as me and so far MVP if we win.

    I have other observations that will be checked against other posters
    B-B-B-B-BUT YOUR HONOR!!! WHAT HAVE I DONE TO DESERVE THY SCUMREAD????? I AM YOUR LOYAL ATTORNEY!!!!!!!!

    I'd seriously like some elaboration on this. Also my "scum claim" was OBVIOUSLY a joke... hell do you think I'm that dumb? @Slaol and you better not just answer "yes" and ignore me


    I agree about Mike, though.

    Yea, I'm not in a mafia chat with anyone sooo... But indeed, our votes should put him in the middle for now just so we can pressure the people who are here atm.

    Where the hell do you get that from about Mag??? He's done nothing strongly towny enough to has such a read on him. I didn't like the nitpicking at start of game either, and he hasn't commented more since then (but apparently he's posting rn).
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  10. ISO #460

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    yeah Slaol knows who scum are.
    Omg are you all just going to blindly sheep a mayor who doesn't explain shit and has no info we don't have???? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  11. ISO #461

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    @Slaol

    I see a claim on MM for neutral role scum.
    1: what does that mean
    2: I don't like "scum" being around my name
    3: I'm not neutral
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  12. ISO #462

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Omg are you all just going to blindly sheep a mayor who doesn't explain shit and has no info we don't have???? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
    if you actually read context you'd know that was sarcastic.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  13. ISO #463

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    I wont be explaining why because id like to watch him make the same scum mistakes further on, but he took specific action that are revealing. Several different ones that are almost strictly scum sided which almost no town ever does. He also actually hasnt contributed a thing if you pay attention.

    MM also claimed evil already.
    Hm, am I that special?

    Also I have contributed wtf, did you READ the thread??! I cannot defend against a "case" that consists of "You claimed scum" which was obviously a joke and "You didn't contribute" when I did, along with "You did actions that are usually coming from scum". Without any quotes. If you weren't confirmed town, I'd kick you in the bottom of my list with that behavior. You're literally using a joke to "confirm me as scum"... pssh
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  14. ISO #464

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    if you actually read context you'd know that was sarcastic.
    Well, I saw Mike starting to just change his mind 180 degrees and just put me as top vote because of the unexplained shit pulled by Slaol... and you have a sheep avatar x.x
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  15. ISO #465

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    You can do better than that man
    You kinda can too lol
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  16. ISO #466

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I have an idea people always tend to stop looking scummy when we say why we think they are one big adavage this town save has is the judge who we know is 100% pro town. What town say we let him say who he suspects but from here on out he don’t explain why. This way he can get good reads on us all. This will be very bad for scum but I think helpful to town. This way scum can not cover up there mistakes.
    Yes, and town cannot defend themselves. 10/10
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  17. ISO #467
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Lol.

    No, MM didn't claim. That's an absurd claim to make.

  18. ISO #468

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    Heres the role list
    1: MM the corrupt attorney
    2: Damus Graves the guilty
    3: Stealthbomber16 the corrupt juror
    4: Kenny the bomber
    5: Distorted just a shitty town
    6: #2 just a shitty town
    7: Blinkskater neutral executioner whos direction needs to be determined
    8: Gyrlander
    9: Light_yagami
    10: Voss
    11: Mike
    12: Mog
    13: Your Honors Truly
    If you were right, this would be the most obvious scum association solvable scum team ever.....

    Also I could see Blink being a neutral.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  19. ISO #469
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    B-B-B-B-BUT YOUR HONOR!!! WHAT HAVE I DONE TO DESERVE THY SCUMREAD????? I AM YOUR LOYAL ATTORNEY!!!!!!!!

    I'd seriously like some elaboration on this. Also my "scum claim" was OBVIOUSLY a joke... hell do you think I'm that dumb? @Slaol and you better not just answer "yes" and ignore me


    I agree about Mike, though.

    Yea, I'm not in a mafia chat with anyone sooo... But indeed, our votes should put him in the middle for now just so we can pressure the people who are here atm.

    Where the hell do you get that from about Mag??? He's done nothing strongly towny enough to has such a read on him. I didn't like the nitpicking at start of game either, and he hasn't commented more since then (but apparently he's posting rn).
    I bribed him

  20. ISO #470

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Why is Mag MM's #1 scum read?

    And why does Mag think Distorted is #1 town if Distorted hasn't talked.
    Because I didn't like his posts in early game. I see town mag in last posts, though, so I'm gonna move him up a bit. I think I'm just going to stick with a Blinkskater top vote today because I don't have anyone else that I scumread for their posts instead of their non-posting.

    Spoiler : cvote :
    blinkskater,Numbertwo,Distorted,Gyrlander,Kenny,Ma goroth,Voss,Stealthbomber16,DamusGraves,Mike,Light Yagami,MarshmallowMarshall,


    Btw the list is a bit messed up, I don't townread Mike that hard over everyone but I don't think he's trial-worthy right now either, and he's first choice so I put him there.
    I think Light is town so I put him higher too.

    Stealth, Voss and Damus are my townreads, and given the number of scums, there's probably one of them who is scum or neutral. Damus didn't do much lately so idk, I just hope he'll start posting more soon. If I had to bet on a scum on those three, it'd probably be Damus, but I still townread him quite much.

    Magoroth is more towny now, so I put him in the don't lynch yet zone.

    The people below Kenny, including Kenny himself, are in my lynch pool today. Inactives or scummy people. There aren't that many scummy active players, so there gotta be inactive scums.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  21. ISO #471

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Because I didn't like his posts in early game. I see town mag in last posts, though, so I'm gonna move him up a bit. I think I'm just going to stick with a Blinkskater top vote today because I don't have anyone else that I scumread for their posts instead of their non-posting.

    Spoiler : cvote :
    blinkskater,Numbertwo,Distorted,Gyrlander,Kenny,Ma goroth,Voss,Stealthbomber16,DamusGraves,Mike,Light Yagami,MarshmallowMarshall,


    Btw the list is a bit messed up, I don't townread Mike that hard over everyone but I don't think he's trial-worthy right now either, and he's first choice so I put him there.
    I think Light is town so I put him higher too.

    Stealth, Voss and Damus are my townreads, and given the number of scums, there's probably one of them who is scum or neutral. Damus didn't do much lately so idk, I just hope he'll start posting more soon. If I had to bet on a scum on those three, it'd probably be Damus, but I still townread him quite much.

    Magoroth is more towny now, so I put him in the don't lynch yet zone.

    The people below Kenny, including Kenny himself, are in my lynch pool today. Inactives or scummy people. There aren't that many scummy active players, so there gotta be inactive scums.
    I just realized that a part of my post doesn't say what it meant to say... I mean that I didn't rank people only in order of town ===> scum, but in order of townread getting voted =====> townread not getting voted =====> scumread.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  22. ISO #472

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Marshmallow, why are you so worried. you're not even in top 5.


    Also, here's a nonhost commentary on the vote system. Instead of pushing suspects here, I'd look at what the consensus is, find someone 'scummy' that I dont believe to be scummy, and someone 'towny' that I dont believe to be towny, and compare the two of them.


    Currently, LightYagami looks too high, but idk exactly I'd place em. And maybe I'll follow Slaol's lead and push Marsh up.

    It's a job for tomorrow though, so g'night.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  23. ISO #473

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Marshmallow, why are you so worried. you're not even in top 5.


    Also, here's a nonhost commentary on the vote system. Instead of pushing suspects here, I'd look at what the consensus is, find someone 'scummy' that I dont believe to be scummy, and someone 'towny' that I dont believe to be towny, and compare the two of them.


    Currently, LightYagami looks too high, but idk exactly I'd place em. And maybe I'll follow Slaol's lead and push Marsh up.

    It's a job for tomorrow though, so g'night.
    Because the Judge has decreed I was scum, and that the game is heading to a town loss right now because of it.

    Also, there is 0 valid reason to scumread Light_Yagami out of the fact that he's useless, whoever did it, can you explain why?
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  24. ISO #474

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    also, in case anyone's interested:

    Spoiler : Current Vote Pairs :
    (30%) Gyrlander > Distorted,
    (25%) Mike > LightYagami,
    (25%) Mike > MarshmallowMarshall,
    (25%) LightYagami > MarshmallowMarshall,
    (25%) LightYagami > Magoroth,
    (20%) Gyrlander > Kenny,
    (16%) MarshmallowMarshall > Kenny,
    (16%) LightYagami > Distorted,
    (16%) blinkskater > Distorted,
    (16%) blinkskater > Numbertwo,
    (16%) Mike > Distorted,
    (16%) Mike > Gyrlander,
    (12%) Mike > Kenny,
    (12%) Mike > Numbertwo,
    (12%) Mike > Magoroth,
    (12%) Stealthbomber16 > Numbertwo,
    (12%) MarshmallowMarshall > Stealthbomber16,
    (12%) Magoroth > Stealthbomber16,
    (12%) Stealthbomber16 > Voss,
    (12%) Kenny > Voss,
    (12%) LightYagami > DamusGraves,
    (12%) MarshmallowMarshall > DamusGraves,
    (12%) blinkskater > DamusGraves,
    (12%) Voss > DamusGraves,
    (12%) blinkskater > MarshmallowMarshall,
    (12%) Magoroth > MarshmallowMarshall,
    (12%) blinkskater > Magoroth,
    (9%) Numbertwo > Distorted,
    (9%) Voss > Distorted,
    (9%) Gyrlander > Numbertwo,
    (9%) Gyrlander > Voss,
    (7%) Mike > Stealthbomber16,
    (7%) Mike > DamusGraves,
    (7%) Stealthbomber16 > DamusGraves,
    (5%) Stealthbomber16 > Distorted,
    (5%) Gyrlander > Stealthbomber16,
    (5%) Numbertwo > Kenny,
    (5%) LightYagami > Kenny,
    (5%) blinkskater > Kenny,
    (5%) Magoroth > Kenny,
    (5%) Distorted > DamusGraves,
    (5%) MarshmallowMarshall > Distorted,
    (5%) Distorted > Magoroth,
    (5%) Gyrlander > DamusGraves,
    (5%) Numbertwo > LightYagami,
    (5%) MarshmallowMarshall > Numbertwo,
    (5%) Numbertwo > Magoroth,
    (5%) Voss > Numbertwo,
    (5%) LightYagami > Gyrlander,
    (5%) LightYagami > Voss,
    (5%) Gyrlander > MarshmallowMarshall,
    (5%) Gyrlander > blinkskater,
    (5%) Gyrlander > Magoroth,
    (5%) MarshmallowMarshall > Voss,
    (5%) blinkskater > Voss,
    (5%) Magoroth > Voss,
    (0%) blinkskater > Mike,
    (0%) Voss > Mike,
    (0%) Kenny > Stealthbomber16,
    (0%) LightYagami > Stealthbomber16,
    (0%) blinkskater > Stealthbomber16,
    (0%) Distorted > Kenny,
    (0%) DamusGraves > Kenny,
    (0%) Numbertwo > DamusGraves,
    (0%) Magoroth > DamusGraves,
    (0%) blinkskater > LightYagami]

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  25. ISO #475

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Because the Judge has decreed I was scum, and that the game is heading to a town loss right now because of it.

    Also, there is 0 valid reason to scumread Light_Yagami out of the fact that he's useless, whoever did it, can you explain why?
    no i can't because I don't know what you're asking me lololol

    I just said I think Light's a little high, and you're a little low. But I like the makeup of the red zone right now.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  26. ISO #476

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Spoiler : cvote :
    Mike,blinkskater,Gyrlander,Numbertwo,DamusGraves,M arshmallowMarshall,LightYagami,Distorted,Stealthbo mber16,Kenny,Magoroth,Voss,

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  27. ISO #477

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    no i can't because I don't know what you're asking me lololol

    I just said I think Light's a little high, and you're a little low. But I like the makeup of the red zone right now.
    I didn't ask you specifically, I asked everyone who suspects Light_Yagami to tell us why they do, because it wasn't discussed but he's the second general consensus suspect...
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  28. ISO #478

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Spoiler : cvote :
    Mike,blinkskater,Gyrlander,Numbertwo,DamusGraves,M arshmallowMarshall,LightYagami,Distorted,Stealthbo mber16,Kenny,Magoroth,Voss,
    Why is Kenny that high?
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  29. ISO #479

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Anyway I'm gonna eat now, dunno if I'll come back today.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  30. ISO #480

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    It’s been 4 years.
    I’m literally at work.
    I don’t have my notes with me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    Also fun fact at work post irregular
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Because I didn't like his posts in early game. I see town mag in last posts, though, so I'm gonna move him up a bit. I think I'm just going to stick with a Blinkskater top vote today because I don't have anyone else that I scumread for their posts instead of their non-posting.

    Spoiler : cvote :
    blinkskater,Numbertwo,Distorted,Gyrlander,Kenny,Ma goroth,Voss,Stealthbomber16,DamusGraves,Mike,Light Yagami,MarshmallowMarshall,


    Btw the list is a bit messed up, I don't townread Mike that hard over everyone but I don't think he's trial-worthy right now either, and he's first choice so I put him there.
    I think Light is town so I put him higher too.

    Stealth, Voss and Damus are my townreads, and given the number of scums, there's probably one of them who is scum or neutral. Damus didn't do much lately so idk, I just hope he'll start posting more soon. If I had to bet on a scum on those three, it'd probably be Damus, but I still townread him quite much.

    Magoroth is more towny now, so I put him in the don't lynch yet zone.

    The people below Kenny, including Kenny himself, are in my lynch pool today. Inactives or scummy people. There aren't that many scummy active players, so there gotta be inactive scums.
    >>

  31. ISO #481
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Keep in mind that my placing someone in a specific order in my vote does not necessarily mean I view his scumminess as being between X and Y, but rather that I would lynch him over Y, and X over them.

    The same with Distorted. I obviously cannot read him as he has not posted, but I'd prefer for him to be alive, out of many people in the game, because:

    a) He advances the game as either scum or town.

    b) He is a very good town.

    c) I'm confident in my ability to read him.

  32. ISO #482

  33. ISO #483

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Ok. To avoid making this a wallpost that takes an hour to read, ill try to keep to relevant and meaningful things to respond to.


    Funny posts thus far.
    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    Yes.

    Spoiler : OBJECTION!!! :
    Code:
    import java.io.BufferedReader; 
    import java.io.IOException; 
    import java.io.InputStreamReader; 
    public class HelloWorld {
    
    
        public static void main(String[] args) throws NumberFormatException, IOException {
            BufferedReader reader = new BufferedReader(new InputStreamReader(System.in)); 
    intnumberOfElectors=Integer.parseInt(reader.readLine());//Input like this: 4. numberOfElectors=Integer.parseInt(reader.readLine());//Input like this: 4. 
            String ballot;
            String[] mapping=new String[numberOfElectors];
    int []integerBallot=newint[numberOfElectors];
    int [][]ballotMatrix=newint[numberOfElectors][numberOfElectors]; 
            int min=0;
            int max=0;
            int winner=0;
            int tie=0;
    /*for(int i=0; i<numberOfElectors;  i++)
            {
                mapping[i]=reader.readLine();
            }*/
    for(intj=0; j<numberOfElectors; j++)
            {
    for(inti=0; i<numberOfElectors; i++)
    integerBallot[i]=Integer.parseInt(reader.readLine());//Standard input is a sequence of numbers, followed by space.
    //ballot = Console.readLine();
    //toIntegerVote(convertToStringArray(ballot, numberOfElectors, numberOfElectors), mapping, numberOfElectors);
    for(inta=0; a<numberOfElectors-1; a++)
    for(intq=a+1; q<numberOfElectors; q++)
                    {
    ballotMatrix[integerBallot[a]-1][integerBallot[q]-1]=ballotMatrix[integerBallot[a]-1][integerBallot[q]-1]+1;
    //basically, this is where the "individual matrices" for each vote get calculated and summed up to the final matrix.
                    }
            }
    for(inti=0; i<numberOfElectors; i++)
            {
                min=0;
    for(intj=0; j<numberOfElectors; j++)
                {
    if(ballotMatrix[i][j=]=>numberOfElectors/2)
    min++; //finding candidate with highest number of wins. min is a poor name for this variable
                }
                if(max<min)
                {    
    max=min; //basically, if there is a candidate with more wins than the current candidate, it gets selected as the winner
    winner=i;
                    tie=0;
                }
                else if(max==min)
    tie=i;    //otherwise if they are tied, a runner-up is selected.
            }
            if(tie==0)
                System.out.println("The winner is: "+(winner+1)+ "!");    
    else
                System.out.println("The winner is: Tie between "+(winner+1) + " and " + (tie+1));
    
    
        }
    
    
    }v






    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    Why is Slaol in your vote? And why are you after him? he is literally confirmed town.
    rofl this is just funny.

    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    I'm not going to interact with any of you, i'm just going to vote
    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    will you explain why distorted is so high?
    I swear i was holding it for a friend.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Excellent.

    I barely understand what’s happening this game. So I’m gonna be here. Occasionally. I’m on my phone for the next half hour. I’ll pop in from time to time to add low quality shit.
    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    You see where it says patron under my name? If anyone can put this there instead they will be moved right between distorted and voss on my voting list.
    so far best post of the game

    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    I'm to weak and soft for this, my testicular fortitude is bring compromised by someone swinging a his purple dick at me
    LOL ok this 1 gives the last post a run for its money.





    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    Hope I Do This Right

    Spoiler : cvote :
    LightYagami, Gyrlander, Distorted, Blinkskater, MarshmallowMarshall,Magoroth
    now since im not quoting funny posts anymore. this immediately strikes my attention. Yagami has me as a town read early in the game.......yagami never thinks im town in any game. usually he has me at an "guilty until you prove yourself otherwise" mentality towards me. The only other game he said i was town in was the japanese names thingy, which he was not town in..

    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    Hopefully i can copypasta from my phone i wont have access to a cpu untill like 1 month
    wtf 1 month?? why????



    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    Its probally a good thing for town to have MM up high on their lists tbh, he will call me scum at some point in the near future thus confirming myself as town.
    for anyone who doesn't do meta reads, understand that so far this is 100% true.

    MM scumreads blink = blink town and MM town.
    MM townreads blink = blink scum or MM scum

    This has a so far 100% success rate in over 10 games now over multiple websites (MafiaUniverse and sc2maf).

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Can Mag and MM stop arguing about this slaol vote nonsense. It's not evidence for scum. If there were a mayor in this game that COULD be voted, I'd put myself above him/her because I'd rather be lynched than confirmed town.
    for the voting thing (which is probably completely irrelevant now) I agree with this to an extent. I have seem some horrible, horrible mayors that the town has actually had to fight against to win.... however that was the mod =P

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    As shitty as it's gonna look... I read blink as town
    .............................. -.-


    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    my bad. I'd like someone to point out what are the harms in letting a benign neutral claim so they can shut Voss's stupid ideas up. If there aren't any, then let's allow them to do it without auto lynching them.
    to be fair, last time you tried to get neutrals to reveal day 1 you were scum =P

    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    Also i'd like to hear if anyone thinks MM and i could be Scum VS Scum?
    no. If you were scum vs scum it would be blown up so much more. lol I know how much you like FPS plays. This is too subtle for what I think you would do with MM as scum vs scum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    I'm still your top.
    so far your about to be mine to. You seem to come in only when someone votes you or you are coming in to address where you are on the vote list.

    TBH i was scumreading Voss, mike, and Gyrlander the most so far until:

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    ok



    yikes, the islamophobia is high here.



    MM don't humor an answer here. please.



    oh HELLO actual scum.

    Spoiler : cvote :
    Mike,Blinkskater,Gyrlander,Numbertwo,Stealthbomber 16,Distorted,DamusGraves,LightYagami,Magoroth,Mars hmallowMarshall,Kenny,Voss,
    Now Voss is a neutral read for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Wow because I agreed he make a valid point makes me scum??????? Interesting Did blink hit a nerve? and the point I saw it scare you? You where a big town read until this last post.
    LOL gotta love differing perspectives.



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  34. ISO #484
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    omg. im catching up right now and i visited the condorcet voting page, clicked on "generate vote code" and it auto copy'd it. removed about half of my quotes i had.... I have the first parts in a word file in case of accidently deleting..but gdi lol
    ​This is possibly an Amnesiac soft-claim. Amnesiac don't believe in God, because they obviously believe themselves to be dead people, and you cannot be half-dead in Christianity, so..

    This is possibly fake, he's trying to say that he doesn't know how to vote, maybe a subtle message that you are willing to vote with anyone ?? =P

    Sounds like you had quite a lengthy post for so early on in the game =P executioner much?


    And now you invoke God's name within the same post. Are you Rachyl?

  35. ISO #485

  36. ISO #486
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Btw, in the "code" post that Distorted just quoted, theres's a few comments that somewhat explain the algorithm that calculates the Condorcet winner.

    You can use those comments to try and understand how Condorcet works.

  37. ISO #487

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    ​This is possibly an Amnesiac soft-claim. Amnesiac don't believe in God, because they obviously believe themselves to be dead people, and you cannot be half-dead in Christianity, so..

    This is possibly fake, he's trying to say that he doesn't know how to vote, maybe a subtle message that you are willing to vote with anyone ?? =P

    Sounds like you had quite a lengthy post for so early on in the game =P executioner much?


    And now you invoke God's name within the same post. Are you Rachyl?
    Sheep me or burn in an eternal like of fire >=O

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  38. ISO #488
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    Sheep me or burn in an eternal like of fire >=O
    No u sheep me, reprobate

  39. ISO #489

  40. ISO #490

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    No u sheep me, reprobate
    This is a christian thread, only posts about jesus christ, WHO DIED FOR YOUR SINS, allowed.

    but hold on ima catch up so i know whats going on. so far im leaning towards mike,gyrlander,damus/MM,voss,yagami,stealth,kenny,damus/MM,mag,blink

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  41. ISO #491
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Why is Kenny that high?
    Kenny is always scum

  42. ISO #492

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    This is a christian thread, only posts about jesus christ, WHO DIED FOR YOUR SINS, allowed.

    but hold on ima catch up so i know whats going on. so far im leaning towards mike,gyrlander,damus/MM,voss,yagami,stealth,kenny,damus/MM,mag,blink
    post 320 reads reasonings:

    Mike seems opportunistic. The 1 game I played with him he felt a lot more logical and seemed to press at players in an almost systematical approach. However, outside of meta I see him doing the OMGUS voting and jumping at people for small things. I would agree with it if he were to follow up with more prying. but it seems shallow, almost forced interactions.

    Gyrlander is usually someone i get frustrated by their playstyle. He is usually always a low poster as well in games, and low content. But the game he was scum with Aivion he was acting just like this. He was present without being present. He only came forward to address votes on him and, in retrospect, votes on Aivion. I wrote him off to be "too scummy to be scum" but he was scum; so I am not making that mistake again.

    Damus/MM: I have a strong TvW vibe to this. If it was not for their interactions with each other directly i would have them both townread. but also MM townreading blink.........we are talkign ab out 10+ games of meta that shows blink or MM is scum. The reason I do not have a MM/blink scumread up is due to blinks playstyle. blink is a FPS player (fancy playstyle) - I do not see him playing this sarcastic as scum. He is also more offensive than defensive, which I think fits his town meta. He tends to logically divert conversations as scum and not just confront them in, what could potentially become, a shitfest.

    Voss: Voss is a top tier player. Very experienced in multiple forms of Mafia so he is a hard read. His strategy for having neutrals reveal I can see the benefit, however if neutrals dont play into what town wants or a scum even gambles on 1 of the neutrals being an anti town mentality, than the game could potentially be lost right here. in the cold wars game Voss pushed to have the neutral reveal by fake claiming neutral day 1. He was scum in that game and the reasoning behind him trying to find neutrals was to eliminate his kill/lynch targets. He was town hunting in that game.

    Yagami: Meta: yagami is a roleplayer. as town he usually has a persona (in the mod as well) that he upholds. I used to lynch him in the mod every time he didnt start the game out roleplaying with *walks into town with _____* and it was 100% accurate. we even used to joke about that. his last game i played with him (check it in the archives or i can find it for you) he opened with *walks into town* as well. He also put me as a higher town read, however he did later say he was just testing the voting system. but i dont believe he voted again.

    Stealth tends to play more in the background, just like gyrlander is playing now, as scum. but I have stronger scumreads than him atm.

    kenny hasnt really made any impression on me in the thread yet. could be reserved scum? but like stealth, I have higher scumreads on other players right now.

    mag: town meta. seems to be trying to solve and I do not see any AI interactions. I have not had a chance to really see mag as a scum yet so honestly im just waiting until a complete differnece of playstyle lol (im watching you mag >=O ) but if he doenst surrender himself to the lord jesus christ i may have to move him up in my scumreads.

    reasoning for blink is explained above already.

    thats my post 320 catchup. reads may change in the next 150 posts though.

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  43. ISO #493

  44. ISO #494

  45. ISO #495

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I never said it was anti town I agreed with you Ie why i strong town read you but He does make a point and I will not back down from that.
    so why do you currnetly scumread Voss? it seems like the ONLY thing that has changed was he voted you at the top of his list. literally, the ONLY change.

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  46. ISO #496

  47. ISO #497

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Well if I have to break down why I agree here it is Blink starts off with you can use the fact that you got a Nuet Evil lyched to confirm you are town to lead the town off the scum hunt of the red targets and get towncred for it. He is saying that it would be a Good move for a red player to use. I see the strat in that. I agree that is is Posable. this is why I will not back down on agreeing it is a posable thought. the fact you flipped out on me agreeing with that is why I now scum read you. You are acting like Blink caught your plan. A townie would shrug it off like hmm yes I can see that. Not get as freaked out as you are acting now. Does this explain it to you why????
    lol ill read further before pinging.....

    He did not flip out. he just moved you up on his scumlist and you reacted with a string of posts and are now saying he is freaking out........

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  48. ISO #498

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    You do this exact same shit or a similar variant of it every game and people are getting sick of it.
    Last game blink plyed seriously he caught all 3 scum day 1. Narrowed the pool to 4 people, gylander was the one wrong read in there. He has caught me with his plays multiple times as well. Only reason I got out of 1 of them was because we were able to turbo lynch who he thougth my scummate was. other than that, blinks play is solid.

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  49. ISO #499
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    @Magoroth what are your current reasonings behind your votes/reads btw? ill read it once i catch up but I am seeing very little reads lists.... im surprised MM hasnt pointed this out yet
    Deamus and MM seem fake. And their quick jumping on Mike was something I also didn't like. Deamus more or less redeemed himself (to some extent), however, as he posted more and more I found it easier to understand his motivation.

    I, however, don't like MM jumping on Mike so quickly one bit.

    Maybe they are bussing

    :don't know:

  50. ISO #500

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    You asked a question. I answered.

    But thanks for being condescending, really raises other players' opinions of you and makes them want to play with you.
    You literally criticized him then say he is being condescending when he responds? That is classic baiting.

    here is the quote you are saying he is condescending towards:



    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    Lol hush child, i play the way i play. I dont break any rules and i have fun doing it.
    here is the quote he is responding to:

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    You do this exact same shit or a similar variant of it every game and people are getting sick of it.

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