S-FM Turnabout Mafia

[blinkskater]

All right so based on my findings I think it's clear to say that Voss VS blink is not scum vs scum. And blink vs mm is not scum vs scum? Do you at least agree with me there Vossy ole pal?

[blinkskater]

Only AIVION knows.... mwahaa xD

Soda I LOL

[Voss]

So essentially what you're saying is all scum has to do is have good points and be active and they will essentially win the game because they will never be scum read? It's going to be that easy to trick you when I roll scum? =P

no.
and no.

[Gyrlander]

the only reason you're up there on my vote list is whenever i've played with you, by day 3, you're no where to be found. you have good points when you do talk, but you disappear.

Yeah, consdiering it has been quite a while since you last played...

[blinkskater]

no.
and no.

You're a persistant little peach arn't you lol

[Mike]

You are scum reading me because it appears that I'm flipping out because Blink caught onto my plan. My plan being me claiming neutral, getting another neutral lynched, then claiming town...?

There are so many things wrong with this.
1. If I had just cced someone and got scum lynched, why would I claim town?
2. If I had just cced someone and got scum lynched, and not claim town, why would people follow me?
3. In the above scenario, you'd have to have 3 people claim neutral, me be able to pick out which one is the bomber, AND have the real last neutral not claim. So town eliminates the bomber, leaving 2 neutral claims, and one hidden claim. Then town proceeds to eliminate the other last liar between me and the other fake neutral claimer, and we get another scum out. Now, on another day, the real last neutral claims, and gets lynched because everyone thinks i'm the real one. When all the neutrals get lynched, everyone realizes I'm lying, and I get lynched. wow did town just eliminate 4 non towns members??? NO WAY.
4. I also haven't even begun to claim neutral, so blink calling me out on my plan is purely speculative.
5. Town should never EVER EVER EVER EVER claim neutral in this setup. There's no night kill. There's no point.


Also, back at you. I'm not freaking out. I'm trying to point out to everyone else that you're being inconsistent and you're scum for it.

You're implying that I'm flipping out because you're agreeing with Blink, but also say that I'm flipping out because Blink caught my plan. So which is it? You agreeing with Blink, or getting caught by blink? You are being inconsistent and trying to scum paint me for it. Back off.

You do make good points but I am not flip flopping I am not siding with Blink all I said was he made a valid point. I am not scum painting you. As I have said over and over he makes a valid point not once did I say I agree with him. But your reaction is what made me suspicious of you. What I don’t want is a town vets town. If I was scum ask your self why would I attack’s you? It would only point me out as scum to fast. Does this obsolve you no. Does this obsolve me no. But I know I am not scum. It is up to you to figure out that. And I don’t think we need to stop putting heat on everyone. So we find the true scum. But I can say 100% I am not scum. And I will continue to scum hunt. If that means putting pressure on everyone then that is what I do because the second we put some one as garnered town we lose as a town other than our Judge I mean.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Okay so Blink really go nothing from what he did, at least he claims so. That's not town blink. Town blink wouldn't just back it off and say "Oh, it's a mistake, I got nothing" and not bring anything new. That's not what he does. He would push it til the end, or retract it ALONG WITH INFO COMING, or just not do that shit. So *kicks blink down the list* HERE YOU GO

Spoiler : cvote :

Blinkskater,Magoroth,Numbertwo,Gyrlander,Kenny,Dis torted,Mike,Stealthbomber16,Voss,LightYagami,Damus Graves,MarshmallowMarshall,

Also stealth gets townpoints for his insight on the game in the recent posts. Maybe I'll address them specifically too

[blinkskater]

Spoiler : cvote :

Stealthbomber16,Voss,DamusGraves,Kenny,Numbertwo,M ike,LightYagami,Magoroth,MarshmallowMarshall,Gyrla nder,Distorted,Blinkskater,

Boom shaka laka.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

You do this exact same shit or a similar variant of it every game and people are getting sick of it.

cough cough

I would say this more nicely, but... kinda. If you're town, you're just nailing your grave with those plays. There's a reason fancy play syndrome is called a syndrome: it's not good.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

My scum reads at this point is Light and Voss and Blink as posable Nuet. there has been a lot of talk about some bomber if that is true. My question is who do we go for first ie who is bigger threat? Bomber or the Red? I am thinking Red first then Bomber. Please let me know If i am wrong and why. We need theses thoughts out in the open so we dont screw this town win up. Hidding only helps scum.

The red team is obviously the main threat. We don't even know which neutrals we have.

[blinkskater]

Okay so Blink really go nothing from what he did, at least he claims so. That's not town blink. Town blink wouldn't just back it off and say "Oh, it's a mistake, I got nothing" and not bring anything new. That's not what he does. He would push it til the end, or retract it ALONG WITH INFO COMING, or just not do that shit. So *kicks blink down the list* HERE YOU GO

Spoiler : cvote :

Blinkskater,Magoroth,Numbertwo,Gyrlander,Kenny,Dis torted,Mike,Stealthbomber16,Voss,LightYagami,Damus Graves,MarshmallowMarshall,

Also stealth gets townpoints for his insight on the game in the recent posts. Maybe I'll address them specifically too

Lol just because i said i have got nothing from it doesn't mean i ACTUALLY got nothing from it. If you catch my drift. With this voting system i'm sure you can figure it out.

[blinkskater]

cough cough

I would say this more nicely, but... kinda. If you're town, you're just nailing your grave with those plays. There's a reason fancy play syndrome is called a syndrome: it's not good.

...... What kind of fps have i pulled here i'd love to fucking know

[Mike]

The red team is obviously the main threat. We don't even know which neutrals we have.

Ty for that answer. What are your thoughts on Voss? Am I wrong with my reads?

[blinkskater]

It can also be refered to as fancy play style... It's also been successfully pulled off in the past. I really don't get why everybody always hates on me at least I'm active. *looks at stealth* my reads are generally good to. But no i'm a toxic gamethrower right?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

After reading the thread I find my reads are very much in line with everyone else's. Not sure why Kenny falls so low on the cvote though, I don't seem to remember him doing too much?

I apologize if I end up being a lurker this game, it's due to IRL circumstances but I'll slug it out. Working hard and currently somewhat unmotivated.

Spoiler : cvote :

Blinkskater,Mike,Gyrlander,LightYagami,Distorted,N umbertwo,Kenny,Magoroth,MarshmallowMarshall,Voss,D amusGraves

Blink - Fairly obvious. Looks scummy as hell for his neutral claims and his emotional bending is straight out of PTB's book. It backfired so he pulls it back. This looks a lot like a scum blink slot to me.
Mike - As Voss has pointed out, Mike's sudden defense of blink and himself looks really bad, and the fact that he didn't care to comment on those going on blink until it started to look bad for himself doesn't help his case.
Gyrlander/Light_Yagami - Pretty much interchangable. Both players are historic for not adding shit. Both go near the top to encourage them to add shit.
----- LINE OF NO LYNCH -----
Distorted/Numbertwo/Kenny/Magoroth - Didn't know where to put them so they all go here. These are either players that have not given any input or that I don't remember giving any significant input, but I'm currently on about 5 hours of sleep so take this with a grain of salt as I'm going to reread tomorrow.
Marshmallow Marshall - Solid posts. Standard town player.
Voss - Excellent detective work on Mike. Very contributive. Good 'ol Voss pulls through.
Damus_Graves - I do actually townread Voss more than Damus but just want to emphasize how much Damus actually has been doing. He has been actively here the entire time, answering and asking questions. I don't see MM or Voss being lynched but I could see someone make a Damus case and that just ain't gonna fly IMO. Just want to move him down to the very bottom for now.
Me/Slaol - We're town.

If Mike was to get lynched and to flip anything red, Blink would definetly be next. And if Blink was to flip red, Mike would definetly be next too. Not 100%, but at least strongly, STRONGLY looked at.

I hate how you put Gyrlander and Kira in the same bunch. I hate even more how the fact that Gyrlander is as useless as Kira is right now. @Gyrlander YOU HAVE TO BREAK THE NO ACTIVITY ON D1 META.

The bunch of "idk where to put them"... It would literally be sum up the entire game to address this so I'll pass. Just gonna say it's not 100% accurate, but you already said it might be so all good lol.

Yay

Yes, Voss is very pro-town. He's also a very good scum. I townread him but I wouldn't go too far with my townread on him.

I don't know Damus' level of skill as scum, but he's definetly a very pro-town player that deserves to be spared

[blinkskater]

MM... Stealth literally said he scum reads me for my neutral claims... I claimed it once jokingly, and then recanted it right away. You find that scummy?

[blinkskater]

So what happens if i'm #1 by the end of the day i go to trial?

[blinkskater]

The setup was very confusing for someone with such a low IQ like myself.

[Voss]

If you voted but don't see your votes when you click your name on the Condorcet Calculator website, let me know. You can also check other people's current votes by clicking on other people's names.

[Voss]

So what happens if i'm #1 by the end of the day i go to trial?

yes.

[blinkskater]

yes.

Good, i look foreward to it hopefully my attorney isn't a POS

[Stealthbomber16]

Efe
Yagami
Racyl
Blinkskater
Just because we play in our own way, doesn't mean we deserved to be put down.

Tell me how Rachyl or Efe's playstyles are productive? Tell me what Yagami has done that has made him win?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

MM... Stealth literally said he scum reads me for my neutral claims... I claimed it once jokingly, and then recanted it right away. You find that scummy?

Not really, maybe Mike was right about you retracting it because you saw it wasn't going to work, but I honestly don't think he is. What Stealth said and I agree with is that your emotional play is scummy and is a low blow, AND you say you got nothing from it. Town blink gets something from most things, and from ANY THING he starts like this. You may not be going as far as PTB does with it (and at least you retracted it), but it was seriously heavy, and I reacted proportionally. I am obviously biased, though, and it is part of the reasons for which, even if you don't consider the human aspect of that strategy, it is a bad thing to do as you did. Pressure is ok, stress is ok, but going in deep salt that goes close to hatred for unexplained (and non-existant ) reasons is a really bad thing.

But townies can misplay, the point I want to make is that you say you got nothing from it, and I am 100% sure that there was something, probably A LOT to get out of it. This means that you initiated that with a scum intent, probably discrediting and/or scumpainting me hardcore....
And do you know the best in that? If you are actually town, you can't blame me for thinking it, because an inner attribute of the strategy you used is to cause bias, at least a short-timed one. So now I am asking you: don't do it again. Seriously.

[Stealthbomber16]

You Get Good Non Corrupt Attorney Points From Me Here

I literally just copypasted a list. if that gets me townpoints then your reads are shit.

[blinkskater]

Not really sure why everyone finds me so scummy. I'm not agendaish. My posts are free flowing. I interact with everyone. Im not laying back avoiding confrontation. Im active. I post my current reads (via) condorcet as often as i can. But sure, guess im scum for acting like a townie.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

So what happens if i'm #1 by the end of the day i go to trial?

Yes. Then, one of the people who had you as the #1 suspect becomes your Prosecuting Attorney, and one of the people who had you as most towny (I guess that if noone had you as such, it's just the guy who townread you the most) becomes your Defending Attorney. And then the Jury votes if you are Guilty or Innocent, and the Judge breaks ties. @AIVION Correct?

[Stealthbomber16]

Stealth i claimed neutral in a jokingly tone one time, and as far as you compairing my play to PTBS im deeply insulted.

But you literally did pull a PTB. In every game we've played together where he was scum, PTB has done some of the exact same shit you're doing right now. Your play right now is highly reminiscent of PTB's scumgame, of which I will remind you I correctly called out two games in a row now. We lost both times because nobody else saw it.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

The setup was very confusing for someone with such a low IQ like myself.

True

Go F*** yourself liar xD

[Stealthbomber16]

Done for now, can't stay, but I would love to. Good night.

[Stealthbomber16]

The setup was very confusing for someone with such a low IQ like myself.

hell yeah brother

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Ty for that answer. What are your thoughts on Voss? Am I wrong with my reads?

My thoughts are in the post addressing Stealth's list, and they are also all over the thread because I'm active :P

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Done for now, can't stay, but I would love to. Good night.

Goodbye great berry, you will be missed.

[blinkskater]

Tell me how Rachyl or Efe's playstyles are productive? Tell me what Yagami has done that has made him win?

They have reads/thoughts/ input twords the game, they are people. It's your choice whether you want to town or scum read them for it. Yagami is the same way he participates posts reads and his reasons. Just because they dont fall into the way you think they should, doesn't make them wrong. And i don't know what games yagami has even won. But they all contribute in their own ways. Its not your place to ridicule.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Tell me how Rachyl or Efe's playstyles are productive? Tell me what Yagami has done that has made him win?

The post Stealth quotes here.... I had missed it. It is literally a shame that Blink posts this. Those people are all literally USELESS for their team. Just because you see blue as purple, doesn't mean blue is purple. It just means your perception of colors is fucked up. Well, it's the same for plays.

[blinkskater]

Lol just because i said i have got nothing from it doesn't mean i ACTUALLY got nothing from it. If you catch my drift. With this voting system i'm sure you can figure it out.

Sighs @Marshmallow Marshall

[Mike]

If Mike was to get lynched and to flip anything red, Blink would definetly be next. And if Blink was to flip red, Mike would definetly be next too. Not 100%, but at least strongly, STRONGLY looked at.

I hate how you put Gyrlander and Kira in the same bunch. I hate even more how the fact that Gyrlander is as useless as Kira is right now. @Gyrlander YOU HAVE TO BREAK THE NO ACTIVITY ON D1 META.

The bunch of "idk where to put them"... It would literally be sum up the entire game to address this so I'll pass. Just gonna say it's not 100% accurate, but you already said it might be so all good lol.

Yay

Yes, Voss is very pro-town. He's also a very good scum. I townread him but I wouldn't go too far with my townread on him.

I don't know Damus' level of skill as scum, but he's definetly a very pro-town player that deserves to be spared

I am blown away how everyone thinks I am with blink please reread my posts. He has been suspect ever since he claimed he was nuet. I said one thing he posted makes sense and now I am his scum mate fine lych me and blink gg game over lych a town and nuet or scum I don’t know.

[AIVION]

Only AIVION knows.... mwahaa xD

<3

Courtroom bomber is a survivor that can blow up trials. He/She doesn't need to.

Amnesiac is a survivor that can town/scum side, but if they do that, it's revealed.

Insane Defense attorney could benefit from working with town to just get a trial off and achieve the win

Insane Prosecuting attorney:. Really depends on playstyle. This is based on whether he/she thinks they can get them lynched without the town's help.

i don't see where scum blends in. if scum claim the neutral spots, and then on day 3 a real neutral ccs them, we'd just not believe them, and the neutral would lose.

@AIVION , what happens when someone is voted guilty. It doesn't say. I know this is a dumb question, but just being clear here

If you are voted up to trial and the Jury decides you guilty, you are dead. The next day talks of your trial, and you are G U I L T Y And are dead. Role flip etc etc.
All good : P I encourage people to ask questions even if they feel they are dumb.

Yes. Then, one of the people who had you as the #1 suspect becomes your Prosecuting Attorney, and one of the people who had you as most towny (I guess that if noone had you as such, it's just the guy who townread you the most) becomes your Defending Attorney. And then the Jury votes if you are Guilty or Innocent, and the Judge breaks ties. @AIVION Correct?

Essentially, yes! However in cases like there being an insane defense/prosecuting attorney or a bunch of people with said person as highest or lowest on their list the persons being assigned as defense or prosecuting attorney may vary.
Hopefully that made sense…

[blinkskater]

Dude this is FM you're blowing what went on way out of proportion calling hatrid into the mix? Are you kidding me dude? From my perspective it was a soft push at you to get your response under emotional pressure nothing more nothing less.

[blinkskater]

I am blown away how everyone thinks I am with blink please reread my posts. He has been suspect ever since he claimed he was nuet. I said one thing he posted makes sense and now I am his scum mate fine lych me and blink gg game over lych a town and nuet or scum I don’t know.

Yeah dude it's literally bullshit.

[blinkskater]

The post Stealth quotes here.... I had missed it. It is literally a shame that Blink posts this. Those people are all literally USELESS for their team. Just because you see blue as purple, doesn't mean blue is purple. It just means your perception of colors is fucked up. Well, it's the same for plays.

I'm not even going to respond to this.

[Mike]

Not really, maybe Mike was right about you retracting it because you saw it wasn't going to work, but I honestly don't think he is. What Stealth said and I agree with is that your emotional play is scummy and is a low blow, AND you say you got nothing from it. Town blink gets something from most things, and from ANY THING he starts like this. You may not be going as far as PTB does with it (and at least you retracted it), but it was seriously heavy, and I reacted proportionally. I am obviously biased, though, and it is part of the reasons for which, even if you don't consider the human aspect of that strategy, it is a bad thing to do as you did. Pressure is ok, stress is ok, but going in deep salt that goes close to hatred for unexplained (and non-existant ) reasons is a really bad thing.

But townies can misplay, the point I want to make is that you say you got nothing from it, and I am 100% sure that there was something, probably A LOT to get out of it. This means that you initiated that with a scum intent, probably discrediting and/or scumpainting me hardcore....
And do you know the best in that? If you are actually town, you can't blame me for thinking it, because an inner attribute of the strategy you used is to cause bias, at least a short-timed one. So now I am asking you: don't do it again. Seriously.

This is so Town MM not this one post but I will go one to say I do believe MM is town 90% Shure

[Voss]

I am blown away how everyone thinks I am with blink please reread my posts. He has been suspect ever since he claimed he was nuet. I said one thing he posted makes sense and now I am his scum mate fine lych me and blink gg game over lych a town and nuet or scum I don’t know.

I think retracting a benign claim (that wasn't even a HARD/SPECIFIC benign claim) within 2 posts shouldn't be held against blink. I'd still like him gone for claiming to not understand why encouraging neut claims is good as well as threatening to replace out within the first 5 pages.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Dude this is FM you're blowing what went on way out of proportion calling hatrid into the mix? Are you kidding me dude? From my perspective it was a soft push at you to get your response under emotional pressure nothing more nothing less.

I think you don't understand what emotional pressure is... Stress is good to get reads. But salt and (yes the word is going far), I believe I said almost btw, so probably more like anger, are not good. And in this way, Stealth is not wrong when he says it's similar to PTB's set. Notice that I am in no way comparing you to PTB as a person, but your play styles were very similar at this point of the game.

[blinkskater]

I think retracting a benign claim (that wasn't even a HARD/SPECIFIC benign claim) within 2 posts shouldn't be held against blink. I'd still like him gone for claiming to not understand why encouraging neut claims is good as well as threatening to replace out within the first 5 pages.

Oh come on theres a MEME for that sheepsaysmeep. If i am scum im just like him. Nobody wants to be reffered to as sheepsaysmeep, just ask MM.... No just no im not scum. Just because i don't agree with you doesn't make me scum. Voss do you like oranges? "Yes blink"
Oh well i don't you must be scum because we don't agree on something.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I think retracting a benign claim (that wasn't even a HARD/SPECIFIC benign claim) within 2 posts shouldn't be held against blink. I'd still like him gone for claiming to not understand why encouraging neut claims is good as well as threatening to replace out within the first 5 pages.

Yea it's not the reason I am pushing at him as I said. And it's not Stealth's either. HOWEVER, Blink is trying to make it LOOK like it's the reason he's scumread, and the only guy who said so was Mike, and he didn't even really push at him. I said that it was a maybe but it was UNLIKELY. What is scummy about this story is not the story itself, but how blink twists it.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Oh come on theres a MEME for that sheepsaysmeep. If i am scum im just like him. Nobody wants to be reffered to as sheepsaysmeep, just ask MM.... No just no im not scum. Just because i don't agree with you doesn't make me scum. Voss do you like oranges? "Yes blink"
Oh well i don't you must be scum because we don't agree on something.

No, you're literally avoiding the points stealth and I are making on you.

[blinkskater]

Literally if i flip scum i will be on sheepsaysmeep status. And i would rather run full speed into a telephone pole then be on sheepsaysmeep status.

[Voss]

idk what sheepsaysmeep is.

[blinkskater]

No, you're literally avoiding the points stealth and I are making on you.

What points? Ive answerd literally every post pertaining to me.

[Voss]

Spoiler : cvote :

Mike,blinkskater,Gyrlander,Numbertwo,Distorted,Lig htYagami,DamusGraves,Magoroth,MarshmallowMarshall, Stealthbomber16,Kenny,Voss,