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  1. ISO #1251

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    Did you mess up names there?
    Mike uses emotions, and because of that I lied about Voss and my previous own argument with Voss which wasn't about Mike at all? What?
    Quote Originally Posted by Numbertwo View Post
    i was obviously referring to the role as prosecutor or defendant. i didn't actually know how the defendant mechanics worked, i just thought that someone who had didn't have him on #1 would be selected.

    I think it's suspicious that you know about this mechanic without asking it in the thread. Did you ask it in the scum chat?

    Spoiler : cvote :
    DamusGraves,Stealthbomber16,Voss
    It is literally stated in the setup that this is how it works.
    You also specifically stated that

    Quote Originally Posted by Numbertwo View Post
    i'm here! Didn't realize the setup would be so complicated when i signed up :P

    Will read up on the day
    Which suggested that you reread the setup and gained further understanding of it
    Not sure where the leap of faith is in my logic regarding you?

    also OMGUS

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  3. ISO #1253

  4. ISO #1254

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Is is posable We all town that are active and the scum is letting us fight each other???? and the scum are the inactive? Just an idea. Because everyone is making good points. Basic was easy Chicago was not that hard. but I can not keep any good reads on anyone. Ie why light is top of my list. Please Judge we need your help. well I do. I know this is going to be read as scummy but at this point I dont care Judge I will make my order the order you say even if you want me on top. I dont trust my own judgement at this point.
    Do Not open this spoiler under any condition!!!!!!!
    Spoiler : :
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    YOU HAVE JUST CAUSED THE END OF ALL MANKIND!!!!!!

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  5. ISO #1255

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Lets try something a bit different. I'm satisfied with the pressure from Damus and on Kenny. Lets see if we can get Light to contribute reads on a player that isn't blinkskater.

    Spoiler : cvote :
    LightYagami,DamusGraves,Gyrlander,Numbertwo,Marshm allowMarshall,Kenny,Magoroth,Distorted,Mike,Voss,b linkskater,Stealthbomber16,
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
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    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

  6. ISO #1256

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Your point was
    "A couple of the posts in kennys hand state that Voss is emotionally appealing to the town for doesnt add up. Voss hasnt been emotionally appealing and Kenny straight up misinformed town on a reaction in the above quotes."
    There has only been one post in which I said that however. The other was about Mike and in response to Mag.
    The one post in which I did say that was backed by a quote and Voss did not deny it.

  7. ISO #1257

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    Your point was
    "A couple of the posts in kennys hand state that Voss is emotionally appealing to the town for doesnt add up. Voss hasnt been emotionally appealing and Kenny straight up misinformed town on a reaction in the above quotes."
    There has only been one post in which I said that however. The other was about Mike and in response to Mag.
    The one post in which I did say that was backed by a quote and Voss did not deny it.
    The response to mag. You stated what it appeared Mag was trying to say and claimed he was confusing names.
    The two people listed in your response were Voss and Mike.
    If mag was confusing the two people then it follows that the names should be switched regarding the adjectives used on them.
    If that is the case; then it would follow that you are claiming Voss makes more emotional appeals than Mike (Because Mike making emotional appeals is literally what Mag was saying.)

  8. ISO #1258
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    please read my wallpost. I did not defend you. Distorted and Mag literally made that up.
    You passively defended Mike by attacking voss and discrediting his argument with Mike. Sure, it's not an explicit defense, but it can be seen as one.

  9. ISO #1259

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    The response to mag. You stated what it appeared Mag was trying to say and claimed he was confusing names.
    The two people listed in your response were Voss and Mike.
    If mag was confusing the two people then it follows that the names should be switched regarding the adjectives used on them.
    If that is the case; then it would follow that you are claiming Voss makes more emotional appeals than Mike (Because Mike making emotional appeals is literally what Mag was saying.)
    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    Voss-Mike argument is what I meant.
    that question in the response that I finished with "what?" was not my opinion. I said that because I thought Mag's post made no sense if it would've been about the Voss-me argument. And I was right, he did mean Voss-Mike.

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  11. ISO #1261

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    You passively defended Mike by attacking voss and discrediting his argument with Mike. Sure, it's not an explicit defense, but it can be seen as one.
    K passively whatever. He wasn't voting Mike tho and didn't provide an argument against Mike in my conversation with him. He just said he wanted to push the mayors reads, but is also fine with skipping while Mike is the lynch.

  12. ISO #1262

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    that question in the response that I finished with "what?" was not my opinion. I said that because I thought Mag's post made no sense if it would've been about the Voss-me argument. And I was right, he did mean Voss-Mike.
    Hmm...
    Gotta think on that one.

    What is an opinion and then what follows as just regurgitation of others opinions, does that make ones opinion if so.

  13. ISO #1263

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    K passively whatever. He wasn't voting Mike tho and didn't provide an argument against Mike in my conversation with him. He just said he wanted to push the mayors reads, but is also fine with skipping while Mike is the lynch.
    If I wanted to defend Mike I would've pushed someone who voted him. Like blink for example. But you pulled that defense crap out of thin air and I did not go against blink.

  14. ISO #1264

  15. ISO #1265

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Is is posable We all town that are active and the scum is letting us fight each other???? and the scum are the inactive? Just an idea. Because everyone is making good points. Basic was easy Chicago was not that hard. but I can not keep any good reads on anyone. Ie why light is top of my list. Please Judge we need your help. well I do. I know this is going to be read as scummy but at this point I dont care Judge I will make my order the order you say even if you want me on top. I dont trust my own judgement at this point.
    Yes, it is possible that all activep eople are town, and scum are letting us fight each other.

    Yes, it could be that scum are inactive.

    I'm just calling it like i see it yo.

    Also lol at Kenny's wall post. I'm not reading that. Be more succinct.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
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  16. ISO #1266

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    K passively whatever. He wasn't voting Mike tho and didn't provide an argument against Mike in my conversation with him. He just said he wanted to push the mayors reads, but is also fine with skipping while Mike is the lynch.
    This is objectively true.

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    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  17. ISO #1267
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    It's unlikely. Don't think in those terms, it never gets you anywhere.

  18. ISO #1268

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    It's unlikely. Don't think in those terms, it never gets you anywhere.
    IIII know that. I'm just pointing out that it's fluff.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
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    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  19. ISO #1269

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Yes, it is possible that all activep eople are town, and scum are letting us fight each other.

    Yes, it could be that scum are inactive.

    I'm just calling it like i see it yo.

    Also lol at Kenny's wall post. I'm not reading that. Be more succinct.
    nice. very towny.

  20. ISO #1270

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Okay maybe not fluff. It's a dumb rhetorical question that puts the onus on everyone else to answer. And no one's going to answer it.

    What Mike should do is explicitly call out the lurkers and call them scum. Not play 'what if' questions.

    Note, this isn't an attack on Mike at this point. It's a call for them to do better.

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    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
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  21. ISO #1271

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    nice. very towny.
    Be more succinct. You'll get the less intelligent players of this game (aka me) to read it. Put color and use spoilers. IF you're not going to put the effort to make your posts readable, I won't read them. I'm sure other people will skim them, so that doesn't help anyone.

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  22. ISO #1272

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Amazing. I'll react to it once I've returned from university
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Thank Slaol for giving me an easy pass D1. I think it's a good choice for the future.
    GOD SAVE THE CAT EMPRESS
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  23. ISO #1273

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    Spoiler : Numbertwo :














    Numbertwo has not made any impact on the day at any point in time. Most of the other players havent had him high up on the radar. He has also been given a GIANT amount of time to do ANYTHING.
    No impactful questions, no detailed thoughts. Opting into the sheep meta, and having a few questionable posts when considering word choices.
    For example:
    When he spoke about being a defender or a prosecutor he stated:
    " if i end up being the defender or prosecutor then i will do everything in my power to see my role fulfilled "

    See my ROLE fulfilled. Please note the word role in this sentence, where as the structure of said sentence is meant to convey a potential alignment. This sentence is talking about the trial of a selected player and the implication that Numbertwo is going to be on the bracket for defender/prosecutor. Firstly; why would one make an assumption that they are going to be on the floor during the trial when the trialee is selected. Being a prosecutor i can understand, a prosecutor is randomly selected from people who voted for the target.
    But a DEFENDER is selected from people who didnt vote/abstained. As you can see from the quotes above: numbertwo has included EVERYONE in his votes.
    According to my understanding of the trial mechanics Numbertwo has no possibility to be a defender. Thus he shouldnt be assuming he can be a defender on the trial in the first place. This could very well be a minor scum slip, when paired with the sheep meta and lurking mentality; there is a strong enough case to present Numbertwo as a valid trial target.

    According to his recent list he believes the top scum are
    These are three players who are not even in the top tier discussions for who to FOS, by majority of the players in this game. It is reasonably suspicious of Numbertwo to be voting these select players so highly. thoughts?


    Spoiler : StealthBomber :


















    Stealthbomber is also lacking in impactful posts. Historically the scum players are the one more often likely to post "recaps and a summery of the votes of other players. This tactic was employed to give the illusion of contribution. This illusion allowed scum to "hide in plain sight." Stealthbomber has also had a large amount of time to make impactful posts in the day chat. In addition to the lack of real content a vast majority of Stealthbombers posts are made in agreement of what other players have already stated. An echo of agreement in the majority of posts made by a player is historically a scum tell. There is a passive voice in Stealthbombers posts primarily because he does not follow through with whatever FOS he has made and his own questioning, when actually posted, is flat. His biggest impact in the game was a 10 minute hatefest against blinkskater which offered no concrete FOS from either player. (They ended up accusing the other person of being #1 scum..)
    His statement of
    "Yknow I'd also probably not be a bad trial either following my own logic but I'd prefer not to be if it comes down to it. "

    Is also questionable. Historically speaking scum are more likely to backtrack on themselves with similar statements such as the one above.


    Spoiler : kenny :










    Kenny has impactful posts in the day chat, however there is a hyper focus on Voss and Gyrlander that doesnt make 100% of sense. There is also an inconsistency of his posts that demands an explanation. A couple of the posts in kennys hand state that Voss is emotionally appealing to the town for doesnt add up. Voss hasnt been emotionally appealing and Kenny straight up misinformed town on a reaction in the above quotes. There is no commitment in the above posts to an idea. He argues with Voss and then later agrees with Voss without some kind of resolution to the previous argument. There is a stretch read on Mike and Voss interactions when he states

    "Voss is expecting Mike to flip town if Mike were to get lynched.And here Voss is trying to appeal to emotions. That's a scumtell."





    Spoiler : cvote :
    Numbertwo,Kenny,Stealthbomber16,Distorted,blinkska ter,LightYagami,Gyrlander,Mike,MarshmallowMarshall ,Magoroth,Voss,
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    GOD SAVE THE CAT EMPRESS
    Can i ask for your thoughts on this post?

  24. ISO #1274

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    1 HOUR LEFT! THERE WILL BE A SMALL RECESS BEFOREHAND TO GET THINGS READY, MAKE SURE ALL PLAYERS ARE AWARE OF THEIR ROLES IN THE TRIAL, AND THEN COURT WILL BE IN SESSION!

    Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
    If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.

  25. ISO #1275

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Numbertwo View Post
    anyway, i noticed that one of the mafia got an ability that decides the outcome of the trial.
    Maybe that's a reason to not discuss what we are voting on in the jury chat. To try and make the mafia waste their ability when the outcome would have been the same.
    They can only force a guilty. It breaks the "mislynch streak". I don't think we should be scared of it to the point of not using the special discussion we have, it's more like anti-town.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  26. ISO #1276

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    That is smart That is pro town. But what if for example you lych me IE Green and you lych Blink who I think is nuet or red and he flips green Town loses so We need to be smart not stupid. 2 mislynch we lose remember that also.
    Indeed, but that comes to the reads, and this is what we're all trying to get lol

    well not the scums
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  27. ISO #1277

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Putting some one on trial is just as important also. Because 2 Innos on red scum town loses. dont forget about that.
    No, two innos on the Guilty Defendant we lose, not on any other guys. And we WILL put someone on trial unless we skip vote.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  28. ISO #1278

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    LIER LIER LIER I NEVER DOGED not one you where the one getting upset when I pushed you. all from because I SAID what Blink made sense. that is what started it all. I answered your questions I never dozed a single one Why because I did not have anything to hide so dont LIE and say that. you are the one who went bananas on me ALL FOR ME saying I agree with a post Blink made. and then that is when I became SCUM NUMBER 1. Lets get the facts strait.
    He says Voss tried to dodge your push on him. Not the other way around.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  29. ISO #1279

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    @Voss
    just for you in full color

    Alright I wrote my wallposts on the arguments you made against me.
    First off, this is the initial conversation that started it all.
    Spoiler : :
    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
















    These are all messages Voss left between his last 3 votes.


    He brought up his neutral trap plan first, which is arguably not a towny plan and his been mainly used by scum players in the past. Defended himself there.


    "
    I had something typed up here, but I thought it might be too much of a "future discredit" and town doesn't need that."


    4 oneliners addressed at individual people with no new content whatsoever
    sheeped slaol and updated his votes according to slaol


    a bunch of discrediting, in a rude way


    a dumb question towards the Mayor


    then he changed his list again.


    The biggest change there was that Mike and Gyrlander fell to a much lower spot, and Voss did not explain a single thing about this change.
    As opportunistic as I am, I still scumread Voss and I'd like to see that reasoning for the Mike/Gyrlander change.
    Spoiler : :
    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Glad you pointed it out, I can tell you why I edited my vote the way I did.


    I want(ed) blink and Mike and Gyr gone, and Slaol wants Damus, MM, Stealth, and you gone.


    So i asked which slaol prefers between mike and blink, and made them my second choice. Then went with Damus as Slaols' #2 pick for my #3. Added Number2 because noncontributor, and I think there's a connection between him and Damus. Then went with Stealth over you because I can see you as being more town. Peppered in my second person I want gone (Mike) for #6 slot. Added you because Slaol suspects you. Then because I want Gyr around more than Light, I put light next.


    Also the majority of the posts you commented aren't me discrediting people, go look at context again.
    Spoiler : :
    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    We aren't close to EoD yet. Why are you already adjusting your votes so heavily according to the mayor's opinion?


    I myself would at least only do that when we reach the phase for that, just like how it's usually done in games with regular voting as well. The mayor doesn't have investigative powers and it's in the town's interest to push reads, instead of to sheep one player.
    Spoiler : :
    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Because mayor doesn't get a vote and someone has to represent their interests.


    If you don't like who's on top, push other people. Try to get people to listen to you on me. However, My town reads are safe, and I don't really feel a need to push anyone right now. I want the trial to begin.
    Spoiler : :
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    This post is why Voss is town.
    Spoiler : :
    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    please keep in mind that mike is at the top of the current consensus and not a scumread of Slaol.


    MM and Mag both were reading that argument and at least Mag said it was towny with one post. Distorted reacted like this:
    Spoiler : :
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    wow is this a random defense of mike? lol @Kenny why about mike being at the top do you not like? other than "mayor isnt voting him" ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    how did that make kenny move to town for you? he is trying to get votes off someone, which in itself isnt scummy, but using the mayors list for reasoning rather than his own. How often do u see that on the mod? "FOLLOW MAYOR" as town starts voting the obvious mafia, but the mayor doesnt?
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    @Mike can you give me a list of your scumreads ect and why? other than me and blink for voting u? honestly im starting to think u are town. im not seeing any defense of you other than kenny, and i would rather kenny on trial than u at this point because kenny has contributed at all. Stelath or Gyrlander would be my top picks. stelath is a much better player than what he is offering us this game. he even siad he was "busy" but when he came back it was even shallower posts than before.


    He took my posts completely out of context and scumpainted me together with Mike there.


    MM a bit later posted this in a conversation with sb16. Before I came online again:
    Spoiler : :
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Hmm.... Objection retained.


    Magoroth's behavior change was First posts of the game ===> until now. I didn't like his entrance but then he made himself the most towny player in this game, along with Distorted. Why: he is scum hunting, he is carefree, he's not trying to fuck us over with shitty strategy or purposely shitty reads, he's fitting his town meta a lot, and he's not fitting his scum meta at all.


    Kenny did post a bit btw, saying he was tired as fuck because it was 2 AM for me at the time so it was probably 3-4 AM lol.


    And yes, I think I did change my behavior quite drastically when Slaol appeared and just claimed I was scum lol.
    Spoiler : cvote :
    DamusGraves,Kenny,Gyrlander,Numbertwo,Mike,Voss,Li ghtYagami,blinkskater,Stealthbomber16,Distorted,Ma goroth,MarshmallowMarshall,



    The bottom four are my town core, with Stealth being at its margin. Aka town core but not lock town. Disto and Mag are lock towns. And at worst they're neutrals playing exactly as they would as town.


    "Kenny did post a bit btw, saying he was tired as fuck because it was 2 AM for me at the time so it was probably 3-4 AM lol." then he put me as 2nd place in his list. I'm guessing it's to impose to Distorted as it clearly can't have been his own read.

    Then I posted this:
    Spoiler : :
    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    Spoiler : cvote :
    Voss, Distorted, Gyrlander

    That was terribly obvious scumpainting from Distorted, saying I defended Mike "softly" with a quote that was taken completely out of context. Voss just silently went along and I guess MM and stealth just didn't read my conversation with Voss or what?


    I added Gyrlander to my vote because Voss' explanation on him doesn't add up. He first said Gyr was a scumread of his, then said he adjusted his votes because of Slaol, now he apparently wants to put effort into defending Gyrlander. Who was his scumread until the mayor gave a list without him.


    "Gyr was a scumread of his"
    Voss has said "I want(ed) blink and Mike and Gyr gone, and Slaol wants Damus, MM, Stealth, and you gone." in an earlier post I also quoted.
    If I replace the word scumread in my sentence I get this:
    I added Gyrlander to my vote because Voss' explanation on him doesn't add up. He first said he wanted him gone, then said he adjusted his votes because of Slaol, now he apparently wants to put effort into defending Gyrlander. Who he wanted gone until the mayor gave a list without him.


    Here's the post that made me believe Voss is willing to defend Gyrlander:
    Spoiler : :
    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    I'm good with Mike and Blink at the top of town's consideration for being voted out. Gyr maybe not, but MM comes next which is someone Slaol wants out. My votes are more aligned with what Slaol want, and what I want. I'll probably pick up my activity if Gyr gets pushed to #2, but I'm not going to defend Mike or Blink.


    Also call me a lurker again and I'll ignore you and keep you as my #1 vote for the rest of the game. Do it. I dare you.


    Magoroth replied with this to me saying whether Voss scumreads Gyr or only wants him gone doesn't matter in this context:
    Spoiler : :
    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    I disagree, it means the world. It means that if Gyrlander changes their behaviour, they won't want them gone. It's a policy Lynch.
    Gyrlander did not change his behaviour. The point I was making was that Voss did not have a reason to put Gyrlander lower in his list, if he were town.


    Then Mag said this:
    Spoiler : :
    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I am really the scummiest here? Wow I am gone for church And I am scum read. PL Fine just remember Blink and Distorted have me as there number 1 scum. Damus has me as his number 2 scum. SO when I flip Green remember this post please town REMEMBER THIS POST.
    @Kenny this is literally an appeal to emotion. Why did you lie? You only lie as scum.


    He quoted Mike and called me a liar for a quote I didn't address before. I never said Mike didn't act scummy there. I'm not voting Mike because he's been acting exactly like this in previous games as well, with a town-mindset.


    Spoiler : :
    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    I can perfectly understand why one would have Mike so high in their Lynch list, he's highly defensive and OMGUSy.


    If anything, Mike makes more appeals to emotion than anyone else has this entire game. @Kenny you're misrepresenting the Voss-Kenny argument completely.
    First off, he meant the Voss-Mike argument. Regardless I didn't address Mike's side of the argument at all. Magoroth lied there.


    Spoiler : :
    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    Misrepresentation of an argument is a literal scum tell


    Later MM quoted that some post Voss complained about before and replied with this:
    Spoiler : :
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    That's straight up a lie... My list hasn't changed but I'm restating it.
    Spoiler : cvote :
    DamusGraves,Kenny,Gyrlander,Numbertwo,Mike,Voss,Li ghtYagami,blinkskater,Stealthbomber16,Distorted,Ma goroth,MarshmallowMarshall,


    here I wanna remind you that MM posted this not long before that:
    Spoiler : :
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Hmm.... Objection retained.


    Magoroth's behavior change was First posts of the game ===> until now. I didn't like his entrance but then he made himself the most towny player in this game, along with Distorted. Why: he is scum hunting, he is carefree, he's not trying to fuck us over with shitty strategy or purposely shitty reads, he's fitting his town meta a lot, and he's not fitting his scum meta at all.


    Kenny did post a bit btw, saying he was tired as fuck because it was 2 AM for me at the time so it was probably 3-4 AM lol.


    And yes, I think I did change my behavior quite drastically when Slaol appeared and just claimed I was scum lol.
    Spoiler : cvote :
    DamusGraves,Kenny,Gyrlander,Numbertwo,Mike,Voss,Li ghtYagami,blinkskater,Stealthbomber16,Distorted,Ma goroth,MarshmallowMarshall,



    The bottom four are my town core, with Stealth being at its margin. Aka town core but not lock town. Disto and Mag are lock towns. And at worst they're neutrals playing exactly as they would as town.
    Which leads me to the conclusion that MM is purely sheeping here. He just repeated what Voss said.


    Spoiler : :
    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    Spoiler : Numbertwo :



























    Numbertwo has not made any impact on the day at any point in time. Most of the other players havent had him high up on the radar. He has also been given a GIANT amount of time to do ANYTHING.
    No impactful questions, no detailed thoughts. Opting into the sheep meta, and having a few questionable posts when considering word choices.
    For example:
    When he spoke about being a defender or a prosecutor he stated:
    " if i end up being the defender or prosecutor then i will do everything in my power to see my role fulfilled "


    See my ROLE fulfilled. Please note the word role in this sentence, where as the structure of said sentence is meant to convey a potential alignment. This sentence is talking about the trial of a selected player and the implication that Numbertwo is going to be on the bracket for defender/prosecutor. Firstly; why would one make an assumption that they are going to be on the floor during the trial when the trialee is selected. Being a prosecutor i can understand, a prosecutor is randomly selected from people who voted for the target.
    But a DEFENDER is selected from people who didnt vote/abstained. As you can see from the quotes above: numbertwo has included EVERYONE in his votes.
    According to my understanding of the trial mechanics Numbertwo has no possibility to be a defender. Thus he shouldnt be assuming he can be a defender on the trial in the first place. This could very well be a minor scum slip, when paired with the sheep meta and lurking mentality; there is a strong enough case to present Numbertwo as a valid trial target.


    According to his recent list he believes the top scum are
    These are three players who are not even in the top tier discussions for who to FOS, by majority of the players in this game. It is reasonably suspicious of Numbertwo to be voting these select players so highly. thoughts?



    Spoiler : StealthBomber :



































    Stealthbomber is also lacking in impactful posts. Historically the scum players are the one more often likely to post "recaps and a summery of the votes of other players. This tactic was employed to give the illusion of contribution. This illusion allowed scum to "hide in plain sight." Stealthbomber has also had a large amount of time to make impactful posts in the day chat. In addition to the lack of real content a vast majority of Stealthbombers posts are made in agreement of what other players have already stated. An echo of agreement in the majority of posts made by a player is historically a scum tell. There is a passive voice in Stealthbombers posts primarily because he does not follow through with whatever FOS he has made and his own questioning, when actually posted, is flat. His biggest impact in the game was a 10 minute hatefest against blinkskater which offered no concrete FOS from either player. (They ended up accusing the other person of being #1 scum..)
    His statement of
    "Yknow I'd also probably not be a bad trial either following my own logic but I'd prefer not to be if it comes down to it. "


    Is also questionable. Historically speaking scum are more likely to backtrack on themselves with similar statements such as the one above.



    Spoiler : kenny :



















    Kenny has impactful posts in the day chat, however there is a hyper focus on Voss and Gyrlander that doesnt make 100% of sense. There is also an inconsistency of his posts that demands an explanation. A couple of the posts in kennys hand state that Voss is emotionally appealing to the town for doesnt add up. Voss hasnt been emotionally appealing and Kenny straight up misinformed town on a reaction in the above quotes. There is no commitment in the above posts to an idea. He argues with Voss and then later agrees with Voss without some kind of resolution to the previous argument. There is a stretch read on Mike and Voss interactions when he states


    "Voss is expecting Mike to flip town if Mike were to get lynched.And here Voss is trying to appeal to emotions. That's a scumtell."









    Spoiler : cvote :
    Numbertwo,Kenny,Stealthbomber16,Distorted,blinkska ter,LightYagami,Gyrlander,Mike,MarshmallowMarshall ,Magoroth,Voss,


    Damus here cherrypicked posts from no2, stealth and me specifically. That by itself is ok, I guess. I want to address what he said about me however.


    however there is a hyper focus on Voss and Gyrlander that doesnt make 100% of sense
    I admit it might look like I'm tunneled on Voss. hyperfocus on Gyrlander is straight bullshit however. I literally only voted him because Voss' story doesn't add up, I explained this and I did not put more focus into it.


    A couple of the posts in kennys hand state that Voss is emotionally appealing to the town for doesnt add up. Voss hasnt been emotionally appealing and Kenny straight up misinformed town on a reaction in the above quotes.
    It was exactly one post in which I said Voss has been emotionally appealing and Voss himself hasn't even denied that he did that. Damus lied there.


    He argues with Voss and then later agrees with Voss without some kind of resolution to the previous argument.
    I did not agree with Voss. He is literally my top scumread.


    Spoiler : :
    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    But yeah, definitely not opposed to lynching him over, say, Distorted.


    As for the others:


    Kenny strikes me as particularly scummy. He's been discrediting Voss and lying about people's statements, and defending Mike from a Lynch, something I find unacceptable. I'd sooner Lynch Mike than Voss, and that's solely based on the fact that Voss is easier to read and a better ally to keep in the game. And, as he said, he does pro-town things even as scum ^^ so yeah, I believe Kenny is quite scummy.


    SB16... I'm not sure. I find him quite aggressive, and somewhat useless thus far, I don't really recall him doing anything noteworthy or bringing anything new to the table. Not opposed to his Lynch either.


    I did not discredit, I did not lie and I did not defend Mike from a lynch. Mag is making shit up there.


    Spoiler : :
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Thanks Mag on the vote Mike over Voss. anyways I do have to agree about the Kenny. he is rather Red or Nuet. so he is the safety vote. I have also noticed Light is the only one who has not voted Kenny. Yes My vote may change depending on what Judge says. I think we need to all consider what judge as to say also.


    Spoiler : cvote :
    Kenny,LightYagami,DamusGraves,Stealthbomber16,blin kskater,Gyrlander,Numbertwo,Voss,MarshmallowMarsha ll,Magoroth,Distorted,Mike,
    "so he is the safety vote" This is coming from Mike's perspective. It's a vote that prevents Mike from getting lynched, so he just sheeped to save his own ass.
    I still don't scumread Mike for that, but this is poor play and I can imagine this coming from a neutral.


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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    My question is what is your hard-on for me? You been targteing me hard core. WHY?????? Are you Red scum trying to lych me ( dont make sense Red would not want me lyched the know Everyone suspect me dont add up ) so no i dont think you are Red. EXE maybe I dont know. But my question is why do you keep over and over trying to get people to put my on the top??? Are you the Bomber and want the chance to blow me up??? I dont know so @Voss why are you none stop targeting me are you trying to Keep town distracted. I can assure you I am green as can be. I am to the point I say screw It everyone put me as Number one and Lych me so you can finally see me flip green because the talk all about me is making more harm for town than any good. Then you all can finally find the true RED
    . .. . .What? Was Mike actually targeted hardcore and I missed it or something?
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    I agree with this assessment. No2 has a very laid-back attitude in general however, and I'm not sure if that's something you can conclusively read him for. In fact, I don't believe I've seen him post more than, maybe, 20 times a game. I think he actually posts more as scum.
    Spirits. He didn't post shit and was the Alpha Wolf. I am definetly in for a lynch on him if it happens, althrough I'd prefer Damus for more information. All what #2 has done is lurk and propose anti-town stuff (such as sacrificing our jury chat...) I think he has good odds of flipping red. But again, his lynch doesn't give much info because of the lack of interactions and spotlight on him.

    Spoiler : cvote :
    DamusGraves,Numbertwo,Kenny,Gyrlander,Mike,Voss,Li ghtYagami,blinkskater,Stealthbomber16,Distorted,Ma goroth,MarshmallowMarshall,
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    IIII know that. I'm just pointing out that it's fluff.
    why is everything I say flufff and everything else i say scum Lych me then get it over with. I am trying to help any way I can and no it was not fluff. Yes this is my 3rd fm game i have played. Voss are you trying to see if you can get under my skin because it is working.
    Do Not open this spoiler under any condition!!!!!!!
    Spoiler : :
    WHY CANT YOU FOLLOW SIMPLE DIRECTIONS?
    YOU HAVE JUST CAUSED THE END OF ALL MANKIND!!!!!!

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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Okay maybe not fluff. It's a dumb rhetorical question that puts the onus on everyone else to answer. And no one's going to answer it.

    What Mike should do is explicitly call out the lurkers and call them scum. Not play 'what if' questions.

    Note, this isn't an attack on Mike at this point. It's a call for them to do better.
    ok forget my last post and ty for the advice.
    Do Not open this spoiler under any condition!!!!!!!
    Spoiler : :
    WHY CANT YOU FOLLOW SIMPLE DIRECTIONS?
    YOU HAVE JUST CAUSED THE END OF ALL MANKIND!!!!!!

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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Numbertwo View Post
    i was obviously referring to the role as prosecutor or defendant. i didn't actually know how the defendant mechanics worked, i just thought that someone who had didn't have him on #1 would be selected.

    I think it's suspicious that you know about this mechanic without asking it in the thread. Did you ask it in the scum chat?

    Spoiler : cvote :
    DamusGraves,Stealthbomber16,Voss
    Omg lol HE READ THE SETUP

    But here #2 votes Damus. This post could be bussing, but I'm not getting hard bussing vibes from it.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    MM and Mag both were reading that argument and at least Mag said it was towny with one post. Distorted reacted like this:







    He took my posts completely out of context and scumpainted me together with Mike there.


    MM a bit later posted this in a conversation with sb16. Before I came online again:



    "Kenny did post a bit btw, saying he was tired as fuck because it was 2 AM for me at the time so it was probably 3-4 AM lol." then he put me as 2nd place in his list. I'm guessing it's to impose to Distorted as it clearly can't have been his own read.
    Look at what my post was quoting... Was more like "you did nothing towny but some things scummy", and agreeing with Stealth here. Your link with Distorted is far-fetched.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    Also Id like ta point out that my role was never confirmed by the host thanks 2 all who care ppl that are focusing on that and started that rumor are ur scum thanks..
    Allelujah! No angleshooting, and normal typing! You deserve a cookie. Or a dog treat? :P
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    It is literally stated in the setup that this is how it works.
    You also specifically stated that



    Which suggested that you reread the setup and gained further understanding of it
    Not sure where the leap of faith is in my logic regarding you?

    also OMGUS
    I agree with this post... it's basically what I said but in more developed.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Numbertwo View Post
    Unlikely. I have played with damus many times befeore and im surprised that he knew about this specific mechanic.
    Are u saying he doesn't read setups? lol
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Is is posable We all town that are active and the scum is letting us fight each other???? and the scum are the inactive? Just an idea. Because everyone is making good points. Basic was easy Chicago was not that hard. but I can not keep any good reads on anyone. Ie why light is top of my list. Please Judge we need your help. well I do. I know this is going to be read as scummy but at this point I dont care Judge I will make my order the order you say even if you want me on top. I dont trust my own judgement at this point.
    Numbertwo - Damus_Graves is TvS. There's something here. And hell, Numbertwo is highly scummier than Damus at this point in this argument. He's saying a super experienced guy doesn't read the setup... and scumpaints him for knowing something that's in the setup. Actually... Did #2 do anything pro-town this game? I'm going to swap Damus and #2.

    Spoiler : cvote :
    Numbertwo,DamusGraves,Kenny,Gyrlander,Mike,Voss,Li ghtYagami,blinkskater,Stealthbomber16,Distorted,Ma goroth,MarshmallowMarshall,
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

 

 

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