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  1. ISO #1301

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    You passively defended Mike by attacking voss and discrediting his argument with Mike. Sure, it's not an explicit defense, but it can be seen as one.
    THIS is the point. And passive defense is much scummier than active defense. You didn't white knight Mike; you attacked his attacker without talking about Mike directly.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  2. ISO #1302

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    Hmm...
    Gotta think on that one.

    What is an opinion and then what follows as just regurgitation of others opinions, does that make ones opinion if so.
    Yes it does, a weaker and scummier version of this opinion usually.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  3. ISO #1303

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Yes it does, a weaker and scummier version of this opinion usually.
    Thats literally what I am concluding as well.
    I was circling around to see if there is a possibility that just rewording what others say is opinion or not but I always came back to yes.

  4. ISO #1304

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    THIS is the point. And passive defense is much scummier than active defense. You didn't white knight Mike; you attacked his attacker without talking about Mike directly.
    I attacked Voss and Voss was not Mike's attacker. That's just not true. He was in an argument with him, but other people were voting and pushing Mike.

  5. ISO #1305

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Okay maybe not fluff. It's a dumb rhetorical question that puts the onus on everyone else to answer. And no one's going to answer it.

    What Mike should do is explicitly call out the lurkers and call them scum. Not play 'what if' questions.

    Note, this isn't an attack on Mike at this point. It's a call for them to do better.
    Yes. I had already put this theory foward like 5 pages ago btw... which is why my top of list was with Gyrlander, #2 and Kenny. But if noone noticed it, why wasn't I asked about it xD
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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  7. ISO #1307

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    Thats literally what I am concluding as well.
    I was circling around to see if there is a possibility that just rewording what others say is opinion or not but I always came back to yes.
    Yea it's someone else's opinion used as yours, and that makes shitty stuff, both in mafia and irl. For example, THAT ZOMBIES EXIST FOR REAL lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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  13. ISO #1313

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    ONE MINUTE WARNING!

    Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
    If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.

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  15. ISO #1315

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    INVESTIGATION PHASE IS COMPLETE! NO MORE POSTING!

    The trial is quickly looming over us, all that is needed is who will be going to trial and who will represent both sides. This court will convene when this is decided Until then we are in recess until everything is decided.
    Stay tuned Attorneys! = )



    FINAL CONSENSUS:
    1. DamusGraves
    2. Numbertwo
    3. Stealthbomber16
    4. Kenny
    5. Mike
    6. LightYagami
    7. Gyrlander
    8. Voss
    9. blinkskater
    9. MarshmallowMarshall
    11. Distorted
    12. Magoroth

    Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
    If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.

  16. ISO #1316

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    [
    (31%) Kenny > Magoroth,
    (31%) DamusGraves > MarshmallowMarshall,
    (31%) LightYagami > Magoroth,
    (25%) Mike > Voss,
    (25%) Stealthbomber16 > Magoroth,
    (25%) Kenny > Voss,
    (25%) DamusGraves > Distorted,
    (25%) DamusGraves > blinkskater,
    (25%) DamusGraves > Magoroth,
    (25%) Numbertwo > Magoroth,
    (25%) Numbertwo > Voss,
    (22%) Numbertwo > Mike,
    (22%) Stealthbomber16 > LightYagami,
    (22%) Kenny > Distorted,
    (22%) Kenny > blinkskater,
    (22%) Distorted > Magoroth,
    (22%) Numbertwo > MarshmallowMarshall,
    (22%) Gyrlander > MarshmallowMarshall,
    (22%) Gyrlander > Magoroth,
    (22%) MarshmallowMarshall > Magoroth,
    (19%) Stealthbomber16 > MarshmallowMarshall,
    (19%) LightYagami > blinkskater,
    (16%) DamusGraves > Mike,
    (16%) Numbertwo > Distorted,
    (16%) Voss > Magoroth,
    (16%) Stealthbomber16 > Distorted,
    (16%) Stealthbomber16 > Gyrlander,
    (16%) Stealthbomber16 > Voss,
    (16%) DamusGraves > Gyrlander,
    (13%) Kenny > Mike,
    (13%) Mike > Magoroth,
    (13%) DamusGraves > Stealthbomber16,
    (13%) Stealthbomber16 > blinkskater,
    (13%) Kenny > Gyrlander,
    (13%) LightYagami > Distorted,
    (13%) Gyrlander > Distorted,
    (13%) Numbertwo > blinkskater,
    (13%) LightYagami > Gyrlander,
    (13%) blinkskater > Magoroth,
    (9%) Mike > LightYagami,
    (9%) Mike > MarshmallowMarshall,
    (9%) Mike > blinkskater,
    (9%) Kenny > MarshmallowMarshall,
    (9%) LightYagami > MarshmallowMarshall,
    (8%) DamusGraves > Numbertwo,
    (8%) DamusGraves > LightYagami,
    (8%) DamusGraves > Voss,
    (8%) LightYagami > Voss,
    (8%) Gyrlander > Voss,
    (8%) Numbertwo > Kenny,
    (8%) Voss > Distorted,
    (8%) Voss > MarshmallowMarshall,
    (8%) Voss > blinkskater,
    (4%) Stealthbomber16 > Mike,
    (4%) Distorted > Mike,
    (4%) Gyrlander > Mike,
    (4%) Numbertwo > Stealthbomber16,
    (4%) MarshmallowMarshall > Distorted,
    (4%) blinkskater > Distorted,
    (4%) Stealthbomber16 > Kenny,
    (4%) Kenny > DamusGraves,
    (4%) Kenny > LightYagami,
    (4%) Numbertwo > LightYagami,
    (4%) Gyrlander > blinkskater,
    (0%) Gyrlander > Numbertwo,
    (0%) blinkskater > MarshmallowMarshall]

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  17. ISO #1317

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    The trial will commence in 3-4 hours from now. I have work things to finish and other stuff to do. I will start then!
    =)

    Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
    If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.

  18. ISO #1318

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    TRIAL PHASE HAS BEGUN!!


    This court is NOW In session for the trial of @Damus_Graves .

    All Rise for the Honorable Judge Dredd! @Slaol



    The prosecutor, Mr. Miles Meowsworth @Gyrlander



    And The Defense Attorney, Mr. Squirrel Wright @blinkskater



    You stand, ready, in this trial with your own roles, and your own virtues. Make your arguments, make your

    stance count. Sway the Jury’s opinion of your views so that this trial can be done swiftly and fairly.

    The charge is MURDER. The sentence would be DEATH. Is this Defendant truly innocent? Or is there an

    ulterior motive in the making?

    That is up to you to decide, Jury! I can only hope you make the right decision.

    This person’s life is in your hands now.




    The Trial ends in (subject to change depending)
    TRIAL IS DELAYED
    Last edited by AIVION; November 20th, 2018 at 07:42 AM.

    Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
    If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.

  19. ISO #1319

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    ONLY THE PLAYERS ON TRIAL MAY POST AT THIS POINT! EVERYONE ELSE TALKS IN JURY CHAT! THANK YOU AND GOOD LUCK EVERYONE! =)

    Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
    If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.

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  21. ISO #1321

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    I see, so the worst person that could have been chosen as prosecutor.... :_(

    I'll see what I can do. I don't think this is very relevant anyway, as we were basically moved by Judge's decisions so... I'll try to see waht he said about Damus.
    Okay if you were a decent prosecutor you would already know that our judge has a certain biast against my client. Our honorable Judge wanted this man to sit before you all today. I even did too at first. But you have to read between the lines for this one.

  22. ISO #1322

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    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    Okay if you were a decent prosecutor you would already know that our judge has a certain biast against my client. Our honorable Judge wanted this man to sit before you all today. I even did too at first. But you have to read between the lines for this one.
    There's no "Read between the lines" in a court. You better be straightforward.


    Thank you Anonymous Donor

  23. ISO #1323

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    My client Damus_Graves stands before you all accused of murder. I ask you all to take into consideration that only our honorable Judge, Voss, and Sb16 know anything about my client. Although I do value meta, I don't trust Voss or SB16. So any meta read on this slot I will not take into consideration neither will our lousy prosecutor. Only are honorable Judge can offer any positive meta Insight towards my client.

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    He started off as a strong scum read for me. It wasn't until he started questioning me that I town read him. I understand I was easy to push and easy to call scummy. That's just my day one town meta to a Tee. My client does not know this. Because we have no game experience together. I ask town to look at what he has done. Although his posts are highly intelligent. They do seem to be rather tough to decipher to the unintelligent eye. He's pressured PPL he's questioned people and he's not afraid to tell you who he thinks it's coming and why and I think he does this very well.

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  27. ISO #1327

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    Also there is no evidence that my client has committed murder none whatsoever. Through all of his testimony all he has done is try to help us. He's called people out he's been on the Forefront of our battle to find the scum. Although he may be tough to understand I sense his intentions to be pure. I also have a bit of key evidence as to why my client is just a normal member of this town.

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  29. ISO #1329

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Posts 572-625. I ask you all to reread my client, and myself interactions between these posts this is where I got a strong Town read from Mr. Damus. The questions he asked me I actually had to think about because it made me want to give good answers because I feared if I answered them half-assed or incorrectly it would blatantly show that I was scum. I actually was kind of nervous under the pressure that Damus put on me. I know I'm town I knew that he was asking me the right questions to answer and prove that I was town. He knows how to find scum he knew what to ask me. I don't feel I would have answered the questions as good if I were actually scum. Nor would he have been satisfied with my answers if I were scum.

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    I was already in the hot seat and Red as scum by many players and felt he really applied the pressure to me. He wanted to know my alignment that's why he did this. I didn't want to let town down. I didn't want to let myself down, because I wasn't easy Miss Lynch at that point so the pressure that he put on me lit a fire in me. I know I approved through meta that I was town. But I still had a lot of Skeptics, mr. Graves inspired me to get in touch with my town self and show everybody else that I was town, there's no reason for us to come to do this because after my little talk with him, I went from being like the number one scum red person to one of the top town red people. No reason for a scum to do that.

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  34. ISO #1334

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    When blink is referring to himself blink is fairly neutral.
    Claiming neutral, speaking in the scum POV, claiming confirmed town.

    I have a few questions blink so we can clear this up.

    What was your reasoning in claiming a neutral role? Why didnt you claim a role with it if you were serious?
    If you were not serious, what was your expected result from the alignment claim?

    Can you clarify why you consistently bring up out of game interactions with you and the other players? What are you thoughts on Mike and his interaction with MM?



    I need you to explain this post in detail please.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Hm, I believe we can start talking about the supposed "bias" the judge has towards the defendant. The judge is confirmed Good so I feel like you are just trying to discredit him. You shouldn't be doing that.
    Ask yourself what benefit would I seek to gain from "discrediting" a confirmed Town member. Without reason from him it's just as good as saying the winds blowing West therefore that warrants a scum read for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    Ask yourself what benefit would I seek to gain from "discrediting" a confirmed Town member. Without reason from him it's just as good as saying the winds blowing West therefore that warrants a scum read for him.
    Ah, and nice quote. It's quite easy to make a lot of questions you know.


    Thank you Anonymous Donor

  39. ISO #1339

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    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    Okay if you were a decent prosecutor you would already know that our judge has a certain biast against my client. Our honorable Judge wanted this man to sit before you all today. I even did too at first. But you have to read between the lines for this one.
    I will be unbiased in asking both sides to better their argument. Everyone can be wrong and my opinion during the day brought us here. It should have less weight than a good argument, and i will treat it as such.

    I know a lot about Damus Graves and can answer specific questions too

  40. ISO #1340

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    I will be unbiased in asking both sides to better their argument. Everyone can be wrong and my opinion during the day brought us here. It should have less weight than a good argument, and i will treat it as such.

    I know a lot about Damus Graves and can answer specific questions too
    I'm afraid you are the one with the main desire to get Damus lynched, so I'm not sure what questions I'm supposed to make you... besides the obvious WHY IS DAMUS SCUMMY?


    Thank you Anonymous Donor

  41. ISO #1341

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    I wont be making your case for you. It isnt my job here, but the main basis for the scum Damus Graves is that he is a gifted player, but he likes to have fun. He runs on gimmicks and jokes and often shows his hand early for the purposes of playing out of it. I found MM scummy and Damus' first post is directly at MM before MM had posted.

    Damus then asks Gyrlander a similar question but waits for his post before doing so. He gets a similar response but offers a different reaction to that response. This is an early scum buddying paired with a town buddying to offer friction.

    Following that he is a very active player and his ability to lead a town conversation is not relevant to his alignment- seek his partnerships and results of his actions

  42. ISO #1342

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    An argument for the Town Damus Graves will hinge on a response from the defense- how valuable was the buddying, what results came out of his questioning, did he blindly attach to other players. These are the questions we should see debated.

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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Damus Graves is unlikely to show from an Iso as much as trends with other players. He will also often accuse a scum buddy, often a weaker player, with easy questions to build town rep when they look good.

    Check for this among consensus scum

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  46. ISO #1346

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    I wont be making your case for you. It isnt my job here, but the main basis for the scum Damus Graves is that he is a gifted player, but he likes to have fun. He runs on gimmicks and jokes and often shows his hand early for the purposes of playing out of it. I found MM scummy and Damus' first post is directly at MM before MM had posted.

    Damus then asks Gyrlander a similar question but waits for his post before doing so. He gets a similar response but offers a different reaction to that response. This is an early scum buddying paired with a town buddying to offer friction.

    Following that he is a very active player and his ability to lead a town conversation is not relevant to his alignment- seek his partnerships and results of his actions
    Aivion told me I was allowed to post as well, so im going to.

    I started out the game with a direct call out to MM because of his name being purple. His name being purple had already struck me as significant. I then asked Gyrlander that similar question because I dont know that person and was gauging how willing they were to answering a question (even a silly one). I actually dont think i responded to Gyrlanders original answer.

    The other players had already posted and for those that did not post yet, StealthBomber-Numbertwo-Distorted-Kenny,etc.
    I already had an interesting discussion to focus on considering Mikes very weak early game posts, which I used to get reactions and insight from other players.

  47. ISO #1347

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    I wont be making your case for you. It isnt my job here, but the main basis for the scum Damus Graves is that he is a gifted player, but he likes to have fun. He runs on gimmicks and jokes and often shows his hand early for the purposes of playing out of it. I found MM scummy and Damus' first post is directly at MM before MM had posted.

    Damus then asks Gyrlander a similar question but waits for his post before doing so. He gets a similar response but offers a different reaction to that response. This is an early scum buddying paired with a town buddying to offer friction.

    Following that he is a very active player and his ability to lead a town conversation is not relevant to his alignment- seek his partnerships and results of his actions
    I will be saying that a player can evolve; especially after near 4 years of inactivity. But you arent wrong; Aivion and i have been DMing back and forth and I have been going through a flashback of our games and you right fam.

  48. ISO #1348

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    Damus Graves is unlikely to show from an Iso as much as trends with other players. He will also often accuse a scum buddy, often a weaker player, with easy questions to build town rep when they look good.

    Check for this among consensus scum
    Are you saying town rep is built or myself; or for the player I am questioning in this hypothetical situation?

  49. ISO #1349

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    I'll have to ISO Damus and decide if he gives me town vibes. I believe I'm far better detecting Town than Scum. However, that post blink quoted which is a gigantic wall of questions seems rather suspicious to me.
    Thats acceptable. But the intention behind all those specific questions:

    Getting to know blinkskater within the boundaries of the game. This was a player who, to my limited experience and knowledge, was at a breaking point of demanding to be replaced this game.
    I have gathered that blinkskater has gotten a lot of hate for his actions/gameplays and I wanted to know, not only why this happens, but what his responses to those would be.
    I concluded that blinkskater has a good deal of potential in FM games and that the typical harsh nature of his fellow players was a discouraging experience and robbed him of a chance to experiment in games and find the niche that works for him, and shine as a result.

    tl;dr where blinkskater is concerned?

    Yall need to back off the man and let the dude play.

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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    Are you saying town rep is built or myself; or for the player I am questioning in this hypothetical situation?
    For the other, often weaker, player primarily. Though it often looks good for you no matter what they flip.

 

 

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