S-FM the secret society

[blinkskater]

He could also be trying to avoid the shot by accepting it. If he thinks he wouldnt be shot

And youre right, the number of TPR doesnt really make sense. However we do have a gimped mayor. And MM is Paranoid, maybe hes just a glorified Citizen.
Or maybe game just isnt balanced perfectly.

In my experience SB16 balences games very well i've stated my case against naz and MM im asking you to not just blindly listen to them and take their word for things ya know?

[blinkskater]

Kenny cant even use his ability until SS is dead so he isn't even a real TPR

He is still considered a TPR your reasoning there is illogical lol

[blinkskater]

He literally did the exact same thing as the game where I hosted him and he was scum so I'm not convinced he is town

Thats fine but you can't tunnel on that ya know as a town you need to be open minded and look at both sides of the spectrum

[Marshmallow Marshall]

@Cryptonic , you already mentioned this once. From a towns point of view in a small save like this you and mm literally claimed the exact same roles. He didn't even bat an eye and just sort of accepted it. Please explain to me how from a town point of view that makes any sense whatsoever?

Did you read when I said that I was waiting for him to out himself? I suspected him from the start of D2, and on D1 I was unsure.

[naz]

He is still considered a TPR your reasoning there is illogical lol

It's not a power role unless you can use it; by the time he can use it, several players would be dead already if he even makes it that far, it's not very useful. Its logical, you just refuse to think any other way, now I understand why distorted was so frustrated w you. I think the game is likely balanced.
If I was SS why would I out Crypt? Why wouldn't I mislynch MM? If you really think me AND mm claims are fake then there are only 2tpr, a dead doc and a mayor, so sb16 gave town ZERO invest roles in a game with minimum 3 factions??? YOUR argument makes no sense

[naz]

Thats fine but you can't tunnel on that ya know as a town you need to be open minded and look at both sides of the spectrum

That's why I'm pushing for a Gyrlander lynch, pendejo

[blinkskater]

You do realize that you're making assumptions about me? You don't even have the slightest idea but I'm going to let you keep running your mouth because maybe if you scum paint me enough I won't die tonight lol. Please elaborate on my supposed agenda with MM when I haven't even agreed to anything besides lynching gyrlander.
Also I do believe 4 TPRs makes the game balanced when you have no fucking clue about the setup.

Your intetactions seem WvW to me, im entitled to an opinion am i not? You have barely had any logical discussion with each other you just accept each other as town in a blind way. You two are dictating the game due to your supposed "town tpr staus quo." You also ignore my points on MM's scummy ways. So untill you start looking at the game from the perspective of a town player... How do you expect me to townread you?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Also I want you guys to be aware of how Naz and MM appear to be blindly just trusting each other. MM also town read me even after my Gambit on day one. Now just because I called him out for being scum and telling him his idea sucks he decides to scum read me for it?

Yes, exactly, because you're throwing a plan that solves the game in the garbage pin and look like you fear the investigation. I'm not saying you're scum, I'm not saying you're town either now. I trust naz because she's confirmed by Cryptonic. Naz trusts me because she's not dumb :P

[naz]

If we lynch Gyr, crypt could shoot blink, aivion, or MM tonight for all i care

[blinkskater]

That's why I'm pushing for a Gyrlander lynch, pendejo

Yes but your asking for aivion to be shot... Shot and lynch both = death...

[Cryptonic]

naz is town, MM could be scum but still leaning town.
Scum probably hiding in citizen claims, they always do

[blinkskater]

If we lynch Gyr, crypt could shoot blink, aivion, or MM tonight for all i care

Does your wincon say you win with mafia?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Just blindly making plans here with naz by his side wanting to shoot a cit lol

to have any type of idea to this means he has access to additional information we call it TMI it's what caught stealth as scum in the last game.

This is just shade thrown at me from Naz without any explanation because it makes no sense for my play right now to be coming from an SS point of view

The only additional info I got was in my rolecard, and I gave it all. It's just pure logic. You cannot erase the possiblity that town can win with mafia.

Also it really looked like you were desperately open wolfing here.

[blinkskater]

naz is town, MM could be scum but still leaning town.
Scum probably hiding in citizen claims, they always do

No they don't.... How so?

[blinkskater]

The only additional info I got was in my rolecard, and I gave it all. It's just pure logic. You cannot erase the possiblity that town can win with mafia.

Also it really looked like you were desperately open wolfing here.

Explain to me how that was open wolfing please.

[naz]

Your intetactions seem WvW to me, im entitled to an opinion am i not? You have barely had any logical discussion with each other you just accept each other as town in a blind way. You two are dictating the game due to your supposed "town tpr staus quo." You also ignore my points on MM's scummy ways. So untill you start looking at the game from the perspective of a town player... How do you expect me to townread you?

I have not accepted MM as town, since you havent been reading my posts I can log on my work computer to quote for you where I've stated at least twice that MM could be a SS. I've been looking at the game from a town perspective because my role card literally says town. Have you been drinking today?? I can't understand why you are choosing to skip reading words that people are saying

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Such blind trust in naz, do you believe there to be 4 TPRS for town? If so why?

Because 1: it's hidden setup 2: they are quite weak, out of the doctor, because they don't even know if they are just useless.

[Cryptonic]

No they don't.... How so?

Because its the easiest claim to make and no way to prove them wrong without investigation or lynching.

[blinkskater]

naz is town, MM could be scum but still leaning town.
Scum probably hiding in citizen claims, they always do

Naz could be town, yeah im open to that world, however MM is not.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

So contradicting he says we should play this like a normal game in normal games you Lynch the mafia when they are confirmed. But hold up your town though right??

..... I mean that we just ended up scum hunting without cypher stuff. You're grasping for straws.

[blinkskater]

Because its the easiest claim to make and no way to prove them wrong without investigation or lynching.

Its just as easy to claim doc, sheriff, vigi "Town Paranoid Investigator." Hell thats what you did =P

[blinkskater]

Its just as easy to claim doc, sheriff, vigi "Town Paranoid Investigator." Hell thats what you did =P

Also keeps invests off you if you claim a "tpr"

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Yes it does because if MM is really a paranoid sheriff person thing and hes checking you, it makes complete sense for you to throw a tantrum

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this is what might be happening right now. And in the event you're town, you must understand that fact. Because you're pulling a Spruance right now :P

[Marshmallow Marshall]

And think about the amount of TPRS 4... One confirmed doc dead.. So you mean to tell me theres 2 TOWN invests and 1 Mayor...? That seems HIGHLY IMBA

Invests don't even know if they see real stuff or not. Mayor can't reveal until SS is dead, which might just be the end of game so it might be a glorified citizen.

[blinkskater]

..... I mean that we just ended up scum hunting without cypher stuff. You're grasping for straws.

I never grasp for straws you are always an obvious scum lol this time is NO DIFFERENT. You didn't even freak out when i was performing my gambit day 1 you juat went along with it and buddy'd up to me, I see the WvT in that now.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Its not blind. I had i scumread on crypt (a correct one) He was not in my town circle so tocme that made sense.

What's your read on Gyrlander

[Cryptonic]

Its just as easy to claim doc, sheriff, vigi "Town Paranoid Investigator." Hell thats what you did =P

Ya but then you have to continually give false info and deal with counterclaims ir prove yourself by shooting. So its not as safe.
TPR claim is high risk and reward

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I never grasp for straws you are always an obvious scum lol this time is NO DIFFERENT. You didn't even freak out when i was performing my gambit day 1 you juat went along with it and buddy'd up to me, I see the WvT in that now.

Your last sentence is 100% correct if you're wolf

Your gambit was pro-town. If you're scum you just tried to confuse us o.O

[blinkskater]

Invests don't even know if they see real stuff or not. Mayor can't reveal until SS is dead, which might just be the end of game so it might be a glorified citizen.

Again we have no evidence to assume that the invests may not see real things. TMI you have here. Also you seemed to have a sttong opinions earlier that the invests will handle things... You and crypto first... Now u and naz... But now you say we cant place faith in invests that we dont know provide real feedback LOL stop slipping marshmalloe man

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I never grasp for straws you are always an obvious scum lol this time is NO DIFFERENT. You didn't even freak out when i was performing my gambit day 1 you juat went along with it and buddy'd up to me, I see the WvT in that now.

Plus you're implying that your gambit should reward you with scumreads. You mean that you intentionally did scummy things? Who does that...


We can play the twist-the-words-and-argue game if you want, but it is NOT PRO TOWN. We are following the scenario C, that's it.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Again we have no evidence to assume that the invests may not see real things. TMI you have here. Also you seemed to have a sttong opinions earlier that the invests will handle things... You and crypto first... Now u and naz... But now you say we cant place faith in invests that we dont know provide real feedback LOL stop slipping marshmalloe man

I don't think triad exists. Yet it appeared in my rolecard as an enemy lol

[blinkskater]

Ya but then you have to continually give false info and deal with counterclaims ir prove yourself by shooting. So its not as safe.
TPR claim is high risk and reward

Not at all 2 ppl claimed the same role in a 10 man setup and nobody blinked an eye... And you mean to tell me its not hard to give true info a few times? I guess we can agree to disagree on this one.

[Cryptonic]

The one thing MM has going for him is that he seems like hes been persuing the same thing in every decision he makes. So, im inclined to think he is a genuine person this game.

[naz]

I don't think triad exists. Yet it appeared in my rolecard as an enemy lol

I bet that's part of the flavor for paranoid lol its a waste of time to discuss role cards now that was d1 shit. And blink u asked a question about my role card that I've answered 10 times (exaggerating but I've stated it several times)

@Gyrlander I see you reading the thread. Claim

[blinkskater]

Plus you're implying that your gambit should reward you with scumreads. You mean that you intentionally did scummy things? Who does that...


We can play the twist-the-words-and-argue game if you want, but it is NOT PRO TOWN. We are following the scenario C, that's it.

Discussion is super pro town and im stating factual evidence. And i already posted in this thread that my gambit was to find town reads to form my town circle not scumreads. So your statement is 100% a discredit on me.

[naz]

Not at all 2 ppl claimed the same role in a 10 man setup and nobody blinked an eye... And you mean to tell me its not hard to give true info a few times? I guess we can agree to disagree on this one.

I chose to have an escort in my illuminati setup while mafia had confirmed consort. The game was about the same size. Why the fuck not

[Cryptonic]

Not at all 2 ppl claimed the same role in a 10 man setup and nobody blinked an eye... And you mean to tell me its not hard to give true info a few times? I guess we can agree to disagree on this one.

Trust me, go back to FM games and count how many times scum claims cit in a multi-cit game lol. Itll be over 80%
Unless youre counting games that have specific strategies, like mafia needs to counterclaim sheriff d2 in a P7 game.

[blinkskater]

The one thing MM has going for him is that he seems like hes been persuing the same thing in every decision he makes. So, im inclined to think he is a genuine person this game.

No he's all over the place ive allready stated wherr he has contridicted himself over and over.

[Gyrlander]

Oh, now I'm being voted!!

[Gyrlander]

I bet that's part of the flavor for paranoid lol its a waste of time to discuss role cards now that was d1 shit. And blink u asked a question about my role card that I've answered 10 times (exaggerating but I've stated it several times)

@Gyrlander I see you reading the thread. Claim

I already claimed.

[Gyrlander]

I assure you that if I got something interesting as my role I wouldn't have said that my role was depressing... + the AIVION conversation.

Although he betrayed me so fuck him.

[blinkskater]

I chose to have an escort in my illuminati setup while mafia had confirmed consort. The game was about the same size. Why the fuck not

Balance issues, SB16 is known for balanceing saves extremly well. In a 10 man save with 2 confirmed mafis and at least 1 confirmed sk it is extremely town sided to give town 4 TPRS.

[blinkskater]

Oh, now I'm being voted!!

Sheep me daddy <3

[AIVION]

I assure you that if I got something interesting as my role I wouldn't have said that my role was depressing... + the AIVION conversation.

Although he betrayed me so fuck him.

State it.

Also how is me asking simply for information from your rolecard "betraying" you?

Your attitude is questionable right now.

[blinkskater]

Trust me, go back to FM games and count how many times scum claims cit in a multi-cit game lol. Itll be over 80%
Unless youre counting games that have specific strategies, like mafia needs to counterclaim sheriff d2 in a P7 game.

Ive seen gyr play scum, this is not his scum game
Neither is it aivions.

[Gyrlander]

Sheep me daddy <3

I see... MM... To be honest, the people that I town-read the most rn are... nvm, is you. Lol. Even though I criticized your horrendous strat I found it towny ;)

I'm willing to vote MM or Crypt. Crypt just sounds so so so SO fake it's horrendous.

[blinkskater]

State it.

Also how is me asking simply for information from your rolecard "betraying" you?

Your attitude is questionable right now.

Sheep me daddy <3

[Gyrlander]

State it.

Also how is me asking simply for information from your rolecard "betraying" you?

Your attitude is questionable right now.

You literally said that you were OK with lynching me. After our talk yesterday... I consider you a traitor.

[blinkskater]

I see... MM... To be honest, the people that I town-read the most rn are... nvm, is you. Lol. Even though I criticized your horrendous strat I found it towny ;)

I'm willing to vote MM or Crypt. Crypt just sounds so so so SO fake it's horrendous.

Hes allready claimed mafia lol

[blinkskater]

You literally said that you were OK with lynching me. After our talk yesterday... I consider you a traitor.

Its okay scum are trying to eliminate the LHF which is you and aivion lol