S-FM Sengoku Jidai

[FM-Robun]

please sight one quote where I ever doubted that. Where I even hinted that there was the SMALLEST chance that you were lying about that?

I know it was voiced by a few people i will look to see if you were juan of them

[Ganelon]

You can post from the jail chat. Long as it’s not a screenshot or a quote.

[FM-Taheiji]

I’m gonna say there’s no reason we shouldn’t lynch toku today. But who’s to say that the jailor isn’t a scum jailor anyway?

[FM-Taheiji]

i actually think jailor should jail who was jailed ln due to no kills by the mafia

I’m thinking Shuzo is scum at this point. Again, there’s no confirmation the jailor is a town aligned jailor. On top of that, he seems to really want the jailor not to confirm himself to kazu and form a townblock.

[FM-Robun]

Fucking L-4 I really hope this doenst come down to AFK BS. at least we have a jailor? unless Robun was lying about being jailed.

This implies uncertainty IMO

[FM-Taheiji]

Robun, IMO you should paraphrase text about the jailor so we can determine whether it is a town aligned or scum aligned jailor, but not give enough info to where scum can figure out who the jailor is

[FM-Robun]

now your trying to get the jailor to reveal? Mafia are looking for roles.

IM ALMOST CERTAIN MAFIA HAS A DISGUISER

This is taking my words and twisting them at its finest, i dont know why you feel the need to try and scumpaint me... When you are an UN CC'D cried lol

[FM-Robun]

You can post from the jail chat. Long as it’s not a screenshot or a quote.

Ok

[FM-Robun]

Jailor did say he would post something that would confirm himself to me if need BE(which we both agreed on if it was NEED BE), this has not happened yet

These are my words thay were inherently twisted.... Ill paraphrase my jailor convo

[FM-Munenori]

Well up until that point you hadn’t been actively making contributions, so I suppose I’ll rescind my statement. That aside, the fact that you were so quick to suggest that masa was blackmailed feels scummy to me. It feels like the masa-mune-toku interactions were all premeditated to me.

Uhhh yeah, I was busy irl? Why don't you scum read ANY of the actual AFK people too then?
Sorry not sorry that I'm smart enough to realize someone is acting blackmailed. If you want to scum read me for it, your loss.
I do agree that the Toku-Masa interactions seemed premediated as well.

you missed a third scenario here.. 3) my opponent is not a true statement , and that tokuhei is scum

Ah yes, that too. Thanks. I want to say it is that third one you have suggested tbh.

[FM-Shuzo]

I’m thinking Shuzo is scum at this point. Again, there’s no confirmation the jailor is a town aligned jailor. On top of that, he seems to really want the jailor not to confirm himself to kazu and form a townblock.

i stated for jailor to jail who they choose to jail. and am only now thinking the no mafia kill could have been because of a jailor role block. this correct no evidence to prove jailor is town or scum.

[FM-Munenori]

tbh im struggling with the possibility he did just do a terrible play. But I thought it through, if we were to inno him and go to another lynch; what happens if he is disguiser? I don't think I could ever forgive myself in this game if the pitty-party strategy actually got me to unvote an almost confirmed scum.. Like, this move just gave a freebie to scums if he actually is town.

I was considering this too, but like I will say below:

I’m gonna say there’s no reason we shouldn’t lynch toku today. But who’s to say that the jailor isn’t a scum jailor anyway?

Who to lynch today then? We are in mandatory lynch mode. I see no better option at the moment.

[FM-Taheiji]

I was considering this too, but like I will say below:

Who to lynch today then? We are in mandatory lynch mode. I see no better option at the moment.

Huh? No I’m still saying we lynch toku. Besides that I get that you’re angry at my scumread of you but it was mostly just a prod, I was suggesting a possible scum alignment. That aside, what is your read on me right now? Do you think I’m a misguided town or a scum? I’m curious to know

[FM-Robun]

OK so this more or less how my conversations went with the person who jailed me:

I am open to the possibility that you very well could be a Tormentor. Bear with me on this one... I think there's a very small chance that you are a scum aligned Jailer. Reason being (and this is based on host meta) and a gut feeling of my own that the Mafia received the killing role Assassin. I don't see anyway a host can run this save without that role due to balance issues. This means I feel like I don't have to withhold any information from you. The the Mafia would have a GF, Killing = Assassin, and a Support (no idea). If you are indeed a tormentor I see no harm in being completely honest with you because you are your own faction and need to win by yourself with your "tormentee" alive.

If I were in your shoes, without actually 100% confirming your "Jailee" I would NOT feel comfortable revealing myself unless my gut was screaming town, or it was 100% needed. Keep that in mind if you jail someone else after myself.I had a plan that I wanted to set in motion right at the start of the day 2. A strong push on one of my more townie reads to see how they hold up and who (if anyone jumps in with me and why.). I will not rush the reads list, I'm even going to re-read the thread since it's not to long in case I missed something or something else jumps out at me.

My feelings are conflicted on lynching inactives. I fucking hate people who sign then don't participate, they should all be punished. So many damn games I've played came down to inactives in the end, I end up letting them live or going after the people going after the inactives (LHF) and then BAM the inactives were scum and i lose the fucking game. Plain and simple they ruin the game whether they are alive or lynched. If we as a town can't come up with a good lynch, come EOD and there are a group of inactive players, I would want to go for the player that is the least beneficial to town (THE FUCKING GUY WHO REFUSES SPEAK ENGLISH.) However I'd much rather lynch MY scumread if i have a strong one at the time. I do believe in advancing the game and I always believe a LYNCH is a good thing for the town, because there's a chance the "lynchee" will flip scum.

[FM-Robun]

The person who jailed me also asked me for a full list of reads I will post them now but keep in mind this is my UNTOUCHED PRE DAY 2 list of reads

[FM-Kazushige]

This implies uncertainty IMO

yes, uncertainty if it's a jailor and not a kidnapper or the other neutral thing. How are you so certain its a jailor? are you scum and just KNOW? =P

[FM-Kazushige]

This is taking my words and twisting them at its finest, i dont know why you feel the need to try and scumpaint me... When you are an UN CC'D cried lol

i swear to god we need to start killing anyone who keeps using "scumpaint" every time some pressure or shade gets thrown their way. this is mafia, you WILL get scumpainted and we will see how people react. That is how this game works.

[FM-Shuzo]

but , i think we can all agree we most likely have a jailing role of some type based on @FM-Robun testimonial.

[FM-Robun]

yes, uncertainty if it's a jailor and not a kidnapper or the other neutral thing. How are you so certain its a jailor? are you scum and just KNOW? =P

read post 1014 please =D

[FM-Robun]

but , i think we can all agree we most likely have a jailing role of some type based on @FM-Robun testimonial.

obviously i was in a fuckin cell last night mate i had to shit in a hole in the floor and sleep in the god dam dirt while you all got to sleep in your cozy japanese huts

[FM-Kazushige]

read post 1014 please =D

ya, good logic behind it. last paragraph we need to turn into a religion here.

Did you follow through with your day 2 plan at all? and if so what was it? lay out the details of what happened, what you got from it ect

[FM-Taheiji]

OK so this more or less how my conversations went with the person who jailed me:

I am open to the possibility that you very well could be a Tormentor. Bear with me on this one... I think there's a very small chance that you are a scum aligned Jailer. Reason being (and this is based on host meta) and a gut feeling of my own that the Mafia received the killing role Assassin. I don't see anyway a host can run this save without that role due to balance issues. This means I feel like I don't have to withhold any information from you. The the Mafia would have a GF, Killing = Assassin, and a Support (no idea). If you are indeed a tormentor I see no harm in being completely honest with you because you are your own faction and need to win by yourself with your "tormentee" alive.

If I were in your shoes, without actually 100% confirming your "Jailee" I would NOT feel comfortable revealing myself unless my gut was screaming town, or it was 100% needed. Keep that in mind if you jail someone else after myself.I had a plan that I wanted to set in motion right at the start of the day 2. A strong push on one of my more townie reads to see how they hold up and who (if anyone jumps in with me and why.). I will not rush the reads list, I'm even going to re-read the thread since it's not to long in case I missed something or something else jumps out at me.

My feelings are conflicted on lynching inactives. I fucking hate people who sign then don't participate, they should all be punished. So many damn games I've played came down to inactives in the end, I end up letting them live or going after the people going after the inactives (LHF) and then BAM the inactives were scum and i lose the fucking game. Plain and simple they ruin the game whether they are alive or lynched. If we as a town can't come up with a good lynch, come EOD and there are a group of inactive players, I would want to go for the player that is the least beneficial to town (THE FUCKING GUY WHO REFUSES SPEAK ENGLISH.) However I'd much rather lynch MY scumread if i have a strong one at the time. I do believe in advancing the game and I always believe a LYNCH is a good thing for the town, because there's a chance the "lynchee" will flip scum.

So wait who is saying what

[FM-Robun]

i swear to god we need to start killing anyone who keeps using "scumpaint" every time some pressure or shade gets thrown their way. this is mafia, you WILL get scumpainted and we will see how people react. That is how this game works.

it wasn't pressure or shade, you took what I said and made it something it was not =P

[FM-Munenori]

Huh? No I’m still saying we lynch toku. Besides that I get that you’re angry at my scumread of you but it was mostly just a prod, I was suggesting a possible scum alignment. That aside, what is your read on me right now? Do you think I’m a misguided town or a scum? I’m curious to know

Like I said, town-lean, definitely misguided on your scum read of me.

[FM-Taheiji]

obviously i was in a fuckin cell last night mate i had to shit in a hole in the floor and sleep in the god dam dirt while you all got to sleep in your cozy japanese huts

Can confirm: eastern style toilets are squat toilets, literally holes in the ground you shit into that get flushed. RIP to any handicapped people or people who for some reason or another are unable to squat.

[FM-Robun]

So wait who is saying what

that is all me I didn't post anything that the person who jailed me said.

[FM-Kazushige]

it wasn't pressure or shade, you took what I said and made it something it was not =P

no, you stating "it has not happened yet" I was taking at baiting for the jailor to come out and do it.

[FM-Kazushige]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-8gsWZqDBM

[FM-Robun]

ya, good logic behind it. last paragraph we need to turn into a religion here.

Did you follow through with your day 2 plan at all? and if so what was it? lay out the details of what happened, what you got from it ect

I never got a chance to because of the shit storm that went down, I wanted to push at MUN pretty aggressivley it did not happen.

[FM-Kazushige]

Can confirm: eastern style toilets are squat toilets, literally holes in the ground you shit into that get flushed. RIP to any handicapped people or people who for some reason or another are unable to squat.

srry that above link is supposed to be accompanied by this Quote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-8gsWZqDBM

(same link as above)

[FM-Robun]

no, you stating "it has not happened yet" I was taking at baiting for the jailor to come out and do it.

Well you took that wrong.

[FM-Taheiji]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-8gsWZqDBM

Thank you kazu, very cool!

[FM-Kazushige]

I never got a chance to because of the shit storm that went down, I wanted to push at MUN pretty aggressivley it did not happen.

ok, so your push at me was not part of that plan. and you have mun as a high town read (as of EoD yesterday)

[FM-Robun]

ok, so your push at me was not part of that plan. and you have mun as a high town read (as of EoD yesterday)

I will post my reads list from last night

[FM-Robun]

Alright I jotted down my reads. I never make reads lists on Day 1, because I don't place to much stock into day ones unless I catch someone slipping.

Taheiji (Tah) - I get good vibes from him he's said things to me that make sense, and I agree with his reasonings for scumreading Masa. One thing I didn't like about him is him saying we shouldn't lynch day 1, I think we needed to lynch day 1.This man also didn't mind when people voted him at all if they gave reasoning.

Shuzo (Shu) - Unsure on this slot. He came in a little trolly which is fine, then came back in a little more serious but didn't scumhunt, threw a vote somewhere with a reason and parked it.I'd like to see more from this player on Day 2, he doesn't deserve a scum read atm (for a reason I can't say)

Munenori (Mun) - I townread Mun for the way he handled himself in debates with Tak. I liked how Mun wanted a lynch day 1 (my thoughts also). Mun also seemed genuinly confused at one point which i take as a town tell. My gut is also telling me that Mun is town.

Kazushige (Kaz) - This slot is the most unreadable for me. Very logical, makes a lot of sense, and has valid points. Which yes I find to be very townlike. I feel like he knows exactly what's going on which makes me very uneasy, scum generally look like they have all the right things to say and know who's who. I did get a good vibe when he admitted to getting players mixed up because I know how he feels there, to me his reacton was genuine.

Takeru (Tak) - Upon first reading his posts he came in very logical, and I agreed with where he was coming from. Then when Take and Mun were going at it I got some strong scum vibes that eminated from Tak, although I do feel they were just misunderstanding each other and he could be a misguided townie.

Tsuneyo (Tsu) - There's not really anything from this player please be more active day 2 like you said.

Naonobu (Nao) - Not much going on on this slot either, only thing that jumps out as me is said he was gonna comeback and post and barley did that, MORE FROM YOU DAY 2.

Toshikazu (Tosh) - Nothing from this guy either you need to step it up day 2 please.

Sorai (Sor) - My instincts are screaming at me that no scum would act like this on day 1, however my gut is screaming at me that this guy knows exactly what he's doing and is a scummie. I tried starting a train on him to see how fast and whom would jump on it, but it did not take at all I think I even got pegged for going after a LHF. His train didn't take at all. (Curious.)

Masaharu (Masa) - One of my more scummier reads for obvious reasons. Seemed liked a caught scum within the first few posts (sheepsaysmeep.) Didn't really make any strong arguments or scumhunt really. IMO seems defeated after multiple people called him out for being scummy. I do feel he could be on a scum team with Tok, I got a slight bussing vibe.

Etsuya (Etsy) - Has only spoken in Japanese and quite frankly it's pissing me off, if you're going to have a low post count the least you can do is fucking post in english. If i don't see more posts and ENGLISH tomorrow you do not deserve to be in this game and should be modkilled.

Tokuhei (Tok) - Where do I start with this guy very early on I had a slight scum lean on this guy, which stuck around with me for a while. Activley trying to scumhunt and poke and prod for information which is good, but I sense the intentions behind the actions to be scummy call it a gut read if you will.

[FM-Robun]

@FM-Kazushige disregard the purple, you were still in the town slot, but I had bad JUJU about you, a feeling that came from my loins

[FM-Munenori]

I never got a chance to because of the shit storm that went down, I wanted to push at MUN pretty aggressivley it did not happen.

altho ur plan has been busted feel free to push me still

[FM-Robun]

altho ur plan has been busted feel free to push me still

you weren't supposed to know that I was townreading you X_X

[FM-Robun]

There is still one bit of Wifoam that I have left that the jailer and I discussed that I will not mention. (I open at the close.)

[FM-Kazushige]

There is still one bit of Wifoam that I have left that the jailer and I discussed that I will not mention. (I open at the close.)

So when you are ready to die you will reveal the last pieces of information?

[FM-Robun]

So when you are ready to die you will reveal the last pieces of information?

Yes, unless other circumstances arrive that were discussed and it is needed prior to that time.

[FM-Sorai]

Alrighty im back now
Give me a tl;dr I cant read all of this stuff right now but i will still give my opinions and analyzations from day 1 in a long post tommorow

[FM-Kazushige]

Alrighty im back now
Give me a tl;dr I cant read all of this stuff right now but i will still give my opinions and analyzations from day 1 in a long post tommorow

[FM-Kazushige]

I'll be back in a bit

[FM-Robun]

I won't be back on untill tomorrow morning, catch yall on the slip side

[FM-Sorai]

I'm tired as hell right now so let me give me my current reads and summary from the first 6 pages from Day 2
Attention: Dealing with the names here is a pain in the butt so I'll call you accordingly

-(will be posted in around 20 mins)-

[FM-Sorai]

ohh a train? oh nvm its the weird train I wont touch the weird train

[FM-Sorai]

@dm-sorai where is this giant post that you had so gracefully offered us id you made it to day 2?

later

[FM-Sorai]

With you and Shuzo, that gets us to L-2. Then comes the problem of 2 more people.

we may be able to get the top 2 to vote, but if even 1 of u 2 or these 2 are scum we run into a big problem of having an issue for a potential stalemate. we know the bottom 4 are just not keeping up on shit. Hell they were not even voting D1.

@FM-Taheiji
@FM-Takeru

@FM-Sorai
@FM-Naonobu
@FM-Etsuya
@FM-Toshikazu

Lie of the Century right here

[FM-Taheiji]

Lie of the Century right here

=_= someone look at Sorai and tell me he’s town wtf is this bullshit