S-FM Sengoku Jidai

[FM-Munenori]

First paragraph: I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT MAKING A CODE BECAUSE WE ARE USUALLY NOT ALLOWED TO CODE ANYTHING IN FM GAMES OKAY????

Second paragraph: Read the thread. I soft claimed when I said I was, and I'm quoting myself, "100% sure now Kazu [was] scum". I wanted clever people to notice that the only way to know (100%) that would be to be the real Herald.


I take it that you're town though. Even if you are going on the scum's side, you are explaining your thoughts kinda well, and I admit that first paragraph's subject was... a poor play from me ;-; just read everything, and READ MY ARGUMENTS ON THE POST WHERE KAZU CLAIMS "CRIER". The Crier role is not in the game. Herald =/= crier. It's another role.

You are sooooo desperate. How are you going to tell people to read the setup when you haven't read it yourself?

SPOILER=Herald (Crier)You are a loud-mouthed servant of the Emperor, relaying the news to the court.

You may post an anonymous message to be displayed during the ensuing day. You may not reveal your identity in the post.
[/SPOILER]


Order of Operations

0.1 Targets are Jailed or Kidnapped.
0.2 Jailor/Kidnapper/Tormentor Night Chat Open
0.3 Targets are Executed
0.4 Mafia Night Chat
1. Roleblockers (Consort>Escort)
2. Kills (Vigilante>Goon/Disguiser>Blacksmith Sword>Jailor>Kidnapper)
3. Blackmailer
4. Blacksmith gives out Sword
5. Survivor Vest
6. Sleuth
7. Janitor
8. Crier sends message (can be stopped by blackmailer)
9. Auditor


If a Ventriloquist/Disguiser/Blackmailer end up in the game (i.e. the setup is anon), then you are allowed (and encouraged) to encode your posts with a cypher. You have to PM me the code beforehand and explain in detail what exactly your code does. You may only submit codes that you generated yourself, pen&paper; don't use a computer program to generate it for you, because it would be unfair then.

[FM-Munenori]

Omg. You are........... Okay FUCK THAT


No I am not the fucking Herald lol.



I am a proud Samurai, maybe a lil bit too proud. This post SCREAMS town to me. If you're actually able to make posts that scream town as scum, well FUCKING WELL PLAYED. ADGFADGADGAGAGADGAGAGD I am confused. Now I guess that you want explainations on why I did that? Coming in next post.

why would you CC the crier???????????????? How is that a pro-town play?

[FM-Munenori]

Ok what the cheesecakes. I don’t like tokuhei to be honest. Claiming crier isnt a scumslip in my opinion, we’ve had some “citizen” claims. I feel like @FM-Kazushige vs @FM-Robun is TvT and I honestly think Tokuhei is scum *at this point in time*. This is for multiple reasons. Worst case scenario if we mislynch, town killing should get the other person between kazu and toku. But I say no matter what we have to lynch one of them today.
As of right now, my thoughts are that Shuzo and Munemori are scums bussing tokuhei, to avoid being targeted by kazu who is tunneling a scum toku. Mune was the first to suggest that masa was blackmailed, and that to me is especially scummy because he didn’t seem like the type of person to participate actively enough to read the setup.

I was town reading you until this post. This is so garbage lol? also you can go fuck yourself for making assumptions

[FM-Munenori]

@FM-Kazushige can you create a code or something before EoD and let us know so we can confirm you tomorrow in case of disguiser?

[FM-Munenori]

My Opponent is a liar and cannot be trusted

-vote FM-Tokuhei

I think we should break this down. Lets assume this is a real blackmail. The role card of blackmailer says that you demand a player do something or else they die. From the looks of it, it seems that it has unlimited uses (which is pretty OP, we should try to find this role and get rid of it asap)


Ok, so assuming blackmail = real, Masa would have to be town (or maybe neutral). Mafia would not waste this on their own, else, the player would just fake it (so they don't actually die), also it's a waste of a night kill - the mafia would definitely use this on a town. The language of the sentence is interesting, especially the "My Opponent" part.

There are two scenarios that I can think of:

1) My Opponent is a true statement, and that Tokuhei is a scum, or
2) My Opponent is not a true statement, and that Tokuhei is town.

I'm more inclined to lean with scenario 1, because the way Tokuhei responded seems just like a slooooppy scum. But I also do not like that Masaharu has not posted again since this. I feel like if I were blackmailed, I would quote posts that I agree with and at least post the same sentence. Because it should not have been a list of demands, it should have just been ONE demand. (@Magoroth i hope u are hosting this right lol)

So then, if the blackmail is fake, then I doubt the mafia even have a blackmail role, or someone else is blackmailed and we don't know. But I doubt someone else is BM'd, because I'm sure mafia would not target an afk, and we would have realized it by now (Actually, I'm pretty sure a few players have not checked in yet, we are almost at the 24 hour mark). Masa was pretty scum read yesterday by many, and was a potential lynch. So why would the mafia target a scummy player? To clear the scummy player's name. So thus, if the blackmail is fake, My Opponent could really be to clear two names as town.

I've been sitting with this post open for at least 30 minutes, trying to form some train of thought. Please let me know if there's anything spotty or missing. I read it and reread it, but because its my thoughts they make sense to me. I'd like to hear what people think about this.

While I'm still here on this first page, I do have an issue with this post as well:

Aite aite, what do you think about the crier do you think he should have left some sortnod clue incase he neesed to confirm himself incase of a hard CC ?

This is really weird to me that you knew there was a crier before anyone had claimed it? You claim to have been jailed and there is no invest type roles, so why did you go straight to talking about it?

[FM-Munenori]

also @FM-Masaharu if you really are town , turn off your invisible thing so we can see you reading the thread please

[FM-Shuzo]

@FM-Taheiji @FM-Shuzo @FM-Naonobu

I expect you three to step in immediatly and comment. Be it with a vote on me, a "I trust you", or a "I'm confused", SAY SOMETHING. Explain it. The good side of that mess is that info can be obtained out of it. MAKE USE OF IT IF YOU ARE TOWN.

and what is it you want me to comment on specifically

[FM-Tokuhei]

why would you CC the crier???????????????? How is that a pro-town play?

With the amount of scum painting he did, I 100 - tinfoil % believed he was scum.

[FM-Tokuhei]

and what is it you want me to comment on specifically

The mess that just happened with me, but also your reads on other people. I monopolized attention of the entire Town, and some scums are hiding now, that's for sure. Also everyone, you don't need to fucking repeat and explain me how my move was stupid, I KNOW, thanks.

[FM-Tokuhei]

I was town reading you until this post. This is so garbage lol? also you can go fuck yourself for making assumptions

You are scummy as hell. Say whatever you want about this day, you're scummy. I would not be surprised to see you flip red at all.

Actually,

-vote FM-Munenori

Some bit of pressure, for what it's worth...

[FM-Tokuhei]

also @FM-Masaharu if you really are town , turn off your invisible thing so we can see you reading the thread please

+1

[FM-Shuzo]

LISTEN EVERYONE.



Lynch Kazushige the scum today. And if you believe I am scum, just lynch him still, then lynch me if he flips town, which he won't! Instead of being tricked in his bullshit. Read the posts. And look at Kazu's posts. It is plain scum painting. Also look at the post where I see he fake claims "Crier" (Which is not even a role in the game btw lol, Herald is not Crier). That fake claim just sealed his fate

kinda seems you are willing to kill just about anyone to reach the throne.

[FM-Tokuhei]

Despite Toku's recent post about him being, in fact, a Samurai... I still recommend lynching him. He just got us into a super big mess and caused a lot of confussion between the Town. Plus, his CC was completely bullshit and pretty much everyone realised that.... but he kept trying to convince us to get Kazu.

If you are a Samurai and someone claims Herald and you CC him because you are convinced of him being Scum... wtf? You should at least wait for the REAL Herald to CC him, doing it yourself just makes it so that we may lynch a confirmed Town if you're incorrect... which, WOW. TURNS OUT TO BE THE CASE.

As from now I will ignore posts that only say that I am stupid. I know, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

Just saying, Kazu is confirmed town, I don't want him down now lol

[FM-Tokuhei]

You are sooooo desperate. How are you going to tell people to read the setup when you haven't read it yourself?

It is still not the same role though...

[FM-Tokuhei]

You may assume control of a player's account during the night, gaining the ability to talk from their account during the following day.

You may do this twice.


people who are vented cant vote i dont believe. and Toku voted 2 people.

@Magoroth ventrils cant vote correct?

Yeah no I'm not ventriloqued or w/e, just dumb XD

[FM-Shuzo]

@Magoroth Given the number of AFKs, I think the game needs to have a mandatory lynch now. No mandatory on D1 is okay, but else it will just never end because too many AFKs.

still pushing for any kill. why is your thirst for blood so great?

[FM-Shuzo]

Lightnings need to start happening ASAP

so you are looking for the quickening?

[FM-Shuzo]

Begging the Light to come and bless them with the Knowledge?

the knowledge will come to us all in due time.

[FM-Munenori]

You are scummy as hell. Say whatever you want about this day, you're scummy. I would not be surprised to see you flip red at all.

Actually,

-vote FM-Munenori

Some bit of pressure, for what it's worth...

So I'm scum for reading the setup. Mmmk.
Also notice how you chose to ignore my post about the blackmailing & prefer to scum paint me over discussion.

[FM-Robun]

I think we should break this down. Lets assume this is a real blackmail. The role card of blackmailer says that you demand a player do something or else they die. From the looks of it, it seems that it has unlimited uses (which is pretty OP, we should try to find this role and get rid of it asap)


Ok, so assuming blackmail = real, Masa would have to be town (or maybe neutral). Mafia would not waste this on their own, else, the player would just fake it (so they don't actually die), also it's a waste of a night kill - the mafia would definitely use this on a town. The language of the sentence is interesting, especially the "My Opponent" part.

There are two scenarios that I can think of:

1) My Opponent is a true statement, and that Tokuhei is a scum, or
2) My Opponent is not a true statement, and that Tokuhei is town.

I'm more inclined to lean with scenario 1, because the way Tokuhei responded seems just like a slooooppy scum. But I also do not like that Masaharu has not posted again since this. I feel like if I were blackmailed, I would quote posts that I agree with and at least post the same sentence. Because it should not have been a list of demands, it should have just been ONE demand. (@Magoroth i hope u are hosting this right lol)

So then, if the blackmail is fake, then I doubt the mafia even have a blackmail role, or someone else is blackmailed and we don't know. But I doubt someone else is BM'd, because I'm sure mafia would not target an afk, and we would have realized it by now (Actually, I'm pretty sure a few players have not checked in yet, we are almost at the 24 hour mark). Masa was pretty scum read yesterday by many, and was a potential lynch. So why would the mafia target a scummy player? To clear the scummy player's name. So thus, if the blackmail is fake, My Opponent could really be to clear two names as town.

I've been sitting with this post open for at least 30 minutes, trying to form some train of thought. Please let me know if there's anything spotty or missing. I read it and reread it, but because its my thoughts they make sense to me. I'd like to hear what people think about this.

While I'm still here on this first page, I do have an issue with this post as well:

This is really weird to me that you knew there was a crier before anyone had claimed it? You claim to have been jailed and there is no invest type roles, so why did you go straight to talking about it?

The opening day post has it posted.....

[FM-Tokuhei]

still pushing for any kill. why is your thirst for blood so great?

Because Mafia can kill with Blackmailer and we have tons of AFK, and apparently BMer is not even a killer.

[FM-Munenori]

Oh what the fuck lol why is it at the bottom hidden in a spoiler. I just saw it ...-_____-

[FM-Tokuhei]

So I'm scum for reading the setup. Mmmk.
Also notice how you chose to ignore my post about the blackmailing & prefer to scum paint me over discussion.

For reading the setup? When did I say that? You only pop in when 1: you're pressured or 2: you see an easy lynch. And you are now twisting my words.

[FM-Robun]

@Magoroth can a person who wad jailed post what the posted in jail chat to this day chat?

[FM-Munenori]

For reading the setup? When did I say that? You only pop in when 1: you're pressured or 2: you see an easy lynch. And you are now twisting my words.

I pop in when I am not at work, sleeping, or doing other things irl, but you can keep trying to paint whatever narrative you want.

[FM-Robun]

@Magoroth can a person who wad jailed post what the posted in jail chat to this day chat?

I feel like what i talked about in jail needs to be discussed if its allowed

[FM-Robun]

Have a few things to do ill be back in a few for a little bit

[Ganelon]

@Magoroth can a person who wad jailed post what the posted in jail chat to this day chat?

Yes, but obviously they would have to paraphrase. No direct quotation from the chat. Just paraphrasing. Even C/P is fine. Just, it shouldn't be quoted.

[FM-Robun]

Yes, but obviously they would have to paraphrase. No direct quotation from the chat. Just paraphrasing. Even C/P is fine. Just, it shouldn't be quoted.

This is extremely contradicting .....

[FM-Robun]

@Magoroth you god dam potatoe farmer

[FM-Kazushige]

I feel like what i talked about in jail needs to be discussed if its allowed

You hard defended Toku all yesterday, but have no comment on anything thats happened since you were gone?

[FM-Shuzo]

I think we should break this down. Lets assume this is a real blackmail. The role card of blackmailer says that you demand a player do something or else they die. From the looks of it, it seems that it has unlimited uses (which is pretty OP, we should try to find this role and get rid of it asap)


Ok, so assuming blackmail = real, Masa would have to be town (or maybe neutral). Mafia would not waste this on their own, else, the player would just fake it (so they don't actually die), also it's a waste of a night kill - the mafia would definitely use this on a town. The language of the sentence is interesting, especially the "My Opponent" part.

There are two scenarios that I can think of:

1) My Opponent is a true statement, and that Tokuhei is a scum, or
2) My Opponent is not a true statement, and that Tokuhei is town.

I'm more inclined to lean with scenario 1, because the way Tokuhei responded seems just like a slooooppy scum. But I also do not like that Masaharu has not posted again since this. I feel like if I were blackmailed, I would quote posts that I agree with and at least post the same sentence. Because it should not have been a list of demands, it should have just been ONE demand. (@Magoroth i hope u are hosting this right lol)

So then, if the blackmail is fake, then I doubt the mafia even have a blackmail role, or someone else is blackmailed and we don't know. But I doubt someone else is BM'd, because I'm sure mafia would not target an afk, and we would have realized it by now (Actually, I'm pretty sure a few players have not checked in yet, we are almost at the 24 hour mark). Masa was pretty scum read yesterday by many, and was a potential lynch. So why would the mafia target a scummy player? To clear the scummy player's name. So thus, if the blackmail is fake, My Opponent could really be to clear two names as town.

I've been sitting with this post open for at least 30 minutes, trying to form some train of thought. Please let me know if there's anything spotty or missing. I read it and reread it, but because its my thoughts they make sense to me. I'd like to hear what people think about this.

While I'm still here on this first page, I do have an issue with this post as well:

This is really weird to me that you knew there was a crier before anyone had claimed it? You claim to have been jailed and there is no invest type roles, so why did you go straight to talking about it?

you missed a third scenario here.. 3) my opponent is not a true statement , and that tokuhei is scum

[FM-Kazushige]

I assume he means that you can copy and paste as long as you leave it open to the possibility of it being fabricated as in if you put out evidence that 100% confirms the existence of a jailor that’s no good but as long as it’s wifom-able it should be safe? Not too sure

Copy paste is anti town anyways. It allows for possible revealing of the jailor. so paraphrasing is better.

[FM-Shuzo]

Ok what the cheesecakes. I don’t like tokuhei to be honest. Claiming crier isnt a scumslip in my opinion, we’ve had some “citizen” claims. I feel like @FM-Kazushige vs @FM-Robun is TvT and I honestly think Tokuhei is scum *at this point in time*. This is for multiple reasons. Worst case scenario if we mislynch, town killing should get the other person between kazu and toku. But I say no matter what we have to lynch one of them today.
As of right now, my thoughts are that Shuzo and Munemori are scums bussing tokuhei, to avoid being targeted by kazu who is tunneling a scum toku. Mune was the first to suggest that masa was blackmailed, and that to me is especially scummy because he didn’t seem like the type of person to participate actively enough to read the setup.

i actually think jailor should jail who was jailed ln due to no kills by the mafia

[FM-Shuzo]

thats true must have slipped my mind. but if there is a blacksmith cant he forge new weapons?

[FM-Kazushige]

At the start I was thinking you were the scum between you and toku too tbh lol but after toku claimed cit I was like fuck that

tbh im struggling with the possibility he did just do a terrible play. But I thought it through, if we were to inno him and go to another lynch; what happens if he is disguiser? I don't think I could ever forgive myself in this game if the pitty-party strategy actually got me to unvote an almost confirmed scum.. Like, this move just gave a freebie to scums if he actually is town.

[FM-Kazushige]

i actually think jailor should jail who was jailed ln due to no kills by the mafia

+1 (not because the no kills, but because I have a scum read on the person who was jailed)

[FM-Robun]

So i have infact been in contact with the jailor on this day.

[FM-Robun]

+1 (not because the no kills, but because I have a scum read on the person who was jailed)

Oh so you do believe i was in jail now?

[FM-Kazushige]

Oh so you do believe i was in jail now?

please sight one quote where I ever doubted that. Where I even hinted that there was the SMALLEST chance that you were lying about that?

[FM-Kazushige]

please sight one quote where I ever doubted that. Where I even hinted that there was the SMALLEST chance that you were lying about that?

Second you said you were jailed, my response was "that couild explain the no kills" and from then on have told the jailor to rejail you.

What you just did is pull out your big gallon of red paint, trip and spill it on yourself.

[FM-Robun]

please sight one quote where I ever doubted that. Where I even hinted that there was the SMALLEST chance that you were lying about that?

I know it was voiced by a few people i will look to see if you were juan of them

[Ganelon]

You can post from the jail chat. Long as it’s not a screenshot or a quote.

[FM-Robun]

Fucking L-4 I really hope this doenst come down to AFK BS. at least we have a jailor? unless Robun was lying about being jailed.

This implies uncertainty IMO

[FM-Robun]

now your trying to get the jailor to reveal? Mafia are looking for roles.

IM ALMOST CERTAIN MAFIA HAS A DISGUISER

This is taking my words and twisting them at its finest, i dont know why you feel the need to try and scumpaint me... When you are an UN CC'D cried lol

[FM-Robun]

You can post from the jail chat. Long as it’s not a screenshot or a quote.

Ok

[FM-Robun]

Jailor did say he would post something that would confirm himself to me if need BE(which we both agreed on if it was NEED BE), this has not happened yet

These are my words thay were inherently twisted.... Ill paraphrase my jailor convo

[FM-Munenori]

Well up until that point you hadn’t been actively making contributions, so I suppose I’ll rescind my statement. That aside, the fact that you were so quick to suggest that masa was blackmailed feels scummy to me. It feels like the masa-mune-toku interactions were all premeditated to me.

Uhhh yeah, I was busy irl? Why don't you scum read ANY of the actual AFK people too then?
Sorry not sorry that I'm smart enough to realize someone is acting blackmailed. If you want to scum read me for it, your loss.
I do agree that the Toku-Masa interactions seemed premediated as well.

you missed a third scenario here.. 3) my opponent is not a true statement , and that tokuhei is scum

Ah yes, that too. Thanks. I want to say it is that third one you have suggested tbh.

[FM-Shuzo]

I’m thinking Shuzo is scum at this point. Again, there’s no confirmation the jailor is a town aligned jailor. On top of that, he seems to really want the jailor not to confirm himself to kazu and form a townblock.

i stated for jailor to jail who they choose to jail. and am only now thinking the no mafia kill could have been because of a jailor role block. this correct no evidence to prove jailor is town or scum.

[FM-Munenori]

tbh im struggling with the possibility he did just do a terrible play. But I thought it through, if we were to inno him and go to another lynch; what happens if he is disguiser? I don't think I could ever forgive myself in this game if the pitty-party strategy actually got me to unvote an almost confirmed scum.. Like, this move just gave a freebie to scums if he actually is town.

I was considering this too, but like I will say below:

I’m gonna say there’s no reason we shouldn’t lynch toku today. But who’s to say that the jailor isn’t a scum jailor anyway?

Who to lynch today then? We are in mandatory lynch mode. I see no better option at the moment.