S-FM Sengoku Jidai

[FM-Taheiji]

I am goign to remove my vote for right now, only to prevent a lynch before everyone has gotten on.

-vote unvote

it will also allow other people who may not be able to get on to vote without putting him on L-1

MY VOTE WILL BE ON TOKU - HE IS THE 100% LYNCH FOR TODAY. just making sure our jailor can get an action in before it happens.

Thank you. I would have preferred to hold my vote off but I’m not 100% sure I’ll make it back tmrw.

[FM-Kazushige]

TO THE JAILOR (assuming they are a town jailor) AND A POSSIBLE HERALD CC: hey Kazushige is pretty much confirmed town herald. If there are no herald CCs, jailor should reveal to kazu and begin forming a town block as well as codes in case of a disguiser.

That's actually a good idea... but it also allows for robun to not get jailed tonight. If Toku flips mafia killing, then hell ya jail me the next night. but for now I think jailing Robun is the safest bet.

[FM-Tokuhei]

@Magoroth

Is suicide allowed... I believe it is part of the very rare situations where it is protown x.x

[FM-Kazushige]

@Magoroth

Is suicide allowed... I believe it is part of the very rare situations where it is protown x.x

Suicides happen at night. You know this.

[FM-Kazushige]

@Magoroth

Is suicide allowed... I believe it is part of the very rare situations where it is protown x.x

I have now even surpassed you in post count. Your reign is over. You have fallen.

[FM-Kazushige]

200th post.

[FM-Tokuhei]

If suicide is allowed, I will commit seppuku tonight. Or you can lynch me if you want to lol but if you want to lynch someone else with me dying still, it shall happen.

[FM-Kazushige]

If suicide is allowed, I will commit seppuku tonight. Or you can lynch me if you want to lol but if you want to lynch someone else with me dying still, it shall happen.

no, you are trying every possible thing you can to get to tonight. I really think you are the disguiser.

-Counter claimed Crier

-hard pushed against crier claim during ur CC

-retracted and tried to say it was for information

-now saying you will suicide so no need to lynch.


You are valuable to your team, and your head is valuable for our castle.

[FM-Taheiji]

Cheesecakes. I want everyone to post in this chat before a hammer, if possible. To repeat myself, as of this moment I think @FM-Kazushige is a lock+confirmed town, @FM-Takeru and @FM-Robun are town reads, (see EoD2), tokuhei is a scum, etsuya is a possible neutral-alignment? Masaharu is probably null now, mune and Shuzo are possible scums bussing toku and by PoE all the other inactives are town

[FM-Tokuhei]

I have now even surpassed you in post count. Your reign is over. You have fallen.

XD


I believe that there are A LOT of scums in the AFKs. Probably two. And now, the neutral... who the neutral can be, this is a mystery. And now:

[FM-Taheiji]

That's actually a good idea... but it also allows for robun to not get jailed tonight. If Toku flips mafia killing, then hell ya jail me the next night. but for now I think jailing Robun is the safest bet.

Jailor you go ahead and take your pick. But for the herald, if you don’t CC now then

[FM-Tokuhei]

Actually nvm just lynch me in case there is incense master that cleans me up tonight if I suicide. That would suck lol.

-vote FM-Tokuhei

If I scum hunt, will you use my scum hunting if I flip town?

[FM-Taheiji]

no, you are trying every possible thing you can to get to tonight. I really think you are the disguiser.

-Counter claimed Crier

-hard pushed against crier claim during ur CC

-retracted and tried to say it was for information

-now saying you will suicide so no need to lynch.


You are valuable to your team, and your head is valuable for our castle.

I agree with this post. He is trying way too hard to ensure he stays alive for one more night. I think the fact that toku and mune instantly came to the conclusion of blackmailing is really suspicious, when even I who read the setup was about to first call masa out for being scummy.

[FM-Kazushige]

Actually nvm just lynch me in case there is incense master that cleans me up tonight if I suicide. That would suck lol.

-vote FM-Tokuhei

If I scum hunt, will you use my scum hunting if I flip town?

now we are going into reversed psychology

[FM-Taheiji]

Actually nvm just lynch me in case there is incense master that cleans me up tonight if I suicide. That would suck lol.

-vote FM-Tokuhei

If I scum hunt, will you use my scum hunting if I flip town?

Please, provide reads. No matter who reads are from, reads are valuable

[FM-Tokuhei]

I agree with this post. He is trying way too hard to ensure he stays alive for one more night. I think the fact that toku and mune instantly came to the conclusion of blackmailing is really suspicious, when even I who read the setup was about to first call masa out for being scummy.

now we are going into reversed psychology

Can you stop discussing about if you lynch me or not and LYNCH ME AT EOD??? Just answer me: If I flip town, will you use the scum hunting I will do before dying? Because if you say you won't, well I won't waste hours trying to find scums lol

[FM-Tokuhei]

Please, provide reads. No matter who reads are from, reads are valuable

I gave them earlier, and actually I think the AFKs are the scums xD

[FM-Taheiji]

now we are going into reversed psychology

I think it’s safe to say that toku is scum at this point. Try and focus your attentions elsewhere too? I’m especially curious on your thoughts about Munemori vs Takeru and of your thoughts on uhhh what’s his face Shuzo

[FM-Kazushige]

Can you stop discussing about if you lynch me or not and LYNCH ME AT EOD??? Just answer me: If I flip town, will you use the scum hunting I will do before dying? Because if you say you won't, well I won't waste hours trying to find scums lol

if you flip town im mindfucked beyond belief at your play. but any town flip that has a reads list is used. ANYTHING is used. even if u flip scum the reads list could have holes in it.

[FM-Taheiji]

Gonna have to go now for undiscussable reasons lol but I promise I’ll try my absolute best to be active tmrw

[FM-Taheiji]

if you flip town im mindfucked beyond belief at your play. but any town flip that has a reads list is used. ANYTHING is used. even if u flip scum the reads list could have holes in it.

^^ this

[FM-Kazushige]

I think it’s safe to say that toku is scum at this point. Try and focus your attentions elsewhere too? I’m especially curious on your thoughts about Munemori vs Takeru and of your thoughts on uhhh what’s his face Shuzo

Munemori comes off town, just from D1 and backing on D2. I don't see a scum responding the way they did to the situation... it was pretty accusatory towards toku. Takeru ill need to read up more on his posts.

[FM-Tokuhei]

Kazu
Robun
Takeru
Taheiji
Naoenobu, very slight town lean
Bunch of AFKs
Shuzo
Masaharu, well when ill be we lynched well never know what was the mission rip
The japanese guy
Sorai
Munenori



That's it. And well, I apologize for the plays but since this is not ladder, I prefer testing stuff like keeping a fake roleclaim on an unranked game. I don't know if I'll come back since it's pretty much useless. Ping me if you need anything, I'll answer. now bye :P

[FM-Tokuhei]

Munemori comes off town, just from D1 and backing on D2. I don't see a scum responding the way they did to the situation... it was pretty accusatory towards toku. Takeru ill need to read up more on his posts.

See things from a point of view where I'm town, which is the right one, tomorrow. Then read Munenori again. I really don't trust him.

[FM-Kazushige]

Kazu
Robun
Takeru
Taheiji
Naoenobu, very slight town lean
Bunch of AFKs
Shuzo
Masaharu, well when ill be we lynched well never know what was the mission rip
The japanese guy
Sorai
Munenori



That's it. And well, I apologize for the plays but since this is not ladder, I prefer testing stuff like keeping a fake roleclaim on an unranked game. I don't know if I'll come back since it's pretty much useless. Ping me if you need anything, I'll answer. now bye :P

thats your reads list you didnt want to spend hours on? .....

[FM-Kazushige]

See things from a point of view where I'm town, which is the right one, tomorrow. Then read Munenori again. I really don't trust him.

I really hope u did not play this as a town =(

[FM-Naonobu]

thats your reads list you didnt want to spend hours on? .....

It is indeed lacking

[FM-Naonobu]

@FM-Taheiji @FM-Shuzo @FM-Naonobu

I expect you three to step in immediatly and comment. Be it with a vote on me, a "I trust you", or a "I'm confused", SAY SOMETHING. Explain it. The good side of that mess is that info can be obtained out of it. MAKE USE OF IT IF YOU ARE TOWN.

I alrdy said im siding with kazu on this and explained my reasons. What more do you want? You give off a cornered rat vibe atm

[Ganelon]

@Magoroth can the blackmailer give multiple things for the person to do? Because saying only 1 message all day is 1 thing, then saying they ahve to get the target lynched is a separate.

Is it possible for the BMer to say "You have to get your target lynched only using these words" ? or does that count as 2 actions.

The demand can be anything as long as it's not restricted by time. And it cannot disable a player's ability to vote, but it can force them to only vote a specific person.

Also, second question. Debatable. I need a more specific case because in some cases the demand may be nearly impossible to meet.

[Ganelon]

When did you ask that question? xD I think we just got a nice scum slip off u lol

@Magoroth Does blackmailer count as a mafia killing role?

Naw.

[FM-Tokuhei]

thats your reads list you didnt want to spend hours on? .....

No it's not, I just got enough FM for tonight :P I'll scumhunt for real later lol

[FM-Tokuhei]

I really hope u did not play this as a town =(

I tried that strategy........... it failed. If only I could think noone would know who I am after the game.... lol....

[FM-Tokuhei]

I alrdy said im siding with kazu on this and explained my reasons. What more do you want? You give off a cornered rat vibe atm

A town rat, yep. Read the thread pls. You have 14 posts. 14. And they are ALL one liners.

[FM-Tokuhei]

Naw.

........really???


WELL in a last attempt to maybe prove that I am town, I didn't know that =P

[FM-Tokuhei]

Good night folks

[Ganelon]

Due to the number of AFKs in this game, I am enabling mandatory Lynch.

Also a few changes that will NOT be added to the setup, but only to this specific game, due to the number of inactives:

-Jailor can execute after a lynch

-Kidnapper can execute after a lynch

[FM-Kazushige]

Due to the number of AFKs in this game, I am enabling mandatory Lynch.

Also a few changes that will NOT be added to the setup, but only to this specific game, due to the number of inactives:

-Jailor can execute after a lynch

-Kidnapper can execute after a lynch

@Magoroth can crier execute after a lynch?

[FM-Etsuya]

replacement here! could anyone give me a quick update on what is going on?

[FM-Naonobu]

replacement here! could anyone give me a quick update on what is going on?

We fucked

[FM-Etsuya]

We fucked

lovely.

[FM-Takeru]

We fucked

Funny, as a town, you should be happy with the current mess since it look like scums messed up.

[FM-Naonobu]

Funny, as a town, you should be happy with the current mess since it look like scums messed up.

I did claim being mafia earlier

[FM-Takeru]

lovely.

Ah you are here. So what do you think of the current situation?
Did you read everything?

[FM-Takeru]

I did claim being mafia earlier

Are you seriously claiming the master of the ceremonies?

[FM-Takeru]

My list of facts completed with the shitfest

Spoiler : FM-Taheiji :

142->Want to lynch Tokuhei
165->will provide a list of read later
167->list of Tokuhei post, I don't know what it's supposed to prove except that he posted a lot for nothing
172->a read? but difficult to read
181->scumread Masaharu, doesn't want to lynch D1 (but we have to lynch)
263->buddying me?
406->Sorai is scum lean
426->readlist and list of posts
427->vote Masaharu (fail)
477->cool with an Etsuya lynch
886->Kazu/robun both town, tokuhei scumShuzo/munemori scums bussing tokuhei
894->vote FM-tokuhei

Spoiler : FM-Robun :

27->Noticed that Tokuhei his town reading someone for one early post
30->Interesting.
34->scumpoint for Kazushige because of his 'town post', he has a point here I think.
67->agreed with Kazushige
73->vote fm-tokuhei
115->TPR hardclaim
147->vote fm-kazushige (his vote was on Tokuhei who was at L-3)
230->his point of view about D1
343->Sorai is scummy af
349->Tak strong town read, sor/masa scummy
360->vote fm-sorai
458->Not agree with me, he is kind of protecting Munenori, doesn't necessary mean anything
464->vote fm-etsuya
577->vote fm-etsuya
591->think Tokuhei is too much 'informed'
593->TOwn points for Tokuhei
599->push Sorai to get his giant post (town point)
670->Kaz/Mun scum team, town points for tokuhei
696->claim being jailed N1.
702->vote Kazushige
739->since if was jailed N1, he should not know there was a bmer
786->vote kazushige
803->robun and the 'jailor' have a message
826->standing with Tokuhei
836->vote unvote

Spoiler : FM-Masaharu :

59->vote FM-Tokuhei because he is judging aligment based on slot activity one hour into the day.
62->is he telling the scumteam to not buss?
170->vote FM-Taheiji, claim he will be in invisible mode and that Tokuhei is missguided
197->unvote
207->townread Tokuhei
269->vote FM-Takeru / scumread FM-Takeru
324->won't be there at EOD, convenient since people are scumreading him
365->want to push Takeru
411->unvote
417->won't be there at EOD again
482->vote FM-Shuzo
552->Etsuya train is baseless and prefer to lynch a 10-25 post count
554->Masaharu, code for a picture
573->vote FM-Tokuhei (blackmailed)
578->vote FM-Tokuhei (blackmailed)

Spoiler : FM-Munenori :

10->vote FM-Tokuhei
195->'we need a flip for informations', I don't like this post
204->vote FM-Shuzo because he voted him
278->vote FM-Takeru (shipping?)
400->vote FM-Naonobu
441->discredit Tokuhei list of reads
452->deflecting my questions
465->vote FM-Etsuya
534->finally defending himself
551->ask for a no lynch
579->whine about the no kill for mafia
654->agreed with the original Kazushige post about the tokuhei/masa shit
664->still agreed
730->troll but I need to keep that post in mind for later
762->vote FM-Tokuhei

Spoiler : FM-Sorai :

12->vote FM-Munenori
214->vote FM-Kazushige
215->vote FM-Taheiji (policy lynch)
251->explaination about his votes, kind of useless imo
253->'my vote will stay on Taheiji until there is a train on Kazushge'
391->won't vote Masaharu
556->intentionally lurking so he can post a 'giant post' d2.

Spoiler : FM-Tokuhei :

11->vote FM-Munenori
23->Pledge allegiance to Kazushige just because of one town post
24->vote FM-Masaharu
41->'Why is everone town here' => hum, I feel weird about that.
86->Noticed post 62 (Masaharu) vote FM-MASAHARU
99->I like dat, scumreading Masaharu
114->claim Samurai (shitizen)
138->Pushing Munemori
146->vote FM-Taheiji
184->looking for lurkers
206->vote FM-Masaharu (top scum read)
289->want to lynch Masaharu today
297->scumread Masaharu / townread Takeru
434->read list
445->scum point to Munemori
480->Preferl ynch : Masaharu/Munenori
584->vote FM-Masaharu : doesn't notice the blackmail
588->vote FM-Etsuya : and his 'explaination' about the blackmail
589->Munemori being scummy / Sorai too?
594->TOwn points for robun
629->Kazushige possible scum, robun 'confirmed town'?
636->vote FM-Kazushige
644->think Kazu is scum
679->damage control?
699->want to lynch Kazu
714->Shuzo is Kazushige scum buddy
721->doubt Kazushige is crier
724->100% sure than Kazu is scum
741->hard claim herald(crier)
761->ask to lynch KAzu
773->shuzu suspicious (keep this post in mind for his way of writing in case of ventriloquist)
879->not herald anymore
883->vote unvote
812->reverse psychology, want to kill himself

Spoiler : FM-Kazushige :

18/19->vote FM-tokuhei
21->push people to activly vote
49->vote FM-Toshikazu
57->Interesting.
60->still pushing people to vote
65->explaining why it's good to vote
136->Keep a track of who is voting Tokuhei
137->'Masa is now 100% confirmed town'
144->Scumread Tokuhei
151->Scumread Taheiji
157->Kind of scumread Robun? Townpost for me
191->scumread Toshikau
183->vote fm-masaharu
308->Masa/Robun scum team
361->is ok to lynch Etsuya
414->vote fm-etsuya
420->ask Shuzo to give opinions
423->ask Shuzo a read list
479->Talke about Takera/Munemori debate
484->Naonobu / Tsuneyo possible scum, Naonobu claimed master of ceremonies.
529->'I just realized Nao claimed a scum role lol' => wait what? look at 484 posts. He clearly said Nao claimed master of ceremonies.
He said that less than 1 hour before Eod, that could be an attempt to start a miss lynch on Naonobu. He knew before (post 484 at least) that Nao claimed a scum role but only slighly push it before EOD.
547->Said Etsuya is deemed for the lynch today and press him to talk
608->vote fm-tokuhei, probably think tokuhei is part of the scum and was trying top push on their agenda
611->Robun/Tokuhei : town vs mafia or both mafia
625->Explain the robun/tokuhei/masa situation with the blackmail
631->Robun/Tokuhei having an agenda
645->Wouldn't mind lynching both of the blackmailed/target
687->+1 for Shuzo
690->push tokuhei to reply
711->claimed crier
745->Tokuhei confirmed scum
789->explaination about why he is the crier
806->DISGUISER + BLACKMAILER
807->asking jailor to jail robun
856->don't want a turbolynch to let jailor jail
893->explaining of the current situation
898->vote unvote to let people read the whole situation and catch up
908->good post about why tokuhei want to pass the night

Spoiler : FM-Shuzo :

203->vote FM-Munenori because the image look evil
415->saying one of the afk is scum?
419->happy to kill Munenori
648->Tokuhei is truth behind the blackmailed (how the fuck does he know the truth?), so he is scum
677->Munemori/Tokuhei scum buddies and explaination of his thoughts (wtf? Munemori is backing Kazu)
700->let's lynch both
708->hum, push Tokuhei but the post itself is meaningless
727->back the crier
744->noticed the 'lol' from tsuneyo.
859->don't want a turbolynch

Spoiler : FM-Naonobu :

102->two useless post before then : vote FM-TOKUHEI
105->claim Mafia role : Master of Ceremonies
596->robun is scummy for wanting the crier to 'reveal'
853->vote FM-Tokuhei
942->still claim mafia

Spoiler : FM-Tsuneyo :

424->only read 4 pages and will be there D2
475->agree to policy lynch Etsuya
550->spawn again : so we are lynching the japanese dude.
737->'lol'. Keeping it for later
756->Noticed tokuhei erros about the crier
759->side with Kazu
765->can be a post where Tsuneyo is giving up of his buddy scum.
787->explaining why Tokuhei claim is bs
840->asking robun why he is still siding with Toku (if toku/robun/tsuneyo are all scum, he is asking robun to stop doing shit and sacrifice Toku)

FM-Toshikazu

FM-Etsuya
457->troll in japanese
476->troll in japanese

[FM-Takeru]

What a shitfest !

My feeling about whhat happenned :
-Kazushige is confirmed crier
-Tokuhei is probably scum, I wouldn't be surprised seeing him as a fucking dumb shitizen, but Kazushige made a good point about the disguiser, and everything in this way make sense.
-Tokuhei was the most involved in the debate with Kazushige
-Robun sided with Tokuhei but was less active/aggressive than Tokuhei
-Munemori sided with Kazushige but was watching the world burn (I will make a post about it)
-Tsuneyo is weird af (I will make a post about it)
-Robun/Tokuhei interactions after Masaharu claimed bmed was fishy af.
-We are still waiting for Sorai's big post (#556)
-Claiming herald/crier is actually the same thing, read the settings : Herald (Crier), all the debate about that was bullshit from Tokuhei.

If the blackmailer can ask whatever he want, even 'make X be lynched' which is nearly impossible and will lead to the blackmailed dude killed is possible...that's OP af.
If they really have a blackmailer, I do believe they asked Masa to say a specific post, because he said exactly the same words twice.
Let's imagine they asked him to 'vote someone', that mean Masa can say whatever he want, even he can only vote Tokuhei.
Let's imagine they asked him 'make X be lynched', that also mean he could have said whatever he want, not just the same two posts.

My problem with Masa right now is : even if he is town targeted by the blackmailer, why the fuck did he didn't stay connected to 'participated'?
You could have asked stuffs like 'post once for yes and twice for no', or something like that. Him being totaly afk is not helping at all.
We could have figured it out what kind of message he got from the blackmailer.

About the jailor, we DO NOT have necessarily a jailor, jailor, kidnapper AND Tormentor can jail.
We can make a plan with a possible jailor to jail Robun or Kaze (to protect him) but don't count too much on that.
The disguiser is highly possible with the current situation and it's only 1 chance out of 5 to get the tormentor.

By the way, according to the setup, they can't have a mafioso/vigilante, it's mandatory swap with a Disguiser if the setup is anonymous :
If the setup is anonymous, upon killing your target you will swap your role, last will and identity (account) with them.
So they have a kidnaper OR a disguiser, yeah disguiser is highly possible.

I think we should lynch Tokuhei.

[FM-Takeru]

First Tsuneyo

424->only read 4 pages and will be there D2
475->agree to policy lynch Etsuya
550->spawn again : so we are lynching the japanese dude.
737->'lol'. Keeping it for later
756->Noticed tokuhei errors about the crier
759->side with Kazu
765->can be a post where Tsuneyo is giving up of his buddy scum.
787->explaining why Tokuhei claim is bs
840->asking robun why he is still siding with Toku (if toku/robun/tsuneyo are all scum, he is asking robun to stop doing shit and sacrifice Toku)

We can notice he didn't really participate until recently.

Lol.

This particularly was alarming. Kazu and Tokuhei was arguying together, Kazu claimed crier and Tokuhei didn't CC him yet.
I had the feeling that he was really glad with the current situation/debate, with the 'plan' going really well.

But after Tokuhei CC the crier...Oh look, he is participating against Tokuhei.

No, your shit decision of CC'ing Herald after answering his Herald claim post HAS SEALED YOUR FATE. Plus, I feel like you are acting in a different way compared to today. Kazu probably made you go insane as you didn't get easy town confirmed as scum? Plus, I know it's you. There's no Ventriloquist here.

That post gave me the feeling he was giving up on Tokuhei after his dumb CC.

@FM-Robun Why are you still siding with Toku? You even showed that you actually were a little bit suspicious.

In this one, he asked Robun why he is still siding with Tokuhei ==> aka, stop helping him FFS, just let him die.

We can also notice he didn't vote since the beginning of the WHOLE game, seriously.
He didn't vote, didn't participate until Tokuhei made a huge mistake. and the posts after that sound like frustration.
It's beyond being lazy. It's anti-town.
All of that is based on Tokuhei being scum, if he flip neutral or town, that will change my perception of it.

[FM-Etsuya]

Ah you are here. So what do you think of the current situation?
Did you read everything?

I have read abit. From what i understand, we have 2 people claiming to be heralds which should be impossible?

Which means that one of them is a confirmed scum unless there is a ventriloquist doing something fishy and masahuro is faking beeing blackmailed.

It seems abit convenient that masahuro is voting on the person that counterclaims the herald which makes me think that tokuhei is beeing controlled by a vent and masahuro is a mafia faking to be blackmailed.

[FM-Etsuya]

-vote fm-masaharu

I just don't see why the mafia would blackmail someone into voting another mafia.

[FM-Kazushige]

replacement here! could anyone give me a quick update on what is going on?

@Magoroth Can you verify that this player was indeed replaced?