S-FM The Cold War III

[yzb25]

tbh, I still scumread Blink. Blink has been pushing MM the whole game. MM initially had an unnaturally hostile reaction to Blink's push, bringing up Mesk and shit, like it took him REALLY off guard. Blink pushed MM throughout today way before David claimed, it's an absurd degree of certainty in one's own read.

I think the reads into MM being godfather and flipping godfather are reaching - if mm is scum he can frankly flip anything - but if he does flip godfather it would make far more sense if it was predetermined he would be pushed the next day - if the scumteam had literally given up on their godfather, why wouldn't they hard bus him now?

Now Blink is arbitrarily agreeing to Mag's non-existent scumread on me. If Blink scumreads me that's fine, but agreeing with Mag's reasons to scumread me seems absurd, given Mag's reasoning is changing every page.

I'd say Mago/Blink/MM.

[yzb25]

tbh, I still scumread Blink. Blink has been pushing MM the whole game. MM initially had an unnaturally hostile reaction to Blink's push, bringing up Mesk and shit, like it took him REALLY off guard. Blink pushed MM throughout today way before David claimed, it's an absurd degree of certainty in one's own read.

I think the reads into MM being godfather and flipping godfather are reaching - if mm is scum he can frankly flip anything - but if he does flip godfather it would make far more sense if it was predetermined he would be pushed the next day - if the scumteam had literally given up on their godfather, why wouldn't they hard bus him now?

Now Blink is arbitrarily agreeing to Mag's non-existent scumread on me. If Blink scumreads me that's fine, but agreeing with Mag's reasons to scumread me seems absurd, given Mag's reasoning is changing every page.

I'd say Mago/Blink/MM.

I should have added onto the end of the third paragraph -- the point is Blink agreeing with Mago there appears very opportunistic.

[Ganelon]

but there are only 4 people not voting him, dunna, yzb, and unknown... and surely you don't scum read fielz

Yzb, Unknown. I am not scum reading anyone outside of this group (except for the David-MM cluster). I'm not contradicting myself.

[Ganelon]

tbh, I still scumread Blink. Blink has been pushing MM the whole game. MM initially had an unnaturally hostile reaction to Blink's push, bringing up Mesk and shit, like it took him REALLY off guard. Blink pushed MM throughout today way before David claimed, it's an absurd degree of certainty in one's own read.

I think the reads into MM being godfather and flipping godfather are reaching - if mm is scum he can frankly flip anything - but if he does flip godfather it would make far more sense if it was predetermined he would be pushed the next day - if the scumteam had literally given up on their godfather, why wouldn't they hard bus him now?

Now Blink is arbitrarily agreeing to Mag's non-existent scumread on me. If Blink scumreads me that's fine, but agreeing with Mag's reasons to scumread me seems absurd, given Mag's reasoning is changing every page.

I'd say Mago/Blink/MM.

Why 'still'? Who implied that you had to townread him?

[Ganelon]

tbh, I still scumread Blink. Blink has been pushing MM the whole game. MM initially had an unnaturally hostile reaction to Blink's push, bringing up Mesk and shit, like it took him REALLY off guard. Blink pushed MM throughout today way before David claimed, it's an absurd degree of certainty in one's own read.

I think the reads into MM being godfather and flipping godfather are reaching - if mm is scum he can frankly flip anything - but if he does flip godfather it would make far more sense if it was predetermined he would be pushed the next day - if the scumteam had literally given up on their godfather, why wouldn't they hard bus him now?

Now Blink is arbitrarily agreeing to Mag's non-existent scumread on me. If Blink scumreads me that's fine, but agreeing with Mag's reasons to scumread me seems absurd, given Mag's reasoning is changing every page.

I'd say Mago/Blink/MM.

I think blink said something along the lines of 'I don't trust you yzb' a bit before I started going at you - for the record, I have a LW saying pretty much the same thing about you.

[Ganelon]

@Fielzanks

What do you think about blinkskater? I am town reading him atm. He could still be scum tho.

[yzb25]

@yzb25 , why did you stop pursuing Dunna's information?

I was never pursuing all of it. I wanted some of it. In particular, after maybe convincing him that giving some info may be okay, I was going to ask him to read the first 10/15 pages and give thoughts (and if he had already read them I'd ask for his thoughts). But I never got anywhere near that goal. It was dumb of me not to just specifically say what I wanted, he probably would have done it then.

[Ganelon]

I was never pursuing all of it. I wanted some of it. In particular, after maybe convincing him that giving some info may be okay, I was going to ask him to read the first 10/15 pages and give thoughts (and if he had already read them I'd ask for his thoughts). But I never got anywhere near that goal. It was dumb of me not to just specifically say what I wanted, he probably would have done it then.

Fair enough.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Phone posting atm, I'll be back come in something like an hour, but FOR SURE BEFORE EOD, don't lynch me before I get back please not much time atm

[Ganelon]

Phone posting atm, I'll be back come in something like an hour, but FOR SURE BEFORE EOD, don't lynch me before I get back please not much time atm

Hurry the fuck up. If you're town you need to make a pretty convincing argument. I'm tired of flipping between you and David. Although I do think that it is you at this point.

[yzb25]

Why 'still'? Who implied that you had to townread him?

I get the vibe my read is held by few at this point.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

And myself obviously, or are you going to have your mafia buddies kill me tonight?

You're scum lol 100/100

[Ganelon]

If blink is scum, why is he pushing MM? He's been attacking MM the entire game. It's more likely that MM and blink are not aligned.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

ye so lenin doc me plz and i will try to bg blink

Don't go on that scum LENIN ON ME

[Ganelon]

Did blink just leave?

[TheGodDavid]

Don't go on that scum LENIN ON ME

why go on you when you're going to die TODAY (AND YOU ARE GOING TO FLIP SCUM)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

why didn't I just hammer him yesterday then?

To get rumox lynch yesterday & my lynch today.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

why go on you when you're going to die TODAY (AND YOU ARE GOING TO FLIP SCUM)

Lol arguing with you is pointless anyway, we both know you're scum...

[DJarJar]

I was never pursuing all of it. I wanted some of it. In particular, after maybe convincing him that giving some info may be okay, I was going to ask him to read the first 10/15 pages and give thoughts (and if he had already read them I'd ask for his thoughts). But I never got anywhere near that goal. It was dumb of me not to just specifically say what I wanted, he probably would have done it then.

That was a shitty connection from Mag IMO. It was clear when I was reading those posts that you tried really hard to get Dunna to talk and he was just giving you snarky, rude responses over and over again so you just gave up.

[TheGodDavid]

To get rumox lynch yesterday & my lynch today.

You were the one who said you "started the train" on rumox and I did not even vote him at the end of the day

[blinkskater]

Did blink just leave?

No i took a fucking shower m8

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Altho, while it's buyable for mafia to coach david into this strat last night, I doubt David would have come up with the plan himself, being new. So there is that.

Indeed. I however believe blink and david are same alignment, which is scum. Blink could make up that plan.

[DJarJar]

Yzb, Unknown. I am not scum reading anyone outside of this group (except for the David-MM cluster). I'm not contradicting myself.

Ah, it seems this time I am the dumbo. My bad

[blinkskater]

Indeed. I however believe blink and david are same alignment, which is scum. Blink could make up that plan.

I agree i could whip up a plan like that if i were scum

[Marshmallow Marshall]

There's no single part of MM's story that's impossible. It just requires the mafia to prepare David for a very specific circumstance - Random TPR dying + MM hunkering down on his claim. If they were considering such specific scenarios, they must have spent hours coaching David on every single tiny possibility, because David gave all the defenses and acted in all the ways you'd expect a lurking newbie BG to act.

And bear in mind that if David was scum he probably wouldn't spend so many hours in the nightchat going over all these strats XD.

That's exactly what I would do as scum lol. The only problem is that on my first game, I was a scum without a night chat, and 1 scummate got lynched on D1, the other was AFK and got replaced but instant shot by vigi on N1. Very very fun game...

[blinkskater]

But that would of course be banking on the fact that Naz would flip tpr and how could I possibly KNOW that?

[Fielzanks]

@Fielzanks

What do you think about blinkskater? I am town reading him atm. He could still be scum tho.

If MM flips town, he's scum with utter certainty. If MM flips scum and godfather, he's scummy. If MM flips scum, but JFK he's town.

[Ganelon]

That was a shitty connection from Mag IMO. It was clear when I was reading those posts that you tried really hard to get Dunna to talk and he was just giving you snarky, rude responses over and over again so you just gave up.

You don't even know what connection I made.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

None of my scum reads are voting MM. I like dis.

Why are they scum? Because they are not voting me. Why are they not voting me? Because they are scum. Why are they scum? Because they are not voting me. Etc etc etc.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

But that would of course be banking on the fact that Naz would flip tpr and how could I possibly KNOW that?

Didn't you say YOURSELF she was likely to be TPR somewhere?

[Fielzanks]

You were the one who said you "started the train" on rumox and I did not even vote him at the end of the day

lie detected lie detected dont lie at eod

[yzb25]

If blink is scum, why is he pushing MM? He's been attacking MM the entire game. It's more likely that MM and blink are not aligned.

I think it started out with some hard shade throwing, but when MM looked to be widely scumread, he decided MM would be more useful dead than alive.

A citi claim that has been "proven" for leading a lynch would basically last until the end of the game, without worrying about night kills.

[Ganelon]

Why are they scum? Because they are not voting me. Why are they not voting me? Because they are scum. Why are they scum? Because they are not voting me. Etc etc etc.

Nothing to do with them voting you or not. Only Unknown is up there for that purpose. If you're town, so is Unknown, most likely.

[TheGodDavid]

lie detected lie detected dont lie at eod

I know you started the train, but don't you remember MM saying something similar to him starting the train?

[Dunna]

I was never pursuing all of it. I wanted some of it. In particular, after maybe convincing him that giving some info may be okay, I was going to ask him to read the first 10/15 pages and give thoughts (and if he had already read them I'd ask for his thoughts). But I never got anywhere near that goal. It was dumb of me not to just specifically say what I wanted, he probably would have done it then.

So you are belittling me. So nice of you, next time I won't be doing any charts.

[Ganelon]

But that would of course be banking on the fact that Naz would flip tpr and how could I possibly KNOW that?

Ya I think he's right lol, you did say that.

[Ganelon]

So you are belittling me. So nice of you, next time I won't be doing any charts.

He is not belittling you, he is fucking scum (IMO)

[Dunna]

Somebody will spend 2 hours or 1 hours on it, enjoy it later on ty.

[DJarJar]

You don't even know what connection I made.

You were trying to make a point that yzb didn't push Dunna, but he literally pushed Dunna more than any other person here (I mean there were a good 10 or so posts in a row each time saying something like "well dunna maybe you don't want to give all your reads away but you could give some...." etc etc and then getting shot down

[Fielzanks]

I know you started the train, but don't you remember MM saying something similar to him starting the train?

Didn't you vote rumox at eod1?

[Dunna]

I need to by EVER DYNAMIC ANYWAY

[DJarJar]

But that would of course be banking on the fact that Naz would flip tpr and how could I possibly KNOW that?

How so? If she flips cit then David just doesn't do the counterclaim plan... it's not hard to imagine a contingency being in place

[Ganelon]

You were trying to make a point that yzb didn't push Dunna, but he literally pushed Dunna more than any other person here (I mean there were a good 10 or so posts in a row each time saying something like "well dunna maybe you don't want to give all your reads away but you could give some...." etc etc and then getting shot down

No

[TheGodDavid]

Didn't you vote rumox at eod1?

No I voted Magoroth

[Ganelon]

No I voted Magoroth

Yeah he did, I distinctly remember that.

[Dunna]

*be

[blinkskater]

Didn't you say YOURSELF she was likely to be TPR somewhere?

After she flipped I said that I had suspected her of being a tpr

[Fielzanks]

No I voted Magoroth

Why didn't you vote rumox

[Fielzanks]

MM doesn't feel scum. His role feels scum, but he doesn't.

[blinkskater]

How so? If she flips cit then David just doesn't do the counterclaim plan... it's not hard to imagine a contingency being in place

If I were scum My plans would be so foolproof I wouldn't need contingencies