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    S-FM Condorcet Lynching

    S-FM Condorcet Lynch Cop9er

    Goon
    Goon

    Sheriff
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citizen


    Spoiler : Town Roles :


    Citizen


    Sheriff





    Spoiler : Mafia Roles :


    Mafioso





    Order of Operations

    2) Sheriff investigations
    3) Mafia Kill

    Win Conditions
    Town: Eliminate the Mafia.
    Mafia: Eliminate the Town such that living Mafia is at least equal to the living Town members.

    Mechanics
    -Condorcet Lynch. Detailed below
    -If a majority vote to 'Lock in Votes' nighttime will come sooner. (This is to potentially help streamline the game).
    -Days end after 48 hours. Nights are 24 hours + the remaining end day time, if ended shorter
    -Game starts on Day 1
    -Last Wills are not Allowed.
    -Death Notes are not Allowed.
    -Mafia have a factional night chat.
    -Sheriff will know the identity of 1 random town member before Day 1 starts.
    -Mafia must kill, or the kill will be randomed.
    -No Suicide.
    -Citizens do not win ties

    Condorcet Lynch
    -Everyone must submit a vote by the end of the day.
    -To submit your vote for the days lynch:
    --Rank the people you want lynched from 'scummiest' to 'towniest'.
    --The names need to be on a new line, or comma separated
    --Wrap it in a spoiler with the name being 'cvote' to not clog up the game thread.
    --Post in Thread
    -Every 6-8 hours, I will recap the scumlists of everyone, as well as who would be lynched if day ended at that point.
    -Although you don't need to know how the calculation works to play, an explanation is listed here for transparency : https://plus.maths.org/content/which-voting-system-best
    -To avoid being lynched, stay off of the high part of other player's scum lists.
    -To lynch someone you deem scummy, put them high on your scum list.
    -To avoid lynching someone you deem towny, don't include them, or better yet, put them at the bottom of your list.

    Example
    Spoiler : cvote :

    Distorted
    Dutes
    Lenneth
    Ratatoskr
    Blinkskater
    Efekannn02
    naz
    rumox
    Unknown1234
    Marshmallow Marshall


    Rules of Conduct
    1. Forum Mafia Rules
    2. Inactive players will be replaced by another player, if necessary, they will be modkilled.
    3. To ask the Host a question, you must highlight the question in green, and mention the host @Voss . You may also pm me on Discord.
    4. Minimum of 5 posts per game day.
    5. English shall be the only language used.
    6. Do not post links to other websites.
    7. Pictures are allowed in moderation.
    8. Videos are not allowed.
    9. Directly quoting any feedback or PM by me is forbidden.
    10. Have Fun.

    Credits to @SuperJack for the formatting and content of this post.
    Last edited by Voss; May 21st, 2018 at 02:44 PM.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: Condorcet Lynching

    Very interesting idea, I'd sign up for a test run. I feel like Town would be advantaged by this, as it would offer more information than just a regular Lynch.

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    Re: Condorcet Lynching

    Not quite. Here's the example in the link

    Votes Preferences
    4 ABC
    6 BAC
    6 CAB
    2 CBA
    1 ACB
    1 BCA

    By analysing all the profiles, pitting each candidate against the other two, the clerk found that the electorate of Chuddlehampton preferred A to B (11 votes have preference AB and only 9 have preference BA), A to C (again by 11 votes to 9), and B to C (again 11 to 9).

    As the electorate prefers A to both B and C, A is deemed the winner.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Re: Condorcet Lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    How would this lynch decision is made?
    give me an example with each person giving a list of who they think is most suspicious to least, and i'll walk you through the end.
    Last edited by Voss; April 30th, 2018 at 09:05 AM.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Re: Condorcet Lynching

    "If everyone's top1 vote didn't reach 51% then the one with LEAST votes gets removed from the vote"

    I think you've described the alternative vote, which is the second example. The condorcet vote is the one below that.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Re: Condorcet Lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    give me an example with each person giving a list of who they think is most suspicious to least, and i'll walk you through the end.
    I tried making something as hard as I could:


    Player A Player B Player C Player D Player E Player F Player G
    VOTES VOTES VOTES VOTES VOTES VOTES VOTES
    B A B A F C F
    F F A B B E A
    G E D C G D E
    E G G E C A C
    C D E F A G B
    D C F G D B D

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    Re: Condorcet Lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    I tried making something as hard as I could:


    Player A Player B Player C Player D Player E Player F Player G
    VOTES VOTES VOTES VOTES VOTES VOTES VOTES
    B A B A F C F
    F F A B B E A
    G E D C G D E
    E G G E C A C
    C D E F A G B
    D C F G D B D
    @Voss , i did the preference counting:
    A>B 3 B>A 2
    A>C 3 C>A 2
    A>D 4 D>A 1
    A>E 4 E>A 1
    A>F 3 F>A 2
    A>G 4 G>A 1
    B>C 3 C>B 2
    B>D 4 D>B 1
    B>E 3 E>B 2
    B>F 3 F>B 2
    B>G 4 G>B 1
    C>D 4 D>C 1
    C>E 2 E>C 3
    C>F 1 F>C 4
    C>G 2 G>C 3
    D>E 1 E>D 4
    D>F 1 F>D 4
    D>G 2 G>D 3
    E>F 2 F>E 3
    E>G 3 G>E 2
    F>G 4 G>F 1
    A> 24
    B> 19
    C> 12
    D> 7
    E> 15
    F> 19
    G> 11
    How is the lynch target decided now?
    It is A, right?



    Also, I deleted my previous... questions. I felt like they had nothing to do in this thread since I asked question without even reading the idea first. I think you should delete your responses too, to keep this thread clean.
    Last edited by OzyWho; April 30th, 2018 at 06:02 AM.

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    Re: Condorcet Lynching

    You're right that A is the lynch target, but I'm not sure if the tallies are just a coincidence of the right answer.

    A would be the most suspicious person because the majority want to lynch A over anyone else.
    B would be the next most suspicious because, after A is removed, everyone wants to lynch B over everyone else.
    F, E, G, C, D follow.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Re: Condorcet Lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    You're right that A is the lynch target, but I'm not sure if the tallies are just a coincidence of the right answer.
    Sorry, I am not very familiar with that word. What do you mean by "tallies"?


    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    A would be the most suspicious person because the majority want to lynch A over anyone else.
    B would be the next most suspicious because, after A is removed, everyone wants to lynch B over everyone else.
    F, E, G, C, D follow.
    What makes B more suspicious (or higher priority as I would say) than F?


    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    cool color coding.
    Thx. It was color fader + text replacement + bbcode table generator + the fact that I replaced upper case letters while color fader made color codes in lower cases. Took few minutes but looks like a lot of work.
    Gotta say though, that text replacement - it really is useful again and again and again. I like it.

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    Re: Condorcet Lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Sorry, I am not very familiar with that word. What do you mean by "tallies"?



    What makes B more suspicious (or higher priority as I would say) than F?
    You've added up the totals in a table. That's what I mean by tallies.

    B is more suspicious than F because people would rather lynch B than F, 3 to 2.

    B is the second most suspicious because everyone would rather lynch B than C, D, E, F, and G. Just not A. people would rather lynch A over B.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Re: Condorcet Lynching

    You're question was, why is B a higher priority than F?

    3 people want to lynch B, 2 people want to lynch F. If the vote/election was between B and F, you know how everyone would vote. More people want to see B dead over F.
    Does that make sense?

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Re: Condorcet Lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    You're question was, why is B a higher priority than F?

    3 people want to lynch B, 2 people want to lynch F. If the vote/election was between B and F, you know how everyone would vote. More people want to see B dead over F.
    Does that make sense?
    Ohh, I get it now. It's how ties are decided I guess. Since both had a "score" of 19 then you look at between them both:
    B>F 3
    F>B 2

    Or that 19 was irrelevant?

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    Re: Condorcet Lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Ohh, I get it now. It's how ties are decided I guess. Since both had a "score" of 19 then you look at between them both:
    B>F 3
    F>B 2

    Or that 19 was irrelevant?
    the 19 probably correlates, but doesn't directly affect the decision.

    and okay SJ, I'll do it when I get some more time on my plate.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Re: Condorcet Lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Sorry, I am not very familiar with that word. What do you mean by "tallies"?



    What makes B more suspicious (or higher priority as I would say) than F?



    Thx. It was color fader + text replacement + bbcode table generator + the fact that I replaced upper case letters while color fader made color codes in lower cases. Took few minutes but looks like a lot of work.
    Gotta say though, that text replacement - it really is useful again and again and again. I like it.
    That's what color fader i use!
    BBCode tables i create by myself.
    [SIGPIC]Why you hold cursor on my signature picture?[/SIGPIC] A very annoying SC2Mafia player.

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    Re: S-FM Condorcet Lynching

    Lol I love the concept but good luck getting enough players that will understand how to vote....
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Re: S-FM Condorcet Lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    I'm on phone so I can't make a quick example. I wanted to ask, how would tiebreak work in this scenario:
    8 players
    4 players top vote is A, 4 players top vote is B.
    3 players second top vote is A, 3 players second top vote is B, +whatever A and B voted themselves as their second top.
    A smaller one:
    Player A Player B Player C Player D
    VOTES VOTES VOTES VOTES
    B A B A
    C D A B
    D C D C


    This is a tie and no Lynch, right?

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    Re: S-FM Condorcet Lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Lol I love the concept but good luck getting enough players that will understand how to vote....
    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    What's hard PMing own scumread with all players included in order from most scummy to most townie?
    That's all the players have to do. Give an honest list of who they want lynched most, to who they want lynched least. I'll handle the "hard" part.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Re: S-FM Condorcet Lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Lol I love the concept but good luck getting enough players that will understand how to vote....
    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    A smaller one:
    Player A Player B Player C Player D
    VOTES VOTES VOTES VOTES
    B A B A
    C D A B
    D C D C


    This is a tie and no Lynch, right?
    yes exactly. And even if you looked just at the first preferences, it's a tie. This scenario is unlikely to happen, (although it's more likely to happen when there are even number of players left), and I'll probably run a setup guaranteeing that there are odd number of players during the day.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Re: S-FM Condorcet Lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    yes exactly. And even if you looked just at the first preferences, it's a tie. This scenario is unlikely to happen, (although it's more likely to happen when there are even number of players left), and I'll probably run a setup guaranteeing that there are odd number of players during the day.
    Oh, so the Condorcet paradox is simply going to end in a no lynch situation?
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Re: S-FM Condorcet Lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Lol I love the concept but good luck getting enough players that will understand how to vote....
    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    I'm on phone so I can't make a quick example. I wanted to ask, how would tiebreak work in this scenario:
    8 players
    4 players top vote is A, 4 players top vote is B.
    3 players second top vote is A, 3 players second top vote is B, +whatever A and B voted themselves as their second top.
    This example's too generic, but I think the other one I commented on makes sense. Thanks for taking the time to ask questions. It's really flushing out how I'm going to explain it.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Re: S-FM Condorcet Lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Oh, so the Condorcet paradox is simply going to end in a no lynch situation?
    I think in the game I'm going to run, it won't be possible to have no clear winner. But yeah, they'll end in a no lynch.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Re: S-FM Condorcet Lynching

    This timing is dirty.






    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Goon
    Goon

    Sheriff
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citizen



    Mechanics
    -Sheriff will know the identity of 1 random town member before Day 1 starts.
    When I read the role list, I was like: "Why is there a sheriff? Isn't that imbalanced?".
    But then I read that additional game Mechanic.
    I am sorry for this generic(is that the right word?) question, I feel like I should ask more specific questions, if I have any.
    But:

    Is this balanced?
    Last edited by OzyWho; May 20th, 2018 at 04:43 PM.

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    Re: S-FM Condorcet Lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Condorcet Lynch
    -Although you don't need to know how the calculation works to play
    I do not think that future hosts can host this if they wanted to. At least I know I wouldn't feel comfortable.






    What happens if a player doesn't add everyone in his list and the Day has ended? Would the game stop until he does?
    Last edited by OzyWho; May 20th, 2018 at 04:44 PM.

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    Re: S-FM Condorcet Lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    This timing is dirty.







    When I read the role list, I was like: "Why is there a sheriff? Isn't that imbalanced?".
    But then I read that additional game Mechanic.
    I am sorry for this generic(is that the right word?) question, I feel like I should ask more specific questions, if I have any.
    But:

    Is this balanced?
    yes. I've played this setup very many times on another forum. It's called cop 9. Why don't you think it's balanced?

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    I do not think that future hosts can host this if they wanted to. At least I know I wouldn't feel comfortable.

    If you're going to quote, quote the entire line. Are you uncomfortable in the fact that I'm not going in detail about how the calculation works? Or just the fact that I said "you don't need to know."

    In any case, I'm going to edit in just what players should keep in mind. Which is, stay off the top of people's scum lists, or you're likely to get lynched.




    What happens if a player doesn't add everyone in his list and the Day has ended? Would the game stop until he does?
    It's an invalid vote if one doesn't include everyone. If the player in question doesn't submit any votes on a given day, I'll probably try to replace them out for being difficult. But I'm naive enough as a host to believe that I won't need to do this.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Re: S-FM Condorcet Lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    yes. I've played this setup very many times on another forum. It's called cop 9. Why don't you think it's balanced?
    I kinda changed my mind. :P
    It's just that I remembered playing basic Citizens vs Goons setups, and with more scum favored in terms of role ratio. So seeing anything additional gave me impression of imbalance.
    However - I think in those setups, the mafia didn't have Factional night kill? So that balances it out, I guess.



    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    If you're going to quote, quote the entire line. Are you uncomfortable in the fact that I'm not going in detail about how the calculation works? Or just the fact that I said "you don't need to know."
    I quoted only the relevant part of my concern. My concern being: I fear that other people would have difficulty hosting this setup.
    I am not trying to be a dick here and I am not asking you to copy paste how calculations work. I think I was indirectly asking:

    Could you add "Hosting Instructions"? Or you think they would be redundant/unnecessary?

    So I guess the answer the your question is: the "you don't need to know." part.



    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    It's an invalid vote if one doesn't include everyone. If the player in question doesn't submit any votes on a given day, I'll probably try to replace them out for being difficult. But I'm naive enough as a host to believe that I won't need to do this.
    Ohh. I see.
    I think I would make a smaller setup, so the Host can cherry pick the most active players from the signups, just so less likely to encounter complications. But that's just me.
    Last edited by OzyWho; May 20th, 2018 at 05:57 PM.

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    Re: S-FM Condorcet Lynching

    I came off a little strong in my last post. I realize you're not actually trying to attack me, and have been helping me refine the experiment i want to host. so I really do appreciate that!


    I'd be willing to post hosting instructions after the game. I kinda want to see how it works out first though, and hope the players can bare with me while I fine tune things.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Re: S-FM Condorcet Lynching

    @SuperJack
    I know you don't have almost any free time, but I was just thinking that if you approved this setup then @Voss could open his game and I could cancel mine. (At this rate, I predict 20 days before I would have enough signups for mine)
    I do think that this smaller setup could get full signups faster than the 13 player one. And this one also seems more fun!

    ( Either way. May 2018 is without a Forum Mafia game except the Assasin one, which lasted ~2 days. )
    Last edited by OzyWho; May 20th, 2018 at 08:14 PM.

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    Re: S-FM Condorcet Lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    This timing is dirty.







    When I read the role list, I was like: "Why is there a sheriff? Isn't that imbalanced?".
    But then I read that additional game Mechanic.
    I am sorry for this generic(is that the right word?) question, I feel like I should ask more specific questions, if I have any.
    But:

    Is this balanced?
    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    How to vote to 'Lock in Votes'?
    Does anyone know if I can manually set a thread's minimum vote lynch to something other than how many players are playing?

    Ideally, how I want this to work, is everyone does a 'skip day', thread will lock, and I'll figure out who was lynched.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Re: S-FM Condorcet Lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Does anyone know if I can manually set a thread's minimum vote lynch to something other than how many players are playing?

    Ideally, how I want this to work, is everyone does a 'skip day', thread will lock, and I'll figure out who was lynched.
    Ohh, so vote to lock in Votes' by just the usual
    -vote skip

    Ok ok

    I think it is possible to change required vote count with [L] tag:
    https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/32510-RLVG-s-Guide-to-Hosting
    (6. Handling game thread)

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    Re: S-FM Condorcet Lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Condorcet Lynch
    -To lynch someone you deem scummy, put them high on your scum list.
    -To avoid lynching someone you deem towny, don't include them, or better yet, put them at the bottom of your list.
    Is it ok if everyone's lists consist of 1-3 players only on Day1?






    A B C
    VOTES VOTES VOTES
    B C A
    C A B

    In this scenario - it's RNG, right?
    (I think this is a likely scenario to happen if it get's to Day4.)




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    Re: S-FM Condorcet Lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    This timing is dirty.







    When I read the role list, I was like: "Why is there a sheriff? Isn't that imbalanced?".
    But then I read that additional game Mechanic.
    I am sorry for this generic(is that the right word?) question, I feel like I should ask more specific questions, if I have any.
    But:

    Is this balanced?
    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Is it ok if everyone's lists consist of 1-3 players only on Day1?






    A B C
    VOTES VOTES VOTES
    B C A
    C A B

    In this scenario - it's RNG, right?
    (I think this is a likely scenario to happen if it get's to Day4.)



    in this d4 scenario, if you were doing normal majority lynch, it'd still be undeterminate. So if players want to RNG the lynch, because it's mandatory, I can't help that. And skip day isn't the path to victory for town.

    If this sounds harsh, I'm actually laughing while i'm typing it.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Re: S-FM Condorcet Lynching

    oh, missed the other question.

    You could just do 1-3 players, but if you do all 9, you kind of protect your town reads from the lynch.

    I've finished a tool that'll help visualize the vote standing, as well as an easy way to help with the more complicated vote text.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Re: S-FM Condorcet Lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    This timing is dirty.







    When I read the role list, I was like: "Why is there a sheriff? Isn't that imbalanced?".
    But then I read that additional game Mechanic.
    I am sorry for this generic(is that the right word?) question, I feel like I should ask more specific questions, if I have any.
    But:

    Is this balanced?
    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Does people putting or not putting their own name in their own "cvote" list influence anything? (vote outcome wise)
    99% sure the answer is no. Submitting 8/9 votes and not including yourself is the same as including 9/9 votes and putting yourself at the bottom. But to be safe, you should always put yourself at the bottom since that behavior is defined.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  50. ISO #50
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Condorcet Lynching

    I imagine it works something like this:

    Elector 1: A, B, C, D

    Elector 2: A, B, D, C

    Elector 3: C, D, A, B

    Elector 4: B, D, A, C

    I think use of a table to indicate voting preferences illustrates the algorithm better:

    Elector ID Elector A Elector B Elector C Elector D
    Elector A 0 3 3 2
    Elector B 1 0 3 3
    Elector C 1 1 0 2
    Elector D 2 1 2 0

    This would likely result in A winning the election, correct? A is preferred to B, C by the majority, and is tied with D, who whoever is also tied with C and but viewed negatively by comparison to B.
    So something like
    A>B>D>C?

    Edit: Ah. I think I understand this now. Gimme a second.
    Last edited by ; November 16th, 2018 at 09:18 AM.

 

 

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