S-FM 245 Which Witch is Which? - GYRLANDER -

[Soviet_Love]

If there is a Mason leader and a Mason, then I would hope that they would have outted themselves day 1. No reason to wait.

Honestly, if there is a Crier, I would hope that the crier would out themselves now as well. They could confirm it during the night phase.

Since thus far there has not been someone who has asserted either of these roles, I am operating under the assumption that we do not have any town government (or that we have only a Mason Leader who is hoping to convert citizens). If there is a town gov, either the pair that I mentioned or a crier, reveal yourself and don't be a ratard like the crier last game who waited until n3 to reveal.

[Soviet_Love]

Can anyone think of reasons why a town gov wouldn't reveal?

We can start figuring out what town powers we have. Also, if we discuss optimal game play for what our town powers are, then hopefully if one of the new players is a town power, they won't do something off the wall and insane (like a vigilante trying to kill someone night 1) and will act in a predictable manner that the town generally endorses. Win together and lose together.

[OzyWho]

We should also discuss what to do if there are 2 killing roles.

In the final few hours, you want to start a theory discussion about a scenario that has only 9% chance to occur and which has several different combinations and outcomes possible? I don't even..

Can we have some ideas on possible combinations of town powers? Each of the following has a 1/10 chance:

(1) Sheriff
(2) Vigilante
(3) Detective
(4) Mason Leader
(4b) Mason
(5) Escort
(6) Doctor
(7) Jailor
( Bodyguard
(9) Architect
(10) Crier

Of these, 2 are invest roles (sheriff, detective).
Of these, 2 are killing roles (vigilante, jailor).
Of these, 3 are protective roles (doctor, escort, bodyguard)
Of these, 2 are government-type roles (crier, Mason Leader/Mason)
Of these, 1 are unique roles (Architect).

What combinations of these are possible? We can discuss optimal town strategy in each. We seem to be assuming that we will have an invest role, but I would like to point that it is much more likely than not that there are no invest town power roles in this set-up.

Are you serious? Like actually serious serious? I wish you posted that question 40 hours ago. But I can't take it serious at this moment, especially since you are the math guy here who did calculations earlier and now you ask others to, so you are obviously trolling or something along those lines.

For the record. If it actually does turn out that there are 0 killing roles for the evils - Soviet_Love will be amongst my top suspects.
Why? Because in such a scenario - only way for evils to win would be by gaining town trust as much as possible and lynching real townies.

I'm not saying I think Soviet_Love is evil because he is so heavily pro-town. What I'm saying is - I will think he is evil if it turns out there are 0 evil killers because he is so heavily pro-town.

[OzyWho]

On a serious note - about all role combination possibilities: I think it's practical to assume both TPRs will be able to figure what they should do during the night. We cant serious discuss like what? 100+ combinations? idk. Thats just not practical.

[Soviet_Love]

Ok, then more managable chunks:

Is there any reason the town govs would not reveal themselves before day 1 ends?

[Soviet_Love]

Also the logic: (1) acting very pro-town -> (2) therefore, scum.

Every game I play I feel like I'm the only one who contributes meaningfully lol. Other than rumox last game.

[Distorted]

You ever heard the phrase if you want something done right, do it yourself?

I keep trying to give the town leads to discuss and talk about that can help everyone get on the same page. But within like 6 posts after I type, people are back to trying to pressure vote each other and reading into what the word "we" means. Ugh it's ridiculous. Just, for a second, humor me and pretend you are interested in figuring out probabilities of our set-up and what town's gameplay should be. I agree with Ozy in that it is very very difficult to get reads.

I liked Distorted's comment about how we can use pressure votes as like a day-invest. But idk about you, I haven't learned anything from our pressure votes thus far. And I'm scared that the witches will hop on and be able to say some bullshit about why they shouldn't be lynched the following round (or a judge call court!). But regardless - we can both consider the possible witch set-ups, as well as the possible town power set ups, and how we should change our play depending on this.

Really? then how did you come up with this?

Right now, my most town reads are MM and Distorted, and my most scummy reads are Magoloth and Noz_Bugs. And I'm neutral on Ozy and blink. But like it's only based on some text, nothing hard and fast, just about who seems to be helpful (which can easily be manufactured).

If you want to raise as a town-read for me, please discuss different combinations of witch set-ups (or maybe our own possible town power setups - we haven't discussed that yet and it is worth considering what our strategy should be given possible TPR roles). Discussion along this line is unobjectionable and will bring everyone up to speed.

If you have not taken anything from peoples reactions so far with the voting u need to stop focusing on the statistics for a second -

Here, ill humor you. You want to talk about all the possible combinations? There are about 50 different combinations of town.

Sheriff - sheriff
vigil - vigil
for all 10 roles: that is 10

sheriff vigil
sheriff ect for all remaining roles that is 9

Vigil remianing 8 roles

So: 10+9+8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1= 56 different combinations. Where would you like to start? lol

If we have 2 docs lets up they chain up or something and there istn a misdirection witch or arson who finds out about it or douses them
if there is a sheriff and doc lets hope the sheriff finds a witch and the doc is covering him.
if there is ANY protectives, lets hope they are on the right target that is attacked, or on a TPR
if there is a killing lets hope they dont start random killing
if there is 2 invests, hopefully the rolecall wont get them both killed tomorrow if it is needed

discussing what happens with the different combinations when there is literally no info is just analzying something where at the end of this 6 hour period, then the 24 hour night - 95% of waht was discussed will now become irrelevant due to finding out and eliminating almost all of the possibitlities discussed today, thus making talking about all the different combinations 95% wasteful.

[Soviet_Love]

I didn't see how much time was left. And like yeah we're going to be able to figure out what is going on based on how many people die in the night. Then we'll narrow down what set-up we're in. But lets at least pressure the town govs. It would help a lot. Unless there's 0 killing roles, I don't think this game will last very long. We need to discuss things NOW - wheter we have 48 hours left or whether we have 30 minutes left.

[Soviet_Love]

Yeah I guess we can't figure out everything there's just too much to dissect. But like if there's town govs?

Also, can we agree - if there are town invests, they should probably reveal what they discovered tomorrow. Even if sheriff finds out someone is town - they should still reveal. I think that town invests are typically too scared to reveal that they are a town invest, and in doing so we waste a live invest who can lead the town.

[Soviet_Love]

(I'm also trying to post a lot because I was getting flack earlier for not posting.) I have a sinking feeling I'll be dead by day 2 lol. But whatever, trying to post all my thoughts about how I would want town powers to act before I die.

[Soviet_Love]

Really? then how did you come up with this?



If you have not taken anything from peoples reactions so far with the voting u need to stop focusing on the statistics for a second -

Here, ill humor you. You want to talk about all the possible combinations? There are about 50 different combinations of town.

Sheriff - sheriff
vigil - vigil
for all 10 roles: that is 10

sheriff vigil
sheriff ect for all remaining roles that is 9

Vigil remianing 8 roles

So: 10+9+8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1= 56 different combinations. Where would you like to start? lol

If we have 2 docs lets up they chain up or something and there istn a misdirection witch or arson who finds out about it or douses them
if there is a sheriff and doc lets hope the sheriff finds a witch and the doc is covering him.
if there is ANY protectives, lets hope they are on the right target that is attacked, or on a TPR
if there is a killing lets hope they dont start random killing
if there is 2 invests, hopefully the rolecall wont get them both killed tomorrow if it is needed

discussing what happens with the different combinations when there is literally no info is just analzying something where at the end of this 6 hour period, then the 24 hour night - 95% of waht was discussed will now become irrelevant due to finding out and eliminating almost all of the possibitlities discussed today, thus making talking about all the different combinations 95% wasteful.

I guess my good reads on you and MM are because you both seem to be making sense when you talk, and my scummy reads on Noz and Magoloth are because I haven't found them to be very helpful. But it's definitely subject to change - I thought blink was hella helpful last game and he was able to insert himself as a consistent town read based on these day 1 talks and was generally helpful in giving his reads.

[Distorted]

What I have learned so far in a brief -

-Magoroth seemed to paint blink as a scum, Ozy passively did as well just kinda followed Magoroths lead on that. some susp activity revolved around that.

-MM is being pretty passive, helping people out but not really pressuring like i usually see him do.

-Blink claimed cit at beginning and spiked a whole lot of conversation revolved around role calling leading to people discussing strategies. He has rolecalled like that so far every game he was town, and it was not once bullshit yet.

-every single person here has now pushed at Noz and agreed he is to be lynched if a judge is called...yet not 1 person stepped in to suggest an alterantive or even TRIED to defend him in the least; almost seems like the evils are going after the easy scapegoat (but i do agree with we need to hear more from him) but he is now set up for a lynch if there is a Judge, meaning if he is town we just lost.

-Soviet is townread by most of the people and been able to avoid being under any pressure so far - thus giving almost a WIFOM attitude coming into play.

Possible alignments
-(I do not see magoroth and blink as team in this game)
-(I can see magoroth and Ozy as a team)

Then I can also see anyone else being a team =P not much info to work with but that is kind of what im working with right now. I have a few more things but not revealing until relevant. DOC ON ME =P

[Distorted]

What I have learned so far in a brief -

-Magoroth seemed to paint blink as a scum, Ozy passively did as well just kinda followed Magoroths lead on that. some susp activity revolved around that.

-MM is being pretty passive, helping people out but not really pressuring like i usually see him do.

-Blink claimed cit at beginning and spiked a whole lot of conversation revolved around role calling leading to people discussing strategies. He has rolecalled like that so far every game he was town, and it was not once bullshit yet.

-every single person here has now pushed at Noz and agreed he is to be lynched if a judge is called...yet not 1 person stepped in to suggest an alterantive or even TRIED to defend him in the least; almost seems like the evils are going after the easy scapegoat (but i do agree with we need to hear more from him) but he is now set up for a lynch if there is a Judge, meaning if he is town we just lost.

-Soviet is townread by most of the people and been able to avoid being under any pressure so far - thus giving almost a WIFOM attitude coming into play.

Possible alignments
-(I do not see magoroth and blink as team in this game)
-(I can see magoroth and Ozy as a team)

Then I can also see anyone else being a team =P not much info to work with but that is kind of what im working with right now. I have a few more things but not revealing until relevant. DOC ON ME =P

oops....last game when he was doc it was bullshit. ignore that part.

[Soviet_Love]

What I have learned so far in a brief -

-Magoroth seemed to paint blink as a scum, Ozy passively did as well just kinda followed Magoroths lead on that. some susp activity revolved around that.

-MM is being pretty passive, helping people out but not really pressuring like i usually see him do.

-Blink claimed cit at beginning and spiked a whole lot of conversation revolved around role calling leading to people discussing strategies. He has rolecalled like that so far every game he was town, and it was not once bullshit yet.

-every single person here has now pushed at Noz and agreed he is to be lynched if a judge is called...yet not 1 person stepped in to suggest an alterantive or even TRIED to defend him in the least; almost seems like the evils are going after the easy scapegoat (but i do agree with we need to hear more from him) but he is now set up for a lynch if there is a Judge, meaning if he is town we just lost.

-Soviet is townread by most of the people and been able to avoid being under any pressure so far - thus giving almost a WIFOM attitude coming into play.

Possible alignments
-(I do not see magoroth and blink as team in this game)
-(I can see magoroth and Ozy as a team)

Then I can also see anyone else being a team =P not much info to work with but that is kind of what im working with right now. I have a few more things but not revealing until relevant. DOC ON ME =P

Except when he role-called doc and became arson BUT THAT BEING SAID I generally agree with your reads on people's convos and agree with you the day discussion has been productive in beginning to determine how people relate to each other if there is buddying.

[Soviet_Love]

oops....last game when he was doc it was bullshit. ignore that part.

Oh I replied before I saw your correction. Lol yeah, the wounds are still fresh

[Soviet_Love]

ALSO, EVERYONE MAKE LAST WILLS OF YOUR READS AND THOUGHTS AND IF YOU'RE A TOWN POWER, WHO YOU ARE VISITING. IF YOU DIE WITH NO LAST WILL IT IS REALLY UNHELPFUL.

[OzyWho]

What I have learned so far in a brief -

-Magoroth seemed to paint blink as a scum, Ozy passively did as well just kinda followed Magoroths lead on that. some susp activity revolved around that.

-MM is being pretty passive, helping people out but not really pressuring like i usually see him do.

-Blink claimed cit at beginning and spiked a whole lot of conversation revolved around role calling leading to people discussing strategies. He has rolecalled like that so far every game he was town, and it was not once bullshit yet.

-every single person here has now pushed at Noz and agreed he is to be lynched if a judge is called...yet not 1 person stepped in to suggest an alterantive or even TRIED to defend him in the least; almost seems like the evils are going after the easy scapegoat (but i do agree with we need to hear more from him) but he is now set up for a lynch if there is a Judge, meaning if he is town we just lost.

-Soviet is townread by most of the people and been able to avoid being under any pressure so far - thus giving almost a WIFOM attitude coming into play.

Possible alignments
-(I do not see magoroth and blink as team in this game)
-(I can see magoroth and Ozy as a team)

Then I can also see anyone else being a team =P not much info to work with but that is kind of what im working with right now. I have a few more things but not revealing until relevant. DOC ON ME =P

Can I see a quote where I did that? I know I pointed out that blink has only advised to mass role claim. But thats the only thing i remember. And in that post - of the 4 people i pictured scummy, he was the least one. In fackt - you were above him. And where did this Ozy following Magoth shit come from? If there was anyone I followed then it was MM. MM questioned blinks decision to advise mass role claim after it was already discussed to be a bad idea. And I agreed. Where does this shit Ozy+Magoroth come from? I already apologised i did a literal misread, did you miss it? Did you forget it? I ask you to now apolgise for your misread or however that idea of yours come by.

I can't just believe you are serious atm... Are you painting a target? But then - you should realise that others would read past it and see that what you said was bullshit.

[Distorted]

Since the list of possible alignments is pretty much anyone ill go with whom I do not see being aligned:

People I do not believe are aligned:
Blink + Magoroth
Blink + Ozy
Noz + anyone since everyone has voted to scapegoat him without resistance or hesitation
MM + blink since MM is acting pretty much how he does every game towards blink when blink has been town (the 1 game blink was scum MM trusted him =P )

[Distorted]

Can I see a quote where I did that? I know I pointed out that blink has only advised to mass role claim. But thats the only thing i remember. And in that post - of the 4 people i pictured scummy, he was the least one. In fackt - you were above him. And where did this Ozy following Magoth shit come from? If there was anyone I followed then it was MM. MM questioned blinks decision to advise mass role claim after it was already discussed to be a bad idea. And I agreed. Where does this shit Ozy+Magoroth come from? I already apologised i did a literal misread, did you miss it? Did you forget it? I ask you to now apolgise for your misread or however that idea of yours come by.

I can't just believe you are serious atm... Are you painting a target? But then - you should realise that others would read past it and see that what you said was bullshit.

It was more of you passively overlooking Magoroth I guess when you were telling MM i believe it was to take his vote off of blink. You did not address Magoroths vote. Also

When I posted that, I was posting it with the hopes that Distorted would go full panic mode in response if I was on to something.

You wanted to bait me to go panic mode, well Magoroth went there and yet you didnt comment at all on that. You seem to be completely overlooking anything he does.

I know there was something back there further related to blink but it wasnt anything huge worth searching for, at least right now - may dig it up later during some rereads.

[OzyWho]

It was more of you passively overlooking Magoroth I guess when you were telling MM i believe it was to take his vote off of blink. You did not address Magoroths vote. Also

I did neither directly address MM nor Magor. Can you show me where I addressed MM?

You wanted to bait me to go panic mode, well Magoroth went there and yet you didnt comment at all on that. You seem to be completely overlooking anything he does.

I did bait you in the hopes that I would hit a nerve, you would go panic mode, and I could get a scumread on you.
I do not do such tactic to anyone else, except Soviet just few minutes ago it feels.
I have no clue what Magoroth thing you talked about. I noticed he paniced, yes. Was I supposed to say something?

[Distorted]

Except when he role-called doc and became arson BUT THAT BEING SAID I generally agree with your reads on people's convos and agree with you the day discussion has been productive in beginning to determine how people relate to each other if there is buddying.

Speaking of buddying - updating this a bit for a possible soviet + MM team

Quote Originally Posted by Soviet_Love View Post

Bruh I brought to the town's attention we may not have killing roles. And that we should act differently if there are 0, 1, or 2 killing roles. And that THE MOST LIKELY OPTION IS THAT THERE ARE NO KILLING ROLES. THIS IS THE MOST LIKELY OPTION OF THE THREE.

MM stood up for him on this claiming he was like this last game.

Quote Originally Posted by Soviet_Love View Post

Yay! This may the first game we've played together where you're originally more pro-town read on me than scum. I like it! Hoepfully we can work together this time around.

so there has been a slight bit of buddying between MM and Soviet. So far not thinking anything of it.


There has been a few more but it just seems natural play - but keeping it in existence.

And my reasoning is - I would not view them BOTH as scum. But situations like this it is usually very common that 1 of them us scum trying to buddy with a town. A play on emotions per say.

[Ganelon]

What I have learned so far in a brief -

-Magoroth seemed to paint blink as a scum, Ozy passively did as well just kinda followed Magoroths lead on that. some susp activity revolved around that.

-MM is being pretty passive, helping people out but not really pressuring like i usually see him do.

-Blink claimed cit at beginning and spiked a whole lot of conversation revolved around role calling leading to people discussing strategies. He has rolecalled like that so far every game he was town, and it was not once bullshit yet.

-every single person here has now pushed at Noz and agreed he is to be lynched if a judge is called...yet not 1 person stepped in to suggest an alterantive or even TRIED to defend him in the least; almost seems like the evils are going after the easy scapegoat (but i do agree with we need to hear more from him) but he is now set up for a lynch if there is a Judge, meaning if he is town we just lost.

-Soviet is townread by most of the people and been able to avoid being under any pressure so far - thus giving almost a WIFOM attitude coming into play.

Possible alignments
-(I do not see magoroth and blink as team in this game)
-(I can see magoroth and Ozy as a team)

Then I can also see anyone else being a team =P not much info to work with but that is kind of what im working with right now. I have a few more things but not revealing until relevant. DOC ON ME =P

What are you talking about? Ozy said earlier that I'm one of his scum reads; in fact you all said that. The only conclusion I can derive from that is that:
1. Some witch is pushing me under the bus.
2. I'm a townie. Someone is scapegoating me.

[Distorted]

I did neither directly address MM nor Magor. Can you show me where I addressed MM?



I did bait you in the hopes that I would hit a nerve, you would go panic mode, and I could get a scumread on you.
I do not do such tactic to anyone else, except Soviet just few minutes ago it feels.
I have no clue what Magoroth thing you talked about. I noticed he paniced, yes. Was I supposed to say something?

A thing being common doesn't make it right.
Right now your pressure voted target can delay his response just a little bit longer so you, the voter, look more suspicious. And honestly, every minute any vote stays on - the voter looks more and more suspicious to me. Just do me a favor and cancel your vote, will you? It makes me nervous af about you.

This is in direct response to a quote from MM making it clear you are directing the post at him

[Distorted]

A thing being common doesn't make it right.
Right now your pressure voted target can delay his response just a little bit longer so you, the voter, look more suspicious. And honestly, every minute any vote stays on - the voter looks more and more suspicious to me. Just do me a favor and cancel your vote, will you? It makes me nervous af about you.

This is in direct response to a quote from MM making it clear you are directing the post at him


sorry repost to color in the relevent part.

[Distorted]

I did neither directly address MM nor Magor. Can you show me where I addressed MM?



I did bait you in the hopes that I would hit a nerve, you would go panic mode, and I could get a scumread on you.
I do not do such tactic to anyone else, except Soviet just few minutes ago it feels.
I have no clue what Magoroth thing you talked about. I noticed he paniced, yes. Was I supposed to say something?

well if you were looking for panic cues, why focus on only me when some1 else just fit your criteria? If you have no idea what im talking about, its 2 pages back - he even stated he panicked because he didnt want to get lynched D1 as a new player (which i 100% understand). I panicked the first time i played and got pressured, since in the mod pressure leads to a very fast lynch; FM isn't the same in that sense.

[Soviet_Love]

Speaking of buddying - updating this a bit for a possible soviet + MM team

Quote Originally Posted by Soviet_Love View Post


MM stood up for him on this claiming he was like this last game.

Quote Originally Posted by Soviet_Love View Post


so there has been a slight bit of buddying between MM and Soviet. So far not thinking anything of it.


There has been a few more but it just seems natural play - but keeping it in existence.

And my reasoning is - I would not view them BOTH as scum. But situations like this it is usually very common that 1 of them us scum trying to buddy with a town. A play on emotions per say.

Yeah I think that's a fair read. The last two games I have tried to do the opposite of whatever MM says because he plays very aggressively and based on meta's and past games that I don't know about. But this is the first time where I seem to be agreeing with a lot of what he says, and I know he was town the last two times and was equally aggressive.

Idk yeah I think you're definitely right to point out potential buddying, I guess my only defense is that I'm agreeing with what MM is saying and was excited that I'm not antagonistic. If he is vig I don't think he'd shoot me this time around lol.

[Distorted]

What are you talking about? Ozy said earlier that I'm one of his scum reads; in fact you all said that. The only conclusion I can derive from that is that:
1. Some witch is pushing me under the bus.
2. I'm a townie. Someone is scapegoating me.

Saying a scum read means nothing really unless action is taken behind it. Usually evils will have eachother in their "scumread" lists in the chance they get lynched, going after their "town reads" is usually a logical step; but more often than not fails.

[OzyWho]

This is in direct response to a quote from MM making it clear you are directing the post at him

You realize that was me talking about the general idea of using -vote, right?
"Your vote, for example" is just it, an example.
Why I ask him to cancel his vote? What do you think? Did I perhaps try and stop lynch and vote happy players from using -vote because a D1 lynch is bad? Maybe?

well if you were looking for panic cues, why focus on only me when some1 else just fit your criteria? If you have no idea what im talking about, its 2 pages back - he even stated he panicked because he didnt want to get lynched D1 as a new player (which i 100% understand). I panicked the first time i played and got pressured, since in the mod pressure leads to a very fast lynch; FM isn't the same in that sense.

I say "I saw him panic", you say "if you dont know what im talking about". Cmoon..

[Soviet_Love]

Devils Advocate. Ozy and Distorted going at it is reverse-buddying, aka real buddying! Nice deflection I c rite through u.

Lol jk. Sorry to troll

[OzyWho]

Devils Advocate. Ozy and Distorted going at it is reverse-buddying, aka real buddying! Nice deflection I c rite through u.

Lol jk. Sorry to troll

Get him away from me. I don't like being misunderstood. (Talking about Distorted ofc)

[Distorted]

You realize that was me talking about the general idea of using -vote, right?
"Your vote, for example" is just it, an example.
Why I ask him to cancel his vote? What do you think? Did I perhaps try and stop lynch and vote happy players from using -vote because a D1 lynch is bad? Maybe?


I say "I saw him panic", you say "if you dont know what im talking about". Cmoon..

You are missing my point. You asked MM to remove his vote, but you did not address Magoroth to remove his. they were both online posting.

Yes - some1 getting really defensive..pushing back and submitting, which is exactly what happened so i am not sure the difference of what you were looking for - but maybe you do.

[Distorted]

and all i did was point out that you asked MM to remove his vote, and not magoroth - but you asked me to find you the quote for that because you didn't remember it; and I did.

[Distorted]

I did neither directly address MM nor Magor. Can you show me where I addressed MM?



I did bait you in the hopes that I would hit a nerve, you would go panic mode, and I could get a scumread on you.
I do not do such tactic to anyone else, except Soviet just few minutes ago it feels.
I have no clue what Magoroth thing you talked about. I noticed he paniced, yes. Was I supposed to say something?

Just reposting for context.

[OzyWho]

You are missing my point. You asked MM to remove his vote, but you did not address Magoroth to remove his. they were both online posting.

I was talking directly to MM not Mag. gtfo you scum.

You are right about the action, not about the meaning.
You assume I defend myself because you are right. But I defend myself because you are wrong. The meaning not action.

So, you see something, make an assumption, i defend myself because it's wrong, you assume because it's right. Is that it?

Let me ask you something. How sure are you about you being right? Can we just agree to disagree and you stop annoying me with bullshit?

[Distorted]

I was talking directly to MM not Mag. gtfo you scum.

You are right about the action, not about the meaning.
You assume I defend myself because you are right. But I defend myself because you are wrong. The meaning not action.

So, you see something, make an assumption, i defend myself because it's wrong, you assume because it's right. Is that it?

Let me ask you something. How sure are you about you being right? Can we just agree to disagree and you stop annoying me with bullshit?

....Your kidding right?

Distorted:

It was more of you passively overlooking Magoroth I guess when you were telling MM i believe it was to take his vote off of blink. You did not address Magoroths vote. Also

OzyWho:

I did neither directly address MM nor Magor. Can you show me where I addressed MM?

Distorted: (quote by OzyWho)

A thing being common doesn't make it right.
Right now your pressure voted target can delay his response just a little bit longer so you, the voter, look more suspicious. And honestly, every minute any vote stays on - the voter looks more and more suspicious to me. Just do me a favor and cancel your vote, will you? It makes me nervous af about you.

I was talking directly to MM not Mag. gtfo you scum.

That is the convo we just had.

[OzyWho]

@Distorted
You still haven't elaborated on your "Ozy+Mag painting Blink as Scum" claim.

[Distorted]

@Distorted
You still haven't elaborated on your "Ozy+Mag painting Blink as Scum" claim.

You still havnt addressed the post literally 1 above this.

And if u look at my wall post IT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN THIS COLOR

[Distorted]

@Distorted
You still haven't elaborated on your "Ozy+Mag painting Blink as Scum" claim.

post #196 IN THIS COLOR it is directly addressed.

[Distorted]

Whcih btw I will not be using that color anymore because that is the hosts color.... used to hosts having white

[Distorted]

@Distorted
You still haven't elaborated on your "Ozy+Mag painting Blink as Scum" claim.

now can you please respond to post #284 and #285?

[OzyWho]

@Distorted
Alright. I'm sorry. I didn't remember I adressed MM directly. As in my mind, I was conveying my thoughts about using -vote so that was all I remembered. But I did. You said it, i called it bs, you proved me wrong, I explain you misunderstood the meaning.
And now we are here, you being, probably, tilted about "OMG why did we have to get through all this?".

I am sorry I put you through all of it. But the point remains - you see false meaning in my action to adress MM not Mag.
I can't prove you wrong. So I think i'm moving on now unless I see another lie about me come about.

[OzyWho]

Jeezus fuck man. We are discussing like 2 topics at once, this is a fucking rodeo.

[Distorted]

@Distorted
Alright. I'm sorry. I didn't remember I adressed MM directly. As in my mind, I was conveying my thoughts about using -vote so that was all I remembered. But I did. You said it, i called it bs, you proved me wrong, I explain you misunderstood the meaning.
And now we are here, you being, probably, tilted about "OMG why did we have to get through all this?".

I am sorry I put you through all of it. But the point remains - you see false meaning in my action to adress MM not Mag.
I can't prove you wrong. So I think i'm moving on now unless I see another lie about me come about.

it's okay, thats what FM is - high pressure situations. no need to apologize we all typed /sign for this =P and trust me, these get a lot LOT worse. some games people get downright personal with going at eachother lol

[Distorted]

Jeezus fuck man. We are discussing like 2 topics at once, this is a fucking rodeo.

Welcome to Forum Mafia haha

[Soviet_Love]

@Gyrlander If there is an architect/earthbinder and they put a witch and a town in the same nightchat, does the witch also have access to night-chat with the other witch?

[OzyWho]

This is the purpose of pressure voting.. why is a vote on blink making you nervous? And it is also curious why you are not concerned or questioning Magoroth about him having his vote on blink as well? Just blink? Almost sounds like 2 people are painting blink as scum right now for a potential future/first lynch.

I'm pretty fucking sure I adressed it by now. My post about explaining why im against using -vote, it was meant to be as a general thing. MM just happend to be whom im addressing because i dont remember why. We probably were discussing that topic or I was replying to him with my views of things after he said something?

Distorted, do me a favor. Don't address me anymore for the reminder of this day.

[Distorted]

Welcome to Forum Mafia haha

and this is only a 7 person save... That's why these 2 arnt ranked and divided up, to help new players adjust a bit and learn it.

They have saves also with 0 night actions - My first game was i think a 10 player game or something with 3 evils. 1 cult leader and 2 followers, if the cult leader died, the evils lost. The followers knew who the leader was, but the leader didn't know who the folloewrs were, and the followers did not know who eachother was. 0 night actions so nobody had any abilities. Those games turn into a shitfest lol "Return of Haloden" is the name of that game if you are curious to look it up - it's the reason MM doesnt want to trust me =(

[Distorted]

I'm pretty fucking sure I adressed it by now. My post about explaining why im against using -vote, it was meant to be as a general thing. MM just happend to be whom im addressing because i dont remember why. We probably were discussing that topic or I was replying to him with my views of things after he said something?

Distorted, do me a favor. Don't address me anymore for the reminder of this day.

....You just did address it, literally within the last 5 minutes dude that post was from like 12 hours ago when it was not addressed lol

[OzyWho]

....You just did address it, literally within the last 5 minutes dude that post was from like 12 hours ago when it was not addressed lol

I remember you asked me in the last few minutes to reply to that 19x post. x is some number i dont remember. Neither am i sure if you asked. But i thought you did, so i did.

[OzyWho]

@Gyrlander Can I change my role to Silencer(Blackmailer) to blackmail Distorted for next day?