S-FM 245 Which Witch is Which? - GYRLANDER -

[Gyrlander]

Which Witch is Which?

Setup Link

Day One



Player List

1. @Magoroth
2. @Noz_Bugz
3. @OzyWho
4. @Distorted
5. @Marshmallow Marshall
6. @Soviet_Love
7. @blinkskater

Graveyard

None


Night 1 / Day 2

Night 2 / Day 3

Night 3 / Day 4


Night 1 will start in...

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DAYS HOURS MINUTES SECONDS

4 votes to hammer.

[OzyWho]

first

[Ganelon]

G'day.

[OzyWho]

Alright, boys and girls. Can someone teach me hot to play? I never played FM before.
I will tomorrow search for a forum thread that says what players can do and how. Honestly, havent read that yet. Like how to make a night action or update the lw for example.

[Ganelon]

Hmm. Good question

[blinkskater]

You just shitpost day 1

[Ganelon]

Well, not much to say here.

[OzyWho]

I'm already leaning towards lynching Magoroth for not giving a super helpful comment/reply to me.
Teach me or get voted. A simple new rule that has just been added to the game!

[Ganelon]

Night action? Last will? Why do you need those? :P

[OzyWho]

I can't tell you. I don't trust you!

[Ganelon]

I wouldn't trust me either, to be fair.

[Ganelon]

I don't trust them lurkers, they have something to hide, waiting to see which prey they should be snatching...

[OzyWho]

Magoroth, I apologize for my aggressive tone earlier. I was just in too high spirits when the game started. I will try to chill down a bit. And you are right - those filthy lurkers are suspicious.

[Ganelon]

It's alright.

[Ganelon]

I would like to know Blinkskater's stance on things, however. What do you think we should do? Hmm?

[blinkskater]

I have no stance atm we need to hear from everyone and any day 1 lynch would b 100% random

[Marshmallow Marshall]

You just shitpost day 1

hi guys lol.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I have no stance atm we need to hear from everyone and any day 1 lynch would b 100% random

Ok, slow down blink please. This is a 7 players game, and game has started since exactly 43 minutes.

[Ganelon]

Hello, Marshmallow! Welcome to our merry gathering of concerned villagers! Please take a seat! Would you like a drink?


One mislynch and we're doomed, is that it?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

My stance on D1 lynch: The game is very small, and scums are guaranteed to have a nightkill. We must lynch D1. Wasting days in such a setup is the way to lose. HOWEVER, this does NOT mean we must random lynch. Lynching a town would be catastrophic, because we would instantly be put in a LYLO situation on D2. If we really have no leads at end of day, we'll have to lynch on D2 or die.

Now about you @OzyWho , did you read a bit Helz's guide about communication and did you read the post about how to vote unvote see count etc?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Hello, Marshmallow! Welcome to our merry gathering of concerned villagers! Please take a seat! Would you like a drink?


One mislynch and we're doomed, is that it?

Nope. Two mislynches to lose. A game starting on MYLO would literally be retarded xD

[Ganelon]

The command to vote is -vote #Player, is it not? @Marshmallow Marshall

[Distorted]

My stance on D1 lynch: The game is very small, and scums are guaranteed to have a nightkill. We must lynch D1. Wasting days in such a setup is the way to lose. HOWEVER, this does NOT mean we must random lynch. Lynching a town would be catastrophic, because we would instantly be put in a LYLO situation on D2. If we really have no leads at end of day, we'll have to lynch on D2 or die.

Now about you @OzyWho , did you read a bit Helz's guide about communication and did you read the post about how to vote unvote see count etc?

ok that is very contradicting... lol

[Distorted]

D1 is the riskiest of the days to lynch, you saying we have 1 false lynch but yet we have to lynch day 1 (with lowest odds of success) ..

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I have no stance atm we need to hear from everyone and any day 1 lynch would b 100% random

You have played enough games now to know it would not be random. However, your play is very unusual and counter-intuitive to me (not bad though, that's not what I mean) so I will read that as NAI. Note to self: bookmark #16

[Ganelon]

The math:

5 Townies, 2 Witches.
Mislynch D1:

3 Townies, 2 Witches.
We would be at a knife's point if we mislynched the first day. Better not to lynch at all Day 1... unless there's a Grandmaster in the game. In which case we would probably need to Lynch day 1.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

The command to vote is -vote #Player, is it not? @Marshmallow Marshall

Not at all :P its [vote ] the player's name here [/vote ] without spaces.

[Ganelon]

Thank you. The trial type is Majority, right?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

ok that is very contradicting... lol

Ok maybe I skipped a part here xD

I meant to say that we must lynch someone today unless we really have no idea. Since we got some new guys here, I wanted to make it obvious that no lynch > random lynch. But I think we should be good enough to form reads on D1 ;)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Thank you. The trial type is Majority, right?

You may find all the informations you want on the setup.

[Distorted]

I think feeling out whether a lynch or not would be the best decision. making the decision to decide that we are GOING to lynch day 1 within the first hour of the game puts us instantly into the mentality of "we are going to lynch someone today" without feeling anything out.

Our scenarios for lynchings/kills
-D1 lynch (N1 kill) = 5v2
-D1 no lynch (n1 kill) D2 lynch (N2 kill) = 4 = gg
-D1 no lynch (n1 kill) D2 no lynch (N2 kill) = 5 people and 3 days worth of information to decide off of.

So looking at those strategies - option 3 gives us the most information for most likely the most confident lynch, but yet a day 1 lynch could potentially help reveal alignments.
wow this is a no-mercy game lol

[Marshmallow Marshall]

You may find all the informations you want on the setup.

Fuck, it's not there xD

@Gyrlander Is lynch standard? (51% votes, non mandatory)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I think feeling out whether a lynch or not would be the best decision. making the decision to decide that we are GOING to lynch day 1 within the first hour of the game puts us instantly into the mentality of "we are going to lynch someone today" without feeling anything out.

Our scenarios for lynchings/kills
-D1 lynch (N1 kill) = 5v2
-D1 no lynch (n1 kill) D2 lynch (N2 kill) = 4 = gg
-D1 no lynch (n1 kill) D2 no lynch (N2 kill) = 5 people and 3 days worth of information to decide off of.

So looking at those strategies - option 3 gives us the most information for most likely the most confident lynch, but yet a day 1 lynch could potentially help reveal alignments.
wow this is a no-mercy game lol

On a game with many new players, it's a bad idea to let the game go to LYLO before lynching lol. MYLO max.

[Gyrlander]

Fuck, it's not there xD

@Gyrlander Is lynch standard? (51% votes, non mandatory)

Affirmative.

[Ganelon]

If anything, we should probably start lynching on the first or second days.
My take on things thus far:

Marshmallow and Blinkskater cannot both be Witches. Marshmallow just accused Blinkskater, so at least one of them is a townie. Then again, WIFOM.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

The math:

5 Townies, 2 Witches.
Mislynch D1:

3 Townies, 2 Witches.
We would be at a knife's point if we mislynched the first day. Better not to lynch at all Day 1... unless there's a Grandmaster in the game. In which case we would probably need to Lynch day 1.

Do not forget the Pyromancer!! If there was one, it would change the game drastically.

Lynch D1 with Pyro: 5-1=4 townies VS 2 witches/5v1
No lynch D1 with Pyro: 5 townies VS 2 witches
Lynch D1 with Grandmaster: X townies VS 2 witches/X townies VS 1 witch
No lynch D1 with GM: X townies VS 2 witches
Lynch D1 with Rational Arcanist: LYLO D2/4v1 D2
No lynch with Rational Arcanist: 4v2 D2

[Distorted]

On a game with many new players, it's a bad idea to let the game go to LYLO before lynching lol. MYLO max.

I just see a scenario that if we mis-lynch here we will have 2 witches calling out false leads.

But, in the setup im not seeing if witches know who eachother are or not, or if they share a night chat.

@Gyrlander do witches know each other? and do they have a night chat?

and btw: at the end of ur abbreviations you should type what they mean for the new players, since the terms here are not used on the mod (sc2mafia)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

If anything, we should probably start lynching on the first or second days.
My take on things thus far:

Marshmallow and Blinkskater cannot both be Witches. Marshmallow just accused Blinkskater, so at least one of them is a townie. Then again, WIFOM.

Ehh... Be careful with this kind of statements. It's D1 first hour, we could still be witches misleading everyone. It's too early to say such a thing.

[Distorted]

If anything, we should probably start lynching on the first or second days.
My take on things thus far:

Marshmallow and Blinkskater cannot both be Witches. Marshmallow just accused Blinkskater, so at least one of them is a townie. Then again, WIFOM.

Trust me, evils stage entire fights with eachother on here and almsot get eachother lynched... lol

[Distorted]

oh didnt post my question in green

@gyrlander , do witches know who eachother are? and do they share a night chat?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I just see a scenario that if we mis-lynch here we will have 2 witches calling out false leads.

But, in the setup im not seeing if witches know who eachother are or not, or if they share a night chat.

@Gyrlander do witches know each other? and do they have a night chat?

and btw: at the end of ur abbreviations you should type what they mean for the new players, since the terms here are not used on the mod (sc2mafia)

Which is why I sent everyone to FM guides and have explained how to vote in signups section (apparently some people didn't bother to read it though ) so you're right.

LYLO = Lynch or lose, 3v2/2v1 in this setup.
MYLO = Mislynch and lose, 4v2/3v1 in this setup.
FM = Forum Mafia.
The mod = SC2 -Mafia- arcade game, where you're probably from.
"Playername is at L-#" means that the player will be lynched if # more votes are added on him.

If you got more questions, feel free to ask.

[Ganelon]

Yes, Witches share a night chat.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Magoroth, I apologize for my aggressive tone earlier. I was just in too high spirits when the game started. I will try to chill down a bit. And you are right - those filthy lurkers are suspicious.

Omg calm down guys, you can't say people are lurkers when game has only started since 1 hour!

[Distorted]

Yes, Witches share a night chat.

oh just opened witches roles and it says it right at the top rofl

[Distorted]

-vote soviet_love

[Ganelon]

-vote soviet_love

[Distorted]

-vote unvote

[Marshmallow Marshall]

-vote soviet_love

-vote soviet_love

?!

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Alright, boys and girls. Can someone teach me hot to play? I never played FM before.
I will tomorrow search for a forum thread that says what players can do and how. Honestly, havent read that yet. Like how to make a night action or update the lw for example.

Just noticed something, potential slip that I will however not tell for now. Bookmark post #4

[Distorted]

-vote soviet_love

If neither of us are Witches, and neither is Soviet, putting him at L-2 means both witches could come on and vote him, thus ending day 1 then blaming 1 of us for starting the chain.
Unless that was the goal?