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  1. ISO #451

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    I'm making a conscious effort to ignore Whad/survivor posts to try and get discussion going on something else, since the cons outweigh the pros on continuing to talk about this.

    I'm going to suggest Marshmallow suggest to Hybrid to give someone a gun (or give Marsh a vest??)

    Lastly, I'll be taking a look at Nawa, since her name's been thrown around, they're looking useless (or busy IRL) but have no votes on them.

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    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  2. ISO #452

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Whad View Post
    I didn't think to spam that but maybe I should have. I wouldn't want to get accused of shit posting now would I?
    do you believe with my comments about gathering information today? or do you think we should just push Voss all day? Focus on other people, watch how Voss reacts. I will probably push voss near EoD as well, but right now its at a point of pushing EVERYONE to limit the mafias claims.

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  6. ISO #456

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    This question needs answered.

    @Scvmurderer are you claiming citizen?
    you need to stop asking this question unless its a 'role or die' threat.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Whad View Post
    Ken, eddy, and myself shall Trot, ski, or run a little bit over the winter holidays. Who doesn't like a good glass of Leminade for refreshment. Any takers?
    Other people need to Putin some work, or we might be Russian around at the end of the day.

    Oh yeah, btw, who's nick?

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  9. ISO #459

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    do you believe with my comments about gathering information today? or do you think we should just push Voss all day? Focus on other people, watch how Voss reacts. I will probably push voss near EoD as well, but right now its at a point of pushing EVERYONE to limit the mafias claims.
    Tbh like to really be honest we should just mass claim and then sort through the piles of cit claims vs. tpr claims. That's what I would do, but I think it would be rather unpopular.
    I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.

  10. ISO #460

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Other people need to Putin some work, or we might be Russian around at the end of the day.

    Oh yeah, btw, who's nick?
    Nick's on line. Who's on first? What's on second?
    I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.

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  12. ISO #462

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    hmm why do you say that?
    because we're not mass claiming. The only reason I want people claiming their role is if they're going to be lynched otherwise. If you make a few of us mass claim, that just narrows down good kill targets for mafia. And we all know how much a certain someone hates that,

    Typically the way I approach 'claim your role', especially early in the game is we're lynching you unless you claim to be a super important TPR. (Obviously there are exceptions, but I"m not getting into that here)

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  13. ISO #463

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Whad View Post
    Tbh like to really be honest we should just mass claim and then sort through the piles of cit claims vs. tpr claims. That's what I would do, but I think it would be rather unpopular.
    Let alone whether this is scummy or not, this just contradicts your argument with what I did with the survivor claim.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  14. ISO #464

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    because we're not mass claiming. The only reason I want people claiming their role is if they're going to be lynched otherwise. If you make a few of us mass claim, that just narrows down good kill targets for mafia. And we all know how much a certain someone hates that,

    Typically the way I approach 'claim your role', especially early in the game is we're lynching you unless you claim to be a super important TPR. (Obviously there are exceptions, but I"m not getting into that here)
    Please get into the exceptions. It will help me interpret what you are likely to claim near the end of D1.
    I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.

  15. ISO #465

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Whad View Post
    Tbh like to really be honest we should just mass claim and then sort through the piles of cit claims vs. tpr claims. That's what I would do, but I think it would be rather unpopular.
    I believe in that strategy as well. I have used it many times with an early mayor reveal in the mod and it seems to have a high success rate. But the only problem with that is the Heat ability of the mafia to block all actions. That would leave key mafia with an ability to pick off 1 town of their choice when they feel like it. However, I am working towards something along those lines right now.

    Whad suggesting this. +town

  16. ISO #466

  17. ISO #467

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Let alone whether this is scummy or not, this just contradicts your argument with what I did with the survivor claim.
    We either all claim or nobody claims. That's what I want. All claim gives town process of elimination info to catch the scum. Only survivor claims gives the scum a target to avoid hitting.

    I think that scum probably wouldn't want to claim a TPR (because the scum would rather focus on killing TPRs, thus eliminating the pool of cc's) so then we'd have a pool of let's say 8 cit claimers who are the 4 real cits and 4 scums. 50% chance to hit scum is actually not bad.
    I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.

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  22. ISO #472

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    do you claim cit?
    @Spruance don't answer this question.

    This is shitty play and an excuse for 'scum hunting'.

    If we're going to do this, it needs to be proper.

    okay now i'm really going to go. will get back to distorted's question and nawa later.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  23. ISO #473

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    @Spruance don't answer this question.

    This is shitty play and an excuse for 'scum hunting'.

    If we're going to do this, it needs to be proper.

    okay now i'm really going to go. will get back to distorted's question and nawa later.
    Scum coaching? Voss is gonna go back to mafia night chat and help scum coordinate their fake claims.
    I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.

  24. ISO #474

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Wow, you really want Voss dead.

    @Distorted do you feel this is somewhat forced? Like I said earlier, it’s almost like he’s trying too hard to be his usual self.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  25. ISO #475

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    do you claim cit?
    I hard claim not a citizen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  26. ISO #476

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    McCree talk to me! It’s been too long.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  27. ISO #477

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    Wow, you really want Voss dead.

    @Distorted do you feel this is somewhat forced? Like I said earlier, it’s almost like he’s trying too hard to be his usual self.
    I feel it's excessive, yeah; but at the same time it gives me a town read on him. Seems like if he was scum trying to lynch a town he would be trying to make more of an argument. It also seems far too early to just throw himself into the spotlight like that demanding blood, especially with town roles that can kill.

    It also could be a ploy to delay time and distract everyone from scum hunting, that is something I would find more probable than trying to actually GET the lynch.

  28. ISO #478

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    I feel it's excessive, yeah; but at the same time it gives me a town read on him. Seems like if he was scum trying to lynch a town he would be trying to make more of an argument. It also seems far too early to just throw himself into the spotlight like that demanding blood, especially with town roles that can kill.

    It also could be a ploy to delay time and distract everyone from scum hunting, that is something I would find more probable than trying to actually GET the lynch.
    How come you aren't asking me what I hard claim?

    Also, I welcome the spotlight. It's exciting to feel like I could be lynched at any minute. Put me back in the hotseat.
    I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.

  29. ISO #479

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Whad View Post
    How come you aren't asking me what I hard claim?

    Also, I welcome the spotlight. It's exciting to feel like I could be lynched at any minute. Put me back in the hotseat.
    because you and voss have been in the spotlight pretty much since the beginning. I want to focus on a few people who have had very little presure.

  30. ISO #480

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Whad View Post
    Scum coaching? Voss is gonna go back to mafia night chat and help scum coordinate their fake claims.
    The fact that he says this though really throws me off. It looks so much more fabricated than his normal arguments are.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

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  36. ISO #486

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    Is that town protective?
    Town power role!
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    1-I really and truly believe @Unknown1234 is town. He stuck by me when I needed him
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Wow, this game was really easy. I just had to talk dumb shit to survive some days more. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If sheriff cleared you honestly I would take him out of my town core and put him as scum.

  37. ISO #487

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    Is that town protective?
    town power role.

    Claims
    TPR:
    Marshmallow - Hybrid
    Unknown - PSS (Bodyguard) or TPR
    Spruance - TPR
    Whad - TPR

    Citizen:
    Yuki


    I'm only doing this because it's the natural result of DUMB claiming for no reason, and I'm trying to organize it so we can move on. But I'd still rather just stop it.
    Also, I'm not sure who really buys any of these claims, and I hope by me saying this, I can restore some WIFOM protection to some of these folks.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  38. ISO #488

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    town power role.

    Claims
    TPR:
    Marshmallow - Leon
    Unknown - PSS (Bodyguard) or TPR
    Spruance - TPR
    Whad - TPR

    Citizen:
    Yuki


    I'm only doing this because it's the natural result of DUMB claiming for no reason, and I'm trying to organize it so we can move on. But I'd still rather just stop it.
    Also, I'm not sure who really buys any of these claims, and I hope by me saying this, I can restore some WIFOM protection to some of these folks.
    FIXED.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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  40. ISO #490

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    town power role.

    Claims
    TPR:
    Marshmallow - Hybrid
    Unknown - PSS (Bodyguard) or TPR
    Spruance - TPR
    Whad - TPR

    Citizen:
    Yuki


    I'm only doing this because it's the natural result of DUMB claiming for no reason, and I'm trying to organize it so we can move on. But I'd still rather just stop it.
    Also, I'm not sure who really buys any of these claims, and I hope by me saying this, I can restore some WIFOM protection to some of these folks.
    We're doing it! Let's lynch a non-claimer like Voss. At worst he is just a cit, at best he might be the SK or GF!!!
    I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.

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  44. ISO #494

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Whad View Post
    @Voss Get your vote off an un-cc'ed TPR slot claimer
    If you don't retract in your next post, but do so at a later time, I'm parking my vote on you for the rest of the game.

    -unvote


    What sucks is that even if someone else were to claim the 5th TPR, we'd have a higher chance to lynch scum out of the citizens still.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  45. ISO #495

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    If you don't retract in your next post, but do so at a later time, I'm parking my vote on you for the rest of the game.

    -unvote


    What sucks is that even if someone else were to claim the 5th TPR, we'd have a higher chance to lynch scum out of the citizens still.
    ...I just came and I see this... AAAAAAAAAAANTI TOWN ALERT!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  46. ISO #496

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    This to me is very town. asking to recruit people to vote with you and asking for votes seems like it would be "ballsy" to do if you are scum.
    No, it's even scummy, lol. Asking people to sheep you on the easiest lynch train of the moment is not town-like at all XD
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  47. ISO #497

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Whad View Post
    I think it's more beneficial for scum to have the survivor revealed though. Now scum know who NOT to kill at night which makes every other townie that much more of a target.
    You are all using the word "Survivor". But it's not a fucking standard Survivor. It's Castro. His abilities make him deadly for town if he chooses to side with the capitalists. Having him revealed is better for town.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  48. ISO #498

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Whad View Post
    Voss and many (heck even Trotsky - MM) thinks that it's a pro-town move to pull. I'm trying to bring to the light why it's not as pro-town as it seems. Without me yammering on about this, I think that Voss would have gotten a lot of townpoints for this.

    I argue that it's anti-town to reveal the neutral, viewed as not that scummy by most, and thus I conclude that scum might conclude this is a worthwhile gambit.
    Voss' action is NAI. He could be trying to gain townpoints easily as scum, or simply thinking he's doing the right thing (as I do) as town.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  49. ISO #499

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    The people who wanted to lynch the neutral didn’t switch over to Hybrid though. That much interests me.
    Scv did, and I gave him townpoints for his coherence, even if I disagree about the lynch neutrals point. But you're right. Who wanted to lynch the neutral hardcore and didn't switch on Hybrid?
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  50. ISO #500

    Re: S-FM The Coldest War

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    What voss did is actually very pro town because it is CONFIRMING A ROLE. Mafia is a game based off of an informed minority vs an uninformed majority; information is towns best weapon with Voss provided a tremendous amount of compared to anyone else so far.

    BUT the one concern I have with Voss is that he did not plant a post or a series of posts that he could reference back to SHOWING that he was intending on this, even hinting. If he could pull a post that showed him hinting that he was not really survivor or baiting or ANYTHING then that makes me believe there is a good chance of a scum tactic behind it. So I think voss may not be the best lynch for day 1 with how much he provided FOR town.

    @Scvmurderer do you claim citizen?
    But listen to the other points too, everyone is right there. You, Whad, Unknown, myself... It's just not to be the sole argument of a lynch train, and Whad should stop pushing a train on him just for that... if he's town ofc.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

 

 

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