S-FM 240: Instant Mafia IV

[Aardvarks Bark]

well we still need AA's and SB16's votes I would like to see the results of this before I go out drinking...

What's the rush? I'm not voting til I have to or i can be confident in my choice

[blinkskater]

I agree Nawa looks like a scumslip to me I was thinking the same thing, I enjoy how everything you post i almost 100% agree with, i'll buy you and your sexy cat a beer

[PowersThatBe]

Lol i reread the thread to some <10 page ptb was preparing to pushme and blink when mesk arrived

I was pushing back on a claim I questioned since I know I am mason with another mason. I was slightly skeptical of the claim at first. I stated hundreds of times that I was not accusing either of you. Merely to not just believe the claim because it was the first claim and it was after I said mass claim would be bad for town because scum could hide.

Somehow being open to different scenarios makes it that I was setting up some late cc. Sorry I’m not stupid and wouldn’t play scum that piss poorly.

Anyhow I’m mason. Mesk is scum. Lynch who you want

[Mesk514]

I already quoted it, and said it was fucked up, then you said "what's fucked up is ptb is trying to get you to vote for me and accusing you of being teammates with me"

YES, i see what you're saying. but no, i was not even remotely insinuating anything about the heart attack. It has nothing to do with the game whatsoever, he is scum. because he is scum, i was merely pointing out he has been lying the whole game. just so happened i happened to say it pulled from a quote that outlines him explaining a personal issue. I do apologize for that, but as you can see from my response of saying what's fucked up is ptb trying to win your vote while saying we're scum, i WASNT EVEN THINKING about that one moment where he said someone had a heart attack. IM FOCUSED ON WHERE HE SAYS DO YOU THINK I WOULD LIE?

[Aardvarks Bark]

HE DOESNT NEED TO ASK YOU! it's the way he responds to your questions. IF HE REALLY THOUGHT YOU WERE SCUM, why would he even defend himself? YOU would have no choice but to vote with me.

What kind of logic is this? You think ptb is wolves and you've responded to his suspicions. ptb thinks you're wolves and he's responded to you too.

[PowersThatBe]

I agree Nawa looks like a scumslip to me I was thinking the same thing, I enjoy how everything you post i almost 100% agree with, i'll buy you and your sexy cat a beer

You’ve thought I was scum since page one. You have tunneled since. Of course you think I’ve made scum slips lol.

[Mesk514]

What kind of logic is this? You think ptb is wolves and you've responded to his suspicions. ptb thinks you're wolves and he's responded to you too.

ptb doesn't think I'm a wolf, he is scum. he has no choice but to pretend i am one. it's all pretend.

[PowersThatBe]

I’m against it at this point. I’ve never played a set up like this, but an early mass claim would allow scum to blend in from the beginning of the game. Whereas at the end of the game you can make a better assessment based on their behavior throughout the game. Also in a one lynch game you have to get it 100% right in a Cc.

The more info you give scum early in the game the more of a disadvantage you put us in. Scum already knows that we’re town, giving them our roles this early would make us more easily manipulated.

This is what I felt about early game mass role claim and then blink did it. I can’t believ you people can’t see how I would think that was scummy

[Mesk514]

This is what I felt about early game mass role claim and then blink did it. I can’t believ you people can’t see how I would think that was scummy

you thought everything anyone said was scummy. you left all those doors open to your benefit.

[Aardvarks Bark]

Here's where I currently stand:

4 possibilities

PTB is wolves and has played an impressively masterful game and Mesk is a townie who's been screwed by unusual game mechanics

Mesk is mafia who pulled a strange and sloppy gambit supplemented by shouting too much and PTB is a completely average townie player reacting normally to the situation

Mesk and PTB are both masons and no one is lying. We never had a chance from the start. Except this is confirmed false by host announcement so nevermind.

Wildcard option 4, you're both lying and there are no masons in this game and yeah who am I kidding this one sucks too.

[PowersThatBe]

you thought everything anyone said was scummy. you left all those doors open to your benefit.

I thought everyone was scummy or I was setting both you and blink up for ccs? You said I’d cc you if you claimed mayor. You said I’d cc a sheriff claim. But I never ccd a sheriff claim. I immediately ccd your mason claim because I’m mason and you’re scum.

I really don’t want to keep speaking to you.

[Aardvarks Bark]

am I missing anything

[PowersThatBe]

Here's where I currently stand:

4 possibilities

PTB is wolves and has played an impressively masterful game and Mesk is a townie who's been screwed by unusual game mechanics

Mesk is mafia who pulled a strange and sloppy gambit supplemented by shouting too much and PTB is a completely average townie player reacting normally to the situation

Mesk and PTB are both masons and no one is lying. We never had a chance from the start. Except this is confirmed false by host announcement so nevermind.

Wildcard option 4, you're both lying and there are no masons in this game and yeah who am I kidding this one sucks too.

So 2 options then

[Mesk514]

I thought everyone was scummy or I was setting both you and blink up for ccs? You said I’d cc you if you claimed mayor. You said I’d cc a sheriff claim. But I never ccd a sheriff claim. I immediately ccd your mason claim because I’m mason and you’re scum.

I really don’t want to keep speaking to you.

i said you were setting it up for you to cc the sheriff claim but as well left the door open so you could possibly claim something else should the opportunity seem fit. Hence you were claiming everything was scummy cause if you were to be dead set on something and suddenly more opportunistic came up, you wouldn't be able to flop otherwise it would look bad.

[Aardvarks Bark]

So 2 options then

Yeah pretty much.

[Mesk514]

Here's where I currently stand:

4 possibilities

PTB is wolves and has played an impressively masterful game and Mesk is a townie who's been screwed by unusual game mechanics

Mesk is mafia who pulled a strange and sloppy gambit supplemented by shouting too much and PTB is a completely average townie player reacting normally to the situation

Mesk and PTB are both masons and no one is lying. We never had a chance from the start. Except this is confirmed false by host announcement so nevermind.

Wildcard option 4, you're both lying and there are no masons in this game and yeah who am I kidding this one sucks too.

i'm insulted you would think i would play such a sloppy scum game.

[Mesk514]

Yeah pretty much.

so sad. too bad he's scum.

[Mesk514]

Yeah pretty much.

did you even read the 106 post iso where i highlighted EVERY SINGLE THING THAT WAS WRONG WITH ALL 106 OF HIS FIRST POSTS.

[Aardvarks Bark]

i'm insulted you would think i would play such a sloppy scum game.

You've also played pretty sloppily if you're town.

[PowersThatBe]

i said you were setting it up for you to cc the sheriff claim but as well left the door open so you could possibly claim something else should the opportunity seem fit. Hence you were claiming everything was scummy cause if you were to be dead set on something and suddenly more opportunistic came up, you wouldn't be able to flop otherwise it would look bad.

Or I warned everyone not to mass claim so early to avoid something like this. Then not even two posts later blink immediately says he’s sheriff and throws Nawa out as confirmed citizen. I thought it was scummy and exactly what I said scum would do. I followed the thread to its natural investigative conclusion.

You accepted him as town immediately because you know he’s town because you’re scum and you know who is and isn’t town.

[Mesk514]

You've also played pretty sloppily if you're town.

DID YOU EVEN READ ANYTHING I said? sure, i raged at MM. rightfully so.

I took the time to go back and go over everything with a fresh mind.

You can't see it, that's not my fault. Unfortunately that just leaves you one of the dumb ones ptb played into his hands.

I've highlighted it all multiple times. He knows his audience, and he prays on it.

[Mesk514]

I am not going to appeal to anyones emotions, i have no sympathy to anyone who can't use basic logic.

[Aardvarks Bark]

DID YOU EVEN READ ANYTHING I said? sure, i raged at MM. rightfully so.

I took the time to go back and go over everything with a fresh mind.

You can't see it, that's not my fault. Unfortunately that just leaves you one of the dumb ones ptb played into his hands.

I've highlighted it all multiple times. He knows his audience, and he prays on it.

Well. I'm here right now. Ready to listen. Please restate your case?

[Aardvarks Bark]

Please without capital letters.

[Aardvarks Bark]

Stealth I see you're here i don't know where you stand but please wait to vote for a little bit. I don't want to allow a hammer yet

[Stealthbomber16]

Post in progress. ETA Maybe an hour?

[Mesk514]

Well. I'm here right now. Ready to listen. Please restate your case?

First of all, first post (not pertaining to turkey, so technically second post) in PTB stated the only way to win this game is to correctly lynch the CC. He meticulously sets up the play so while acting and making long posts to seem like he's actively doing something, he makes no firm solid case around everyone. However he pokes at everything. He sets himself up so he doesn't have a firm position on anything and although claims citizen 3 times (which i already quoted twice in this thread) he makes the weakest attempt as well to soft claim at mason as well (should be quote 15 on my first ISO in the spoiler).

He greets you and Naz with warmth but dismisses blink and his claims as trolling and just a trash mod player. Sure blinks claim wasn't warranted but PTB heavily set himself up ready to push blink and nada as a scum team.

Unfortunately i couldn't handle PTBs way of managing the town. He was more teaching people how to scum hunt more than scum hunting himself. I'm a firm believer that scum always pic on the low hanging fruit. Blink coming out mildly trolly with a claim that was stated in an antitown manner made him low hanging fruit and easily to pick off of. At the same time, he was also having a 1 on 1 conversation with MM practically highlighting what should be looked for in scum. By having this discussion, ptb effectively gain MMs loyalty give PTB instilled in MM what a scum should act like.

So anyways, i couldn't take that shit anymore, and i was finally sober from a night of sangria drinking. I poke at PTB and stealth and all the sudden PTB challenges me to finally claim my role after he mentioned several times he thought i was soft claiming mayor.

then all this shit happened.

I highly suggest you read my ISO.

If you don't it would be a great hindsight on your part.

[Mesk514]

Lastly, i never make long ass isos or reads list. But you can't say i didn't go out of my way to highlight every single thing wrong with PTB and if you do, then you are seriously mistaken and not my problem.

[Aardvarks Bark]

Lastly, i never make long ass isos or reads list. But you can't say i didn't go out of my way to highlight every single thing wrong with PTB and if you do, then you are seriously mistaken and not my problem.

I forgot about those. That was what made me question ptb in the first place.

[PowersThatBe]

First of all, first post (not pertaining to turkey, so technically second post) in PTB stated the only way to win this game is to correctly lynch the CC. He meticulously sets up the play so while acting and making long posts to seem like he's actively doing something, he makes no firm solid case around everyone. However he pokes at everything. He sets himself up so he doesn't have a firm position on anything and although claims citizen 3 times (which i already quoted twice in this thread) he makes the weakest attempt as well to soft claim at mason as well (should be quote 15 on my first ISO in the spoiler).

He greets you and Naz with warmth but dismisses blink and his claims as trolling and just a trash mod player. Sure blinks claim wasn't warranted but PTB heavily set himself up ready to push blink and nada as a scum team.

Unfortunately i couldn't handle PTBs way of managing the town. He was more teaching people how to scum hunt more than scum hunting himself. I'm a firm believer that scum always pic on the low hanging fruit. Blink coming out mildly trolly with a claim that was stated in an antitown manner made him low hanging fruit and easily to pick off of. At the same time, he was also having a 1 on 1 conversation with MM practically highlighting what should be looked for in scum. By having this discussion, ptb effectively gain MMs loyalty give PTB instilled in MM what a scum should act like.

So anyways, i couldn't take that shit anymore, and i was finally sober from a night of sangria drinking. I poke at PTB and stealth and all the sudden PTB challenges me to finally claim my role after he mentioned several times he thought i was soft claiming mayor.

then all this shit happened.

I highly suggest you read my ISO.

If you don't it would be a great hindsight on your part.

Yes I suggest everyone to ISO mesk. See all of her posts. My first few posts were warning against everyone mass claiming and giving scums a shield to hide behind.

Anyway. It’s all out there. Mesk buddied the sheriff claim because she knew it was a 2 for 1 deal.

And look it worked. 8 or 9 posts in and blink decided he was gonna vote me no matter what and hey look! He would be so easy to beat in a cc if I were scum. Yet I supposedly chose meal to cc.

I don’t get that logic at all. I invite everyone to look at my posts from the beginning of the game till now and make your determinations.

[naz]

Did she contribute more on the previous game? Nope. Was she town? Yes. Irrevelant.

I am never signing up form a FM game again lol.

[naz]

Trying to read everything...22 hours left on the clock!

[Mesk514]

Yes I suggest everyone to ISO mesk. See all of her posts. My first few posts were warning against everyone mass claiming and giving scums a shield to hide behind.

Anyway. It’s all out there. Mesk buddied the sheriff claim because she knew it was a 2 for 1 deal.

And look it worked. 8 or 9 posts in and blink decided he was gonna vote me no matter what and hey look! He would be so easy to beat in a cc if I were scum. Yet I supposedly chose meal to cc.

I don’t get that logic at all. I invite everyone to look at my posts from the beginning of the game till now and make your determinations.

i buddied? lol i said practically nothing to blink. blink was riding me, not the other way around

[PowersThatBe]

First of all, first post (not pertaining to turkey, so technically second post) in PTB stated the only way to win this game is to correctly lynch the CC. He meticulously sets up the play so while acting and making long posts to seem like he's actively doing something, he makes no firm solid case around everyone. However he pokes at everything. He sets himself up so he doesn't have a firm position on anything and although claims citizen 3 times (which i already quoted twice in this thread) he makes the weakest attempt as well to soft claim at mason as well (should be quote 15 on my first ISO in the spoiler).

He greets you and Naz with warmth but dismisses blink and his claims as trolling and just a trash mod player. Sure blinks claim wasn't warranted but PTB heavily set himself up ready to push blink and nada as a scum team.

Unfortunately i couldn't handle PTBs way of managing the town. He was more teaching people how to scum hunt more than scum hunting himself. I'm a firm believer that scum always pic on the low hanging fruit. Blink coming out mildly trolly with a claim that was stated in an antitown manner made him low hanging fruit and easily to pick off of. At the same time, he was also having a 1 on 1 conversation with MM practically highlighting what should be looked for in scum. By having this discussion, ptb effectively gain MMs loyalty give PTB instilled in MM what a scum should act like.

So anyways, i couldn't take that shit anymore, and i was finally sober from a night of sangria drinking. I poke at PTB and stealth and all the sudden PTB challenges me to finally claim my role after he mentioned several times he thought i was soft claiming mayor.

then all this shit happened.

I highly suggest you read my ISO.

If you don't it would be a great hindsight on your part.

He claims right when he got here. Who actually does that?!

[Aardvarks Bark]

I'm sorry I said you played sloppily. That was incorrect. I think your frequent use of caps lock makes me take your posts less seriously than I should.

[PowersThatBe]

i agree, the only person that should claim is me, cause i'm jesus<3

Oh and you said I’m cocky.

You claimed on page one that you were town leader lol.

Everything you said about me you’re actually projecting your own bullshit

[Mesk514]

He claims right when he got here. Who actually does that?!

IVE BEEN PUT AT L-1 BEFORE IVE EVEN READ MY ROLE CARD LIKE 3 HOURS INTO A GAME. it happens. townies do weird things depending on how they're feeling and how they act with power. needless to say, I wasn't buddying him. rather he was pointing you at as scum and no buddying happened. I merely later pointed out you were setting yourself up to tunnel blink and nawa. the long hanging fruit... because... WHO EVEN DOES THAT

[Mesk514]

Oh and you said I’m cocky.

You claimed on page one that you were town leader lol.

Everything you said about me you’re actually projecting your own bullshit

you made two long posts detailing everything great about your plays. multiple self flattery posts. Town leader is what i roled. not you. and you were not going to take that from me.

[naz]

if you can't see how ptb is scum, look at naz. Nah is literally being carried by ptb. she herself has contributed NOTHING, she did zero scum hunting. absolutely 0. neither of them did anything to further the game other then attempt to instill ideas.

I'm sorry, FM is just not interesting to me :c
Theres like 800 posts now and its super hard for me to go through all this.

[Aardvarks Bark]

mmmmmm

[PowersThatBe]

First of all, first post (not pertaining to turkey, so technically second post) in PTB stated the only way to win this game is to correctly lynch the CC. He meticulously sets up the play so while acting and making long posts to seem like he's actively doing something, he makes no firm solid case around everyone. However he pokes at everything. He sets himself up so he doesn't have a firm position on anything and although claims citizen 3 times (which i already quoted twice in this thread) he makes the weakest attempt as well to soft claim at mason as well (should be quote 15 on my first ISO in the spoiler).

He greets you and Naz with warmth but dismisses blink and his claims as trolling and just a trash mod player. Sure blinks claim wasn't warranted but PTB heavily set himself up ready to push blink and nada as a scum team.

Unfortunately i couldn't handle PTBs way of managing the town. He was more teaching people how to scum hunt more than scum hunting himself. I'm a firm believer that scum always pic on the low hanging fruit. Blink coming out mildly trolly with a claim that was stated in an antitown manner made him low hanging fruit and easily to pick off of. At the same time, he was also having a 1 on 1 conversation with MM practically highlighting what should be looked for in scum. By having this discussion, ptb effectively gain MMs loyalty give PTB instilled in MM what a scum should act like.

So anyways, i couldn't take that shit anymore, and i was finally sober from a night of sangria drinking. I poke at PTB and stealth and all the sudden PTB challenges me to finally claim my role after he mentioned several times he thought i was soft claiming mayor.

then all this shit happened.

I highly suggest you read my ISO.

If you don't it would be a great hindsight on your part.

You like to exaggerate.

Seriously Someone pull up all her claims. Go through the actual posts. She’s a liar and mos represents the truth.

“I acted nice” to the other new people who came because they didn’t come and go. I’m sheriff and Nawa is citizen. Then when I said that’s sus, he said don’t question me and then “voted me” then said he’d never move his vote off of me. Look almost 2 days later and he’s still voting me.

But of course I’m some how scummy because I question a quick claim after we discussed not doing it.

Now I’m being told that I would have cc’d the sheriff claim, but was some how waiting for idk what to do it. I then decided it was better to cc one of the stronger fm players here vs ccing a completely new player.

I don’t know how anyone could take that theory even remotely serious.

Again I and naz are masons. Mesk is a liar.

[Aardvarks Bark]

I'm building a litter box for my cat, I'll be back later.

don't hammer.

[PowersThatBe]

IVE BEEN PUT AT L-1 BEFORE IVE EVEN READ MY ROLE CARD LIKE 3 HOURS INTO A GAME. it happens. townies do weird things depending on how they're feeling and how they act with power. needless to say, I wasn't buddying him. rather he was pointing you at as scum and no buddying happened. I merely later pointed out you were setting yourself up to tunnel blink and nawa. the long hanging fruit... because... WHO EVEN DOES THAT

Bullshit

[PowersThatBe]

you made two long posts detailing everything great about your plays. multiple self flattery posts. Town leader is what i roled. not you. and you were not going to take that from me.

Lol yeah right. You claimed you were town leader and Jesus within two posts and I’m somehow the self flattery person.

Sucks you weren’t town this game.

All of mesks points are paper thin and anyone who doesn’t see that is simply blinded

[Mesk514]

Now I’m being told that I would have cc’d the sheriff claim, but was some how waiting for idk what to do it. I then decided it was better to cc one of the stronger fm players here vs ccing a completely new player.

you said as scum thats what you would do, and as scum that's what you tried to do.

GG

checkmate boo

done debating with you. It's clearly outlined why you're scum.

[PowersThatBe]

you said as scum thats what you would do, and as scum that's what you tried to do.

GG

checkmate boo

done debating with you. It's clearly outlined why you're scum.

No if I were scum I wouldn’t claim tpr at all.

We’ll see at the voting.

You’re really trash. Worst scum play I’ve ever seen tbh

[Mesk514]

You’re really trash. Worst scum play I’ve ever seen tbh

i know you don't mean any of it at all just fake emotion to play

love you too

[PowersThatBe]

Well we have no way of actually knowing that. Lol. I feel like you’re trolling, but only time will tell. So we’ll wait for a sheriff cc if there will be one. That will help with scum poe

So I told them let’s wait for a sheriff cc and then I was gonna cc the sheriff?

Lol these theories are so bad

How was I setting up myself to cc?

[PowersThatBe]

i know you don't mean any of it at all just fake emotion to play

love you too

I’m 100%

[PowersThatBe]

LOL forum mafia is way different than the mod. Also you’re not allowed to vote yet. Breaking rules does not make you town.

I also never said you’re scum. I said it’s a possibility and your claims mean shit, and the fact that you named one other player is sus because that’s something scum would do to get town clout.

Also your OMGUS voting me and over defensiveness leads me to have serious doubts about your claim.

Hmm I pointed out legit things scum players do.