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    Hidden S-FM: Gachigasm

    Gachigasm!!
    Role list:

    Town Power Role
    Town Power Role
    Town Power Role
    Town Power Role
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citizen

    Neutral Evil
    Random Mafia
    Random Mafia
    Random Mafia

    Mafia will start with a killing role. Mafia will share a day & night chat.

    Spoiler : Role list: :

    Sheriff
    At night can check a person’s alignment. Discovery immune roles appear as Town

    Escort
    Can role block a player, preventing them from using their night action. If your target is immune, you will receive feedback. Is roleblock immune.

    Bus Driver
    Can swap two targets, swapping all visitors to these two targets.

    Vigilante
    Cannot shoot night one, can shoot and kill one non-night immune player. If the target was night immune you are notified, but you lose your bullet. If someone is attacked and healed, your feedback will be that they are immune. -1

    Veteran (unique)
    Can alert up to 3 times, if an alert is used all visitors to you will die. You gain +99 def for the night. Is roleblock immune.

    Bodyguard
    Can visit someone and fight off a single attacker -2. Will kill the attacker and also die. The target gets +1 defense for the night. Has a one use night vest that gives you +1 def.

    Investigator
    Can visit someone and tell whether they are a [HIDDEN]

    Lookout
    Find out who visited your player.

    Tracker
    Find out who a person visited that night.

    Mayor (unique, [HIDDEN])
    Can reveal during the day to gain 3 votes, for that day only. Can be healed.

    Crusader
    Kills a person that visits your target, RNG if multiple people have visited. Deals -2

    Doctor
    Can heal a player each night, giving them +1 immunity. Can heal yourself once. You and your target will both be notified if they were attacked and healed.

    Citizens [HIDDEN]
    [HIDDEN]
    [HIDDEN]
    [HIDDEN]
    [HIDDEN]
    [HIDDEN]
    [HIDDEN]
    [HIDDEN]
    [HIDDEN]
    All citizens can vote, like usual. [HIDDEN].

    Godfather (unique, [HIDDEN])
    The big bancho. Decides who the factional kill for mafia goes to. +2 night immunity. Will be sent for night kill if mafioso is role blocked.

    Mafioso
    Will enact the factional night kill for mafia.

    Consort
    Can role block a player, preventing them from using their night action.

    Consigliere
    Can find the exact role of the targeted player. [HIDDEN] [HIDDEN]

    Disguiser
    Will have the detective results of the first person visited, still detectable by lookouts and trackers.

    Forger
    Can change the contents of a person’s last will, if the target dies. Can be used up to 3 times.

    Janitor
    Once a player has died, they appear in the graveyard as [HIDDEN]. Can be used up to 3 times. Will know the role and alignment of person cleaned.

    Framer
    All alignment indicative detective results for the target will be revealed as Mafia; investigators visiting a framed target will have their result appear as [HIDDEN].

    Ambusher
    Kills a person that visits your target, RNG if multiple people have visited. Deals -2

    Hypnotist
    Can provide false feedback from the following list: (the target will still get their normal night feedback, so the false feedback is in addition to whatever they would have otherwise received)
    [HIDDEN]
    You were transported to another location
    Your night was occupied, you were role blocked!
    You were attacked but someone fought off your attacker
    You were attacked but someone nursed you back to health
    You feel a mystical power dominating you, you were controlled by a witch
    You were attacked but someone protected you

    Neutral Evil
    [HIDDEN]
    [HIDDEN][HIDDEN][HIDDEN]


    Spoiler : Wincons: :

    Town: eliminate all Neutral Evil and
    Mafia
    Neutral Evil: eliminate all Town and survive to the end
    Mafia: eliminate all Town and have at least one member survive to the end


    Spoiler : OoO :

    1- Veteran alerts
    1.5- bus driver busses
    2- Escort/Consort roleblocks, Neutral evil [HIDDEN]
    3- Bodyguard protects, ambusher and crusader visits, doctor heals
    3.5- forger forges, disguiser disguises
    4- Night kills, Neutral evil [HIDDEN], bodyguard kills
    4.5- framer frames, janitor cleans
    5- investigative roles detect
    6- Hypnotist messages
    7- Lookout/tracker visits
    8- crusader/ambusher kills


    Special mechanics:
    1- 51% to lynch, lynches not mandatory.
    2- Days are 48 hours long, nights are 24 hours long
    3- [HIDDEN]
    4- White bold text is host only
    5- Questions should be either pmed or asked in normal chat using bold and/or green text
    6- Day actions should be pmed to host
    7- If a player is killed, [HIDDEN]
    8- The Neutral Evil [HIDDEN]
    9- The host reserves the right to answer or choose not to answer any questions
    10- No out of game communication, or PMing
    11- [HIDDEN]
    12- [HIDDEN]
    13- Last wills will be revealed in start of day messages, PM the host the information prior to receiving your death message
    14- Keep insults to tolerable levels
    15- [HIDDEN]

    If you would like to review the full setup, then pm me or smth and i'll send you a google doc abt it \o/ if you aren't reviewing the setup and have questions, I reserve the right to answer your questions with \o/
    Last edited by Otakudweeb69; November 11th, 2017 at 01:32 PM. Reason: Didn't edit it, but, idea courtesy of @Stealthbomber16, he hasn't really looked thru this yet tho \o/

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    Re: Hidden S-FM: Gachigasm

    Oooouuuh, exciting... I'll be glad to play this if it gets approved.
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    omg... lol im sorry that you did that...... there is no hidden message, it was a direct copy paste..its 189,000 characters long, so trust me when I say - I am sorry for wasting that much time reading amino acid sequences.
    if there's a wolf on Ceme, I can get behind Tom, I basically townread everyone, Aba a bit less and Marsh has his special throne
    CHOO CHOO, THE DARK LORD HAS ARRIVED TO DESTROY THE SCUMS AND PURGE HERESY FROM THIS TOWN!

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    Re: Hidden S-FM: Gachigasm

    WHOA WHAT A SPOOKY WEIRD SETUP HAAA
    Quote Originally Posted by WorldOfGenis View Post
    you dare fucking tell me what to care about? Whether it is trivial or fucking not you don't control no body but your fucking self so if you don't got nothing nice to say don't comment on my shit cause its not 4 u
    Quote Originally Posted by Otakudweeb69 View Post
    Ok now hold up
    Hopefully you'll get banned and hit by a truck.

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    Re: Hidden S-FM: Gachigasm

    Quote Originally Posted by Otakudweeb69 View Post
    Due to the way it is set up, not all the mafia and town power roles will perform a night action n1
    I really hate to ask, but have you PMed the full setup to a MOD?
    Mafia Record:
    Spoiler : On Site/Universal Total :
    ..Total: 5/9 = 55.6% | 61/104 = 58.3%..
    ...Town: 3/5 = 60% | 42/76 = 55.3%...
    ....Mafia: 0/2 = 0% | 14/23 = 60.9%....
    .....3P: 1/1 = 100% | 3P: 3/5 = 60%.....
    My advice on Mafia play:
    Get the Led Out

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    Re: Hidden S-FM: Gachigasm

    First lookover -

    Typically a 'Hidden' setup implies the roles list is hidden and players dont know the composition or its ratio of roles, so im a little confused as to what part of your setup is 'hidden' besides maybe the neutral slot?

    Also in regards to hidden:
    why does the citizen role have a number of [HIDDEN]'s in it?
    Why does roles like mayor and GF have [HIDDEN] - what does this mean?
    What does it mean when an investigator can tell when someone is a hidden? Also this in conjunction with framer.
    Hypnotist?
    Neutral?
    OoO?

    This is going to need a lot of clarification regarding the use of the word hidden, especially in regards to differentiating between information that is hidden from roles, a type used to detect roles, information hidden from the game, information from interactions etc.

    The numbers next to roles like vigi and crusader, are these representing the damage done to a role?

    If so, can Crusader kill godfather since vigi cant?

    Some roles have +1 defense in their card while others have +1 night immunity. Is there a difference between these two?

    Sheriff
    - Disguise immune roles appear as town. What constitutes disguise immune. Who is disguise immune. What does disguise immune mean given 'disguiser' intends to copycat town roles, who would already appear town to a sheriff?

    Busdriver
    - There are already a number of roleblock immune targets. Does this role NEED to be RBI?

    Veteran
    -Listed as RBI (Roleblock immune), but appears first in OoO, implying that he kills before anyone could roleblock him. Seems redundant. Recommend removing his RBI

    Bodyguard
    - I assume the bodyguard can only kill 1 attacker, so a double attack would still kill his charge?
    - Night vest on bodyguard, does that mean the bodyguard can survive an attack while still killing the attacker if the attacker has targetted his charge? or is it only for protecting the bodyguard from attacks on himself and not his charge?

    Investigator
    - Back to the [HIDDEN] issues. What is meant by this card. Are you withholding what it is the investigator will receive in feedback, or are you implying he can see hidden roles like gf and mayor?

    Sheriff
    - Again? I assume this is a typo for lookout?

    Mayor
    - The high vote count concerns me in this game given the number of PTRs who can potentially confirm themselves, leading to a town landslide. Would recommend dropping this vote to a +2

    Crusader
    - -2?

    Doctor
    - Can doctor use his self protection/healing abiltiy while simultaneously visiting someone to heal them?
    - Does doctor self heal also provide +3 to doctor, or only +1? Looking for interactions with town killing town here.
    - If doctor is providing defense/Immunity to people, he should appear in OoO above killings, otherwise he'd be defending already dead players.

    Citizens
    - [HIDDEN] spam? What?

    Mafia in general
    - If the mafia lose their killing role, how do they conduct night kills with their remaining roles?

    Godfather
    - "Mafia will start with a killing role" "Will be sent for night kill if mafioso is role blocked". Can mafioso and GF be in the game together if mafia only starts with A killing role?

    Consig
    - [HIDDEN]?

    Disguiser
    - I assume this means that "Should a detective investigate this role, the results provided to the detective will be that of whomever the disguiser targetted previously"
    - There is also no detective role in game, do you mean investigator? THere is no publicly revealed investigator card, so what kind of feedback does the disguiser present
    - How many charges does this role have? If he is accidently bussed into disguising as a teammate, or unluckliy hits the neutral, can he change who he wants to copycat.
    - Will this role be notified via feedback of what feedback he has copycatted? or will he have to blindly hope he hit town and then guess what he needs to claim if an investigator or sheriff calls him out as having specific feedback?

    Forger
    - Only ability is to alter last wills, something not everyone uses, and with the possibility of the role existing, something that people will probably dismiss entirely. In conjunction with the need to visit the dead player, can expose 2/3rd of the mafia team for little payoff. Would recommend giving this slot something else to make it less useless, or combining its ability with another mafia role and nerfing the role so as to not be OP.

    Janitor
    - Yet another use of [HIDDEN] with a different meaning. This game needs a cleanup and clarification as to what hidden means in what circumstances.

    Framer
    - Do you mean sheriff results, as there is no detective?
    - [HIDDEN] Again.. See investigator questions. Is HIDDEN in this case a tag or identifier like mayor/GF, or are you withholding information.

    Ambusher
    - Same question as crusader, '-2?'

    Hypnotist
    - [HIDDEN] ...
    - Can the hypnotist choose what feedback they give to their target, or is it randomised.
    - Can the hypnotist send more than 1 feedback response from the list to their target?
    - Does this role have charges, or can the hypnotist target someone each night.

    Neutral Evil
    - This needs some clarification as to what youre doing with this faction of the game

    OoO
    - Just some previously mentioned things about the doctor
    - The neutral evil having an ability activating 2nd in the order. Does this imply that the neut evil is a roleblocker? Is there more than 1 type of neut evil role, or does this confirm its a predetermined role.

    Special Mechanics
    - [HIDDEN] These need addressing. Putting multiple hiddens in different sections of the OoO is confusing.



    General notes
    - Really really need to clarify as much of the hidden meanings as you can in this setup.
    - I saw this on the docs, it is also covered in hiddens. You need to present a document where all of the 'hiddens' are uncensored so that this game can be properly checked for balance issues. I dont recommend sharing this document with anyone outside of the FM staff team either.
    - Once again, sorry about the delay, we're all quite busy, but we'll try to get this game up asap pending the clarifications.


    Monopoly of the Iced variety

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    Re: Hidden S-FM: Gachigasm

    Quote Originally Posted by Iced_Monopoly View Post
    First lookover -

    Typically a 'Hidden' setup implies the roles list is hidden and players dont know the composition or its ratio of roles, so im a little confused as to what part of your setup is 'hidden' besides maybe the neutral slot?
    The main part that’s “hidden” is the special mechanic and what the power roles can do
    Also in regards to hidden:
    why does the citizen role have a number of [HIDDEN]'s in it?
    Refer to the document, I think that you missed the bottom part. The top part is a copy/pasted version of what I put in the workshop, the bottom part reveals what the hidden things mean.

    Why does roles like mayor and GF have [HIDDEN] - what does this mean?
    refer to the document; you know what i’ll delete the part where it still says [hidden] in place of stuff so you’re directly at the part with explanations.
    What does it mean when an investigator can tell when someone is a hidden? Also this in conjunction with framer.
    the [HIDDEN] (white) is in place of some other text.
    Hypnotist?
    Neutral?
    OoO?
    refer to doc, sorry for confusion

    This is going to need a lot of clarification regarding the use of the word hidden, especially in regards to differentiating between information that is hidden from roles, a type used to detect roles, information hidden from the game, information from interactions etc.
    Easier seen on the document: [HIDDEN] (white) means there is a mechanic/result/text hidden, while [HIDDEN] (red) is the result of a janitor’s cleanings, that shows up in the graveyard.

    The numbers next to roles like vigi and crusader, are these representing the damage done to a role?
    yes
    If so, can Crusader kill godfather since vigi cant?
    yes
    Some roles have +1 defense in their card while others have +1 night immunity. Is there a difference between these two?
    no, there is no difference. Every role starts with +1 unless otherwise stated; if it hits 0 they die.
    Sheriff
    - Disguise immune roles appear as town. What constitutes disguise immune. Who is disguise immune. What does disguise immune mean given 'disguiser' intends to copycat town roles, who would already appear town to a sheriff?
    I think I meant to put discover* immune roles, nice catch
    Busdriver
    - There are already a number of roleblock immune targets. Does this role NEED to be RBI?
    No, it does not: however in lieu of the updated OoO I feel this is an important addition
    Veteran
    -Listed as RBI (Roleblock immune), but appears first in OoO, implying that he kills before anyone could roleblock him. Seems redundant. Recommend removing his RBI
    He cannot be roleblocked even on nights when he does not alert: possibly confirming him to a role blocker

    Bodyguard
    - I assume the bodyguard can only kill 1 attacker, so a double attack would still kill his charge?
    - Night vest on bodyguard, does that mean the bodyguard can survive an attack while still killing the attacker if the attacker has targetted his charge? or is it only for protecting the bodyguard from attacks on himself and not his charge?
    Yes, bodyguard can only kill 1 attacker, so a double attack would kill who he is guarding. IF: an attack occurs which would cause 2 damage to the person being guarded, the bodyguard kills off the attacker but the one being attacked will still die. What constitutes an attack: a player visiting another that would cause the person to lose 1 or more health/defense. 1 use night vest means you can protect yourself from being attacked for one night, you cannot guard another player for that night.

    Investigator
    - Back to the [HIDDEN] issues. What is meant by this card. Are you withholding what it is the investigator will receive in feedback, or are you implying he can see hidden roles like gf and mayor?
    meant to
    Sheriff
    - Again? I assume this is a typo for lookout?

    Mayor
    - The high vote count concerns me in this game given the number of PTRs who can potentially confirm themselves, leading to a town landslide. Would recommend dropping this vote to a +2
    I feel it should be somewhat difficult to confirm a town (check the full document) and it is furthermore only for a day

    Crusader
    - -2?
    Fixed: “deals -2” (also added to bodyguard role); does not protect the person in question, will not roleblock visitor, can kill ambusher. Fixed OoO

    Doctor
    - Can doctor use his self protection/healing abiltiy while simultaneously visiting someone to heal them?
    No
    - Does doctor self heal also provide +3 to doctor, or only +1? Looking for interactions with town killing town here.
    Think I’m going to change doctor to +1 immunity
    - If doctor is providing defense/Immunity to people, he should appear in OoO above killings, otherwise he'd be defending already dead players.
    Whoops :P

    Citizens
    - [HIDDEN] spam? What?
    See document >_<

    Mafia in general
    - If the mafia lose their killing role, how do they conduct night kills with their remaining roles?
    See document >_<


    Godfather
    - "Mafia will start with a killing role" "Will be sent for night kill if mafioso is role blocked". Can mafioso and GF be in the game together if mafia only starts with A killing role?
    See document >_<

    Consig
    - [HIDDEN]?
    See document >_<

    Disguiser
    - I assume this means that "Should a detective investigate this role, the results provided to the detective will be that of whomever the disguiser targetted previously"
    Yeah >_<
    - There is also no detective role in game, do you mean investigator? THere is no publicly revealed investigator card, so what kind of feedback does the disguiser present
    See document >_<
    - How many charges does this role have? If he is accidently bussed into disguising as a teammate, or unluckliy hits the neutral, can he change who he wants to copycat.
    No
    - Will this role be notified via feedback of what feedback he has copycatted? or will he have to blindly hope he hit town and then guess what he needs to claim if an investigator or sheriff calls him out as having specific feedback?
    That would make disguiser a bit overpowered:: he will not be notified via feedback

    Forger
    - Only ability is to alter last wills, something not everyone uses, and with the possibility of the role existing, something that people will probably dismiss entirely. In conjunction with the need to visit the dead player, can expose 2/3rd of the mafia team for little payoff. Would recommend giving this slot something else to make it less useless, or combining its ability with another mafia role and nerfing the role so as to not be OP.
    Honestly kind of there to act as a dud >_< maybe see the document

    Janitor
    - Yet another use of [HIDDEN] with a different meaning. This game needs a cleanup and clarification as to what hidden means in what circumstances.
    Fixing the colors so that any [HIDDEN] (white) means that information is being withheld, while only the [HIDDEN] by janitor represents what is being revealed when a player dies.

    Framer
    - Do you mean sheriff results, as there is no detective?
    sheriff/investigator*
    - [HIDDEN] Again.. See investigator questions. Is HIDDEN in this case a tag or identifier like mayor/GF, or are you withholding information.
    See document >_<

    Ambusher
    - Same question as crusader, '-2?'
    Deals. Crusader and ambusher can kill each other, can kill bodyguards, as it is RNG. (see updated OoO
    Hypnotist
    - [HIDDEN] ...
    See document >_<
    - Can the hypnotist choose what feedback they give to their target, or is it randomised.
    Can choose
    - Can the hypnotist send more than 1 feedback response from the list to their target?
    No, 1 feedback message max.
    - Does this role have charges, or can the hypnotist target someone each night.
    No limit on usage

    Neutral Evil
    - This needs some clarification as to what youre doing with this faction of the game
    See document >_<

    OoO
    - Just some previously mentioned things about the doctor
    - The neutral evil having an ability activating 2nd in the order. Does this imply that the neut evil is a roleblocker? Is there more than 1 type of neut evil role, or does this confirm its a predetermined role.
    See document >_<

    Special Mechanics
    - [HIDDEN] These need addressing. Putting multiple hiddens in different sections of the OoO is confusing.
    See document >_<

    General notes
    - Really really need to clarify as much of the hidden meanings as you can in this setup.
    - I saw this on the docs, it is also covered in hiddens. You need to present a document where all of the 'hiddens' are uncensored so that this game can be properly checked for balance issues. I dont recommend sharing this document with anyone outside of the FM staff team either.
    - Once again, sorry about the delay, we're all quite busy, but we'll try to get this game up asap pending the clarifications.
    ) thanks for the review, please refer to the document. If you need help accessing it, then just shoot me a message. I will resend the link to the document in a PM, with some updates. Thanks!

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