S-FM 210: Give or Take

[Calix]

@Mesk514 if you could kindly stop abusing the caps lock key, it would be appreciated.

Friendly reminder to keep hostilities slot-directed, not player-directed.

Wouldn't have surprised me at all if someone told you. Anyways...

Any concerns should be forwarded to the appropriate staff members.

[Mesk514]

Yeah, I'm not claiming anything. No need.

YOU DON'T NEED TO CLAIM ANYTHING. BUT LET IT BE KNOWN THAT BY UNKNOWN SAYING HE'S NOT SCUM HE'S CLAIMING A TPR SLOT.


i have no fucks to give if I'm outting you as a TPR.
anyone thats been following this game and has any sort of fucking logic (i.e Banana & Darkness) it's clear that the Citizen slots are full. Which is why EVERYONE SO SURE THAT AMONGST THE 3 CITIZEN SLOTS THERES STILL A FUCKING SCUM.

HAS IT NOT ALREADY BEEN SAID THAT IF SECONDPASSING IS NOT SCUM THAT EVEN I AGREE TO SHOOT EGGY. THATS HOW FUCKING CONFIDENT I AM THAT TITUS IS TOWN. I AM WILLING TO FUCKING LET EGGY, WHO I BELIEVE TO BE MORE TOWN OUT OF SECONDPASSING AND EGGY TO BE SHOT OVER TITUS, BECAUSE THERES SOMETHING THAT LEGITMENTALLY ALLOWS ME TO READ TITUS AS OPPOSED TO META WHICH ALLOWS ME TO TOWN READ EGGY.

[Mesk514]

@Mesk514 if you could kindly stop abusing the caps lock key, it would be appreciated.

Friendly reminder to keep hostilities slot-directed, not player-directed.



Any concerns should be forwarded to the appropriate staff members.

fine, will do.

And yeah, seriously. If you have any concerns about the legitimacy of my reads I highly suggest you just go straight to the point and report me. It can be easily shown i've been town reading Eggy since Day 1.

[Titus]

@Mesk, I get the strength of your read. I am frequently in your shoes.

The fact is, you're essentially giving scum the game if you're wrong. Yelling isn't going to work. We need 5 to lynch. We have 3 hours.

The yelling isn't effective. Arguments are. I know deadline is close but step back for 5 to 10 minutes.

We cannot keep no lynching. How do you propose we unite as a town?

[DarknessB]

@Mesk, I get the strength of your read. I am frequently in your shoes.

The fact is, you're essentially giving scum the game if you're wrong. Yelling isn't going to work. We need 5 to lynch. We have 3 hours.

The yelling isn't effective. Arguments are. I know deadline is close but step back for 5 to 10 minutes.

We cannot keep no lynching. How do you propose we unite as a town?

Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we have one day and three hours?

[DarknessB]

Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we have one day and three hours?

I.e. we're still in the first half of Day 3, not the second half.

[Titus]

The day started on August 28. Today is August 30th...

[DarknessB]

The day started on August 28. Today is August 30th...

It's actually August 29 (Monday). August 30 is Tuesday.

[Titus]

God I need sleep. Umm ignore the deadline thing. The uniting thing is still important.

[Titus]

Darkness, how do you propose we handle the situation? How can we get the toxicity level down without just having the guy who throws the biggest tantrum win?

[BananaCucho]

Jesus Christ

[DarknessB]

Darkness, how do you propose we handle the situation? How can we get the toxicity level down without just having the guy who throws the biggest tantrum win?

People need to make their case for SP, Eggy, or you, given that's our Citizen pool and at least one of you is lying. At the end of the day, that's where everyone's vote should be. I think there are enough people who will vote for either SP or Eggy in particular that we will get a lynch off.

Of note, yzb seems to have vanished from the face of the earth which concerns me, especially after he was very active the first two days of the game.

[Mesk514]

i have nothing left to say except for when i make my case against SP.

this accusation from Unknown about me cheating has made me so angry I wouldn't be surprised if I started bleeding out of my vagina.

tis all

peace

[Calix]

Due to several site issues, day will be extended by 25 hours. (31st August at 11PM GMT)

(this is for the host's convenience as well as the players, hence the long extension)

Countdown timer will be updated to reflect this.

[BananaCucho]

25 additional hours for eveeyone to lose their shit.

Bring it on.

[Mesk514]

25 additional hours for eveeyone to lose their shit.

Bring it on.

the only one who's remotely lost their shit is me.

[secondpassing]

I've never seen such an odd comment seeing as Titus has been one of your top picks all game. Is it because Eggy seems more viable?

I'm mostly basing this off of things he has said thus far.
My read on Eggy was never very strong, as he hadn't posted too much to analyze before.
The insistence of knowing what Banana was thinking indicated that he could not understand how in Banana's/Town's mind those three could have been confirmed to her.
Why would he get so upset about that?

I still read them both as scum, just Eggy has responded so much worse to pressure, if we could investigate a Titus train, that would also be great in my book.
So I pick Eggy for:

1. Overall scummy behavior // absence of town-like behavior
2. Poor response to pressure
3. Lack of town thought understanding



4. An emotional case made, not as much for the benefit of the town-- but for survival. Insults meant to belittle the cases made against him in lieu of a stronger push towards an alternative solution.

[Eggy]

This is a pointless argument. If you are scum, there is no "right" claim in this position, and you cannot go without having conflict.

If I was scum I wouldnt claim citizen?? I wouldnt claim at all???? No one asked me to claim why would I claim??

[Calix]

Edit function is not working so here's a link to the timer.

[Eggy]

How does Mesk's new role even slightly mean there should be reconsidering? Because a almost confirmed town is defending you?

Because we had it firgured out that 2 of the 4 cit claims were scum after mesk reclaimed we found out that only 1 was guaranteed scum so this is cause for reconsideration. Idk how you missed that.

[secondpassing]

If I can see this correctly, Banana is scum reading both me and Eggy? but Eggy more?
I do not see why she refuses to examine Titus.


One thing I learned from creating different setups with their claims (the colored thing with a long spoiler a few pages back)
is that Eggy and secondpassing should not be seen as a scum team. Even in your eyes, we should not both be scum due to the unlikeliness, and nature of the missing citizen claims.
This is supported by me reading YZB/DB/YZB as all town. I doubt I would have made two mistakes in town reading.

Should Eggy flip scum, I should not be shot. (I asked a question to the host, and you may want to be careful of thinking you can off both of us in the same day/night cycle.)
Should Eggy flip town, I should still not be shot, and Banana should consider shooting Titus.

It would be a tragedy if the magnitude of the scum read I have on Eggy is not correct and that Titus is scum.

[secondpassing]

If I can see this correctly, Banana is scum reading both me and Eggy? but Eggy more?
I do not see why she refuses to examine Titus.


One thing I learned from creating different setups with their claims (the colored thing with a long spoiler a few pages back)
is that Eggy and secondpassing should not be seen as a scum team. Even in your eyes, we should not both be scum due to the unlikeliness, and nature of the missing citizen claims.
This is supported by me reading YZB/DB/YZB as all town. I doubt I would have made two mistakes in town reading.

Should Eggy flip scum, I should not be shot. (I asked a question to the host, and you may want to be careful of thinking you can off both of us in the same day/night cycle.)
Should Eggy flip town, I should still not be shot, and Banana should consider shooting Titus.

It would be a tragedy if the magnitude of the scum read I have on Eggy is not correct and that Titus is scum.

[secondpassing]

If I was scum I wouldnt claim citizen?? I wouldnt claim at all???? No one asked me to claim why would I claim??

If you want to claim jailkeeper, be my guest.

[secondpassing]

If I was scum I wouldnt claim citizen?? I wouldnt claim at all???? No one asked me to claim why would I claim??

If you want to claim jailkeeper, be my guest.

[secondpassing]

Huh, things are double posting. I do double post, but this time it is not for emphasis.

[Eggy]

Your begging means nothing. As much as you like to believe you can flawlessly read Eggy, you have failed where most have remembered. You have 0 reason why he is town other then "HES MY FRIEND GUYZ I CAN READS HIM GUD" which is very similar to AI still. I don't agree with your vote.

She has never misread me once lol wtf are you talking about. Neither has NU I beleive my play is pretty goddamn transparent.

[Eggy]

You are the most annoying piece of shit I have ever talked to. You cannot expect anyone to listen to you when you call everyone retarded and give no reasoning as to why Eggy is town. It's that simple, and I am no where near retarded nor scum.

You are tho. SP is scum and is in my train titus is butthurt and is inly reason she voted me over SP you are hoping on a train without giving a reason. Thus you are scum or retarded. No one has even bothered to make a case on me because it is non existant it sofar its literally been I chose eggy over SP because he is an asshole which is NAI the reason I am so angry is because ive never been actively mislynched before and im sorry but this is sooo frustrating how the fck are you people scum reading me?

[BananaCucho]

Eenie meanie miney mo

[BananaCucho]

-vote secondpassing

[BananaCucho]

DarknessB (1 [L-4]):
yzb25
secondpassing (3 [L-2]):
BananaCucho, Mesk514, Eggy
Eggy (3 [L-2]):
secondpassing, Titus, MiniZed

[Eggy]

If I can see this correctly, Banana is scum reading both me and Eggy? but Eggy more?
I do not see why she refuses to examine Titus.


One thing I learned from creating different setups with their claims (the colored thing with a long spoiler a few pages back)
is that Eggy and secondpassing should not be seen as a scum team. Even in your eyes, we should not both be scum due to the unlikeliness, and nature of the missing citizen claims.
This is supported by me reading YZB/DB/YZB as all town. I doubt I would have made two mistakes in town reading.

Should Eggy flip scum, I should not be shot. (I asked a question to the host, and you may want to be careful of thinking you can off both of us in the same day/night cycle.)
Should Eggy flip town, I should still not be shot, and Banana should consider shooting Titus.

It would be a tragedy if the magnitude of the scum read I have on Eggy is not correct and that Titus is scum.

Lol look st you trying to escpae being shot please this guys needs more votes. You most definately should be shot. You scum read me off of nothing please MAKE A CASE present me with logical reasoning I have never reacted badly to pressure that is not my meta. I am onlycmad being I am town and am being considered for the lynch which is the first time this has ever happened when I was active. Only time I was ever mislynched I didnt use my night action and made only 2 posts

[Eggy]

If you want to claim jailkeeper, be my guest.

Why the fuck would I claim jailkeeper I am citizen stfu. I am saying why would I claim citizen when no one asked me to claim even though I knew very well that there were already 3 cit claims. I claimed because I knew someone was lying there was no scum perspectove for me to draw attention like that to myself anyone should be able to see that.

[Eggy]

There is most likely 2 scum on my train as we speak and im pretty sure its SP and Minized

[Titus]

-vote Second passing

Just found out I am taking an emergency road trip tomorrow. Won't be back until Wednesday. Will have a decent chunk of time but all phone posts.

[Titus]

-vote secondpassing

[Eggy]

Hold your vote who ever wants to hammer lets let this game play out. Hammer SP before EOD if he flips town shoot me if you want. Either way you will lynch the last cit alive tmrw if none of us flip scum which is a guaranteed scum kill pretty much. Then theres only 1 scum left so we still have a good chance of winning.

[secondpassing]

Should Eggy flip scum, I should not be shot. (I asked a question to the host, and you may want to be careful of thinking you can off both of us in the same day/night cycle.)

[BananaCucho]

Should Eggy flip scum, I should not be shot. (I asked a question to the host, and you may want to be careful of thinking you can off both of us in the same day/night cycle.)

Except it looks like you're gonna be the one getting lynched anyways

[secondpassing]

Lol look st you trying to escpae being shot please this guys needs more votes. You most definately should be shot. You scum read me off of nothing please MAKE A CASE present me with logical reasoning I have never reacted badly to pressure that is not my meta. I am onlycmad being I am town and am being considered for the lynch which is the first time this has ever happened when I was active. Only time I was ever mislynched I didnt use my night action and made only 2 posts

You were barely here the other days, you expect a full detailed analysis over the few posts you made a couple days ago?
You were only here to post when people were talking about lynching you.
You questioned BananaCucho because you did not understand her viewpoint? Why not? Because you are not town.
You simply accepted Mesk's town read of you. Was this not suspicious? What have you done to gain town cred before you she read you that way?
Do you attempt to gain information for all of us? Or do you simply address the things that are related to your survival?
Where have you showed an initiative to understand who and where town were? Where have you showed an initiative to see where your scum reads are?
How come your scum reads flip without progression?

If you can answer these things, or counter my case on you please do so.

[secondpassing]

Lol look st you trying to escpae being shot please this guys needs more votes. You most definately should be shot. You scum read me off of nothing please MAKE A CASE present me with logical reasoning I have never reacted badly to pressure that is not my meta. I am onlycmad being I am town and am being considered for the lynch which is the first time this has ever happened when I was active. Only time I was ever mislynched I didnt use my night action and made only 2 posts

You were barely here the other days, you expect a full detailed analysis over the few posts you made a couple days ago?
You were only here to post when people were talking about lynching you.
You questioned BananaCucho because you did not understand her viewpoint? Why not? Because you are not town.
You simply accepted Mesk's town read of you. Was this not suspicious? What have you done to gain town cred before you she read you that way?
Do you attempt to gain information for all of us? Or do you simply address the things that are related to your survival?
Where have you showed an initiative to understand who and where town were? Where have you showed an initiative to see where your scum reads are?
How come your scum reads flip without progression?

If you can answer these things, or counter my case on you please do so.

[secondpassing]

Except it looks like you're gonna be the one getting lynched anyways

So it seems.

It'd be much easier to reply to why people should not be on my train if I could understand why I am being voted.
What I get from Titus is that she thinks that I have been exhibiting scum tells; however, if she is town, she is tunneling me and refuses to see if I possibly could be town. If you, or anyone looks hard enough, anyone will look like scum under a tinted lens.
Mesk picked a up a post of mine that looked like it came from a scum perspective, and how unwilling I was to claim, and how townie Eggy is that she refuses to consider me as town. Not much I can do there.
Eggy thinks a citizen claimer is lying and that Titus is not the liar and nor is he so it is me. He used to town read me, so it is odd how he switched to me.

BananaCucho, would you elaborate on why you are voting me now?

[secondpassing]

Except it looks like you're gonna be the one getting lynched anyways

So it seems.

It'd be much easier to reply to why people should not be on my train if I could understand why I am being voted.
What I get from Titus is that she thinks that I have been exhibiting scum tells; however, if she is town, she is tunneling me and refuses to see if I possibly could be town. If you, or anyone looks hard enough, anyone will look like scum under a tinted lens.
Mesk picked a up a post of mine that looked like it came from a scum perspective, and how unwilling I was to claim, and how townie Eggy is that she refuses to consider me as town. Not much I can do there.
Eggy thinks a citizen claimer is lying and that Titus is not the liar and nor is he so it is me. He used to town read me, so it is odd how he switched to me.

BananaCucho, would you elaborate on why you are voting me now?

[secondpassing]

This double posting thing is annoying.

[BananaCucho]

I'm voting you because I don't like spammers. #DealWithIt

[Mesk514]

So it seems.

It'd be much easier to reply to why people should not be on my train if I could understand why I am being voted.
What I get from Titus is that she thinks that I have been exhibiting scum tells; however, if she is town, she is tunneling me and refuses to see if I possibly could be town. If you, or anyone looks hard enough, anyone will look like scum under a tinted lens.
Mesk picked a up a post of mine that looked like it came from a scum perspective, and how unwilling I was to claim, and how townie Eggy is that she refuses to consider me as town. Not much I can do there.
Eggy thinks a citizen claimer is lying and that Titus is not the liar and nor is he so it is me. He used to town read me, so it is odd how he switched to me.

BananaCucho, would you elaborate on why you are voting me now?

secondpassing, if you're not scum... please make a case why Titus is scum rather than you. There's no way i'd allow anyone to lynch Eggy. Him being shot, I'm okay with.

Titus on the other hand, I am opening to reconsidering if the case is justifiable.

[Titus]

@Mesk, what's the difference? Dead is dead right?

[Mesk514]

@Mesk, what's the difference? Dead is dead right?

Well in my mind eggys not scum. Although i doubt i can make a huge influence to get everyone on a titus train but it's a point i'd like to make. At this point in the game not being open about other scum possibilities makes it hard to town read you.

[Titus]

Well in my mind eggys not scum. Although i doubt i can make a huge influence to get everyone on a titus train but it's a point i'd like to make. At this point in the game not being open about other scum possibilities makes it hard to town read you.

That's thing, scum would be open to whatever saves their bacon. In the case of Eggy and SP, that means eliminating me or shading elsewhere. They just are obvious scum IMO.

Considering that's where mechanically scum are, why would I look elsewhere and risk outing the jailkeeper? Particularly when my PR reads are accurate?

[secondpassing]

secondpassing, if you're not scum... please make a case why Titus is scum rather than you. There's no way i'd allow anyone to lynch Eggy. Him being shot, I'm okay with.

Titus on the other hand, I am opening to reconsidering if the case is justifiable.

If you haven't picked up my statement about him/me being shot, then whatever, it wouldn't help with reads anyway.

Titus in a nutshell-

Titus- Reacted poorly to a pressure vote. Reactionary in a self-serving way. Throws shade on posts made against her by calling them shade. Refuses to quote her own posts. Disconnect between her thought and actions.

Spoiler : Case Why Titus is scum :

Trash? You are trash. Scum = Trash in the thesaurus. You bemoaning the fact is indicative that you know you are trash. That's simply the role you rolled this game, nothing personal. Everyone "coming to your defense" is made up. No one came to your defense, they simply pushed back at NU.

The site has an ISO feature that you fail to use. Try quoting. I already tried one quote, you can try the next.

To this point has still failed to pick out one of her own posts that "bleeds town emotion". She refuses to provide evidence of something she simply wants to dismiss, because it wasn't real in the first place.

Given that Never Unlucky accused you and flipped town...
Your thought is that people are town, your action is to kill them.

Trash's mindset:
I'm scum and they are all town, I need to kill them.

Does this equate? Answer- Yes.
Conclusion- Titus is scum.

If you were really concerned about the Truth, you would be an ardent defender of it.

Realized that NU was tunneling on her as town. Decided to kill him. Her thought =/= Actions. The equivalent of people not voting their scum reads.

01:26 PM-vote Titus
01:35 PM-vote "secondpassing"

Look at that convenient timing.

Unjustified vote back onto me. Also called an "OMGUS"

[secondpassing]

Funny thing is I already posted why I am town .
Doesn't hurt to repost a post I'm proud of.

Spoiler : I am town. :

First point, I didn't just "doubtcast". I CASTED DOUBT. I FELT doubt, and then I CASTED it. I was worried. From the way MiniZed was answering questions mechanically, I had reason to doubt.

Second point, I don't just have emotion when I play mafia, I use it. I don't simply wade through the game being caused to feel this way or that way-- I use it to convince others. Even if the words I type don't make sense logically, I've haven't yet had a person say they could not tell what I was feeling.

I AM TOWN, and you will know that I FEEL THIS WAY.
Now go die Titus.



Nothing behind secondpassing beyond shading? Get real.
I attempted to save Never Unlucky from the retarded reads that were going around him.
I didn't just inquire people about thought (notably MiniZed, Never Unlucky, Gingerape), I CREATED new thought. I opened the information flow by simply pressure voting you. If DarknessB is also town (he probably is) I do not understand why he does not scum read you. He personally said, "[it] made her look bad". Now let's turn it back towards you. Where have you inquire about thought?

It is not garbage, and this is shade, but you will fail to hide the light that I am. I am the privileged, I am the innocent. Now be purged.