S-FM 206: POLITICO

[Never Unlucky]

This is the second time you've defaulted to reasoning I've provided (on different questions, true) in first the setup thread and now the game thread. Why are you sheeping my thoughts so hard?

What if the Judge is scum?

I will sheep anyone's thoughts if I agree with them. Don't take this personally. Also, I did add a bit to your argument, so I don't think you can say I'm "sheeping". I'm contributing to your argument.

If the judge is scum, then that is another reason not to lynch the mayor. We cannot afford to mislynch a PR especially when we do not know how many scums there are and how many of them are PRs.

[Calix]

Not even two hours in and I can already sense that "dumb town or scum" is going to form the foundation of a lot of my reads.

[Mesk514]

We should focus on Mesk saying that 1 Congressman is evil when there is no confirmation.

not even 60 posts into game and you're already displaying signs of lack of common sense... what doofus that's town puts a vote on the mayor. Obviously Mayor can be scum, but still... cmon now, use your head.

[Never Unlucky]

hey guys, i just want to point out the obvious and say 1 of the congressman is evil

At first glance, it is what I had thought as well. Then I realized that we cannot make this assumption: in this setup, the corrupt players have no garanteed roles unlike other setups. For all we know, the scums could be 2-3 voters...

[Spruance]

wtf this game started already. Weren't the signups like 2 days ago?

[Calix]

not even 60 posts into game and you're already displaying signs of lack of common sense... what doofus that's town puts a vote on the mayor. Obviously Mayor can be scum, but still... cmon now, use your head.

Answer why it's 'obvious' that one Congressman is scum instead of making us repeat ourselves.

[Calix]

At first glance, it is what I had thought as well. Then I realized that we cannot make this assumption: in this setup, the corrupt players have no garanteed roles unlike other setups. For all we know, the scums could be 2-3 voters...

This comment is three sentences long despite it adding nothing to the conversation.

[Mesk514]

Answer why it's 'obvious' that one Congressman is scum instead of making us repeat ourselves.

what doofus that's town puts a vote on the mayor.

vote on mayor is a very untown thing to do.... duh

[Unknown1234]

vote on mayor is a very untown thing to do.... duh

States attorney bro.

[Calix]

vote on mayor is a very untown thing to do.... duh

The States Attorney voted for the Mayor.

Congressmen are the Masons of the game.

Your thought process makes no sense.

[Kovath]

I will sheep anyone's thoughts if I agree with them. Don't take this personally. Also, I did add a bit to your argument, so I don't think you can say I'm "sheeping". I'm contributing to your argument.

If the judge is scum, then that is another reason not to lynch the mayor. We cannot afford to mislynch a PR especially when we do not know how many scums there are and how many of them are PRs.

Well, one of the times you brought me up was from when I discussed the potential of the PRs at MYLO and LYLO from the setup thread - a really specific reference to bring my name in.

So your ultimate stance is that some might want to PL the Mayor, but you don't want to yourself?

[Spruance]

I'm going to read the setup brb

[Firebringer]

I am now here to deal in the evil politics.
I take all kinds of bribes from my politicians for realz.

[Spruance]

So like in overwatch everyone has town roles but there are 2-3 people with scum alignment?

[Firebringer]

With 12 Players alive, it takes 7 votes to hammer.

Eggy is the mayor with 2 votes.
Unknown1234 is the mayor with 0 votes.
Calix has been pardoned by the Governor, and cannot be lynched today.
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Why would Calix be pardoned unless someone wants to kiss her as!?!?!?!?
Must be the obvious decision.

I don't know if pardon is a required thing, but like. Its anti town to take off possible lynches for us?

[Calix]

The fact that Never Unlucky has a tendency of bringing up off-topic points, shoe-horned in that "he's so newb guise" awkwardly, and ignored my request for his reads (preferring to continue a largely irrelevant discussion with Kovath) strikes me as suspicious. It's much easier for scum to talk about theory and hypothetical situations than actual players.

My vote stays.

[Calix]

The fact that Never Unlucky has a tendency of bringing up off-topic points, shoe-horned in that "he's so newb guise" awkwardly, and ignored my request for his reads (preferring to continue a largely irrelevant discussion with Kovath) strikes me as suspicious. It's much easier for scum to talk about theory and hypothetical situations than actual players.

My vote stays.

[Spruance]

The fact that Never Unlucky has a tendency of bringing up off-topic points, shoe-horned in that "he's so newb guise" awkwardly, and ignored my request for his reads (preferring to continue a largely irrelevant discussion with Kovath) strikes me as suspicious. It's much easier for scum to talk about theory and hypothetical situations than actual players.

My vote stays.

#double posted

[Calix]

#double posted

Have any thoughts at all to share or are you just going to state the obvious?

[Spruance]

Have any thoughts at all to share or are you just going to state the obvious?

I'm still thinkin and readin geez

[Spruance]

Firebringer said that he takes bribes which is kind of a suspicious meta maybe. Kovath, neverunlucky and calix all being salty in their own way.

[Calix]

Firebringer said that he takes bribes which is kind of a suspicious meta maybe. Kovath, neverunlucky and calix all being salty in their own way.

'maybe' - So much conviction.

How is being salty alignment-indicative? If it isn't, why bring it up?

[Spruance]

'maybe' - So much conviction.

How is being salty alignment-indicative? If it isn't, why bring it up?

It's annoying

[Kovath]

Why would Calix be pardoned unless someone wants to kiss her as!?!?!?!?
Must be the obvious decision.

I don't know if pardon is a required thing, but like. Its anti town to take off possible lynches for us?

Do you think 'trying to kiss her as' has any bearing on what the Governor's alignment is?

[Calix]

It's annoying

That's nice to hear, child.

Got any actual reads though?

[Spruance]

That's nice to hear, child.

Got any actual reads though?

You are acting like you are confirmed just because a governor pardoned you.

[Calix]

You are acting like you are confirmed just because a governor pardoned you.

That's just my personality, dear. You should try it sometime.

Does 'acting like I'm confirmed' bother you and why?

[Spruance]

That's just my personality, dear. You should try it sometime.

Does 'acting like I'm confirmed' bother you and why?

Just seems overly aggressive.

[Calix]

Just seems overly aggressive.

This is a scum tell to you because...?

Could you just explain yourself more instead of making me waste time and posts on asking you these questions?

Firstly, it shows no initiative on your part. Secondly, you're putting me to sleep here.

[Kovath]

Just seems overly aggressive.

You've played with Calix already and say this...???



Also you avoided answering whether it bothered you or not.

[Never Unlucky]

Initial impressions on the players please.

So far

Calix: Town-read. Only one so far who's been pressuring players, namely Kovath, Unknown, Gyrlander and myself. She wants to make others talk a fair bit so she can make an appropriate read of them. Theorically, because scums know everyone's alignment, they wouldn't pressure others.

Mesk and Gyrlander: Null-read. Neither are contributing in my eyes, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're scum. Last game I played with them they acted the same way, so I am not too surprised with their behaviour. I need to read more of their posts to get a stronger read on both of them.

Kovath: Lean scum-read. He is answering some of Calix's questions by other questions. Deflecting is a common thing for scum to do. Also, he didn't seem happy that I "defaulted to reasoning he has provided" twice which seemed very strange to me. Why is he concerned that I'm trying to enrich the debate using his arguments as foundations?

Unknown: Null-read. Kind of repeated Calix's arguments, though he did add a bit of his as well. Only pressures Gyrlander - Pressuring is a good thing as I've stated earlier, but only pressuring one person could mean he is a scum wanting to get rid of a person quickly. Only 2 hours in though, he will probably pressure other ppl by the end of the day.


Keep in mind those are reads made after 2 hours of posting. Nothing is definitive. These are just observations.

[Firebringer]

Do you think 'trying to kiss her as' has any bearing on what the Governor's alignment is?

are you worried about my read on the governors alignment?
Like as in you want me to read them a certain way.

[Spruance]

This is a scum tell to you because...?

Could you just explain yourself more instead of making me waste time and posts on asking you these questions?

Firstly, it shows no initiative on your part. Secondly, you're putting me to sleep here.

If you were scum you would hide it very well on day 1. It just seems that you might be trying a little too hard to stay in character.

[Firebringer]

All I know right now calix is doing a good job of doing her "Angry/Annoyed Town" impersonation. Or maybe its genuine.
She can't fake it forever, so maybe she will slip up eventually if she is scum.

Either way she is adorbes right now. I want to pinch her little cheeks.

[Kovath]

So far

Calix: Town-read. Only one so far who's been pressuring players, namely Kovath, Unknown, Gyrlander and myself. She wants to make others talk a fair bit so she can make an appropriate read of them. Theorically, because scums know everyone's alignment, they wouldn't pressure others.

Mesk and Gyrlander: Null-read. Neither are contributing in my eyes, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're scum. Last game I played with them they acted the same way, so I am not too surprised with their behaviour. I need to read more of their posts to get a stronger read on both of them.

Kovath: Lean scum-read. He is answering some of Calix's questions by other questions. Deflecting is a common thing for scum to do. Also, he didn't seem happy that I "defaulted to reasoning he has provided" twice which seemed very strange to me. Why is he concerned that I'm trying to enrich the debate using his arguments as foundations?

Unknown: Null-read. Kind of repeated Calix's arguments, though he did add a bit of his as well. Only pressures Gyrlander - Pressuring is a good thing as I've stated earlier, but only pressuring one person could mean he is a scum wanting to get rid of a person quickly. Only 2 hours in though, he will probably pressure other ppl by the end of the day.


Keep in mind those are reads made after 2 hours of posting. Nothing is definitive. These are just observations.

Why make this comment and marginalize your own reads? We all know this is only based on a few hours of posts.

[Spruance]

All I know right now calix is doing a good job of doing her "Angry/Annoyed Town" impersonation. Or maybe its genuine.
She can't fake it forever, so maybe she will slip up eventually if she is scum.

Either way she is adorbes right now. I want to pinch her little cheeks.

That's not the impression I get rip

[Mesk514]

The States Attorney voted for the Mayor.

Congressmen are the Masons of the game.

Your thought process makes no sense.

Ahh then I apologize, I read the setuphigh and again when I woke up, I was under the impression congressmen can place an extra vote,... replace congressman with state attorney then

[Kovath]

are you worried about my read on the governors alignment?
Like as in you want me to read them a certain way.

You think the Governor is trying to kiss her ass, so I asked what you read from that, if anything.

[Calix]

Oh good, finally something substantial.

Theorically, because scums know everyone's alignment, they wouldn't pressure others.

This addition is odd. Scum would be forced to pressure other players because if they didn't, that would make for the most obvious scum tell ever. Use of 'theoretically' and the emphasis you added on it implies that even you realise that this is a flimsy point.

Mesk and Gyrlander: Null-read. Neither are contributing in my eyes, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're scum. Last game I played with them they acted the same way, so I am not too surprised with their behaviour. I need to read more of their posts to get a stronger read on both of them.

You saw some of the queries that players had over these two players - your thoughts on those?

This is also waffling in the sense that it takes you too many words to say "null" but might just be how you type. Shall check out AI overnight and see for myself.

Kovath: Lean scum-read. He is answering some of Calix's questions by other questions. Deflecting is a common thing for scum to do.

What do you make of my accusations that you yourself deflect?

Also, he didn't seem happy that I "defaulted to reasoning he has provided" twice which seemed very strange to me. Why is he concerned that I'm trying to enrich the debate using his arguments as foundations?

Why do you think Kovath's concern over you using his reasoning is 'strange'? How could it be scum-motivated in your eyes?

Unknown: Null-read. Kind of repeated Calix's arguments, though he did add a bit of his as well.

Again, this is what Kovath accused you of, meaning you should agree with Kovath's reasoning for his push on you. Yet you scum-read Kovath somewhat...please explain the differences between the two situations here.

Only pressures Gyrlander - Pressuring is a good thing as I've stated earlier, but only pressuring one person could mean he is a scum wanting to get rid of a person quickly. Only 2 hours in though, he will probably pressure other ppl by the end of the day.


Keep in mind those are reads made after 2 hours of posting. Nothing is definitive. These are just observations.

[Never Unlucky]

The fact that Never Unlucky has a tendency of bringing up off-topic points, shoe-horned in that "he's so newb guise" awkwardly, and ignored my request for his reads (preferring to continue a largely irrelevant discussion with Kovath) strikes me as suspicious. It's much easier for scum to talk about theory and hypothetical situations than actual players.

My vote stays.

I did not ignore your request for reads, I only took my time to write them down.

You are the one who's putting emphasis on me mentioning that I am a noob as a joke. I never used this as an argument to defend myself nor to ask other players not to pressure me. Really, you are cherry-picking my first post and making a big deal with it.

I do not see how any of my posts are off-topic. I've always been replying to yours directly, answering every question/concern you had for me. If my posts are off-topic, your questions are off-topic as well.

[Calix]

If you were scum you would hide it very well on day 1. It just seems that you might be trying a little too hard to stay in character.

That's not the impression I get rip

You don't get to make snarky insinuations when you've provided no evidence for anything, or even gone as far as to say "Calix is a scum-read"

Do you think I am scum or not? Be direct please.

[Spruance]

You don't get to make snarky insinuations when you've provided no evidence for anything, or even gone as far as to say "Calix is a scum-read"

Do you think I am scum or not? Be direct please.

How would I have enough evidence to think you were anything...

[Firebringer]

You think the Governor is trying to kiss her ass, so I asked what you read from that, if anything.

my initial gut says its someone trying to get town points for making a "strong town" unlynchable. That assumes two things though, that the governor is scum and Calix is town.

It could be nothing, and its just a stupid thery of mine right now. But I am not giving any twn points t that poerson.
also my keyboard sucks right now.

[Calix]

I did not ignore your request for reads, I only took my time to write them down.

You are the one who's putting emphasis on me mentioning that I am a noob as a joke. I never used this as an argument to defend myself nor to ask other players not to pressure me. Really, you are cherry-picking my first post and making a big deal with it.

I do not see how any of my posts are off-topic. I've always been replying to yours directly, answering every question/concern you had for me. If my posts are off-topic, your questions are off-topic as well.

Given that you continued to talk with Kovath, it's reasonable to assume that you had ignored them.

Yes, because the way that you did it struck me as unnatural. Call me pedantic all you like but I consider it as a way of mitigating any future scum tells as "just a noob" - of course we'll have to see wherever I am correct in that assumption.

I was referring to your early tendency of making odd remarks that diverted from the original topic at hand. You also state the obvious frequently; Kovath's remark about the last line of your reads is the most recent example of this.

[Firebringer]

if anyone knows any valid method of reading spruance I am all ears, I just always assume he is VI.

[Calix]

How would I have enough evidence to think you were anything...

You don't. Nobody does.

If you think I've said something suspicious, ask me about it. Apply this to all of your other scum-reads/ leans if you have any at the moment.

And if you're not confident about it being me, then answer this. If you had to pick one other person who has posted as being scum, who would you pick and why?

No shame in having flimsy reasons - it's the early stage after all.

[Spruance]

You don't. Nobody does.

If you think I've said something suspicious, ask me about it. Apply this to all of your other scum-reads/ leans if you have any at the moment.

And if you're not confident about it being me, then answer this. If you had to pick one other person who has posted as being scum, who would you pick and why?

No shame in having flimsy reasons - it's the early stage after all.

Idk I probably won't post any reads until everyone has posted.

[Calix]

Idk I probably won't post any reads until everyone has posted.

wut

Why would you need everyone else to post before you give reads? Explain please.

[Spruance]

wut

Why would you need everyone else to post before you give reads? Explain please.

They can change easily? The mafia are on a team together so it is important to analyze people's relationships with each other as well.

[Kovath]

They can change easily? The mafia are on a team together so it is important to analyze people's relationships with each other as well.

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