7 of my friends changed gender today

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

lol, i was medicated for most of those things as a child... and then people wonder why i ended up being a substance abuser...

Why would they medicate perfection? <3

[Lysergic]

Seriously last warning, guys. Keep it civil or thread gets locked and infractions get handed out.

[Mesk514]

Why would they medicate perfection? <3

i was very hyper active... compulsive some may say... impulsive maybe?

[Quick]

1. You stated in this conversation you are seen as open minded. I'm telling you, you're not. The fact I know this because we've offered scientific data, and you will not budge on your opinion. You will not research, you will do nothing to seek the truth. Open minded people seek the truth in all instances. They also accept when they are wrong.

2. I'm not even offended by your ideas. I have friends who are very conservative, and they don't believe in gay marriage. But I can have conversations with them, and they can take what I'm saying and consider it. You on the other hand are dismissing everything out of hand because you think you know more than the psychological community. I'm also a realist, and let's be real, your opinion is warped by either your conservative upbringing or your religion.

3. Tell me where the psychological community did this? Tell me which studies prove this. Tell me where it is published and supported by the APA (American Psychological Association) that they've "just given up on trans people accepting something is wrong with them." See this is where you just prove to me you cant be reasoned with, given objective truth, you rationalize it to fit the narrative you've created "transgender is a sickness". It's not, and the APA and the DSM V say it's not. So all the psychologists got together and said "WE CANT REASON WITH THOSE TRANSGENDER FOLKS LETS JUST REMOVE THE DISORDER FROM THE DSM." ...No what probably happened is they looked at years of research on trans issues and came up with the notion that perhaps being transgendered is not a disorder, and should not be classified as one. The APA does not just "give up" and change things. The fact that this is the BEST rationalization you could come up with, and still think plausible, is quite frankly, frightening.

4. I won't even dignify this with a response.

5. Suicide rates are high for transgender people because of people like you and others in this thread that have reduced them to nothing more than a chemical imbalance, moral and religious abandon, and perversion. (Not all of you have said this, but enough have said shit like this.) Societal fear, and the push for trans people to "be" or "act" normal is what causes them to commit suicide. It's the same reason suicide rates for LGBTQ+ people are higher than straight teens, because, society is full of assholes who have closed minded opinions. Bullying, and other bullshit that goes on in this world to tell LGBTQ+ people they're abnormal is what causes depression, and self harm, self hatred etc. Almost every gay person or trans person or what have you that has come out of the closet, and lived their truest selves, have reported being the most happy they've ever been, as long as they've had support. Support is growing, and people's perceptions are changing, so gay people don't ever have to be in a closet to begin with (hopefully)... so...yeah....your point about suicide rates, also backed by science and data, shows that society's perception of trans people is the cause of suicide, not being trans.

1. Fine, think what you want of me. I'll just say ideas are what I care about more than "facts."

2. I am only appearing different from them because either they are being overly polite to you or its because you are friends with them irl which clouds your judgement. They might listen to you, but do you really think they are going to change their minds? I know the church and I know the stance they should take on the issue. You need to relax. I said nothing that should offend you in my engagement with you. Yeah, it kinda perturbs me that people decide they are going to have an operation to change their genitalia. I don't think I'm the only one who thinks this, I just have the balls to say it in front of ya'll and I don't got to be false or sugar coat it at all in the words of eminem. And I'm agnostic, so you're totally wrong there.

3. Oh, ofc they would say why they did that No, lets be real here. They can't call it a disorder because then people like you will throw a fit and say they don't believe in equality.

4. K, I suppose that just means you don't know how to respond.

5. Err.. Why is chemical imbalance such a terrible thing? I mean... how dare I say they have a chemical imbalance, that's just too terrible of a thing to say they have that wrong with them. I mean, that's a problem with the brain and we all know persons with mental illness are not normal so we wouldn't want to group them with that crowd. How do you know that its society that has that effect on them and not because of what they already suffer from? And honestly, if you want to wrap up my argument to mean I am being a bully, then you need help yourself.

[PowersThatBe]

You literally contradict everything you argue against quick by saying "I just know you cheat, there is no way you can do it" Link one replay where I cheat, please do it. If the whole staff "knows" I cheat it should be easy. Please I will love to further embarrass you further then you do your entire family. There is a reason im the pro gamer, and you are nothing. You just assume things, even now you are saying I was trolling, when I am telling you for a fact, I was not.

I realize you are a failure at everything in life, but please prove here that I hack, until then continue being an idiot. For the record I did say to lynch voss, and pod day1, and my town circle was 6/6 towns. I played fine, some mistakes could have improved on, but overall it was fine.

transgendered is an illness, sorry bruh.

I didn't say I "just know you cheat." There is a ton of evidence to suggest that you cheated in those games. The majority of staff agreed, but with out solid evidence, i.e. you admitting it, it's very hard to prove. However, I'd say after your 3rd report of someone reporting you for hacking (wasn't the only one). I would have friend you, but given your lucky timing, given that another case for hacking was mishandled before yours, staff decided to air on the side of caution "he'll hang himself later." Oh, that and other members of staff pointing out how you flip out like you're doing in this thread, and they didn't even want to deal with it. You saying 'prove I hack" hack in this thread is so stupid because literally, I don't have access to any of the replays anymore, so yeah. You call people out on their correct roles like 3 games in a row, and somehow you just guess correctly every time. Right....

Also, your word means little. If you were being sincere, sorry that I didn't believe you. But to be honest, you have a reputation, and you've continued to show that rep to be true throughout this thread. There really is no one to blame but yourself.

Basically, you were the joke of staff for a long while. "Hur dur, pro gamer." and all that bullshit. Do you even stream bro? Do you get checks? Which games are you pro on? Who is your affiliate? Sponsor?

Not an illness. You've provided no data to say otherwise, and all data supports my assertion.

[ThePaladin]

Seriously last warning, guys. Keep it civil or thread gets locked and infractions get handed out.

Seriously guys, there are some people who are interested in hearing people's views on these issues.

Don't ruin it for the rest of us.

If all you are going to do is insult each other then please politely don't reply to posts or answer them with a simple. I don't agree but don't care to debate with you any further.

[SuperJack]

If you are going to argue. Do it off the forums.

[ThePaladin]

Out of curiousity.

If we/society eventually completely scrapped gender roles(so basically gender), would people still be inclined to change their sex, since they no longer would be associating as a different gender since there are no longer gender's?

If that makes sense, can't word it right.

I'd like it if someone besides Quick gave their opinions on this.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

I didn't say I "just know you cheat." There is a ton of evidence to suggest that you cheated in those games. The majority of staff agreed, but with out solid evidence, i.e. you admitting it, it's very hard to prove. However, I'd say after your 3rd report of someone reporting you for hacking (wasn't the only one). I would have friend you, but given your lucky timing, given that another case for hacking was mishandled before yours, staff decided to air on the side of caution "he'll hang himself later." Oh, that and other members of staff pointing out how you flip out like you're doing in this thread, and they didn't even want to deal with it. You saying 'prove I hack" hack in this thread is so stupid because literally, I don't have access to any of the replays anymore, so yeah. You call people out on their correct roles like 3 games in a row, and somehow you just guess correctly every time. Right....

Also, your word means little. If you were being sincere, sorry that I didn't believe you. But to be honest, you have a reputation, and you've continued to show that rep to be true throughout this thread. There really is no one to blame but yourself.

Basically, you were the joke of staff for a long while. "Hur dur, pro gamer." and all that bullshit. Do you even stream bro? Do you get checks? Which games are you pro on? Who is your affiliate? Sponsor?

Not an illness. You've provided no data to say otherwise, and all data supports my assertion.

I don't play for money, and I only stream privately for friends. I am sponsored, but that means nothing. I am the best in the country at WC3 for the past 6 years, and ~top 10-15 for sc2.

Please post any evidence, or have the staff get the replays. It isn't guessing roles, it is skill, something you do not have.

[PowersThatBe]

1. Fine, think what you want of me. I'll just say ideas are what I care about more than "facts."

2. I am only appearing different from them because either they are being overly polite to you or its because you are friends with them irl which clouds your judgement. They might listen to you, but do you really think they are going to change their minds? I know the church and I know the stance they should take on the issue. You need to relax. I said nothing that should offend you in my engagement with you. Yeah, it kinda perturbs me that people decide they are going to have an operation to change their genitalia. I don't think I'm the only one who thinks this, I just have the balls to say it in front of ya'll and I don't got to be false or sugar coat it at all in the words of eminem. And I'm agnostic, so you're totally wrong there.

3. Oh, ofc they would say why they did that No, lets be real here. They can't call it a disorder because then people like you will throw a fit and say they don't believe in equality.

4. K, I suppose that just means you don't know how to respond.

5. Err.. Why is chemical imbalance such a terrible thing? I mean... how dare I say they have a chemical imbalance, that's just too terrible of a thing to say they have that wrong with them. I mean, that's a problem with the brain and we all know persons with mental illness are not normal so we wouldn't want to group them with that crowd. How do you know that its society that has that effect on them and not because of what they already suffer from? And honestly, if you want to wrap up my argument to mean I am being a bully, then you need help yourself.

2. Nope, I've gotten into all out yelling matches with friends before. However, some of my more intelligent but conservative friends have admitted that our conversations have allowed them to see the issues from different perspectives. And yes, I have moved a few people/educated them on things they didn't know about. Because they're not allergic to facts and data and the actual research that goes into developing these ideas or notions. Were you raised conservative/do you have conservative values? Because I said one of the two was true, not both, i.e. conservative vs church.

3. No they said it was a disorder, then studied it for years, and then made the determination that it is not a disorder. As they did with homosexuality. I know this in part because I have a degree is psychology. So it really is funny to me watching you talk all this nonsense and be way off the mark.

4. No I know how to respond, I just chose not to respond to that particular idea of yours because it was so rooted in your ignorance that there was nothing I could do to untangle that web.

5. Except it's not a mental illness and you saying it is, doesn't make it so. I didn't say you were a bully actually, I said there are bullies out there and they are the problem. I said people who think like you, are the reason there is suicide in the LGBTQ community, because unfortunately not everyone who thinks like you can be civil and kind in their reasoning.

[SuperJack]

I'd like it if someone besides Quick gave their opinions on this.

Ok:

I don't care. As long as you are un-selfishly happy. Anything can be seen as an "illness". Life is an illness to which death is the cure.

[ThePaladin]

I don't play for money, and I only stream privately for friends. I am sponsored, but that means nothing. I am the best in the country at WC3 for the past 6 years, and ~top 10-15 for sc2.

Please post any evidence, or have the staff get the replays. It isn't guessing roles, it is skill, something you do not have.

I don't believe I've seen your name as a finalist in any major tournaments?

https://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Greatest_Players_of_All_Time

https://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/standings
https://us.battle.net/sc2/en/ladder/g...cy-of-the-void

[ThePaladin]

Ok:

I don't care. As long as you are un-selfishly happy. Anything can be seen as an "illness". Life is an illness to which death is the cure.

Umm, I meant what I quoted in that post.

[PowersThatBe]

I don't play for money, and I only stream privately for friends. I am sponsored, but that means nothing. I am the best in the country at WC3 for the past 6 years, and ~top 10-15 for sc2.

Please post any evidence, or have the staff get the replays. It isn't guessing roles, it is skill, something you do not have.

Yes it's skill to be a doctor and to KNOW people's exact roles D1 during chat. RIGHT. Because skill will get you there every single time. Give me a break.

You're so delusional.

[ThePaladin]

@PlzLeaveDuck @PowersThatBe

https://webchat.freenode.net/

If you guys want to keep attacking each other then please do it off site

IRC chat service above.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Yes it's skill to be a doctor and to KNOW people's exact roles D1 during chat. RIGHT. Because skill will get you there every single time. Give me a break.

You're so delusional.

You are the delusional one. I will give you some basic examples.

Start of day 2, player 1 whispers to play 2.

They are lookout asking what happened to them
They are auditor who found a mafia
They are witch who found an evil killing
They are consigliere with an exact role check telling their godfather

If I claim sheriff and say 1 is triad, and they respond " what, why me, I am not triad", they have just admitted to being either neutral killing or neutral evil.

Players on the mod are not good enough to avoid subtle mafia slips that are NAI in higher level games. If you push on someone, and someone else hard deflects they are aligned. If you call someone out and they say why me, they are probably mafia.

If I call someone mafia, and they call me a hacker, they are godfather.

These are very basic level tells, and can be done by even the average player. It is more than just what and how people say things, but WHEN they do them.

[PowersThatBe]

@PlzLeaveDuck @PowersThatBe

https://webchat.freenode.net/

If you guys want to keep attacking each other then please do it off site

IRC chat service above.

Eh, let us do us. Thanks though, there is private chat or skype mate. I appreciate what you're trying to do, but tbh this topic should have been locked 6 pages ago.

[PowersThatBe]

You are the delusional one. I will give you some basic examples.

Start of day 2, player 1 whispers to play 2.

They are lookout asking what happened to them
They are auditor who found a mafia
They are witch who found an evil killing
They are consigliere with an exact role check telling their godfather

If I claim sheriff and say 1 is triad, and they respond " what, why me, I am not triad", they have just admitted to being either neutral killing or neutral evil.

Players on the mod are not good enough to avoid subtle mafia slips that are NAI in higher level games. If you push on someone, and someone else hard deflects they are aligned. If you call someone out and they say why me, they are probably mafia.

If I call someone mafia, and they call me a hacker, they are godfather.

These are very basic level tells, and can be done by even the average player. It is more than just what and how people say things, but WHEN they do them.

Literally not even what happened. Sure those are great tells, and I often use those as well, of course. I'll agree players aren't subtle.

You said "you're dragon head." And he flipped dragon head. But that's so off topic here. Also respond to Paladins post about how you are conveniently left off the top 15 of sc2.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Literally not even what happened. Sure those are great tells, and I often use those as well, of course. I'll agree players aren't subtle.

You said "you're dragon head." And he flipped dragon head. But that's so off topic here. Also respond to Paladins post about how you are conveniently left off the top 15 of sc2.

I would need the replay to see why I did what I did, obviously.

as for the sc2 thing, that is a global tournament that I do not play in. It requires you to play ladder, and I enjoy just going to events and tournaments more than grinding ladder.

[Quick]

2. Nope, I've gotten into all out yelling matches with friends before. However, some of my more intelligent but conservative friends have admitted that our conversations have allowed them to see the issues from different perspectives. And yes, I have moved a few people/educated them on things they didn't know about. Because they're not allergic to facts and data and the actual research that goes into developing these ideas or notions. Were you raised conservative/do you have conservative values? Because I said one of the two was true, not both, i.e. conservative vs church.

3. No they said it was a disorder, then studied it for years, and then made the determination that it is not a disorder. As they did with homosexuality. I know this in part because I have a degree is psychology. So it really is funny to me watching you talk all this nonsense and be way off the mark.

4. No I know how to respond, I just chose not to respond to that particular idea of yours because it was so rooted in your ignorance that there was nothing I could do to untangle that web.

5. Except it's not a mental illness and you saying it is, doesn't make it so. I didn't say you were a bully actually, I said there are bullies out there and they are the problem. I said people who think like you, are the reason there is suicide in the LGBTQ community, because unfortunately not everyone who thinks like you can be civil and kind in their reasoning.

2. My upbringing has little if anything to do with my views. I've thought out the issue and come to my own conclusion about it. I don't like yelling, it gives me bad memories. I said before I was R|C|Uex before. The |C| means my dominant characteristic is that I am calm. Believe me when I tell you I know what trauma is, I am just averse to flying off the handle. Care to guess how repeatable psychological studies are? I'll give you a hint, its not good.

3. Unless you have your masters or more, I am not confident in the knowledge that you provide me with. I hate to say this, but getting your bachelors in psychology doesn't make you an expert, unfortunately. I've had caseworkers who know less than I do about mental illness. I also volunteer at a non-profit called NAMI which I'm sure you've heard of if you have a degree in psychology. I get enough info on mental illness actually. My best friend has Bipolar, and like I said I have Schizoaffective Disorder, which you may or may not have heard of. If you haven't heard of it, I encourage you to look it up. Its basically a mix between Bipolar and Schizophrenia, but not enough for a dual diagnosis.

4. K, I don't believe you, but fine.

5. I still think its a problem that is avoided. Sexuality is something that is hard to quantify.. for all intents and purposes, yeah, its not a disability, but it is disabling.

[Mesk514]

the two people i love the most in this community are fighting, i'm going to put my money on duck for this one.

[Yukitaka Oni]

320 replies....the war continues v)x.o)> v(o.o(v

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Literally not even what happened. Sure those are great tells, and I often use those as well, of course. I'll agree players aren't subtle.

You said "you're dragon head." And he flipped dragon head. But that's so off topic here. Also respond to Paladins post about how you are conveniently left off the top 15 of sc2.

Also why is it okay to cherry pick games I play well in, and ignore the games I make mistakes in? You ignore the games as a whole, and look at the games where I am correct.

If there are 100 balls in a bag and I tell you I am for sure going to pull out the one white ball, if I did it 1 million times I would be correct 10,000 times. If you only see the 10,000 times I pull out the white ball, it is not a fair representation of what happened.

For example, I just played a game with mesk and mugy.

I am lookout, roleblocked two nights inarow.

Day starts, I claim sheriff with a red check on 12. He claims bodyguard and I cancel my vote, town lynches 4 for some reason, he flips serial killer.
Day 2 starts, I lynch mesk(escort) who I was so sure of was liasion for roleblocking a claimed sheriff two nights in a row, and not claiming that my red check on 12 had to be fake because I was roleblocked.

If I was hacking, this never happens. So do you think I only hack some games, or that I purposefully lose games to make it less obvious?

Another recent game I told balthy at start of day 1 that 1=godfather 6=beguiler 11=interrogator, (real flips were 1=godfather 6=consort 11=interrogator)
and another game I was completely wrong. Why do we not factor in both?

I became known because of my investigations/catching hackers in ladder games of wc3 and some in sc2. You, and this mod team have NO IDEA how to identify and catch real hackers. One of the mods literally stated in the appeal thread "there is no way a veteran could know this", literally the most idiotic thing I have ever heard in my life. There is a reason good players favor citizen only games, because roles shouldnt be needed to play the game.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Also why is it okay to cherry pick games I play well in, and ignore the games I make mistakes in? You ignore the games as a whole, and look at the games where I am correct.

If there are 100 balls in a bag and I tell you I am for sure going to pull out the one white ball, if I did it 1 million times I would be correct 10,000 times. If you only see the 10,000 times I pull out the white ball, it is not a fair representation of what happened.

For example, I just played a game with mesk and mugy.

I am lookout, roleblocked two nights inarow.

Day starts, I claim sheriff with a red check on 12. He claims bodyguard and I cancel my vote, town lynches 4 for some reason, he flips serial killer.
Day 2 starts, I lynch mesk(escort) who I was so sure of was liasion for roleblocking a claimed sheriff two nights in a row, and not claiming that my red check on 12 had to be fake because I was roleblocked.

If I was hacking, this never happens. So do you think I only hack some games, or that I purposefully lose games to make it less obvious?

Another recent game I told balthy at start of day 1 that 1=godfather 6=beguiler 11=interrogator, (real flips were 1=godfather 6=consort 11=interrogator)
and another game I was completely wrong. Why do we not factor in both?

I became known because of my investigations/catching hackers in ladder games of wc3 and some in sc2. You, and this mod team have NO IDEA how to identify and catch real hackers. One of the mods literally stated in the appeal thread "there is no way a veteran could know this", literally the most idiotic thing I have ever heard in my life. There is a reason good players favor citizen only games, because roles shouldnt be needed to play the game.

Red is always mafia----Unknown veteran wise word.....v)x.o)> v(o.o(v

[PowersThatBe]

Also why is it okay to cherry pick games I play well in, and ignore the games I make mistakes in? You ignore the games as a whole, and look at the games where I am correct.

If there are 100 balls in a bag and I tell you I am for sure going to pull out the one white ball, if I did it 1 million times I would be correct 10,000 times. If you only see the 10,000 times I pull out the white ball, it is not a fair representation of what happened.

For example, I just played a game with mesk and mugy.

I am lookout, roleblocked two nights inarow.

Day starts, I claim sheriff with a red check on 12. He claims bodyguard and I cancel my vote, town lynches 4 for some reason, he flips serial killer.
Day 2 starts, I lynch mesk(escort) who I was so sure of was liasion for roleblocking a claimed sheriff two nights in a row, and not claiming that my red check on 12 had to be fake because I was roleblocked.

If I was hacking, this never happens. So do you think I only hack some games, or that I purposefully lose games to make it less obvious?

Another recent game I told balthy at start of day 1 that 1=godfather 6=beguiler 11=interrogator, (real flips were 1=godfather 6=consort 11=interrogator)
and another game I was completely wrong. Why do we not factor in both?

I became known because of my investigations/catching hackers in ladder games of wc3 and some in sc2. You, and this mod team have NO IDEA how to identify and catch real hackers. One of the mods literally stated in the appeal thread "there is no way a veteran could know this", literally the most idiotic thing I have ever heard in my life. There is a reason good players favor citizen only games, because roles shouldnt be needed to play the game.

I spoke about games I observed.

[ThePaladin]

Eh, let us do us. Thanks though, there is private chat or skype mate. I appreciate what you're trying to do, but tbh this topic should have been locked 6 pages ago.

The problem is there are other people who are genuinely interested in other's opinions.

And by both of yours behavior you are going to get the discussion shut down for those who aren't participating in your back and forth.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

I spoke about games I observed.

That is the problem. On staff, you were observing games people think are suspicious, aka I played well, games I fuck up and are wrong are obviously not reported. Hence the point of the ball in a bag analogy. You are only seeing the times I am correct, and not the majority where I am wrong.

The problem is there are other people who are genuinely interested in other's opinions.

And by both of yours behavior you are going to get the discussion shut down for those who aren't participating in your back and forth.

Hacking is a very serious allegation, and I think it is reasonable for a person to kindly ask for proof on such a serious allegation stated publicly. I am sorry it derails your conversation, and it is not what my intentions are. If you have anything specific you want my opinion on ask away and I will give you a serious response.

[Quick]

The problem is there are other people who are genuinely interested in other's opinions.

And by both of yours behavior you are going to get the discussion shut down for those who aren't participating in your back and forth.

FWIW I appreciate your level headedness in this and your action to do something about it.

[PowersThatBe]

2. My upbringing has little if anything to do with my views. I've thought out the issue and come to my own conclusion about it. I don't like yelling, it gives me bad memories. I said before I was R|C|Uex before. The |C| means my dominant characteristic is that I am calm. Believe me when I tell you I know what trauma is, I am just averse to flying off the handle. Care to guess how repeatable psychological studies are? I'll give you a hint, its not good.

3. Unless you have your masters or more, I am not confident in the knowledge that you provide me with. I hate to say this, but getting your bachelors in psychology doesn't make you an expert, unfortunately. I've had caseworkers who know less than I do about mental illness. I also volunteer at a non-profit called NAMI which I'm sure you've heard of if you have a degree in psychology. I get enough info on mental illness actually. My best friend has Bipolar, and like I said I have Schizoaffective Disorder, which you may or may not have heard of. If you haven't heard of it, I encourage you to look it up. Its basically a mix between Bipolar and Schizophrenia, but not enough for a dual diagnosis.

4. K, I don't believe you, but fine.

5. I still think its a problem that is avoided. Sexuality is something that is hard to quantify.. for all intents and purposes, yeah, its not a disability, but it is disabling.

2. Up brining has an effect, whether subconscious.

3. What you've demonstrated here with reason and thought on the subject of transgender issues, I doubt you "knew more" than your caseworkers etc. I'm glad you volunteer, good for you. Merely volunteering somewhere doesn't make you more informed or less informed. You can know about your mental illness, sure, but don't project your feelings and mentality onto a group of people. The people who are experts have spoken on the matter, and their findings show that being transgender is not a disorder. You are using your crappy experience with mental health professionals as the basis to which you rationalize why you have little value in the APA. You made a bunch of baseless claims earlier.

5. Society is the problem, not the gender identity or sexuality.

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[PowersThatBe]

That is the problem. On staff, you were observing games people think are suspicious, aka I played well, games I fuck up and are wrong are obviously not reported. Hence the point of the ball in a bag analogy. You are only seeing the times I am correct, and not the majority where I am wrong.



Hacking is a very serious allegation, and I think it is reasonable for a person to kindly ask for proof on such a serious allegation stated publicly. I am sorry it derails your conversation, and it is not what my intentions are. If you have anything specific you want my opinion on ask away and I will give you a serious response.

you've contributed nothing to the actual conversation. Just stop posting. No one cares if you hack or not, you might, you might not. If you do you'll get caught eventually. If you don't, pat yourself on your back that you weren't perma'd.

At the end of the day, all of you've done is try to get me into an off topic fight. PM me to continue this conversation. Either add to the larger conversation, without trying to pick a fight, or stop posting. Please. Thank you.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

you've contributed nothing to the actual conversation. Just stop posting. No one cares if you hack or not, you might, you might not. If you do you'll get caught eventually. If you don't, pat yourself on your back that you weren't perma'd.

At the end of the day, all of you've done is try to get me into an off topic fight. PM me to continue this conversation. Either add to the larger conversation, without trying to pick a fight, or stop posting. Please. Thank you.

I have tried, and you attacked the questions or ignored them.

When you told quick being transgendered is not weird, I asked you what you deem to be weird? Do you have an answer or?

[Mesk514]

you've contributed nothing to the actual conversation. Just stop posting. No one cares if you hack or not, you might, you might not. If you do you'll get caught eventually. If you don't, pat yourself on your back that you weren't perma'd.

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[BananaCucho]

Hey PTB no point in continuing to argue with the bigots. They don't want to understand because being ignorant is easy and comfortable. Save yourself the trouble.

[BananaCucho]

Also wtf are you guys even arguing about anymore

[PowersThatBe]

I have tried, and you attacked the questions or ignored them.

When you told quick being transgendered is not weird, I asked you what you deem to be weird? Do you have an answer or?

When someone says something is weird, it's not typically a compliment. SO, in my mind, when you're saying something is weird you're saying it's not something normal or natural. Being transgender IS NORMAL. Because normal is relative, and fuck society's bullshit.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

When someone says something is weird, it's not typically a compliment. SO, in my mind, when you're saying something is weird you're saying it's not something normal or natural. Being transgender IS NORMAL. Because normal is relative, and fuck society's bullshit.

So for you, what is an example of something that is weird? Is someone who has to turn the light switch on and off twice when entering a room weird?

[Yukitaka Oni]

That is the problem. On staff, you were observing games people think are suspicious, aka I played well, games I fuck up and are wrong are obviously not reported. Hence the point of the ball in a bag analogy. You are only seeing the times I am correct, and not the majority where I am wrong.



Hacking is a very serious allegation, and I think it is reasonable for a person to kindly ask for proof on such a serious allegation stated publicly. I am sorry it derails your conversation, and it is not what my intentions are. If you have anything specific you want my opinion on ask away and I will give you a serious response.

Red is mafia, sorry I hack v)o.o)^ plz no ban

[PowersThatBe]

So for you, what is an example of something that is weird? Is someone who has to turn the light switch on and off twice when entering a room weird?

No that's an example of a compulsion which is part of obsessive compulsive disorder (not always, because people can have compulsions without obsessions). I work with someone who has to do many different rituals before he can proceed in tasks. He is normal, some people judge him, and often I try to explain to them its outside of his control and defend him when they make rude remarks.

I don't find many things weird, but I would perverts are weird, belly buttons can be weird, any kind of strange unknown bug is weird. I think fetish porn is weird , I think it's weird when homophobes obsess over LGBTQ+, republican law-makers obsession over women's rights and gay rights, I think it's weird that anyone would think that being transgender is an illness when all of the science says contrary.

[Quick]

2. Up brining has an effect, whether subconscious.

3. What you've demonstrated here with reason and thought on the subject of transgender issues, I doubt you "knew more" than your caseworkers etc. I'm glad you volunteer, good for you. Merely volunteering somewhere doesn't make you more informed or less informed. You can know about your mental illness, sure, but don't project your feelings and mentality onto a group of people. The people who are experts have spoken on the matter, and their findings show that being transgender is not a disorder. You are using your crappy experience with mental health professionals as the basis to which you rationalize why you have little value in the APA. You made a bunch of baseless claims earlier.

5. Society is the problem, not the gender identity or sexuality.

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2. That may be true, but some of my views are radically different than those of my family, and not in a rebellious/defiant way either. Many people who would be in my shoes would prolly end up hating christianity and becoming dogmatic atheists, while I am knowing enough to know I don't know if there is a God. My views on homosexuality are also way different than what I was raised with. I went through enough emotional abuse growing up to learn that that is not the way to treat people, if for nothing else because the golden rule is nothing to shake a stick at.

3. I haven't talked to my case workers about Transgender persons. My work at NAMI allows me to get a look on the inside, get to see a few things the public eye doesn't see. No, I am not using my crappy experience with mental health professionals as the basis to which I rationalize why I have little value in APA. Its just a coincidence that I have dealt with some people whom, shall we say, are not the best at their job. I've also had some really great caseworkers who do a fantastic job. They are not baseless to me, they are based on my rational of what I know of people. Is that subjective? Yes, but at least I am thinking for myself.

5. The persons who have sexual identity problems are part of the society.

Yeah, not many people know about DISC. I like it the best because I personally find I identify with the description of it to be most fitting for me. Not about to tell you you have your typings wrong, wouldn't do that. I don't know you well enough to say either way anyway. Glad you shared though, wouldn't have taken you for an ENFP, but meh, what do I know about you irl?

[PowersThatBe]

2. That may be true, but some of my views are radically different than those of my family, and not in a rebellious/defiant way either. Many people who would be in my shoes would prolly end up hating christianity and becoming dogmatic atheists, while I am knowing enough to know I don't know if there is a God. My views on homosexuality are also way different than what I was raised with. I went through enough emotional abuse growing up to learn that that is not the way to treat people, if for nothing else because the golden rule is nothing to shake a stick at.

3. I haven't talked to my case workers about Transgender persons. My work at NAMI allows me to get a look on the inside, get to see a few things the public eye doesn't see. No, I am not using my crappy experience with mental health professionals as the basis to which I rationalize why I have little value in APA. Its just a coincidence that I have dealt with some people whom, shall we say, are not the best at their job. I've also had some really great caseworkers who do a fantastic job. They are not baseless to me, they are based on my rational of what I know of people. Is that subjective? Yes, but at least I am thinking for myself.

5. The persons who have sexual identity problems are part of the society.

Yeah, not many people know about DISC. I like it the best because I personally find I identify with the description of it to be most fitting for me. Not about to tell you you have your typings wrong, wouldn't do that. I don't know you well enough to say either way anyway. Glad you shared though, wouldn't have taken you for an ENFP, but meh, what do I know about you irl?

All you know of me is in this thread, which is I am on the offense, because many people. Including you have made claims that are either wrong, or developed in ignorance. I am only sharing what I believe to be logical experiences, and you know, it helps to actually know transgendered people.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

No that's an example of a compulsion which is part of obsessive compulsive disorder (not always, because people can have compulsions without obsessions). I work with someone who has to do many different rituals before he can proceed in tasks. He is normal, some people judge him, and often I try to explain to them its outside of his control and defend him when they make rude remarks.

I don't find many things weird, but I would perverts are weird, belly buttons can be weird, any kind of strange unknown bug is weird. I think fetish porn is weird , I think it's weird when homophobes obsess over LGBTQ+, republican law-makers obsession over women's rights and gay rights, I think it's weird that anyone would think that being transgender is an illness when all of the science says contrary.

What makes you say it is outside of your friends control for OCD? If he has many rituals that he has to do that are not related to the tasks he is doing, why is that considered normal?

[Quick]

No that's an example of a compulsion which is part of obsessive compulsive disorder (not always, because people can have compulsions without obsessions). I work with someone who has to do many different rituals before he can proceed in tasks. He is normal, some people judge him, and often I try to explain to them its outside of his control and defend him when they make rude remarks.

I don't find many things weird, but I would perverts are weird, belly buttons can be weird, any kind of strange unknown bug is weird. I think fetish porn is weird , I think it's weird when homophobes obsess over LGBTQ+, republican law-makers obsession over women's rights and gay rights, I think it's weird that anyone would think that being transgender is an illness when all of the science says contrary.

Only thing I can think to disagree with you here is that psychology is a soft science, not a hard science. Considering that psychology is subjective, I'm entitled to my own subjective interpretation.

[PowersThatBe]

What makes you say it is outside of your friends control for OCD? If he has many rituals that he has to do that are not related to the tasks he is doing, why is that considered normal?

He has OCD, but that doesn't make him abnormal. He just has an extra challenge to deal with.

[PowersThatBe]

Only thing I can think to disagree with you here is that psychology is a soft science, not a hard science. Considering that psychology is subjective, I'm entitled to my own subjective interpretation.

I scored C/D on the DISC test.

[ThePaladin]

Also wtf are you guys even arguing about anymore

That's my largest problem .

[Quick]

All you know of me is in this thread, which is I am on the offense, because many people. Including you have made claims that are either wrong, or developed in ignorance. I am only sharing what I believe to be logical experiences, and you know, it helps to actually know transgendered people.

No such thing as logical experience. Everything we experience through our senses is subjective. The mind, however can be rational, at times.

[Quick]

I scored C/D on the DISC test.

What do you mean "C/D"? It can be C or D or DC or CD.

[PowersThatBe]

What do you mean "C/D"? It can be C or D or DC or CD.

"Matthew, your at work DISC style is C/D. That’s fantastic!" --- I assume I'm CD, but I didnt realize this was only at work lmao.

[Quick]

"Matthew, your at work DISC style is C/D. That’s fantastic!" --- I assume I'm CD, but I didnt realize this was only at work lmao.

Which test did you take? Is it possible to link?

[PowersThatBe]

Which test did you take? Is it possible to link?

https://discpersonalitytesting.com/free-disc-test/