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    S-FM Turnabout Mafia (13P)

    Welcome to The courtroom, ladies and Gentlemen! Court is now in session!!!!


    Summary

    This is the year 2016 where The legal system's most notable changes in the last 15 years are in the implementation of a fast-paced, inquisitive initial trial procedure for trials where the Judge runs the trials. The judge acts as the inquisitor who determines the outcome of the trial. For this reason, the court proceedings closely resemble a debating contest, where the attorneys argue and present case points on how and why the defendant in the case is guilty or innocent. Recently the Trials have been implementing a new form of Jury system where everyone get's a fair say in the Judge's Verdict... but not always is it fair. For Corruption seeps through the cracks of the Courtroom, ushering in a dark age of the Law, where anyone could get away with murder if the price is right...

    This Setup is stationed on a jury and trial system where during the day the players vote on who they feel is evil. The Night phase is a trial phase where the "defendant" (a.k.a whoever was voted up and chosen) Is put to trial and 2 people are chosen to be the attorneys present. The rest are apart of the jury who ultimately decides if he is guilty or innocent. The biggest I'd like this setup to get in terms of players is 13. 12-10 is optimal.

    Role List 13 Players

    Judge
    Attorney
    Attorney
    Attorney
    Attorney
    Attorney
    Attorney
    Attorney

    Corrupted Attorney
    Corrupted Juror
    Guilty Defendant

    Hidden Courtroom Menace
    Hidden Courtroom Menace

    Role List 12 Players

    Judge
    Attorney
    Attorney
    Attorney
    Attorney
    Attorney
    Attorney

    Corrupted Attorney
    Corrupted Juror
    Guilty Defendant

    Hidden Courtroom Menace
    Hidden Courtroom Menace


    Role List 11 Players

    Judge
    Attorney
    Attorney
    Attorney
    Attorney
    Attorney

    Corrupted Attorney
    Corrupt Juror
    Guilty Defendant

    Hidden Courtroom Menace
    Hidden Courtroom Menace


    Role List 10 Players

    Judge
    Attorney
    Attorney
    Attorney
    Attorney
    Attorney

    Corrupted Attorney
    Guilty Defendant

    Hidden Courtroom Menace
    Hidden Courtroom Menace

    Role List 9 Players

    Judge
    Attorney
    Attorney
    Attorney
    Attorney
    Attorney

    Corrupted Attorney
    Guilty Defendant

    Hidden Courtroom Menace

    Role List 8 Players

    Judge
    Attorney
    Attorney
    Attorney
    Attorney

    Corrupted Attorney
    Guilty Defendant

    Hidden Courtroom Menace

    Role Cards

    Judge
    You are the Judge. You are the leader of the town and the trials. You, with the help of the jury, make sure each trial is treated fairly and honorably.
    Attributes:
    • You are revealed immediately at the start of the game by the host.
    • You cannot vote.
    • You cannot be put to Trial.
    • When Court is in session and each side is finished with their case, you are informed of the juries decision.
    • all regulations laid out for the Judge role in the thread apply.
    Attorney
    You're A attorney appointed by the law to fight against corruption.
    Attributes:
    • When someone is voted to trial, you are assigned as either a Defense or Prosecuting attorney based on the conditions of the person voted up.

    Guilty Defendant
    You are the Guilty Defendant. You're a murderer who was able to escape the law in the past thanks to your connections in the attorney pool.
    Attributes:
    • This Role is Unique.
    • You are informed of who your Corrupted Attorney is at the start of the game.
    • You and your Attorney get a day/Trial chat you can use here. [link][/link]
    • You are assigned as a court appointed attorney if put into a trial thanks to your hidden sources.
    Corrupt Attorney
    You're a Corrupt Attorney who has deep connections in the Trial system. You've been paid out by a desperate client, and must fight to make sure they are found innocent.
    Abilities:
    • You have a one time use skill that can sabotage A ongoing trial's outcome, forcing a Guilty or Innocent on a player.
    • You cannot use this during a trial with the Guilty Defendant as the defendant, BUT it can be used during your own trial.
    • This ability can only be used if the trial isn't interrupted (Courtroom bombing) or at anytime after the first 12 hours of the Trial.
    • Once used, the Trial ends, and the town will be notified of this the next day along with the manipulated verdict.
    • if this is used to kill the Courtroom Bomber, the usage becomes refreshed.
    • This ability starts with an extra charge as long as there's two Corrupt Attornies alive and on the team.
    • This ability's charge is passed down if an Amnesiac Attorney remembers this role.
    • This ability becomes obsolete if the Jury system becomes abolished.

    Attributes:
    • You are informed of who your client is and his Juror during the start of the game.
    • You and your client get a day/Trial chat you can use here. [link][/link]
    • You have a better chance at being chosen as defending your client OR Lesser chance of prosecuting them when a trial is setup against them. (Subject to chang
    • If the Guilty Defendant died Without being on Trial, then you become the new Defendant with the charge of corruption. (open for interpretation)
    Corrupt Juror
    You are a citizen who has deep connections with the legal system, allowing you to become a Jury member at any trial and at any point of time. You were hired by the Guilty Defendant to help them get off the hook for their crimes.
    Abilities:
    • You have the ability to become a Jury member even when you are in a trial (You cannot see jury chat).
    • You have a one time(Two time on 13 player setup) ability to anonymously acquire two voting power when you vote as a Juror.
    • If you are voting as a Juror and you are in a trial, you will go to the host directly with your vote.

    Attributes:
    • You are informed of who the Corrupt Attorney and the Guilty Defendant are at the start of the game..
    • You and your faction get a day/Trial chat you can use here. [link][/link]
    Possible Hidden Neutral Roles

    Amnesiac Attorney
    You're a Attorney who doesn't remember which side of the legal system your loyalties lied.
    Attributes:
    • As long as the role is in the graveyard, you can remember said role at any time during the day.
    • When you remember the role, it is publicly revealed to the town.
    • If you remember Guilty Defendant, you will become a Corrupt Attorney Instead.
    • You cannot Remember being the Courtroom Bomber.
    Insane Prosecuting Attorney
    You're the Insane Prosecuting Attorney. You have a certain grudge against a particular person that cannot be sated until they are found guilty in court.
    Attributes:
    • You are assigned a player as your *target*
    • Your target cannot be the Judge or the Defendant.
    • You have a higher chance of being chosen as the Prosecuting Attorney for your target's trial.
    • If you are successful in getting your target a guilty verdict, you essentially leave law for good (A.K.A Die).
    • If your defendant dies in a Courtroom bombing, you also leave law for good and lose.
    Insane Defense Attorney
    You're the Insane Defense Attorney. You have a debt of gratitude towards a particular person and will defend them by any means necessary.
    Attributes:
    • You are assigned a player as your *target*
    • Your Target cannot be the Judge or the Defendant.
    • You have a higher chance of being chosen as the Defense Attorney for your target's Trial.
    • If you are successful in getting your target a innocent verdict, you essentially leave law for good (A.K.A Die).
    • If your defendant dies in a Courtroom bombing OR is found Guilty in a Trial, you also leave law for good and lose.
    Courtroom Bomber
    You're the infamous Courtroom Bomber. Your primary goal is to sabotage and destroy The courtroom during trials!
    Abilities: You may try to rig a trial to explode.
    Attributes:
    • This Role is Unique.
    • You are notified if you are successful in rigging a trial.
    • during the trial you may choose to detonate the bomb when 12 hours has passed.
    • When the court is bombed, The current defendant dies alongside another attorney present chosen by you.
    • You may only do this Once.
    • If you kill the Guilty Defendant and/or Corrupt Attorney with your ability, you may rig another trial with a bomb.
    Win Conditions

    Judge/Attorneys: You win when the Corrupt Attorney Faction/Courtroom Bomber Is found guilty(Corrupt Attorney Faction can die in a bombing and it will still count towards this win condition). You Lose if you find 2 Attorneys guilty in a row/Lose majority(3 guilties in a row for the 12-13 player setup) (The Corrupt Attorneys ability does not factor in for the 2-3 town guilties in a row).

    Guilty Defendant: You win when you are found innocent on trial twice or If you and your team gain Majority during the day. You lose if you and Your Corrupt Attorney/Corrupt Juror are declared guilty/die in a Bombing.

    Corrupt Attorney: You win if the Guilty Defendant is found innocent twice or if your team gains majority during the day. You lose if you AND Your Guilty Defendant/Corrupt Juror are declared guilty/die in a Bombing.

    Corrupt Juror: You win if the Guilty Defendant is found innocent twice or if you gain majority during the day with your faction. You lose if you, the Corrupt Attorney and Corrupt Defendant are killed in a bombing or are declared guilty.

    Amnesiac Attorney: You win if you survive to the end, otherwise your win condition applies to whatever role you choose to remember.

    Insane Prosecuting Attorney: You win if your target is found guilty during a trial. You lose if you die before this condition is met.

    Insane Defense Attorney: You win if your target is found innocent in a trial. You lose if you die before these conditions are met.

    Courtroom Bomber: You win if you are alive at the end of the game (you win ties with the Guilty Defendant/Corrupt Attorney). You lose if you die before you meet this condition.

    Day/Judge Mechanics

    Days Last 48 Hours
    There is no Majority Lynch (It will be run using the Condorcet system, made by Voss)
    The Judge picks who goes to trial if a rare case of a tied vote happens.
    If absolutely no one votes near the EoD, then the Judge picks both the Defendant, Defense, and Prosecuting attorney.
    He gets 12-24 hours to do this.
    The Trial Phase (Night Phase) Begins when a Lynch happens or days end and whatever set of rules to pick who is who is applied. Then host starts the Trial phase.
    Everyone who is picked as Prosecutor or Defense, etc. Are Notified Via PM Or Discord.

    Trial Mechanics

    Trials Last for 24 hours (depending)
    The Prosecuting attorney is selected randomly from who voted the player being put to trial.
    The Defense attorney is selected randomly from those who abstained/didn't vote current person (Or Judge picks depending).
    I reserve the right to lengthen when and how long the trial starts depending on player availability.
    The only participants to this are the Judge, current defendant, and the attorneys assigned to both sides.
    While the trial is going on, Everyone else is apart of the Jury and are given their own Discord Server to discuss the trial/their thoughts (This Discord server is deleted/remade for every new trial).
    They have to all come to either a consensus or close to one near the End of the Court sequence on if the defendant is guilty or Innocent. (can be off by 3 I.E 7 to 3)
    The votes are explained in the server and each player can re-vote as they please (But cannot revote anymore if a full-on Agreement is made in the Thread).
    After 24 hours has passed during the trial, and if all votes are in, the trial will end. But I can end it early after 14 hours if all votes are in and a consensus reached. If there's no consensus by 24 hours it ends with the Judge deciding the fate of the defendant at the time.
    When this happens, the Discord Server is shut down and all votes are locked in.
    When the Trial is over and the Jury reaches a verdict, I send their verdict to the Judge.
    The Judge PM's me the final verdict in which he has a say(BUT NOT A FINAL SAY, UNLESS THE TRIAL SYSTEM IS THE NON-JURY VERSION and especially if a Full-on Agreement has been made), and the thread closes. I then say what happened and if they are guilty/innocent And the next day starts.
    If the Jury fail to reach a verdict/Tied vote within the 48 hours, then the Judge decides the fate of the defendant.
    If a Trial is bombed or if the Trial is influenced by the Corrupt Attorney, then the trial automatically ends with the deaths with the bombings, or the rigged verdict with the Influence (this cannot happen until 12 hours has passed at least).


    Trial Mechanics 2

    When there's not enough players alive for a Complete Jury to be made (Less than 2), then the Jury system is abolished and replaced with the old Tradition of the Judge, Jury, And Executioner system.
    When this happens, The Trial is shortened to only 12-24 hours.
    How Prosecutor and Defense attorneys are selected will not change (If no one votes AT ALL near the end of the day, then the Judge Decides who's the Defendant, the Prosecutor, And the Defense attorney)
    The remaining player can choose between being a Co-Prosecutor or Co-Defense attorney, they will PM the host their decision.
    During this Trial, the Judge must listen to the arguments being made if any.
    After the 12 hour mark has passed, the Judge may choose to end the trial at any time he see's fit.
    When the Judge decides to end the Trial, NO MORE posting may be made (If the host isn't online to close the thread and people still post, it won't be pretty :P)
    The Judge then hands out the verdict of the defendant, which is FINAL (the Corrupt Attorney's influence can no longer apply here).

    Rules

    All normal Site rules apply.
    Because of the numerous amount of unique mechanics, I reserve the right to alter mechanics in a clear way, not to scum or town side, but to attempt to make the game more enjoyable. Hindsight is 20/20
    I reserve the color Blue For answering questions.
    5 posts minimum for every player. THIS ALSO INCLUDES IN THE DISCORD SERVER FOR THE JURY! And also for The Trial Phase players too.
    NO Posting during the Trial phase unless you are apart of it.
    NO Direct quotes or Pictures of what was said in the Jury chat! You can take notes but AGAIN DON'T directly quote things that are said.
    I hold the right to replace/mod-kill if you are inactive/break any rules/don't PM me when you are ready for court to start.
    READ THE SETUP! There's a lot to this setup, so not reading the setup thoroughly is just poor play.
    And most importantly: HAVE FUN! Let loose a little, get into it. You can scream OBJECTION Or HOLD IT To things if you want! (Just don't go crazy with it -.-)

    And that's it! Phoenix Wright awaits your Comments! I really would like some constructive criticism since this is my First FM idea and it sort of came out of the blue... Especially with the Trial Mechanic. I'm sort of having a hard time thinking of a way to balance it/etc.



    Changelogs:

    • Tweaked Corrupt Attorneys Attributes so they can prosecute their client and not forced to defend them during a trial.
    • Made it so Every role including the defendant can be chosen as a prosecutor or defense attorney
    • Removed Insane Defendant slot and added a Random Neutral slot with extra Neutral roles
    • Tweaked rolecards/rules a bit.
    • Added Different Lose conditions/Mechanics
    • Added a Jury so the Judge isn't the *main* Deciding factor to the game, more like a Mayor with minimal sway and without the extra votes.
    • Bumped it up to 10 players, with 1 extra VT and 1 extra Hidden Neutral. May bump it down to 9, removing a townie. Open to suggestions!
    • Edited the story.
    • Removed the Insane Defendant (Jester) In replacement of an amnesiac (Amnesiac Attorney) Role. Figured Calix is right and a Jester in a low player game is more than likely a game breaker.
    • Refurbished the Trial System when the conditions of a Jury trial can no longer be achieved.
    • Added a 9 and 8 player setup option, just in case!
    • A lot of the new implementations are inspired by Quick. Special thanks to him and everyone who suggested to this game so far!
    • Everything will be in Discord. WILL WIPE JURY CHAT EACH TIME A TRIAL IS COMPLETED!
    Last edited by AIVION; November 20th, 2018 at 10:02 AM.

    Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
    If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.

  2. ISO #2

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Why not extend the night period if you are concerned that activity/ availability will be a problem?

    The Defense/ Prosecutor mechanics, plus the confirmed Judge role, means you can POE who the Defendant is very quickly.

    You have 8 players. 1 is confirmed as town straight away. The moment a player is voted up, you have 2 players as Defense/ Prosecutor who CANNOT be the Defendant. That's 3/8 just by the first day.

    Given that scum do not have a night kill, this means that the optimal play would be to Guilty every player until the Defendant is the only player who has not been a Defense/ Prosecutor.

    Game also seems reliant on the skill of the Judge, seeing as he decides who is Guilty/ Innocent. This has similar issues to the Host role in "Your Everyday Average Game" where Town lost the game due to one player holding all the power.

  3. ISO #3

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Looks like a whole lot of fun.


    But this probably breaks the game:
    Corrupt Attorney
    You are forced to be the Defense to your client when they are put to trial.


    Which means that if the Corrupt Attorney doesnt vote his defendant, he's outed. So game seems easily won by VCA?
    Same sort of deal kind of goes with the Defendant not being able to go to be a lawyer. Players can POE.

    Maybe give mafia a one hit kill?

  4. ISO #4

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    Why not extend the night period if you are concerned that activity/ availability will be a problem?

    The Defense/ Prosecutor mechanics, plus the confirmed Judge role, means you can POE who the Defendant is very quickly.

    You have 8 players. 1 is confirmed as town straight away. The moment a player is voted up, you have 2 players as Defense/ Prosecutor who CANNOT be the Defendant. That's 3/8 just by the first day.

    Given that scum do not have a night kill, this means that the optimal play would be to Guilty every player until the Defendant is the only player who has not been a Defense/ Prosecutor.

    Game also seems reliant on the skill of the Judge, seeing as he decides who is Guilty/ Innocent. This has similar issues to the Host role in "Your Everyday Average Game" where Town lost the game due to one player holding all the power.

    1.) I have that added in the rules, sort of subtle though sorry if you didn't see it lol.

    2.) Possibly... I figured depending on the skill of the players it would be harder than that... dunno though.

    3.) ...Good point. Maybe I should get rid of the "defendant can't become a defense/prosecuting attorney" Mechanic? But as I stated before it's RNG as well so you never know who is chosen. Could be the same person twice.

    4.) Yea I've gotten this comment too from someone I talked to before hand. It's sort of a make or break aspect of the save... Maybe I can implement something else for the Judges role... Or maybe say screw the judge thing and just add a Jury instead? ...Even though it breaks my story


    Thanks for the questions/Comments!
    Last edited by AIVION; June 7th, 2016 at 12:40 AM.

    Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
    If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.

  5. ISO #5

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    Looks like a whole lot of fun.


    But this probably breaks the game:
    Corrupt Attorney
    You are forced to be the Defense to your client when they are put to trial.


    Which means that if the Corrupt Attorney doesnt vote his defendant, he's outed. So game seems easily won by VCA?
    Same sort of deal kind of goes with the Defendant not being able to go to be a lawyer. Players can POE.

    Maybe give mafia a one hit kill?
    It can be, but not always so. Depending on how the players act in their environment I guess it could be make or break.
    Yea I was asked this already, i'm thinking about removing that aspect... maybe the defendant was an attorney in his past life? Lel.

    Mafia has a one-hit kill in the corrupt Attorneys ability.

    Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
    If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.

  6. ISO #6

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by AIVION View Post
    Thanks for the questions/Comments!
    I also want to add that it's RNG on who is the prosecuting/Defending attorney, so sometimes people can be chosen twice. But I still see what you mean.

    Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
    If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.

  7. ISO #7

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by AIVION View Post
    Thanks for the questions/Comments!
    I meant "why not make the night period 48 hours?" That would be less arbitrary.

    No amount of skill can outrun POE. Just look at Duck's play in World of Music. Massively town-read, yet was found as scum due to POE.

    What made you include that mechanic in the first place?

    I feel that Insane Defendant would only help with the POE part. It's only a threat if Town mislynched a player on Day 1 and the Insane Defendant is chosen on Day 2 with 2 town as the Defense/ Prosecutor...which is pretty unlikely. I don't think Jester roles work well in small games. (especially not if they're confirmed; perhaps you could just make it a Hidden Neutral role so that there's more leeway?)

    You're meant to be making a balanced game, not making a masturbatory role-play fantasy ;)

  8. ISO #8

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    I meant "why not make the night period 48 hours?" That would be less arbitrary.

    No amount of skill can outrun POE. Just look at Duck's play in World of Music. Massively town-read, yet was found as scum due to POE.

    What made you include that mechanic in the first place?

    I feel that Insane Defendant would only help with the POE part. It's only a threat if Town mislynched a player on Day 1 and the Insane Defendant is chosen on Day 2 with 2 town as the Defense/ Prosecutor...which is pretty unlikely. I don't think Jester roles work well in small games. (especially not if they're confirmed; perhaps you could just make it a Hidden Neutral role so that there's more leeway?)

    You're meant to be making a balanced game, not making a masturbatory role-play fantasy ;)
    1.) Ah.. Alright. I can make it 48 hours since the Trial phase is pretty important. I'll add that.

    2.) I'm gonna remove the fact defendant/Insane Defendant can't be Attornies. They'll just be Court appointed attornies lol. I'll add it into the attributes.. I agree.

    3.) The defendant/Insane Defendant aren't attornies. It's sorta retarded so I'll retract this idea it kinda breaks the game. xD

    4.) Hmmm... Okay. I like this idea. I'll have to think of some hidden neutral roles to add... Maybe like an executioner prosecutor?!? Fun times indeed.

    5.) But I like to Role-play! ^_^ Hue I know I appreciate your suggestions!

    Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
    If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.

  9. ISO #9

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by AIVION View Post
    1.) Ah.. Alright. I can make it 48 hours since the Trial phase is pretty important. I'll add that.

    2.) I'm gonna remove the fact defendant/Insane Defendant can't be Attornies. They'll just be Court appointed attornies lol. I'll add it into the attributes.. I agree.

    3.) The defendant/Insane Defendant aren't attornies. It's sorta retarded so I'll retract this idea it kinda breaks the game. xD

    4.) Hmmm... Okay. I like this idea. I'll have to think of some hidden neutral roles to add... Maybe like an executioner prosecutor?!? Fun times indeed.

    5.) But I like to Role-play! ^_^ Hue I know I appreciate your suggestions!
    I'm off for a bit, but in regards to Neutral roles, an Executioner could work.

    Jester NOT being guaranteed gives scum some leeway with scummy behaviour (the cliche "could be Jester, hyuk hyuk" defense) and you could tinker with an Unlyncher variation that has to see their target not get put on trial/ Inno'd or whatnot.

    Make sure you consider how easily each role could accomplish their win conditons and how them being in the game would affect the outcome/ the mechanics first before putting them in as this is just a suggestion.

  10. ISO #10

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Calix View Post
    I'm off for a bit, but in regards to Neutral roles, an Executioner could work.

    Jester NOT being guaranteed gives scum some leeway with scummy behaviour (the cliche "could be Jester, hyuk hyuk" defense) and you could tinker with an Unlyncher variation that has to see their target not get put on trial/ Inno'd or whatnot.

    Make sure you consider how easily each role could accomplish their win conditons and how them being in the game would affect the outcome/ the mechanics first before putting them in as this is just a suggestion.
    1.) Yea, thanks for the suggestion!

    2.) Agreed, which makes it All the more interesting. Also makes the town have to think before they put someone on trial just in case it's the jester/Defendant. Unlyncher sounds actually kinda cool thanks! I'll think about it... definitely got some insane Neutral roles in the woodworks! This is much more satisfying than a confirmed jester, and more fun.

    3.) Yea, I dunno if I should add the RLVG (Kill the exe if he wins) mechanic. We'll see what other's think about that since it's no fun to just win and that's it. Also noted on tweaking win conditions since i'm still in debate about the defendants for example.

    Again thanks for the suggestions! It really helps a lot.

    Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
    If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.

  11. ISO #11

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    OK, so here are some thoughts:

    Suggestions:

    Add a ability to Judge that chooses who goes to trial at either SOD or EOD. This will be aligned with Town. They act like a Judge only they just choose who goes to trial out of the citizens.
    Attorney are either Jury or Defendant and are Citizens. And vote for Guilty or Innocent. If Jury considers them guilt, then Judge decides if they get taken out of the game or not as punishment. but they cannot vote.
    Judge can call a mistrial, meaning that person can be tied again. if there is no mistrial then they cannot be tried again.
    Game ends when all Citizens, but 1 have been up for trial.
    If Court Jester is found guilty the game ends with a solo win for them.
    If Town has gotten a guilty on the Defendant by the end of the game, they win.
    If Defendant is found Innocent by end of Game, they win
    Mafia Record:
    Spoiler : On Site/Universal Total :
    ..Total: 5/9 = 55.6% | 61/104 = 58.3%..
    ...Town: 3/5 = 60% | 42/76 = 55.3%...
    ....Mafia: 0/2 = 0% | 14/23 = 60.9%....
    .....3P: 1/1 = 100% | 3P: 3/5 = 60%.....
    My advice on Mafia play:
    Get the Led Out

  12. ISO #12

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    OK, so here are some thoughts:

    Suggestions:

    Add a ability to Judge that chooses who goes to trial at either SOD or EOD. This will be aligned with Town. They act like a Judge only they just choose who goes to trial out of the citizens.
    Attorney are either Jury or Defendant and are Citizens. And vote for Guilty or Innocent. If Jury considers them guilt, then Judge decides if they get taken out of the game or not as punishment. but they cannot vote.
    Judge can call a mistrial, meaning that person can be tied again. if there is no mistrial then they cannot be tried again.
    Game ends when all Citizens, but 1 have been up for trial.
    If Court Jester is found guilty the game ends with a solo win for them.
    If Town has gotten a guilty on the Defendant by the end of the game, they win.
    If Defendant is found Innocent by end of Game, they win
    1.) So then the Judge chooses who goes to trial no matter what the other members of the town says? And every other player is the Jury when they are put up to trial? Can you explain the Jury/Trial process in your eyes for me please?

    2.) Can my other neutrals still work in this kind of setup or no?

    Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
    If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.

  13. ISO #13

    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by AIVION View Post
    1.) So then the Judge chooses who goes to trial no matter what the other members of the town says? And every other player is the Jury when they are put up to trial? Can you explain the Jury/Trial process in your eyes for me please?

    2.) Can my other neutrals still work in this kind of setup or no?
    Thank you To @Quick For his new idea's. A lot of changes were made to the setup recently. Hope to receive some feedback soon!

    Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
    If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AIVION View Post
    Thank you To @Quick For his new idea's. A lot of changes were made to the setup recently. Hope to receive some feedback soon!
    yeah, we were talking about this game setup on Skype.

    I have also decided to

    /Pre-Sign
    Mafia Record:
    Spoiler : On Site/Universal Total :
    ..Total: 5/9 = 55.6% | 61/104 = 58.3%..
    ...Town: 3/5 = 60% | 42/76 = 55.3%...
    ....Mafia: 0/2 = 0% | 14/23 = 60.9%....
    .....3P: 1/1 = 100% | 3P: 3/5 = 60%.....
    My advice on Mafia play:
    Get the Led Out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    /prepreprepreprepre join x1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000

    May I call myself Phoenix Wright during the game?
    Only the host reserves the *wright* of being called Phoenix Wright.

    ... You can be oldbag.

    edit: Nah JK you can be whatever you want mah dear.
    Last edited by AIVION; June 9th, 2016 at 07:19 AM.

    Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
    If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.

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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    @AIVION , I am unable to approve this setup for signups because of several rules ambiguities. I concerned the game is not even playable because of possible scenarios the setup does not account for. These concerns, and other questions, are outlined below.

    Major Concern: When does the game end?

    Major Concern: The wincons are not conclusive; what happens if the town loses majority but the Defendant has not gained majority? The wincons say that the town has lost, but the scum haven't met their wincons.

    How is a defense attorney picked if everyone voted for the trialed person?

    How are attorneys/juries picked if there are not enough players to have two attorneys and a jury?

    Concern: How can the jury reach a decision if they can only re-vote once?

    How does the judge have a "final say" in the verdict? Does this mean the jury's decision is irrelevant?

    Can the Corrupt Attorney use their ability on their own trial?

    Please clarify who, exactly, is killed if the Insane Defendant is found guilty. (in general, the setup could be helped by color-coding indicating whether an Attorney or "Prosecuting Attorney" or whatnot is being referred to)

    Similarly, please clarify who dies to the Courtroom Bomber

    Will players be able to tell if the Corrupt Attorney's verdict "automatically" happened?

    Concern: If the judge trials a non-Defendant after lynching an Attorney, the Corrupt Attorney can simply auto-guilty and hope the person on trial is town.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Despite this being Archived and it's been years, I decided to re-furbish this setup and bump it in hopes I may get it approved and see what others think of this setup after so many years. Sort of want to try my hand at Hosting and figured "why not my Setup?"

    Made some changes and addressed all concerns made by Mattzed/Calix.

    Let me know what you think and if/should I host this.

    Thanks!

    Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
    If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.

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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    HYPE.

    Questions:

    How does the Courtroom Bomber turn into a Defendant? Also, isn't it slightly... annoying to get randomly bombed out of the trial because RNG selected you to be a victim?

    If a Trial is bombed or if the Trial is influenced by the Corrupt Attorney, then the trial automatically ends with the deaths with the bombings, or the rigged verdict with the Influence (this cannot happen until 12 hours has passed at least).
    That means that everyone knows when the Corrupt Attorney has used his ability, right?

    What does QT mean exactly (I get it's some sort of chat), and who has access to it? Once the verdict has been reached, is it revealed? Are the Jury members that were in the QT allowed to talk about it in the thread after the trial, or is it a secret?
    Last edited by Marshmallow Marshall; October 15th, 2018 at 04:41 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    HYPE.

    Questions:

    How does the Courtroom Bomber turn into a Defendant? Also, isn't it slightly... annoying to get randomly bombed out of the trial because RNG selected you to be a victim?

    If a Trial is bombed or if the Trial is influenced by the Corrupt Attorney, then the trial automatically ends with the deaths with the bombings, or the rigged verdict with the Influence (this cannot happen until 12 hours has passed at least).
    That means that everyone knows when the Corrupt Attorney has used his ability, right?

    What does QT mean exactly (I get it's some sort of chat), and who has access to it? Once the verdict has been reached, is it revealed? Are the Jury members that were in the QT allowed to talk about it in the thread after the trial, or is it a secret?
    1.) I changed that, he doesn't turn into a Defendant anymore: he just gets an extra usage of his ability (which I think is MUCH better)
    I agree... I'll change it to making it so the Courtroom bomber can choose which attorney dies (Sort of like a Serial Killer choosing his kill per say..? Ish?)

    2.) Yes. Same with the Bombings. I will add it to the next day post.

    3.) Quick Topic chats. This was two years ago so I'm willing to switch to Discord for this (Except I will be adamant about the Jury chat still being QT, since I want to refresh it every trial). The final verdict is known to the Jury and shown to the Judge, and will be known the next day if the person on trial is guilty or innocent. It's not secret and you can talk about it, but the fact it's refreshed is on purpose (adds another level of deception that can happen, which is always fun in mafia )

    Things I'm thinking of adding:
    - Maybe more possible scum roles (like a Hired hitman with a two shot factional kill or something).
    - Adding another member to the Defendant's faction and removing a Hidden Courtroom Menace to the 10 player setup (OR add a 11 player setup, making it a 3 man scum team there instead).
    - Not sure yet, will continue to edit and add to this as I get suggestions/Think about it.
    Last edited by AIVION; October 16th, 2018 at 12:30 AM.

    Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
    If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.

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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by AIVION View Post
    1.) I changed that, he doesn't turn into a Defendant anymore: he just gets an extra usage of his ability (which I think is MUCH better)
    I agree... I'll change it to making it so the Courtroom bomber can choose which attorney dies (Sort of like a Serial Killer choosing his kill per say..? Ish?)

    2.) Yes. Same with the Bombings. I will add it to the next day post.

    3.) Quick Topic chats. This was two years ago so I'm willing to switch to Discord for this (Except I will be adamant about the Jury chat still being QT, since I want to refresh it every trial). The final verdict is known to the Jury and shown to the Judge, and will be known the next day if the person on trial is guilty or innocent. It's not secret and you can talk about it, but the fact it's refreshed is on purpose (adds another level of deception that can happen, which is always fun in mafia )

    Things I'm thinking of adding:
    - Maybe more possible scum roles (like a Hired hitman with a two shot factional kill or something).
    - Adding another member to the Defendant's faction and removing a Hidden Courtroom Menace to the 10 player setup (OR add a 11 player setup, making it a 3 man scum team there instead).
    - Not sure yet, will continue to edit and add to this as I get suggestions/Think about it.
    1) Yay!

    2) Understood. I was going to say town might be slightly overpowered, but after thinking twice, I came to conclusion that there are no confirmable power roles, that the setup is complicated and that Town doesn't have that much room for error, especially given the Corrupted Attorney's ability.

    3) a. Discord allows for that too, though! You can give people roles to give them access to X channel, and remove that role when you don't want them to have it anymore. That being said, QT works too lol, but a lot of people prefer Discord.
    3) b. Hm okay I think a lot of people will talk about the verdict xD

    3) c. Is the jury chat/QT available to see for the next day phase (before the next trial)?
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    so basically i can shout OBJECTION at every little thing?

    /presign
    Uh, sure :P It's based off of Phoenix Wright, so it would be only natural!

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    1) Yay!

    2) Understood. I was going to say town might be slightly overpowered, but after thinking twice, I came to conclusion that there are no confirmable power roles, that the setup is complicated and that Town doesn't have that much room for error, especially given the Corrupted Attorney's ability.

    3) a. Discord allows for that too, though! You can give people roles to give them access to X channel, and remove that role when you don't want them to have it anymore. That being said, QT works too lol, but a lot of people prefer Discord.
    3) b. Hm okay I think a lot of people will talk about the verdict xD

    3) c. Is the jury chat/QT available to see for the next day phase (before the next trial)?
    1.) Yeeh.

    2.) Yea, I tried to make it so the town will have to be a bit more tactful than just (GUILTY TIL WE HIT THE DEFENDANT HUR DUR) since that was my primary concern.

    3.) Oh really? Well, in that case I'll consider it.
    They can talk as much as they want about it, lol. It just won't be "There" per say, as it will be erased.
    Nope. Erased. As I said, it's intentional.

    Thanks for the questions/feedback so far!

    Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
    If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.

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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    OBJECTION!!!

    /presign

    or else...

    DANCE WATER DANCE!
    8255409.jpg

    But yea, I'll probably try to push and see if I can get this in the Queue (and hopefully approved) after the next games are done.

    Until then I suppose I shall just wait and see. Would love to see my idea from two years ago after I splashed new life upon it be hosted and played (and hopefully not crash in a fire :P)

    Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
    If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.

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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by AIVION View Post
    8255409.jpg

    But yea, I'll probably try to push and see if I can get this in the Queue (and hopefully approved) after the next games are done.

    Until then I suppose I shall just wait and see. Would love to see my idea from two years ago after I splashed new life upon it be hosted and played (and hopefully not crash in a fire :P)
    Or crash in a courtroom...
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Quote Originally Posted by AIVION View Post
    8255409.jpg

    But yea, I'll probably try to push and see if I can get this in the Queue (and hopefully approved) after the next games are done.

    Until then I suppose I shall just wait and see. Would love to see my idea from two years ago after I splashed new life upon it be hosted and played (and hopefully not crash in a fire :P)
    who is a better villain?

    Master Xehanort or Malifecent and Pete?
    I Like Ice Cream

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    I like it, and it looks good.

    2 lynch game is great. It forces the players to really hone their scum hunting abilities because they have to get the correct votes or else they'll lose game if two lawyers go in a row.

    I also like the chance for the neutral roles to cause chaos.

    I'd sign if you hosted it!!
    Quote Originally Posted by PowersThatBe View Post
    Shut up cow.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Did you just fucking call him a cow?
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16
    No, he played as well as he could. He had you right in the palm of his fucking hand all game and you STILL don’t get that. He played you like a fucking fiddle, and it was so obvious and it pains me that nobody else saw it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PowersThatBe View Post
    I like it, and it looks good.

    2 lynch game is great. It forces the players to really hone their scum hunting abilities because they have to get the correct votes or else they'll lose game if two lawyers go in a row.

    I also like the chance for the neutral roles to cause chaos.

    I'd sign if you hosted it!!


    Thanks! I'll definetly try to host it after your game's done.


    Also Efe, I wouldn't mind having this discussion on Discord or something, just not here Lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Or crash in a courtroom...
    Car bombing into the Courtroom!
    Last edited by AIVION; October 20th, 2018 at 10:04 AM.

    Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
    If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.

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    Re: S-FM Turnabout Mafia

    Last questions incoming:

    If the Corrupt Attorney uses his ability after a guilty on an Attorney to get another guilty, then another mislynch happens, does town lose? Different wording: does the corrupt attorney's ability keep the "mislynch streak" going (without contributing to it)?

    What is the difference between a Defense attorney and a normal jury member who thinks the trialed player is innocent? Are there any bonuses specific to being defense/prosecuting attorney, or is it just to make things clearer?

    The Defense attorney is selected randomly from those who abstained/didn't vote current person (Or Judge picks depending).
    Depending on what?

    In the 10 players setup with 2 Hidden Courtroom Menaces, can there be two of the same role?


    I think that's it for the questions for real this time lol
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Last questions incoming:

    If the Corrupt Attorney uses his ability after a guilty on an Attorney to get another guilty, then another mislynch happens, does town lose? Different wording: does the corrupt attorney's ability keep the "mislynch streak" going (without contributing to it)?

    What is the difference between a Defense attorney and a normal jury member who thinks the trialed player is innocent? Are there any bonuses specific to being defense/prosecuting attorney, or is it just to make things clearer?


    Depending on what?

    In the 10 players setup with 2 Hidden Courtroom Menaces, can there be two of the same role?


    I think that's it for the questions for real this time lol
    1.) No. 1 Guilty. Then a Mislynch from the CA ability = Cycle broke. It has to be 2 guilties in a row by towns hand. Making the CA be strategic with his ability, but not wait too long.

    Defense and Prosecutors are there purely to voice their opinions on the matter (since I'm sure if you vote someone you had a reason to and if you didn't same thing). It's also to give players more possible chances at reads on people (If you are appointed a defense attorney to someone but dont ACTUALLY think their inno, then that could lead to so many possibilities. The Jury members talk among themselves to establish their own grounds as well too (extra time to do so PLUS cast their votes on if the person on trial should seriously be guiltied or not)

    2.) depending on the circumstances, I feel like I explained it in the trial mechanics. Don't feel like digging it up xD.

    3.) Courtroom bomber is unique. Otherwise yea, there could be 2 Insane defense attornies or 2 Amnesiac attornies. It's Hidden after all xD RNG!

    Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
    If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AIVION View Post
    1.) No. 1 Guilty. Then a Mislynch from the CA ability = Cycle broke. It has to be 2 guilties in a row by towns hand. Making the CA be strategic with his ability, but not wait too long.

    Defense and Prosecutors are there purely to voice their opinions on the matter (since I'm sure if you vote someone you had a reason to and if you didn't same thing). It's also to give players more possible chances at reads on people (If you are appointed a defense attorney to someone but dont ACTUALLY think their inno, then that could lead to so many possibilities. The Jury members talk among themselves to establish their own grounds as well too (extra time to do so PLUS cast their votes on if the person on trial should seriously be guiltied or not)

    2.) depending on the circumstances, I feel like I explained it in the trial mechanics. Don't feel like digging it up xD.

    3.) Courtroom bomber is unique. Otherwise yea, there could be 2 Insane defense attornies or 2 Amnesiac attornies. It's Hidden after all xD RNG!
    1. Makes sense.
    1.5. So is the rest of the jury... but those are like the "leaders" of each side.
    2. I guess this will be brought up during the game if needed... I didn't see the explaination
    3. Good, double courtroom bomber was my concern lol. 2 exes GO GO GO LYNCH EVERYONE

    Approved. Would you want to host after PTB's game, or later?
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    1. Makes sense.
    1.5. So is the rest of the jury... but those are like the "leaders" of each side.
    2. I guess this will be brought up during the game if needed... I didn't see the explaination
    3. Good, double courtroom bomber was my concern lol. 2 exes GO GO GO LYNCH EVERYONE

    Approved. Would you want to host after PTB's game, or later?
    Hell yea!


    Sure, if no one else strongly wants to host after PTB's Game. I'd love to!

    Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
    If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.

 

 

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