S-FM In The World of Music

[Gyrlander]

ROLES:
Famous Singer
Manager
Hidden Fan
Hidden Fan
Hidden Fan
Hidden Fan
Hidden Fan
Hidden Fan

Failed Singer
Hidden Minion
Hidden Minion

Win Conditions

Green: Eliminate red-aligned players.
Red: Eliminate green-aligned players.

Spoiler : Green Roles :

Famous Singer: Release a new single and give one copy to one person each night. Your target avoids all abilities that have him as the target that night. Also, he will be inmune to Failed Singer ability for the rest of the game. This ability doesn't work on the Red Team. This ability will only have effect on your manager once. You won't be notified if your action was sucessful. You're inmune at night until your manager is dead. You have other one-use ability that you can use to invite everyone to a party at night, what'll make all players able to talk during that night.

Manager: You know the identity of the Famous Singer. You can create a night chat between two players telling me during the previous day but you won't be able to read the chat. You can't be one of the members. You don't visit your targets for creating the night chat.

Drawer Fan: Draw a fan art of somebody and send it to him. Your target will get inspired and the next night he will be able to do two night actions.

Stalker Fan: Follow someone at night, knowing who he visits.

Normal Fan: No special abilities.

Fan Girl: You roleblock a player each night. They are notified.

Old Man With A Cigar Fan: You can check someone's alignment at night.

Lunatic Fan: You can jail one person every odd night. You'll have a private chat with your target. Jail also means a perfect roleblock but doesn't provide night inmunity. You can't execute your target.

Spoiler : Red Roles :

Failed Singer: Tell one player each night how horrible music is. The target will be transformed into a normal fan. If the target already is a normal fan, he won't be able to vote next day. Famous Singer, Manager and Fans which have received a gift are inmune. If you target a red player you'll informed that he's one of your teammates. You won't be told if your action was succesfull. You also don't know who your evil followers are, but they know your identity.

Consort: Roleblock a player each night. The target is notified of being roleblocked.

Janitor: Clean your target's role and last will if he dies the same night. Limited to 2 uses.

Watcher: You visit someone each night and check who does your target visit and who visit him.

Kidnapper: You can jail one person every odd night. You'll have a private chat with your target. Jail also means a perfect roleblock but doesn't provide night inmunity. You can't execute your target.

Trapper: Set a trap at the house of somebody. Everyone who visits him that night you'll know his exact role and he will be unable to do his action that night. Players are notified of falling to a trap. Limited to 2 uses.

Unemployed Manager: You can create a night chat between two players telling me during the previous day and you will be able to read the chat. You can't create a chat with Failed Singer as a membe of it.

The two minions share a factional kill and a night chat. If both of them die, the Failed Singer will gain inmunity to roleblock and will be able to shoot a player each night

Order Of Operation

1. Lunatic Fan/Kidnapper jails
2. Consort/Fan Girl roleblocks
3. Famous Singer delivers gift
4. Trapper puts trap
5. Stalker fan follows/Old Man With A Cigar fan checks/Watcher observes
6. Drawer gives fan-art
7. Failed Singer "audits"
8. Red Night Kill
9. Janitor Cleans


Mechanics


Days are 48 hours long.
Nights are 24 hours long.
PM me your night action everytime. If you wish to not do any, send me a pm saying so.
Lynch is at 51%.
Performing your factional night kill is a night action.
Suicide is allowed if the game reaches Day 6.
Last Wills are allowed.
Death Notes are allowed.

Rules

1. No OGC (out of game communication)
2. Insults are alright, but don't be extreme.
3. Don't quote PMs.
4. English only.
5. Minimum of 5 posts each day.
6. Images and videos are allowed, but don't spam them.
7. No excessive use of unrelated posts.

[secondpassing]

Is that a Janitor charge or do you really mean use? (failed cleaning using his charge?)

Just to be sure, drawer fan does not give mafia two night kills correct? I'm assuming this.

Mafia with fan art can kill and perform their regular night action the following night?

What happens when the failed singer targets mafia?

Are the chats' opening's a visit?

[Gyrlander]

Is that a Janitor charge or do you really mean use? (failed cleaning using his charge?)
They are charges.
Just to be sure, drawer fan does not give mafia two night kills correct? I'm assuming this.
No, it doesn't. If a mafia receives a fan art he... (See following question)
Mafia with fan art can kill and perform their regular night action the following night?
Yes. If a mafia receives a fan art he will be able to either perform a night kill and do his normal night action or do his normal night action two times.
What happens when the failed singer targets mafia?
Nothing.
Are the chats' opening's a visit?
It is not. The manager PMs me during the day and I'll open the chat for the two people. It doesn't count as a visit. I'll specify this and probably remove from Order of Operation.

-I'll add basic information like Red have a night chat and know the identity of each other.

[SuperJack]

Lunatic Fan: You can jail one person every odd night. You'll have a private chat with your target. Jail also means a perfect roleblock but doesn't provide night inmunity. You can't execute your target.[/FONT]

[Gyrlander]

Lunatic Fan: You can jail one person every odd night. You'll have a private chat with your target. Jail also means a perfect roleblock but doesn't provide night inmunity. You can't execute your target.[/FONT]

Fixed that font thing. Thank you!

[Orpz]

If the Gift makes a player redirect all actions targetted at him, how is Mafia supposed to kill a person with the Gift? Is the gift one-night only in that regard?

Does Famous Singer know his Manager?

Town power roles are pretty strong because it's next to impossible for Mafia to fake claim as anything other than Citizen, so I would suggest adding something that Mafia can fake. For example, a roleblock or coroner.

This game shouldn't take too long to review. I'm going to let you post signups now, but you can't start the game until @MattZed gives the OK. I'll message him to let him know he needs to complete the review.

Approved

[Gyrlander]

If the Gift makes a player redirect all actions targetted at him, how is Mafia supposed to kill a person with the Gift? Is the gift one-night only in that regard?

Exactly, it only has effect for that night. I will change it so Manager the redirect thing can only be used on the Manager 1 time to prevent stalling.

Does Famous Singer know his Manager?

No, he doesn't.

Town power roles are pretty strong because it's next to impossible for Mafia to fake claim as anything other than Citizen, so I would suggest adding something that Mafia can fake. For example, a roleblock or coroner.

This game shouldn't take too long to review. I'm going to let you post signups now, but you can't start the game until @MattZed gives the OK. I'll message him to let him know he needs to complete the review.

Approved

Answers in white.

[Orpz]

Also, in the OoO you have the Gift going before Jail. How does this work if Jail is at the start of the night and acts as perfect roleblock? Is the Famous Singer's Gift-giving immune to jail roleblock? Does he have to PM you his target at the start of the day?

Also, it also follows that Famous Singer is immune to Consort roleblock. Not sure if that's intended.

[Gyrlander]

Also, in the OoO you have the Gift going before Jail. How does this work if Jail is at the start of the night and acts as perfect roleblock? Is the Famous Singer's Gift-giving immune to jail roleblock? Does he have to PM you his target at the start of the day?

The jailing thing is true, it shouldn't be like that. Redirecting jailing is not possible. If you target a player that is jailed you will redirect actions that are targeted to him by OTHER players, not the jailor. There will still be a perfect roleblock.

Also, it also follows that Famous Singer is immune to Consort roleblock. Not sure if that's intended.

No, not meant to happen. Fixing OoO for the both questions to be answered correctly.

Answered in cute white again. Updating OoO

[MattZed]

@Gyrlander

Manager should not be able to put themselves in the chat; it lets them confirm to the other person that they're the Manager. They can tell the Famous singer who they are D1.

Balance Concern: there are a lot of scum in this game relative to town. Suggestion: Make it so the failed singer doesn't know who his allies are (but they know who he is). Only his allies can factional kill, unless they're both dead.

Balance Concern: town power roles can too easily confirm themselves by claiming their night actions. Suggestion: Give scum roles that can do the same effects as town's. (IE: "Lunatic Minion," "Sleezy Manager," etc.)

Which night does the trapper interrupt: the night they make the trap or the night after?

Suggestion if it's the same night: Make the feedback indistinguishable from being roleblocked.

Mafia has to give up their night action to perform the kill under normal circumstances, right?

Town probably needs at least some possibility of a detective role to make up for the fact of how many red there are.

btw, you can keep collecting signs, but the questions/concerns I have will need to be dealt with before the game officially begins.

[Gyrlander]

@Gyrlander

Manager should not be able to put themselves in the chat; it lets them confirm to the other person that they're the Manager. They can tell the Famous singer who they are D1.

I agree; I already thought about this but I guess I forgot xD Updating!

Balance Concern: there are a lot of scum in this game relative to town. Suggestion: Make it so the failed singer doesn't know who his allies are (but they know who he is). Only his allies can factional kill, unless they're both dead.

I didn't understand what you were trying to say but I did as your suggestion says. I added that if Failed singer audits a Red he is notified that he is one of his teammates.

Balance Concern: town power roles can too easily confirm themselves by claiming their night actions. Suggestion: Give scum roles that can do the same effects as town's. (IE: "Lunatic Minion," "Sleezy Manager," etc.)

I agree. I'm adding Fan Girl to town, which is basically a Escort. I'll add a Watcher Minion, basically an Agent. Also adding a Kidnapping Minion.

Which night does the trapper interrupt: the night they make the trap or the night after?

The same night.

Suggestion if it's the same night: Make the feedback indistinguishable from being roleblocked.

Hm... If I do that I'll have to make so that roleblocks are notified, because I can't tell someone that has been roleblocked because the other roleblocker roles don't notify it. As I said, I'll make all roleblocks be notified.

Mafia has to give up their night action to perform the kill under normal circumstances, right?

Yes.

Town probably needs at least some possibility of a detective role to make up for the fact of how many red there are.

They already have a detective, but I guess I'll add a lookout, not a sheriff. I don't like a sheriff.

btw, you can keep collecting signs, but the questions/concerns I have will need to be dealt with before the game officially begins.

I've thought about adding the Famous Singer a one use ability that would basically be that they can set up a party at night, making all players to be able to talk during it. What do you think about this?

[MattZed]

I still want scum to have some way to fake Drawer/Manager; otherwise, these roles are easy to confirm and thus impossible to mislynch. (although I'd probably suggest just removing Drawer/changing their ability)

I think party sounds fine.

I suggested Sheriff because, if Town doesn't block a night kill, they only get 1 mislynch, which is really hard. I suggested a Sheriff possibility so that they're more likely to be successful D2.

[Calix]

If this is still being edited, then I would highly recommend removing the redirecting element of the Famous Singer altogether. Having night actions targeting a player to be RANDOMLY redirected to another person does not do anything for the game state.

[PowersThatBe]

I don't see any killing roles in your set-up or am I just overlooking it?

[MattZed]

If this is still being edited, then I would highly recommend removing the redirecting element of the Famous Singer altogether. Having night actions targeting a player to be RANDOMLY redirected to another person does not do anything for the game state.

Is it the randomness or the redirection you're taking exception to?

[MattZed]

I don't see any killing roles in your set-up or am I just overlooking it?

"The two minions share a factional kill and a night chat."

[Gyrlander]

I still want scum to have some way to fake Drawer/Manager; otherwise, these roles are easy to confirm and thus impossible to mislynch. (although I'd probably suggest just removing Drawer/changing their ability)

Will add the evil manager role but I don't really want to delete Drawer... he seemed cool. Hm...

I suggested Sheriff because, if Town doesn't block a night kill, they only get 1 mislynch, which is really hard. I suggested a Sheriff possibility so that they're more likely to be successful D2.
Added Sheriff.

I mean, if there can be at least the Drawer that can confirm himself easily, that would make town not so easy to mislynch someone and just lose.

EDIT: I also added Unemployed Manager.

[Calix]

Is it the randomness or the redirection you're taking exception to?

The RNG part is my main gripe.

Having a role that can redirect/ beguile people and make them immune to the Failed Singer's audits/ vote stealing may not be balanced, but I can't say for sure. It might check out given the town: scum ratio.

[Calix]

Also the OoO needs to be updated to reflect the new roles.

[Gyrlander]

Changed the redirecting thing to: Your target avoids all abilities that have him as the target that night.

[Sino]

Is the Unemployed Manager also a hidden minion ?

Can the Unemployed Manager be a member of his own chat ?

Are people aware of each other's identity when they share a night chat created by a manager ?

[Gyrlander]

Is the Unemployed Manager also a hidden minion ?

Can the Unemployed Manager be a member of his own chat ?

Are people aware of each other's identity when they share a night chat created by a manager ?

1. Yes, he is a hidden minion.

2. No he can't. He's only able to read but not to post anything.

3. Yes, they are.

[MattZed]

Unemployed Manager shouldn't be allowed to put the failed singer in a chat.

[Gyrlander]

Unemployed Manager shouldn't be allowed to put the failed singer in a chat.

Agreed.

[Gyrlander]

One town player has been added.

[ika]

i would add a
Depressed fan: Gets normal fan role card, if investigated you will always show up with a guilty results