M-FM No Citizen

[Fatalis]

canceled

[deathworlds]

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[Fatalis]

CHANGED GAME

[Orpz]

Well...uhhh this looks quite balanced. I would suggest adding more rules to safeguard yourself against lurking/shitposting. Also, will you be wanting to use Anon accounts?

I'd also edit the Mafia wincon just so you can endgame when it's obvious Town can't win (at Mafia majority).

[DarknessB]

Also, will you be wanting to use Anon accounts?

Please say no? No one likes lurkfest anon games.

[Orpz]

Nvm I just thought of something.

At 4v8, it's MYLO. A mislynch will cause the game to go into night 4v7, into day 4v5, and then even if Mafia is lynched, the game will be 3v5 into 3v3.

4v8 can be reached through 2 mislynches and 1 no lynch. D1 4v16 -> N1 4v15 -> D2 4v13 -> N2 4v12 -> D3 4v10 -> N3 4v10 -> D4 4v8. This is a little constricting, given how little information Town can receive.

Perhaps make it so Mafia's KPN is dependent on how many players are in the game?

[Fatalis]

Nvm I just thought of something.

At 4v8, it's MYLO. A mislynch will cause the game to go into night 4v7, into day 4v5, and then even if Mafia is lynched, the game will be 3v5 into 3v3.

4v8 can be reached through 2 mislynches and 1 no lynch. D1 4v16 -> N1 4v15 -> D2 4v13 -> N2 4v12 -> D3 4v10 -> N3 4v10 -> D4 4v8. This is a little constricting, given how little information Town can receive.

Perhaps make it so Mafia's KPN is dependent on how many players are in the game?

Added minimum post count rule. How about 2 kpn above 9 town remaining?

I'm undecided on anon accounts, what's your opinion?

[Cryptonic]

4v8 isn't MYLO, though, 4v7 is w/ 2 KPN.
So town would need 3 misslynches

[Cryptonic]

Also not saying I disagree with Orpz. Just trying to help you with the math when figuring out how you can change your setup to balance more.

I'd play this so hard, but afraid others would be too timid or bored

[Orpz]

Added minimum post count rule. How about 2 kpn above 9 town remaining?

I'm undecided on anon accounts, what's your opinion?

That sounds pretty good. You can also make it so if somehow Mafia gets down to 2 players before then, then they only get 1 KPN.
I personally don't like Anon accounts. It makes people feel less accountable for their lurking.

[Orpz]

4v8 isn't MYLO, though, 4v7 is w/ 2 KPN.
So town would need 3 misslynches

Nooo I'm pretty sure 4v8 is MYLO

[Quick]

Err.. replace a citizen as a Sherif?

[Cryptonic]

Nooo I'm pretty sure 4v8 is MYLO

Oh yea, I stopped reading before the second night in the scenario. 5v4 is game over due to the multikill
HEAHEHAHE

orpz can't you just let me have 1

[Cryptonic]

Just make it something like:
Mafia has 2 Factional Night Kills if they have 25% or less of the vote.

[Quick]

Just make it something like:
Mafia has 2 Factional Night Kills if they have 25% or less of the vote.

Why 25%? If its majority lynch and its a mis-lynch that could be hard to get for town. IDK the sites meta in this way so can't say one way or the other.

I do know that in a 17 player game with 4 mafioso's, having a sheriff with the rest citizens is a balanced game with just 1 NK.

On a site like Mafia Scum where there is often 2 Bandwagons to choose from this could be a viable thing for your suggestion, but again, I know nothing of this sites meta and how players handle majority here. The problem with this is that it pretty much clears or confirms the other BW. I might suggest like a 15% or 20% though. That would force town to spread the votes around a bit all the while making it a bit more ambiguous who is scum.

Alternate suggestion: if 2 or more mafia are on the lych then they get 2 NKs.

[Cryptonic]

Why 25%? If its majority lynch and its a mis-lynch that could be hard to get for town. IDK the sites meta in this way so can't say one way or the other.

I do know that in a 17 player game with 4 mafioso's, having a sheriff with the rest citizens is a balanced game with just 1 NK.

On a site like Mafia Scum where there is often 2 Bandwagons to choose from this could be a viable thing for your suggestion, but again, I know nothing of this sites meta and how players handle majority here. The problem with this is that it pretty much clears or confirms the other BW. I might suggest like a 15% or 20% though. That would force town to spread the votes around a bit all the while making it a bit more ambiguous who is scum.

Alternate suggestion: if 2 or more mafia are on the lych then they get 2 NKs.

It's not that bad, at 25%. Worst case scenario is 4v1, Mafia kills two and it's 2v1.
Orpz is correct, though, that with 2KPN w/ Mafia being more than 2 members, it's over with 2 misslynch + 1 no lynch. Which isn't completely unreasonable with the game of this size, but still can come to a quick halt. Especially with how this site is with Citizen heavy games.

Oh by 25%, I meant like their minority. Like if there are 10 players alive, Mafia has 2 kills if they are 1 or 2 players. @ 3 Players, they would control 30% of the vote and lose the second NK. Not sure how clear I was.

[Quick]

It's not that bad, at 25%. Worst case scenario is 4v1, Mafia kills two and it's 2v1.
Orpz is correct, though, that with 2KPN w/ Mafia being more than 2 members, it's over with 2 misslynch + 1 no lynch. Which isn't completely unreasonable with the game of this size, but still can come to a quick halt. Especially with how this site is with Citizen heavy games.

Oh by 25%, I meant like their minority. Like if there are 10 players alive, Mafia has 2 kills if they are 1 or 2 players. @ 3 Players, they would control 30% of the vote and lose the second NK. Not sure how clear I was.

Yeah, that makes way more sense.

[Fatalis]

Just make it something like:
Mafia has 2 Factional Night Kills if they have 25% or less of the vote.

Making it percentage based does improve balance, but I feel it would take away town's incentive if they can get an early lynch on the mafia. With 2 KPN above 9 towns it would be like
16v4
13v4
10v4
7v4
5v4
So 4 mislynches to get to LYLO, which I think is fine for an all cit game.
With 1 no lynch 3 mislynch e.g. on day 1 it would be
16v4
14v4
11v4
8v4
6v4
and we end up at MYLO
With 1 correct lynch and 4 mislynch e.g. on day 1 it would be
16v4
14v3
11v3
8v3
6v3
4v3
and LYLO

so I think 2 KPN at above 9 and 1 kpn at 9 or below would be the best option here

[Fatalis]

Err.. replace a citizen as a Sherif?

The point of the game is to see how well players can scum hunt purely on daychat analysis

[Quick]

The point of the game is to see how well players can scum hunt purely on daychat analysis

Yeah, I was clear on that by my second post.

[Quick]

If there are 11 Town left (because of Modkill or something) can Mafia do 2 NK's?