S-FM Give or Take

[Calix]

Give or Take

[12 players]

Sleuth
Backup Jailkeeper
Mafioso
Vigilante
Backup Sleuth
Jailkeeper
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Spoiler : Roles :

Mafia

Sleuth
- Check a player at night for their role
- Mafioso shows up as Citizen

Backup Jailkeeper
- If the Town Jailkeeper dies, the player inherits their abilities
- Can jail a player at night, protecting and roleblocking them
- Targets are not informed of being jailed

Mafioso
- No night actions

Town

Vigilante
- Shoot a player at night
- 2 uses

Backup Sleuth
- If the Mafia Sleuth dies, the player inherits their abilities
- Can check a player at night for their role
- Mafioso shows up as Citizen

Jailkeeper
- Jail a player at night, protecting and roleblocking them
- Targets are not informed of being jailed

Citizen
- No night actions

Win Conditions

Mafia: Eliminate the Town or have nothing preventing this from occuring. Have one Mafia member survive to the end
Town: Eliminate the Mafia and have one Town member survive to the end

Game Mechanics

- Game starts on Day 1 with a lynch
- Day 1 lasts 72 hours. Other days last 48 hours
- Nights last 24 hours
- Majority vote required (ends the day)
- Mafia can sacrifice their action to perform the night kill
- Mafia have a night chat
- No Last Wills or Death Notes allowed

Rules

- No out-of-game communication
- No excessive personal attacks
- Directly quoting PMs from the Host is not allowed (paraphrasing is accepted)
- Spam or continuous off-topic posts are not allowed
- Lurkers will be replaced
- English only
- Players must work towards their win condition. Legitimate or threatened game-throws are not allowed
- Deliberate attempts to circumvent the rules are not allowed

Order of Operations

- Jailkeeper protects/ roleblocks target
- Sleuth investigates
- Mafia factional kill
- Vigilante kill

[Firebringer]

Hmmm.....Why not just have Back ups....be back ups?
So its not like X dies, so Y is scum.

[Calix]

Hmmm.....Why not just have Back ups....be back ups?
So its not like X dies, so Y is scum.

Not sure I follow your line of thought here.

It's to give players incentive to protect their PRs, since having the Mafia Sleuth/ Town Jailkeeper die would not only mean they lost a member, but that a member of the opposing team has their abilities activated.

[Firebringer]

Not sure I follow your line of thought here.

It's to give players incentive to protect their PRs, since having the Mafia Sleuth/ Town Jailkeeper die would not only mean they lost a member, but that a member of the opposing team has their abilities activated.

I might be too tired...I guess I get it from that perspective. But where is the sheriff jailor role?

[Firebringer]

What about the fire briner mechanic that every game needs?

[Calix]

What about the fire briner mechanic that every game needs?

You are the Fire Briner mechanic.

You are the Sheriff Jailor and true MVP.

It is that simple.

[ika]

The setup you took is form ms isnt it....

[MattZed]

@Calix , I'm ready to approve this after the the KPN issue is dealt with.

Major Concern: Town has an equal KPN to scum.

Are players notified of being jailed?

Would you like to have a rule against threatened gamethrows?

Concern: The backup mechanic is an anti-comeback mechanic, which can make the game more swingy; If town lynch the correct mafia, they gain a sheriff.

[Calix]

@Calix, I'm ready to approve this after the the KPN issue is dealt with.

Major Concern: Town has an equal KPN to scum.

Can you walk me through why this is a problem or can it be fixed by limiting the shots? (thinking of 2)

Are players notified of being jailed?

Would you like to have a rule against threatened gamethrows?

1. No.

2. Good idea. Will update the rules to account for recent events later.

Concern: The backup mechanic is an anti-comeback mechanic, which can make the game more swingy; If town lynch the correct mafia, they gain a sheriff.

This is intentional. Mafia have to be careful not to have their Sleuth get lynched and the Jailkeeper has to make sure they do not die early.

[MattZed]

Can you walk me through why this is a problem or can it be fixed by limiting the shots? (thinking of 2)

The issue here is that the vigilante can play as a solo SK and try to win by killing everyone, with a backup of being able to win with town. An SK in this setup would have a mild, although unfairly small, chance of winning, and rolling that chance into the town gives town a significant buff. A 1-2 shot limit would deal with this fairly effectively, however.

[MattZed]

Now that the issues have been addressed, setup is Approved for signups.

[Calix]

Now accepting pre-signs!

1. MattZed
2. MiniZed
3. DarknessB
4. Never Unlucky

Please form an orderly queue for the masses of people that will obviously come flooding in.