S-FM Terminators Return (10P)

[Firebringer]

S-FM Terminators Return
Terminator
US Citizen – [Citizen/Protector]
British Citizen- [Citizen/Protector]
France Citizen- [Citizen/Protector]
Germany Citizen- [Citizen/Protector]
Russia Citizen-[Citizen/Protector]
Canada Citizen-[Citizen/Protector]
Mexico Citizen- [Citizen/Protector]
Scientist- [Neutral Evil]
Researcher-[Neutral Evil]


Possible Roles:
Terminator
6 Citizens [One randomly has John Conner sub-role]
1 Protector
1 Scientist
1 Researcher

Special Mechanics:
One random citizen is John Connor. No one is informed except him that he is John Connor. After Judgement day he will become that role.

Judgement Day- At end of day 3 before night begins, the bombs start dropping and the whole world changes. This causes Everyone’s roles except the terminator to change, and John Connor whose role just gets additonal powers as shown in role cards. Role list will vary depending on the amount of players alive. But the role list if no one is dead is as follows:

Role List if No one Dies:
Terminator
Skynet Random
Skynet Random
John Conner
Resistance Intelligence [Investigator]
Resistance Intelligence [Investigator]
Resistance Medic [Protector]
Resistance Medic [Protector]
Resistance Fighter [Killing]
Human Survivor [Benign]

Order of Elimination:

Spoiler : Elmination Order :

1 Player Dies: 3/5/1---Town Investigator Removed
2 Players Die: 2/5/1---SKyNet Random Removed
3 Players Die: 2/4/1---Town Killing Removed
4 Players Die: 2/4---Human Survivor

In a 3/5/1 and a 2/4/1 a weighting system is used for the Human Survivor to decrease chances of Quisling but it will still be possible. Odds in this scenario are 50% Survivor, 40% Recruit, and 10% Quisling

Possible Roles:
John Conner
Investigator-Sergeant, Surveillance Officer, Scout, Cadet
Protector-Medical Officer, Squad Medic, Spy, Cadet
Killing- Pilot, Soldier, Cadet
Terminator
SkyNet Random-Operative, Data Collector, Virus, Manipulator
Benign-Survivor, Recruit, Quisling


Role List:
Pre Judgement Day:

Spoiler : Pre Judgement day :

Citizen-

Player has no vests, but can acquire one from Protector before night begins.

Protector

Limited to one.
Has 2 vests can give out, 1 on each night.
Can give out a vest same night you guard a player.
Can guard a player and shield them from death, this will kill the player but not the terminator.

Terminator

Have the ability to target and kill a player at night.
Your goal is to kill John Conner to win.

Scientist

Have research options that will create items for them that can help them out in the future.
You can create another item on Day 2 if you didn't vote.
Ensure Judgement Day happens then win with your new role.

Researcher

Have research options that will create items for them that can help them out in the future.
You can create another item on Day 2 if you didn't vote.
Ensure Judgement Day happens then win with your new role.

Judgement Day Role List:

Spoiler : Judgement Day :

Cadet

You have no night abilities.

John Connor

You can reveal giving yourself 2 votes during the day.
You cannot be healed.
You can control one town role to do an action at night before you reveal, they can comply or not and if they don’t they will not perform an action. You will be informed if they obeyed or not.
You lose ability to control that town when you reveal.

Sergeant [Investigative]

Player can check a player at night to see if they are apart of Skynet or not suspicious.
Neutrals will show not suspicious.

Scout [Investigative]

Check a player to see who visited them
You can check yourself

Surveillance Officer [Investigative]

Check a player at night to see who they visited

Medical Officer [Protective]

Can heal a player at night protecting them from death
Cannot heal themselves.
Cannot heal John Connor

Squad Medic [Protective]

Guard a player at night to protect them from death
Will kill both the player and the attacking player if target is attacked.
If guarded player successfully he cannot be healed for that night.
Cannot guard themselves

Spy [Protective]

Will be given a copy of SkyNet chat with names excluded.
Can change the skynets intended kill to be himself for one night.
Cannot be guarded by bodyguard if uses ability to change targets, nor healed.

Resistance Pilot [Killing]

Uses a plane to attack a player at night killing them.
Limited to three kills
2 if only 2 mafia exist on judgement day.

Resistance Soldier [Killing]

Uses a gun to fire shots at someone at night and kill them.
Limited to two shots plus a gun that he can give away on his death to any player.
I shot if only 2 mafia exist on judgement day, plus the one he gives out to a player when he dies

Terminator

Performs the nightly kill function
Is night immune.
Is immune to detection from Sergeants.

SkyNet Operative [Random]

Can visit a player at night and make them appear as SkyNet to Sergeant.
Is immune to detection
Becomes terminator if Terminator dies.

SkyNet Data Collector [Random]

Can visit a player at night and find out who they visited and who targeted them.
Becomes terminator if Terminator dies.

SkyNet Virus [Random]

Visit a player who dies at night to steal their last will and delete their role before it is shown to town following morning
Can delete 3 roles.
Cannot be seen by Scout
Becomes terminator if terminator dies.

SkyNet Manipulator [Random]

visit a player at night and control the person they visit.
Cannot be detected by Sergeant.
Target knows they were manipulated.
You can cause self targets
Becomes terminator if terminator dies.

Survivor [Benign]

Has two vests that it can use to become night immune

Quisling [Benign]

You have no alignment but you want to join SkyNet
If a Skynet member dies you can become a random Skynet role before night starts.
Your role is not announced but the town is informed that someone has picked a side the following day.

Recruit [Benign]

You have no alignment but you want to join the resistance
If a town member dies you can become a random town role (Not killing) before night starts.
Your role is not announced but the town is informed that someone has picked a side the following day.

Research Options for Scientist and Researcher:

Spoiler : Research Options :

• Players use night action to research an item
• Players can get an extra research item if they didn’t vote on Day 2.
• All of these are ITEMS, they can be given to other players at any point in the game, night or day as long as player is alive. If player dies holding the item they are given to Terminator.
• You pick the category of item you want, the odds of getting the item is random after that.
• You can pick the same category twice.
• You can have multiple of same item.

NanoTech Tracker-[Offensive]
One time use that will follow a players actions for two nights and report it to the item holder.
Will get nightly feedback updates as if you checked them.

Mind Control Helmet-[Offensive]
One time use that will control a player to target another player.
Can use it to force a self target.

Untested Advanced Rifle-[Offensive]
One time use that will allow you to kill a player with a 100% certainty if successful. 50% of success and if it fails it will kill you.

Thermal Grenade-[Offensive]
One time grenade that attach to self, if visited by someone killing will explode and take you along with them.

Correctional Behavior Collar-[Offensive]
One time use that allows you to put a collar on a player stopping them from talking the next day.
Player that has collar on can vote and unvote twice, can only say “I am a bad dog.” Once in the day chat for that day.

Scrambler Radar-[Defensive]
One time use that stops a player from being checked by any invest actions
Used only on self.

Advanced Biotic Destabilizer-[Defensive]
One time use that will stop a player from performing night actions for a night.

Nano Biomedicine-[Defensive]
One time use heals player from being killed for one night. Doesn’t work if player body guarded someone.
Cannot be used on self

Transporter-[Defensive]
Allows one time switch of two players. Changing the targets

Prototype Armor-[Defensive]
One time vest and shields a player from dying at night. Doesn’t work if player is body guarding someone.

Satellite Network-[Power]
Creates a network that can add players each night to post messages to
All messages on network is posted during the day. All posted anonymously.

Voice Changer-[Power]
Allows you to impersonate John Connor and have 2 extra votes for next day.

Win Conditions:
If win conditions are met for Terminator or Town before Judgement day the game ends there.

Pre-Judgment Day
Terminator-Eliminate John Connor
Town-Eliminate the Scientist & Researcher to stop Judgement day from occurring. Protect John Conner or you lose.
Scientist & Researcher-Do not get lynched or killed before judgement day, then win with your faction after judgement day.

Post Judgment Day
SkyNet-Destroy the Resistance.
Resistance-Eliminate SkyNet
Benign-Survive to the end, or if you join a faction (Quisling/Recruit) see your team win.


Order of Operations:
.1 John Conner gives orders.
.2 Quisling/Recruit joins a team
NIGHT BEGINS
NIGHT CHAT BEGINS/ENDS--Spy is given night chat.
1. Protective action/ Vest if Applied
2. SKYNET Actions [Non Killing]
3. Resistance Killing
5. Terminator Kill Action
6. Investigator Action
NIGHT ENDS

Rules of Conduct:

1. No Out of Game Communication
2. No editing posts
3. 1 post per day chat minimum
4. No videos/pictures/links
5. Only default font, size, color. Bold/Italics, and Underline permitted. You can still quote/spoiler tags.

Miscellaneous Information:

• Game starts at Day 1 with no lynch. 12 hour day.
• Days last 24 hours, nights last 24 hours.
• Judgement day’s first night (Night 3) will last 48 hours.
• Death Descriptions will be given.
• Suicide is not allowed.
• Night chat available after Judgment Day.
• Post judgement day there is likely going to be at least 1 Cadet.

Additional Info:

Spoiler : Scientist and Researcher Additional :

They can't use items same night they are created, they will be informed after night is over and given the item they completed, if they are killed the terminator is given his item and informed he stole it of the dead Researcher/Scientists body.

Items are separate actions form night actions, you can use as many items you want in a night. You can also give them to another player at any point, you will be informed who gave it to you though. So you could use it to solidify your town claim for instance by giving it to John or helping SkyNet by giving it to them.

[deathworlds]

I've been thinking about doing some sort of game where the role list changes because of some event, i like it.

[Bruno]

i'd sign up for this if you bothered to use proper punctuation

:^)

[Bruno]

1. No Out of Game Communication
2. No editing posts
3. 1 post per day chat minimum
4. No videos/pictures/links
5. Only default font, size, color. Bold/Italics, and Underline permitted. You can still quote/spoiler tags.

fuck you

[Slaol]

Could you mind showing the judgement day ratios per numbers remaining at the time?

Like

10: 3/6/1
9: 2/6/1
8: 2/5/1
7: 2/5
6: 2/4
5: 1/4
4: 1/3
3: 1/2

Also might I suggest the ratios I just made for this example

[deathworlds]

Could you mind showing the judgement day ratios per numbers remaining at the time?

Like

10: 3/6/1
9: 2/6/1
8: 2/5/1
7: 2/5
6: 2/4
5: 1/4
4: 1/3
3: 1/2

Also might I suggest the ratios I just made for this example

6 Would be the same as 3, simplified of course.

[Firebringer]

fuck you

You clearly understand that rule was made because the way you behave in our current game.

Could you mind showing the judgement day ratios per numbers remaining at the time?

Like

10: 3/6/1
9: 2/6/1---SkyNet Random Removed.
8: 2/5/1---Resistance Intelligence Removed
7: 2/5-----Human Survivor Removed
6: 2/4-----Resistance Fighter Removed.
5: 1/4-----Not Possible By End of Day 3
4: 1/3-----Not Possible By End of Day 3
3: 1/2-----Not Possible By End of Day 3

Also might I suggest the ratios I just made for this example

As I added to your post, these are roles that are set to be removed in that order based on my original post.

There is a posisble 4 deaths before judgement day begins based on this-
Night 1 Terminator successfully kills someone
Day 2 A player is lynched
Night 2 Terminator successfully kills someone
Day 3 A player is lynched.

I am actually thinking of adding a one time hide ability for scientist/researcher so they don't get randomly offed by Terminator.
I want to make judgement day have a huge chance of happening, not impossible to avoid though. Since obviously town has two lynches they could prevent it.


Thanks for support so far on this though

[Slaol]

Fire if you could officially add that to post if you're using it that'd be swell

[Cryptonic]

What is John Connor is lynched before day 3? Does that still count for Terminator win?

[Firebringer]

What is John Connor is lynched before day 3? Does that still count for Terminator win?

Yes.

[Bruno]

terminators'

[Cryptonic]

Do Scientist / Researcher become Skynet Random, or can it be any pre-judgement role?

[Firebringer]

Do Scientist / Researcher become Skynet Random, or can it be any pre-judgement role?

They can become any role, excluding John Connor.
All roles get randomized except for Terminator (if still alive), and John Connor (who just has new abilities)

[Cryptonic]

Can players use a Researcher/Scientist item & their night action in the same night, or 2+ items, ect?

[Cryptonic]

Also, Quisling is very imba.
If no one dies, then it's 6v4. 1 one person dies, it's 5v4. Town really stands no chance in this situation.

Also, 2 towns are removed before 1 Mafia? If 4 people die, which they likely will, then it will be 4v3. Town loses that night unless they get successful night actions.

[Firebringer]

Can players use a Researcher/Scientist item & their night action in the same night, or 2+ items, ect?

They can't use items same ngiht they are created, they will be informed after night is over and given the item they completed, if they were killed the terminator is given his item and informed he stole it of the dead Researcher/Scientists body.

Items are separate actions form night actions, you can use as many items you want in a night. You can also give them to another player at any point, you will be informed who gave it to you though. So you could use it to solidify your town claim for instance by giving it to John or helping SkyNet by giving it to them.

Also, Quisling is very imba.
If no one dies, then it's 6v4. 1 one person dies, it's 5v4. Town really stands no chance in this situation.

Also, 2 towns are removed before 1 Mafia? If 4 people die, which they likely will, then it will be 4v3. Town loses that night unless they get successful night actions.

How about instances of 5v4 and 4v3 a weighting system will be used to give more weight to survivor? Or just make the role confirmed survivor.

[Cryptonic]

Survivor or Recruit (Town Amnes) could be good, just Quisling is kind of scary to have lol.

Maybe swap Skynet & Neutral benign on that list
So it's..
3v6v1, then 3v5v1, then 2v5v1, then 2v4v1, then 2v4
2v4 isn't that bad since you're not having Citizen

[Firebringer]

Survivor or Recruit (Town Amnes) could be good, just Quisling is kind of scary to have lol.

Maybe swap Skynet & Neutral benign on that list
So it's..
3v6v1, then 3v5v1, then 2v5v1, then 2v4v1, then 2v4
2v4 isn't that bad since you're not having Citizen

Alright will do that, with added 3v5v1 and 2v4v1 uses weighting system to give smaller chance for a Quisling but is still possible.

[Stealthbomber16]

Recruit [Benign]-
*You have no alignment but you want to join the resistance
*If a town member dies you can become a random town role (Not killing) before night starts.

Is the town informed that he picked a side?

John Conner-
*You are humanities leader
*You can reveal giving yourself 2 votes during the day.
*You cannot be healed
*You can control one town role to do an action at night, they can comply or not and if they don’t they will not perform an action. You will be informed if they did disobeyed.

How do you plan to make him only control town roles without giving him an advantage?
Can he control town roles before revealing?

Scientist & Researcher-
*Have research options available to them noted below that can help them out in future
*Survive and don’t get lynched or killed during Judgement day then win with your new role.

Can you clarify this role a bit more?

1 Player Dies: 3/5/1---Town Investigator Removed
2 Players Die: 2/5/1---SKyNet Random Removed
3 Players Die: 2/4/1---Town Killing Removed
4 Players Die: 2/4---Human Survivor

What if terminator is lynched beforehand? Do you skip to judgement day, does the game end? What happens?

Scout-Check a player to see who visited them
Surveillance Officer-Check a player at night to see who they visited

You forgot to color these roles.
Is they investigatives?

Terminator-
*Performs the nightly kill function
*Is night immune.
*Is immune to detection from Sergeants.

If the Terminator dies, does a random SkyNet become Terminator or a Virus?

More questions will probably come later.

[Firebringer]

Is the town informed that he picked a side?

Yes, I will fix that.

How do you plan to make him only control town roles without giving him an advantage?
Can he control town roles before revealing?

Hmm that might be a little to op. I might just give him that power before he reveals, after he won't have it.

Can you clarify this role a bit more?

Researcher and Scientist basically can't win till after judgement day. Their goal basically is to ensure it happens then win later. I don't know what exactly you need clarifying. They can research items at night that will help them out in future.

What if terminator is lynched beforehand? Do you skip to judgement day, does the game end? What happens?

Nothing, towns goal isn't to kill the terminator. Their goal is to get rid of Scientist and Researcher. Game continues as if nothing happened, John Connor though is safe from an attack which helps out, but unless Terminator say killed a Scientist N1 and you lynched him day 2. Judgement day is pretty much ensured to happen.

You forgot to color these roles.
Is they investigatives?

Yes, I am going to fix all the role cards. As shown in possible roles, those are investigative possibilities.

If the Terminator dies, does a random SkyNet become Terminator or a Virus?

If you read the role cards for all the skynet randoms it says that one of them becomes terminator. It will be assigned randomly among the two left over, unless theres only one player.

[Stealthbomber16]

Researcher and Scientist basically can't win till after judgement day. Their goal basically is to ensure it happens then win later. I don't know what exactly you need clarifying. They can research items at night that will help them out in future.

Thats what I need clarifying. What do they research?

[Firebringer]

Thats what I need clarifying. What do they research?

Below role list under "Research Options" In there is the possible items they can research.

[Orpz]

Can Protector give out vests and guard on the same night?


For Spy, it would be broken if you let them into the night chat, as they will just learn who the Mafia is and easily win. Instead, consider sending a chat log at the end of the night with all names redacted. That way, you can also make it an X-use night ability.

Can Skynet Manipulator or Mind Control Helmet cause self targets?

Does Nanotech tracker give the information night-by-night, or all at once after the second night?

I personally am not a fan of RNG, so you might want to consider reworking Untested Advanced Rifle.

[Firebringer]

Can Protector give out vests and guard on the same night?


For Spy, it would be broken if you let them into the night chat, as they will just learn who the Mafia is and easily win. Instead, consider sending a chat log at the end of the night with all names redacted. That way, you can also make it an X-use night ability.

Can Skynet Manipulator or Mind Control Helmet cause self targets?

Does Nanotech tracker give the information night-by-night, or all at once after the second night?

I personally am not a fan of RNG, so you might want to consider reworking Untested Advanced Rifle.

1) Yes, you can give one out then guard someone that night. Will edit that into setup to clarify.

2) Yes, they can cause self targets. Will put that in the setup to clarify

3) The feedback would be as if you checked them at night, so yes. After night is over you will get feedback.

The Untested Advanced Rifle is supposed to be used in emergencies only, sort of like strategy kind of play. For possible clutch kill to win the game if your team is behind.

I will change spy so he just gets the log.

[Firebringer]

So anything more that needs to be done for this game? Any questions/comments/concerns?

This one will be next game I eventually host (whenever that is) so it would be appreciated

[Firebringer]

With this being my next hosted game, and with recent events of my last game. One small change I made was adding a citizen like role to the "Post Judgement Day" list.

Recruit-
No night abilities.

It will be under: Killing, Investigator, Protection.

It will have lower chance of other roles, but I will not tell you exact chances of role being for each category.

[deathworlds]

With this being my next hosted game, and with recent events of my last game. One small change I made was adding a citizen like role to the "Post Judgement Day" list.

Recruit-
No night abilities.

It will be under: Killing, Investigator, Protection.

It will have lower chance of other roles, but I will not tell you exact chances of role being for each category.

Is it really necessary to have two protective roles in a 1 kpn game?

[Firebringer]

Is it really necessary to have two protective roles in a 1 kpn game?

Considering I added a Citizen role to all 3 categories of town, I think it works fine.

There likely will be 1 Citizen in the game (though I won't give you odds I am planning to keep the weighting system to myself until after the game is over)

So it could be in one of the protective slots.

[BananaCucho]

Considering I added a Citizen role to all 3 categories of town, I think it works fine.

There likely will be 1 Citizen in the game (though I won't give you odds I am planning to keep the weighting system to myself until after the game is over)

So it could be in one of the protective slots.

Ugh weighting system and actually random booooo

[deathworlds]

Considering I added a Citizen role to all 3 categories of town, I think it works fine.

There likely will be 1 Citizen in the game (though I won't give you odds I am planning to keep the weighting system to myself until after the game is over)

So it could be in one of the protective slots.

wow 5 town power roles in a 3 scum game.

steamroll?

I think yes.

[Stealthbomber16]

wow 5 town power roles in a 3 scum game.

steamroll?

I think yes.

-vote Town Power Role

Can I introduce you to our lord and savior Citizen?

[Firebringer]

May I post sign ups for this game?

I will wait to start until Stealth game finishes.

[Stealthbomber16]

May I post sign ups for this game?

I will wait to start until Stealth game finishes.

[Stealthbomber16]

The game can end night 1.

Spy would be a lot of work to keep in the game. With this in mind, I'd consider reworking or even removing it.

Dead chat?

[Firebringer]

The game can end night 1.

Spy would be a lot of work to keep in the game. With this in mind, I'd consider reworking or even removing it.


Dead chat?

1) Unfortunately yes, this is to give Terminator reasonable chance of winning. He has two NK to get his intended target. The protector can basically guard two players unless protector does bad and or Terminator gets lucky. I think it should be fine.

2) Stays in, I can make it work fine.

3)I have yet to see a S-FM dead chat, but I am willing to add it for players if they request it.

[Orpz]

Approved for signups

I read it through a few times and nothing really irked me.

Fair warning though. Because it's intended, if the game does end prematurely with John Connor's death, there will be no remakes.

[Firebringer]

Of course.

If John Conner dies.

The machines win. It only makes sense.

[Cryptonic]

Of course.

If John Conner dies.

The machines win. It only makes sense.

John Connor can't die, though. Terminator is all about predetermined destiny, you can't change the future!
THE PLOT HOLES

[Firebringer]

John Connor can't die, though. Terminator is all about predetermined destiny, you can't change the future!
THE PLOT HOLES

So what you are saying is I should rig this game?

[DarknessB]

So what you are saying is I should rig this game?

So now we need to send someone to the past in order to prevent Firebringer from rigging the game?