Day 1: The Awakening

**FM Auckmid** · December 30th, 2014, 10:31 AM

I am part of the Gaang

**FM Auckmid** · December 30th, 2014, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by FM Crimson

-vote FM Gerik

ozzy is most likey town, false is probably scum with gerik

On what do you base this?

**FM Gerik** · December 30th, 2014, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by FM Yayap

Did someone say to do the thing?! *slow motion turn* **cue sparkles and mysterious breeze**

Auckmid's post containing "hello guys" could be false since not everyone here is a 'guy'. I would rather be over cautious than sorry especially since I know one of the hosts was pretty madbro about town loopholes to blackmail in FM 18...

Or maybe it's just the OCD coming out.

Truthseeing detects whether or not there are any lies within a given post and only receives a yes or no confirmation from the hosts ("Yes, there is a lie somewhere in the post" or "No, the entire post is true"). As such, if that statement (or a similar statement with no/impossible to determine truth value) is in a larger post, it will be ignored and the truth seeing will assess whether or there are any lies in the remainder of the post. If there is a post that contains nothing but similar statements, a truthseer would be very unwise to select it as it would give them no information about the game whatsoever. (FAQ quote)

That said this is correct.

I'm fine with votes. Maybe a few more and.........

Just because as I feared this one role is dominating chat when will his/her leads be worth revealing? How many confirmed town = a scum find in your mind.
Feel free to ask about the dots. The answer is every bit of a smart ass tone as their insinuation is just because of the tangents we are going on.

**FM FalseTruth** · December 30th, 2014, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by FM Crimson

-vote FM Gerik

ozzy is most likey town, false is probably scum with gerik

"Probably" meaning not at all.

**FM Clawtrocity** · December 30th, 2014, 10:39 AM

I am part of the gaang

**FM Yayap** · December 30th, 2014, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by FM Gerik

Truthseeing detects whether or not there are any lies within a given post and only receives a yes or no confirmation from the hosts ("Yes, there is a lie somewhere in the post" or "No, the entire post is true"). As such, if that statement (or a similar statement with no/impossible to determine truth value) is in a larger post, it will be ignored and the truth seeing will assess whether or there are any lies in the remainder of the post. If there is a post that contains nothing but similar statements, a truthseer would be very unwise to select it as it would give them no information about the game whatsoever. (FAQ quote)

That said this is correct.

I'm fine with votes. Maybe a few more and.........

Just because as I feared this one role is dominating chat when will his/her leads be worth revealing? How many confirmed town = a scum find in your mind.
Feel free to ask about the dots. The answer is every bit of a smart ass tone as their insinuation is just because of the tangents we are going on.

Turn toph into a sheriff by posting the exact phrase with no ambiguity. Then it won't have to dominate day chat.

**FM Ozymandias** · December 30th, 2014, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by FM FalseTruth

Gerik, Ozy might be anal scum, but still, it wouldn't hurt to make the post. Don't do it for him, do it for Town.

In the car on my phone, apologies for typos.

Never asked him to do it for me. That's why it cracks me up that he wants to "scumhunt" but refuses to help town via Toph post. Day 1 scumhunting is dumb because there is no info. And yet, hilariously, despite the fact that he insists I am not scumhunting, his refusal to make that post tells me far more about him than my listmaking tells everyone else about me.

Just to be clear (to everyone, not just Garik - clarified since he's taking this Toph thing so personally), not doing the Toph post hurts the Town in two distinct ways.

First, if you are indeed Town and don't do it, you bring suspicion on yourself, detracting from search for scum and risking a mislynch on a town role.

Second, you lower the pool of posts the Truthseer can pick from and thus risk allowing scum to find and eliminate Truthseer via roles like Mass Murderer or Tracker.

Speaking of asking hosts, someone on a compy with better access to bbcode should ask if Toph's night action 'visits' the person who posts so as to confirm the above. If no one else does before I get back on with my lappy, then I will tonight.

Crim, appreciate the vote of confidence, but it's wiser to reserve judgement or declerations of innocence or guilt until after day 1. For all you know, I'm a clever scum. And Gerik's scummimess may be a function of many things - even simple inexperience. We'll know more tomorrow no doubt.

**FM Ozymandias** · December 30th, 2014, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by FM Gerik

Truthseeing detects whether or not there are any lies within a given post and only receives a yes or no confirmation from the hosts ("Yes, there is a lie somewhere in the post" or "No, the entire post is true"). As such, if that statement (or a similar statement with no/impossible to determine truth value) is in a larger post, it will be ignored and the truth seeing will assess whether or there are any lies in the remainder of the post. If there is a post that contains nothing but similar statements, a truthseer would be very unwise to select it as it would give them no information about the game whatsoever. (FAQ quote)

That said this is correct.

I'm fine with votes. Maybe a few more and.........

Just because as I feared this one role is dominating chat when will his/her leads be worth revealing? How many confirmed town = a scum find in your mind.
Feel free to ask about the dots. The answer is every bit of a smart ass tone as their insinuation is just because of the tangents we are going on.

Self fulfilling prophecy - you feared it would dominate chat, and by your refusal to do it, it dominates chat. Everyone just post the damn thing and we can move on. You put too much faith in your magical ability to intuit scum day 1 with no leads based on grammar. Don't let your ego derail the chat please.

**FM Auckmid** · December 30th, 2014, 10:46 AM

Hosts, could you put the links for the profiles in the day start post pls?

**FM Clawtrocity** · December 30th, 2014, 10:49 AM

Sorry for my not quite right gaang post. I was tr ying to be more specific

**FM Crimson** · December 30th, 2014, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by FM Ozymandias

Crim, appreciate the vote of confidence, but it's wiser to reserve judgement or declerations of innocence or guilt until after day 1. For all you know, I'm a clever scum. And Gerik's scummimess may be a function of many things - even simple inexperience. We'll know more tomorrow no doubt.

This only reinforces my town read on you.

By the way gerik is speaking she is obviously not a newbie. You have also pointed out that he has yet to do the activity and is trying to control the discussion in a manner that fits their narrative.

If gerik think some claim is going to save them they better claim now cuz im not into buying the "i'm ok with votes on me" shit or the "i'm hinting soft claims"

You either speak up and talk or you shut up and eat rope

mods if a post is quoted and toph checks it, does it count?

EX
/post

Originally Posted by another player

i am town

/post

would it truth see the quoted for player or the person who quoted it?

**FM Yayap** · December 30th, 2014, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by FM Ozymandias

And Gerik's scummimess may be a function of many things - even simple inexperience. We'll know more tomorrow no doubt.

In my book, (Gerik) being anti town doesn't necessarily equal scummy. Can you please go into more detail why you view Gerik as scummy?

**FM Yayap** · December 30th, 2014, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by FM Crimson

This only reinforces my town read on you.

By the way gerik is speaking she is obviously not a newbie. You have also pointed out that he has yet to do the activity and is trying to control the discussion in a manner that fits their narrative.

If gerik think some claim is going to save them they better claim now cuz im not into buying the "i'm ok with votes on me" shit or the "i'm hinting soft claims"

You either speak up and talk or you shut up and eat rope

mods if a post is quoted and toph checks it, does it count?

EX
/post

/post

would it truth see the quoted for player or the person who quoted it?

Oh shit. Based on truth seeing description I think it would be for the player quoted.

Very good catch, Crimson seeming exceptionally town.

**FM Ozymandias** · December 30th, 2014, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by FM Yayap

In my book, (Gerik) being anti town doesn't necessarily equal scummy. Can you please go into more detail why you view Gerik as scummy?

I'll do a full write up of all his posts with quotes when I'm on my laptop again. Sticking to shorter posts and no bb code cause phone.

But it really doesn't matter on day 1. I could analyze any post as anti or pro town and make my own narrative. Without leads, it means nothing. Day 1 scumhunting is dumb for that reason. Gerik could be doing some idiot Claw gambit because he thinks he's hot shit, and only wind up derailimg the game. That's most likely theory now that I think about it.

**FM Yayap** · December 30th, 2014, 11:00 AM

Based on quoting posts, we can possibly confirm more than one player as town at once OR figure out that there is a scum within a smaller group of people.

This is like some other pre-existing FM role so I don't think it's game breaking or anything and therefore should be allowed.

**FM Yayap** · December 30th, 2014, 11:04 AM

This is even more of a reason for people to post that they are a member of the Gaang, no alterations or exceptions. I'm getting a huge role usage boner here.

**FM MrSmarter** · December 30th, 2014, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by FM Yayap

Based on quoting posts, we can possibly confirm more than one player as town at once OR figure out that there is a scum within a smaller group of people.

This is like some other pre-existing FM role so I don't think it's game breaking or anything and therefore should be allowed.

I say be careful though when doing this. If you have 3 quotes and a 1 quoter and toph checks the post then there could be 2 scum in the group and all we know is that one of them is scum. They could potentially hide one of them in that post.
Although since we don't know how the role truly works if it even effects quotes everyone should still keep on posting they are a member of the Gaang.

**FM Clawtrocity** · December 30th, 2014, 11:09 AM

Voting gerik because of his refusal to change his statement

-vote fm gerik

**FM Ozymandias** · December 30th, 2014, 11:09 AM

I understand that Truthseer can't be manipulated by Witch since it targets posts, but does Truthseer's selection cause visitation? I.e. would a Lookout/Detective/Tracker see Truthseer visiting the person who posted whatever post Toph selects?

If so, that makes checking a large quote a risky gambit for Toph.

**FM Goonswarm** · December 30th, 2014, 11:11 AM

Woke up, saw suspicion on people who detracted from "I am part of the Gaang" post. Didn't care too much.

Also saw suspicion on the one with the list because "It's an easy way for scum to look town."

Gerik and Crimson, you two need to get Avatars. I would hate to see an active player get modkilled/replaced over something so insignificant. I am sure you will get a warning about it before the action. But still.

Speaking of lists, Who all hasn't posted yet? I am too lazy to make a list xD

**FM Clawtrocity** · December 30th, 2014, 11:12 AM

Also for tomorrow and any other days. Be sure to post feedback claims and shit in one post

**FM Clawtrocity** · December 30th, 2014, 11:14 AM

Unfortunately for the holidays i dont have access to a computer. Im doing my best to remain active via mobile

**FM Ozymandias** · December 30th, 2014, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by FM Goonswarm

Woke up, saw suspicion on people who detracted from "I am part of the Gaang" post. Didn't care too much.

Also saw suspicion on the one with the list because "It's an easy way for scum to look town."

Gerik and Crimson, you two need to get Avatars. I would hate to see an active player get modkilled/replaced over something so insignificant. I am sure you will get a warning about it before the action. But still.

Speaking of lists, Who all hasn't posted yet? I am too lazy to make a list xD

I'm on my phone, so I can't update. I think the last lzist was page 5 and only a couple people need to be added.

**FM Goonswarm** · December 30th, 2014, 11:18 AM

Ahh I see. Then I am sure the host will be understanding. Be back in a bit.

**FM Clawtrocity** · December 30th, 2014, 11:19 AM

This might be a bad idea, but should people volunteer to get visited? It'd give the day town more control over what citizens get promoted and how we can direct their actions

**FM philie** · December 30th, 2014, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by FM Clawtrocity

This might be a bad idea, but should people volunteer to get visited? It'd give the day town more control over what citizens get promoted and how we can direct their actions

No. Because of numerous night actions that can intercept/interrupt this.

**FM MrSmarter** · December 30th, 2014, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by FM Clawtrocity

This might be a bad idea, but should people volunteer to get visited? It'd give the day town more control over what citizens get promoted and how we can direct their actions

Very bad idea because one people have to claim citizen which narrows down the power roles and 2 there is a mass murderer so once any of the original power roles dies, he can spree and whichever house the town sends him to. So no we are not guiding the avatar.

**FM philie** · December 30th, 2014, 11:37 AM

Youself could always send a message to the host asking if them could put a picture onto your profile for youself.

**FM Goonswarm** · December 30th, 2014, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by FM MrSmarter

Very bad idea because one people have to claim citizen which narrows down the power roles and 2 there is a mass murderer so once any of the original power roles dies, he can spree and whichever house the town sends him to. So no we are not guiding the avatar.

This. Guiding PR in general is a bad idea. Gives scum additional information to work off of. Just let the PR do their thing and we will do our best at scumhunting.

**FM Yayap** · December 30th, 2014, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by FM Ozymandias

I understand that Truthseer can't be manipulated by Witch since it targets posts, but does Truthseer's selection cause visitation? I.e. would a Lookout/Detective/Tracker see Truthseer visiting the person who posted whatever post Toph selects?

If so, that makes checking a large quote a risky gambit for Toph.

If lots of people post large quotes Toph can choose among them.

**FM monster** · December 30th, 2014, 12:31 PM

I am part of the Gaang.

**FM Yayap** · December 30th, 2014, 12:37 PM

**Slaol** · December 30th, 2014, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by FM Yayap

As asked I'll put these in the start post later when I'm at a computer

**Slaol** · December 30th, 2014, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by FM Ozymandias

I understand that Truthseer can't be manipulated by Witch since it targets posts, but does Truthseer's selection cause visitation? I.e. would a Lookout/Detective/Tracker see Truthseer visiting the person who posted whatever post Toph selects?

If so, that makes checking a large quote a risky gambit for Toph.

No visitation

**Slaol** · December 30th, 2014, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by FM Crimson

This only reinforces my town read on you.

By the way gerik is speaking she is obviously not a newbie. You have also pointed out that he has yet to do the activity and is trying to control the discussion in a manner that fits their narrative.

If gerik think some claim is going to save them they better claim now cuz im not into buying the "i'm ok with votes on me" shit or the "i'm hinting soft claims"

You either speak up and talk or you shut up and eat rope

mods if a post is quoted and toph checks it, does it count?

EX
/post

/post

would it truth see the quoted for player or the person who quoted it?

It selects a post by a player. Thus the quote is not a statement by the player in that post, unless of course the person quoted themselves.

**FM Goonswarm** · December 30th, 2014, 01:14 PM

Yeah that makes sense. I figured it would work in that way.

**FM oops_ur_dead** · December 30th, 2014, 01:46 PM

I am part of the gaang.

**FM oops_ur_dead** · December 30th, 2014, 01:47 PM

Happy? Jeez

I think mcsmarter and ganondorf are both scum.

Ganondorf entered the game with an agenda.
Mcsmarter chainsaw defended him.

**FM MrSmarter** · December 30th, 2014, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by FM oops_ur_dead

Happy? Jeez

I think mcsmarter and ganondorf are both scum.

Ganondorf entered the game with an agenda.
Mcsmarter chainsaw defended him.

Explain why you think I am defending Ganondorf. I don't agree with him willing to lynch a lurker today.

**FM Goonswarm** · December 30th, 2014, 02:52 PM

Ganondorf quick randomed McSmarter. Just saying. I am also annoyed at those who posted a "hi everyone" post and left.

**FM Goonswarm** · December 30th, 2014, 02:56 PM

Im gonna be afk for the next few hours. I wanna see those who already posted come back and talk more. I'll have popcorn.

**FM Ozymandias** · December 30th, 2014, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by FM Goonswarm

I am also annoyed at those who posted a "hi everyone" post and left.

I have it on good authority that those same people kick puppies.

**FM Ozymandias** · December 30th, 2014, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by FM oops_ur_dead

Happy? Jeez

I won't be happy till every scum role is DEAD. :'(

Updated list, now that I'm at the airport. If I have inflight wifi after my connection, I'll be on again. Otherwise, see everyone tomorrow.

Players who have posted for Toph:

FM AscendedOne
FM Auckmid - YES (link)
FM Clawtrocity - YES (link)
FM Crimson - YES (link)
FM divemaster127
FM FalseTruth - YES (link)
FM Ganondorf
FM Gerik
FM Goonswarm - YES (link)
FM Illidan
FM McPwnage
FM MileS
FM monster - YES (link)
FM MrSmarter - YES (link)
FM Narks
FM NorthStar
FM oops_ur_dead - YES (link)
FM Ozymandias - YES (link)
FM philie - YES (link)
FM Procyon - YES (link)
FM Raiden
FM Rumpel - YES (link)
FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha
FM Severn
FM Slaol
FM Spy - YES (link)
FM TheJackofSpades
FM vornksr
FM Yayap - YES (link)
FM Zack

**FM Zack** · December 30th, 2014, 03:59 PM

I am part of the Gaang.

**FM Gerik** · December 30th, 2014, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by FM Ozymandias

I'll do a full write up of all his posts with quotes when I'm on my laptop again.

I genuinely look forward to this.

Originally Posted by FM Crimson

This only reinforces my town read on you.

By the way gerik is speaking she is obviously not a newbie. You have also pointed out that he has yet to do the activity and is trying to control the discussion in a manner that fits their narrative.

If gerik think some claim is going to save them they better claim now cuz im not into buying the "i'm ok with votes on me" shit or the "i'm hinting soft claims"

You either speak up and talk or you shut up and eat rope
]

Can you explain what exactly is scummy about my actions?

I'm currently jumping from flight to flight and living in an airport. When I get to a computer I will get an avatar.

**FM Procyon** · December 30th, 2014, 04:03 PM

Since the quoting people doesn't work, could we just get the same effect by having multiple affirmations of people being town in the same post?

EG: FM Random is part of the Gaang, FM Somethng is part of the Gaang, FM Town is part of the Gaang.

**FM Zack** · December 30th, 2014, 04:10 PM

Anyways, I personally suggest against lynching day 1. We have no leads, and although there might be people who claim that we don't need leads to lynch I have noticed that without them people tend to mis-lynch more often than not. Also, it's day one, and as I said previously without leads or role claims we leave it to simple math mostly, and at the moment math is not in our favor.

Now then... I don't see any harm that can come from the Truthseer idea, yet it probably won't break the game like some might think. He can only check one a night, and as such we will get results very slowly. Even then, as the game goes on we might have much more important posts that come along that are more important than the ones we need checked. It could be a nice way to catch a scum or two though.

As for the roles... I get the feeling that we have a large amount of Citizens. I believe that most... if not all the Random Gaangs are Citizens due to the power the Avatar and Iroh have. Also, I know it's been said numerous times before but I want to emphasize this. We should not guide the PRs. Any Scum could claim Citizen and then they can get a new power, potential town cred, and they will learn the identities of either the Grand Lotus, the Avatar, or even both.

So, after saying my opinion, does anyone else have any speculation as to the roles? I didn't go too heavily into detail because it's still early, and they can easily throw us a curve ball.

**FM Ozymandias** · December 30th, 2014, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by FM Procyon

Since the quoting people doesn't work, could we just get the same effect by having multiple affirmations of people being town in the same post?

EG: FM Random is part of the Gaang, FM Somethng is part of the Gaang, FM Town is part of the Gaang.

My gut feeling is that GM's will say that if the poster doesn't know the truth, the statement will be ignored. Otherwise, I could just post "Gerik is Mafia" and let the Truthseer determine the result regardless of my knowledge. That seems a little OP.

Originally Posted by FM Gerik

I genuinely look forward to this.

Me too. :)

**FM Ganondorf** · December 30th, 2014, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Feedback

Truthseer: (player) was lying in post (#).
Truthseer: (player) did not appear to be lying in post (#).

I think this clarifies everything.

**FM Rumpel** · December 30th, 2014, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by FM Gerik

11.11% chance of that paying off on the lynch. (If all the reds are active and I have a balance boner saying the hosts planned for inactive players) Bilut say they balanced it perfectly. The number remains. That suggests that you see a town life > the combined value of that 11% chance and the reference of the votes / conversation we can use as clues..

Ballzy call sir. To say the least.

explain how you count sir

9/30 = 30% simple as that

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