M-Fm The Frozen Throne

[Banshis]

The Scourge Army
The Lich King (Ner’Zhul)(Random Scourge)
Anub’arak (Random Scourge)
Kel’Thuzad (Random Scourge)

Illidan's Legion
Illidan Stormrage (Random Legion)
Prince Kael’Thas (Random Legion)
Lady Vashj (Random Legion)

Defenders of Lordaeron
Arthas (Random Town)
Antonidas (Random Town)
Lady Jaina Proudmoore (Random Town)
Malfurion Stormrage (Random Town)
Uther the Lightbringer (Random Town)
Muradin Bronzebeard (Random Town)
Shandris Feathermoon (Random Town)
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner (Traitor)
Tyrande Whisperwind (Random Town)
Medivh (Random Town)
Falric (Random Town)
Marwyn (Random Town)
Thrall (Random Town)
Little Timmy (Random Town)

Possible Roles
Defenders- Architect, Armorsmith, Blacksmith, Bodyguard, Bus Driver, Coroner, Detective, Doctor, Enchantress, Escort, Footman, Investigator, Jailor, Journalist, Lookout, Shaman, Sheriff, Spy, Veteran, Vigilante

Scourge/Legion-Beguiler, Blackmailer, Chauffeur, Consort, Framer, Godfather, Kidnapper, Tailor, Tracker, Witch, Acolyte, Ventriloquist, Corrupt Journalist, Enforcer, Hitman, Banshee

Cult- Banshee Queen, Forsaken

Special Mechanics
Arthas- If Arthas gets hit by Ner'zhul specifically, so through kill or night action then Arthas will get corrupted and turn into a new scourge role. If Ner'zhul goes to kill Arthas then Ner'zhul will get roleblocked for the night and Arthas will join the scourge. If Arthas is targeted by the Scourge and the Legion same night then Arthas' conversion will not go through. Getting killed by Illidan's Legion just kills Arthas. If Sylvanas is already recruited then Arthas cannot be recruited.

Lady Sylvanas Windrunner- If Sylvanas gets killed by the scourge army she will turn into a banshee for the scourge. If Sylvanas is targeted by Arthas who is already in the scourge army then Arthas will be roleblocked for the night and Sylvanas will become a cult leader and convert people to her forsaken army. Town and mafia are vulnerable to become a forsaken. Sylvanas is a traitor which is a footman, but with the special mechanic. Getting killed by Illidan's Legion just kills Sylvanas. If Arthas is already recruited then Sylvanas cannot be recruited.


General Mechanics + Rules
Lynch is set at 51% of Town.
Day 1 will be 24 hours. Days after are 48 hours. Nights are 24 hours.
Last Wills are Allowed.
No Death Descriptions.
No Outside of Game Communication.
Inactivity will lead to modkills. Inactivity will be deemed by the host.
No requesting Modkills. If you request it you die.
No invisible ink, videos, and pictures unless approved by host.
RP names will be given out to everyone. Claiming RP names is grounds for modkill. Arthas and Sylvanas can be claimed for Wifom reasons.
Arthas and Sylvanas playing to be converted is grounds for modkill since playing against win condition.
No quoting host private messages or night chat messages.


Win Conditions
Defenders of Lordaeron- Eliminate the Scourge, Illidan's Legion, and Sylvanas' Cult
Scourge- Eliminate the Defenders of Lordaeron, Illidan's Legion, Sylvanas' Cult
Illidan's Legion- Eliminate the Defenders of Lordaeron, the Scourge, and Sylvanas' Cult
Sylvanas' Cult- Eliminate the Defenders of Lordaeron, the Scourge, and Illidan's Legion

Spoiler : Role Cards :

Spoiler : Town :

Architect- Target 2 people during the day to bring into a night chat anonymously together. You get 1 post in the night chat, sent in during the day, and you have permissions to read the night chat.

Armorsmith- Armor a player with a manual use bullet proof vest at night.
They may use this bulletproof vest in addition to their night actions.
You may not give a bulletproof vest to yourself.
Bulletproof vests protect from an infinite amount of basic night kills.

Blacksmith- Arm a player with a 1-use gun at night.
They must sacrifice their night action to use the gun at night.
Cannot give yourself a gun.

Bodyguard- Guard a player at night. Should they be attacked you will protect them. You will take the attack for them, and deal the damage back to the attacker. You cannot be healed to prevent death from a successful guard.
You may not guard yourself.

Bus Driver- Swap 2 players at night. Those that visit one will effect the other.
Should your swapping cause a killing role to attempt to kill itself it's attack will pierce invulnerability. You may swap yourself.

Footman- No night action. Your Last Will will be public upon your death.

Coroner- Autopsy a dead player at night.
You will learn their Role, Death Description, Night Targets, and Last Will.

Detective- Track a player at night. You will learn the player that they visited.
Your Track will bypass invisibility.

Doctor- Heal a player at night. This player can survive an additional attack at night.
You can not heal yourself. Doctor can prevent conversions to mafia/cult.


Enchantress- Lure a player at night. They will be forced to target you for that night.
Repel a second player. Should the second player visit you they will visit and effect the player you Lured. You can not Lure or Repel yourself.

Escort- Role Block a player at night. This prevents them from using their action unless they are Immune to role blocking.
Should you role block an immune player you will be notified.
You can not Role Block yourself.

Investigator- Inspect a player at night to learn their Investigator Pairing.
You can not Inspect yourself.

Jailor- Jail a player during the day.
You may only Jail following days in which a player was not day killed.
They are removed from any night chat the following night.
They are prevented from acting that night, regardless of Immunity to role block.
They are prevented from taking damage from basic kills.
You may anonymous interrogate them.
You may Execute them.
Executions bypass all Invulnerability.
Captives are released at the start of the next day.
You may not Jail yourself.

Journalist- Interview a player during the day.
At the start of the following night the player will be notified of the interview and will write an Article for you to anonymously publish the following morning.
You may not Interview yourself.

Lookout- Watch a player at night. You will observe all players that visit the Watched player. Your Watch will bypass Invisibility.

Shaman- Manipulate a dead player to force them to act out their night power once again. You may force dead players to visit yourself. Cannot use killing roles. If role is out of charges shaman bypasses it with one free use after that the shaman can't use them anymore. If they died with 3 charges then shaman can use it 3 times but not consecutively. X3 Charges

Sheriff- Check a player at night. You will learn the player's alignment. Town/Mafia/Cult

Spy- Spy on a player at night. You will detect any feedback that player gets.
You also detect the Orange Mafia night kill.

Veteran- Alert at night to kill all visitors. The kill doesn’t pierce immunity.

Vigilante- Shoot someone at night and attempt to kill them.
You may not shoot yourself. 3x Charges.

Spoiler : Mafia :

Beguiler- Hide behind a target at night. Any night actions targeted at you will affect the target you hid behind. 3x Charges of hiding.

Blackmailer- Blackmail someone at night with a demand. Blackmailer can restrict someone to do anything besides vote or claim true role/alignment. Player can’t reveal blackmail otherwise they will suicide at night that can’t be healed.

Chauffeur- Swap 2 players at night, causing those that visit one to effect the other.
You may swap yourself, as well as any member of the Mafia.
Should your Swap cause a killing role to effect itself it's kill will bypass all invulnerability.
You share a night chat with the other Mafia members.

Consort- Role Block a player at night. This prevents them from using their action unless they are Immune to role blocking.
Should you role block an immune player you will be notified.
You can not Role Block yourself.

Framer- Frame a player at night to appear to be Mafia and visiting the Mafia factional kill, or Forge a player at night, replacing any Last Will or Article they submit with your own.

Godfather- Immune to night death, detection, and roleblocks. Attempted roleblocks will notify the godfather.

Kidnapper- Jail a player during the day.
You may only Jail following days in which a player was not day killed.
They are removed from any night chat the following night.
They are prevented from acting that night, regardless of Immunity to role block.
They are prevented from taking damage from basic kills.
You may anonymous interrogate them.
You may Execute them.
Executions bypass all Invulnerability.
Captives are released at the start of the next day.
You may not Jail yourself.


Acolyte- Can act out mafia night kill.

Tailor- Dress a player at night as either any possible role, or as ???.
The dressed player will appear as your dressing upon their death.
Dressing is permanent until you change it.

Tracker- Track a player at night learning whom they visited, or Watch a player at night observing all those that visited them.

Witch- Manipulate a target at night and force them to visit a second target.
You may cause self targets.
You may send the manipulated target to yourself.
If your self target causes a killing role to visit itself it's kill will bypass night invulnerability.
Your manipulation gives no feedback.

Ventriloquist- Possess a player at night. You will be able to speak for them the following day. You will be allowed to vote as them as well. Cannot manipulate them 2 days in a row.

Corrupt Journalist- Interview a player during the day.
At the start of the following night the player will be notified of the interview and will write an Article for you to anonymously publish the following morning.
You may not Interview yourself.


Enforcer- Steal a player’s night action for a night and use it for yourself. That player is role blocked for the night you use the action. x3 Charges. Doesn’t know what action he steals.

Hitman- X1 Attack that pierces through all healing, bodyguards, role blocks, misdirections, bus drivings, and vests.

Architect- Target 2 people during the day to bring into a night chat anonymously together. You get 1 post in the night chat, sent in during the day, and you have permissions to read the night chat.

Consigliere- Inspect a player at night to learn their Investigator Pairing.
You can not Inspect yourself.

Banshee- Preset mafia power role.

Arthas- Preset mafia power role.

Spoiler : Cult :

Banshee Queen- Can recruit Town and Mafia to a cult. Mafia recruited stay in their night chat. Does not kill cultists upon death. Recruits become cultists and do not keep their original role.

Forsaken- Cult-aligned footman. Cannot be sent for recruits.

Spoiler : Order of Operations :

Night Chats Open- Mafia, Cult, Architect, Jail
Interview
Veteran Alert
Shaman Controls
Hitman Kill
Enforcer
Misdirects- Witch>Bus Driver/Chauffeur>Enchantress>Beguiler
Roleblocks- Escort, Consort> Can Roleblock Misdirects directly
Framer, Tailor
Investigative Roles- Spy, Sheriff, Detective, Investigator, Consigliere, Tracker
Armorsmith/Blacksmith
Bodyguard Sets Up
Night Kills (-1)
Doctor (+1)
Conversions- Cult, Arthas, Sylvanas
Lookout, Coroner
Ventriloquist/Blackmail
Veteran Kills

Architect/Architect/Journalist/Corrupt Journalist
Armorsmith/Blacksmith/Hitman
Bodyguard/Jailor/Kidnapper
Bus Driver/Chauffer
Footman/Godfather/Acolyte/Forsaken/Banshee Queen
Coroner/Shaman/Tailor/Enforcer
Detective/Lookout/Tracker
Doctor/Blackmailer/Beguiler
Enchantress/Witch
Escort/Consort
Investigator/Consigliere
Sheriff/Spy/Framer
Veteran/Vigilante/Ventriloquist

Roles that give feedback to others: Architect(End of Day Feedback), Armorsmith, Blacksmith, Bus Driver, Escort, Jailor(End of Day Feedback), Journalist(End of Day Feedback),Blackmailer, Chauffeur, Consort, Kidnapper(End of Day Feedback), Corrupt Journalist, Enforcer, and Technically when you get killed. Banshee Queen

[Cryptonic]

+1

[jaczac]

Is it bad that when i saw your post i though immediately of the disney movie frozen before this?

[Glip]

Is it bad that when i saw your post i though immediately of the disney movie frozen before this?

Yes. Yes it is.

[jaczac]

Yes. Yes it is.

Oh.


:'|

[Glip]

Oh.


:'|

It's okay. I guess we can... let it go.

[Helios]

Looks good, I like it, espacially because of its warcraft touch. Thought Sylvanas mechanic is sick (self if it matches her character perfectly (lore oriented)).^^

[Orpz]

I like it but it seems like the Scourge has the edge over Illidan special mechanics-wise. They can potentially convert extra members without a downside.

[Banshis]

I like it but it seems like the Scourge has the edge over Illidan special mechanics-wise. They can potentially convert extra members without a downside.

With 5 people working on this we are making sure we balance it right so Orange mafia has a chance.

[louiswill]

I'm not satisfied by the theme, because those brought tears.
Too much recall....
My Wow life ended in cata.

Lordaeron is just a pure tragic.

[Brendan]

It's okay. I guess we can... let it go.

lmfao slaol

[Cryptonic]

If Ner'zhul targets Arthas and a Lookout is on Arthas (or Detective is on Ner'zhul), then what is seen?

Does Culted Mafia retain access to Mafia night chat?

Which roles give/get feedback?

Consigliere is in OoO, but missing from Rolecards & Possible Roles.

What are the Investigative Pairings for Investigator?

Can a Shaman kill using a Vigilante that has no bullets left?
Can a Shaman repetitively use an dead Acolyte to kill every night?

If an Armoursmith is redirected to himself, can him give himself a Vest?

Blacksmith doesn't specify that he can't give himself a gun, but every other role does. Can he give himself a gun?

[Banshis]

If Ner'zhul targets Arthas and a Lookout is on Arthas (or Detective is on Ner'zhul), then what is seen?

Does Culted Mafia retain access to Mafia night chat?
No
Which roles give/get feedback?

Consigliere is in OoO, but missing from Rolecards & Possible Roles.
Fixed
What are the Investigative Pairings for Investigator?

Can a Shaman kill using a Vigilante that has no bullets left?
Yes
Can a Shaman repetitively use an dead Acolyte to kill every night?
No
If an Armoursmith is redirected to himself, can him give himself a Vest?
Yes
Blacksmith doesn't specify that he can't give himself a gun, but every other role does. Can he give himself a gun?
He can't give himself a gun.

All unanswered I will get to soon.

[ika]

architect:
can architect target himself for 2 people?
do all player keep chat after it closes?
can players quote an architect chatroom?

armorsmith/blacksmith:
do they have a limit on how many they can pass out?
can they pass to same perosn over and over?

blacksmith:
since articet technacly is a day action, could he both arcitect and gun?
can gun and vest be used in conjoint?

BG:
does bodygurad bypass immunities?

bus driver:
does bus driving leave feedback?

footman:
is this only spcific to them or can anybody leave a LW? (to clarify, are only footmens LW made public while others can be found via corner)

doc:
is heal informed?
is cult prevented informed?
can doc heal+stop convert or just one? (ie target is attacked and targeted for conversion, would target be healed and not converted or would he be converted)

enchantress:
does repel do anything if they dont target enchantress?

jailor:
is there a limit on executions?

shaman:
can a shaman activate a jailors execution?

veteran:
any limit?
is vet immune on alert?

blackmailer:
can blackmail force player to falseclaim rolenames? (ie you must claim you are Arthas)

tailor:
corner sees though suits?

witch:
to clarify, a witch will force them to visit ANOTHER person?
can witch force jailor/kidnapper to execute?
how does witch affect bus/chaffer?
if witch does cause a second targeting does this mean that cult could technacly double recuit in one night?

enforcer:
is enforcers steal day or night?

[Cryptonic]

Why can't a Shaman use an Acolyte? Can they use a Vigilante over and over?
Rolecard doesn't have any rules about using same target more than once, so I'm not sure how you'll be controlling this

[Banshis]

architect:
can architect target himself for 2 people?
2 Different people
do all player keep chat after it closes?
can players quote an architect chatroom?
They can summarize the chat, but no direct quoting
armorsmith/blacksmith:
do they have a limit on how many they can pass out?
No Limit
can they pass to same perosn over and over?
Armorsmith can, but armor can't be stacked up. Blacksmith can't back to back give it to the same person.
blacksmith:
since articet technacly is a day action, could he both arcitect and gun?
Yes
can gun and vest be used in conjoint?
No, 1 usuable item a night

BG:
does bodygurad bypass immunities?
Yes

bus driver:
does bus driving leave feedback?
Yes

footman:
is this only spcific to them or can anybody leave a LW? (to clarify, are only footmens LW made public while others can be found via corner)
They are just citizens pretty much. Everyone gets a last will.
doc:
is heal informed?
No
is cult prevented informed?
can doc heal+stop convert or just one? (ie target is attacked and targeted for conversion, would target be healed and not converted or would he be converted)
Prevents both
enchantress:
does repel do anything if they dont target enchantress?
No
jailor:
is there a limit on executions?
Will get back on that one.


shaman:
can a shaman activate a jailors execution?
No, I'm making it now that Shamans can't use a killing role from the dead. They can use any other role. Same goes for cult though. They can't use a dead cult to recruit.

veteran:
any limit?
A limit would be sent to the player
is vet immune on alert?
Yes, unless hitman attacks him. Then they both die
blackmailer:
can blackmail force player to falseclaim rolenames? (ie you must claim you are Arthas)
Only role name of Arthas and Sylvanas. No others
tailor:
corner sees though suits?
Yes

witch:
to clarify, a witch will force them to visit ANOTHER person?
Yes unless they command the person to visit himself.
can witch force jailor/kidnapper to execute?
Yes witch will force it
how does witch affect bus/chaffer?
Changes the first target of bus/chaffeur to who the witch forced him to visit
if witch does cause a second targeting does this mean that cult could technacly double recuit in one night?
No only one recruit allowed per night. Cult won't be able to recruit every night though so if witch forces cult leader to someone on an off night then they can get another recruit.

enforcer:
is enforcers steal day or night?
Night action

Answered

[Cryptonic]

Why can't a Shaman use an Acolyte? Can they use a Vigilante over and over?
Rolecard doesn't have any rules about using same target more than once, so I'm not sure how you'll be controlling this

add info explaining these to the rolecards and everything should be good to go.

[Banshis]

If Ner'zhul targets Arthas and a Lookout is on Arthas (or Detective is on Ner'zhul), then what is seen?

If Ner'zhul visits arthas with night action that would recruit you will see him visit arthas. If Ner'zhul went to kill Arthas which would still lead to a recruit you won't see Ner'zhul visit him and Ner'zhul wouldn't be notified of the roleblock.
Same goes for Sylvanas mechanics.

[Banshis]

architect:
do all player keep chat after it closes?

jailor:
is there a limit on executions?

Yes you keep access to seeing the architect chat. But still no direct quoting from it. Can't see any other chats from it though.

No limit on executions.

[Banshis]

Update: Sylvanas and Arthas mechanics changed a bit. Only one can be recruited and Sylvanas will become a random mafia role too. Arthas and Sylvanas have predefined roles. This is to make it less swingy for Blue Mafia to overrun the game. Cult mechanics are still the same.

[Lysergic]

Can a Witch or Bus Driver force a Blacksmith/Armorsmith to give themselves a one-use item?

Can Witch/BD force a Bodyguard to defend himself?

Does a Coroner see through Framing (i.e. will a Coroner receive the TRUE last will of the targeted dead player)?

Doctor can prevent Arthas from being converted to Mafia even without a kill, correct? Like, say Lich King is a Consort who targets Arthas, but a Doctor heals.

Would a Coroner see the INTENDED night targets or the ACTUAL night targets of a dead player (for example, in the event that an Enchantress interferes with the dead player's actions)?

Vigilante- Shoot someone at night and attempt to kill them.
You may not shoot yourself. 3x Charges.

Does this mean Witch/Bus Driver cannot force a Vig to shoot himself, or simply that he cannot CHOOSE to shoot himself?
For that matter, is there a -suicide option (for use in situations where, for example, a faction's killing role is discovered and role blocked on the first day, and they would certainly lose if they allow that situation to continue) (another good situation - a Sheriff who knows multiple Mafia/Triad members is blackmailed into not posting, and decides to suicide to reveal his last will)? For that matter, how does the Mafia kill work - does the Godfather go to kill, or do they choose to send someone?

[Banshis]

Can a Witch or Bus Driver force a Blacksmith/Armorsmith to give themselves a one-use item?
Yes
Can Witch/BD force a Bodyguard to defend himself?
Yes
Does a Coroner see through Framing (i.e. will a Coroner receive the TRUE last will of the targeted dead player)?
Yes
Doctor can prevent Arthas from being converted to Mafia even without a kill, correct? Like, say Lich King is a Consort who targets Arthas, but a Doctor heals.
Doctor would prevent Arthas from getting recruited
Would a Coroner see the INTENDED night targets or the ACTUAL night targets of a dead player (for example, in the event that an Enchantress interferes with the dead player's actions)?
Intended night targets
Does this mean Witch/Bus Driver cannot force a Vig to shoot himself, or simply that he cannot CHOOSE to shoot himself?
He can't choose to shoot himself. Witch and BD can make him shoot himself.
For that matter, is there a -suicide option (for use in situations where, for example, a faction's killing role is discovered and role blocked on the first day, and they would certainly lose if they allow that situation to continue) (another good situation - a Sheriff who knows multiple Mafia/Triad members is blackmailed into not posting, and decides to suicide to reveal his last will)?
Not going to allow suiciding since anyone in the mafia can kill. If sheriff wanted to suicide with a blackmail he could just claim since he would die the nigh anyways for revealing blackmail.
For that matter, how does the Mafia kill work - does the Godfather go to kill, or do they choose to send someone?
A mafia sacrifices a night action to do the kill.

Answered

[Banshis]

add info explaining these to the rolecards and everything should be good to go.

Ok I changed the shaman mechanic to prevent killing with the shaman unless they kill with bodyguard which is allowed.

[ika]

whats the ruling on com claiming/hunting?

[Banshis]

whats the ruling on com claiming/hunting?

No Com claiming at all. Mafia can claim coms in their night chat. You guys can com hunt all you want but just don't say it to everyone else.

[Brendan]

When is this starting Banshis? jesus fuck

[Banshis]

When is this starting Banshis? jesus fuck

Tomorrow put the time in first post.