S-FM Sherlock Holmes (13P)

[Gyver]

Sherlock Holmes

Mass Murderers are loose in england, Scotland Yard has tasked detectives with tracking them down.

This game was designed around analyzing movement

Spoiler : ROLES :

ROLE LIST

Mass Murderer
Mass Murderer
Amnesiac
Amnesiac
Amnesiac
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town

Spoiler : ROLE CARDS :

ROLE CARDS

Detective - You may target a player at night to determine their target.

Doctor - You may target a player at night to protect them from a single attack. You may not be healed.

Coroner - You may select a player from the graveyard to learn their target for every night. If you do, you must select a living players house to perform the autopsy. You may not select your own house.

Energetic Citizen - You must select a living player to visit at night. Will not do anything. If you do not choose a player one will be randomly chosen for you. You may not target yourself.

Mass Murderer - You are immune to night death. You may select a target for a spree killing. You will kill everyone that targets your target. You may not target yourself unless you are the only Mass Murderer alive. You will be informed of the gain or loss of the ability to target yourself. You will know your target's target.

Jester - You may annoy a target at night, if you do you will become night immune for that night. You may not target yourself. If you die by lynch, a random town lyncher will die the following night.

Amnesiac - You may visit any player at night. You start with 1 autovest, you lose it if you take a role. If your target is a dead and not a member of town your role will change to mass murderer. If your target is dead and member of town your role will change to a jester. If your target is alive, nothing will happen. Your new role will not be revealed.

Spoiler : WIN CONDITIONS :

WIN CONDITIONS
Town - Eliminate the Mass Murderers
Mass Murderers - Eliminate the town. Wins ties with everyone else.
Amnesiac - You can not win as Amnesiac
Jester - Be lynched during the day

Spoiler : MECHANICS :

Mechanics

• Game starts Day with Lynch.
• Days are 24 hours long.
• Nights are 24 hours long.
• Mass Murderers do not share a night chat.
• Roles are not revealed on death
• Autolynch occurs at 51%.
• There are no last wills.

Spoiler : RULES :

RULES

• No out of game communication.
• No posting links to anything other than game posts.
• No videos.
• Limited pictures (must have more posts with content than with pictures).
• No editting posts.
• No quoting feedbacks

Spoiler : ORDER OF OPERATIONS :

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1. All Movement
2. Healing / Jester Immunity
3. Conversion
4. Kills
5. Sleuthing / Autopsies

[louiswill]

how many max detective will there be? 5?

What if amnesiac visit an alive player?

[Gyver]

I'm open to balance suggestions.

[Gyver]

how many max detective will there be? 5?

I'm not sure I want to make public an upper limit as I gave MMs the ability to pretend to be a det.

Nothing happens if an amnes visits a living player

[louiswill]

I suggest to use a one night gap to nerf coroner.

No penalty of jester lynch?

[Cryptonic]

What's the point of Coroner? Just to learn their target? I guess that makes sense... idk, I just feel like it'll be pretty UP, not OP.

[louiswill]

Does Coroner choose dead separately from choosing house?
i.e.: choose to scan A(in the graveyard) but visit B(alive?)'s house.

[louiswill]

What's the point of Coroner? Just to learn their target? I guess that makes sense... idk, I just feel like it'll be pretty UP, not OP.

I think coroner is used to counter MM claiming detective.

MM can't always tell truth especially when they find the other MM.

Because as long as two towns might be alive, MM can't win without the other MM.

due to the fact that MM can't self target.

Say there are two coroners/two doctors who both visit the last MM to dodge spree entirely.

Does MM win Tie against the last town member/jester?

[Cryptonic]

Ah, didn't see MM couldn't target self. Makes sense now lol

[louiswill]

Ah, didn't see MM couldn't target self. Makes sense now lol

Crypton, Do you think town is a little bit too strong?

[ika]

ika, Do you think town is a little bit too strong?

seeing how town is unknown, not really. can it be placed to be stong, of course. i will look into this matter some other time though when im not tired

[louiswill]

seeing how town is unknown, not really. can it be placed to be stong, of course. i will look into this matter some other time though when im not tired

awww.

The thing is if game last long enough there will always be one or two confirmed town persons survive to later game.

If MM can't taget themselves then both have to be alive to combat against the two known town, who deliberately visit MM to avoid kills.

If at the same time, there is one jester left,

2 confirmed town 1 jester 1 mass murder
or
1 confirmed town 1 jester 1 mass murder
will cause an inconclusive game.

However, the chance is not that great, I think the game is playable.

I just think town is too strong if one of the mm got random lynched somehow.

[ika]

awww.

The thing is if game last long enough there will always be one or two confirmed town persons survive to later game.

If MM can't taget themselves then both have to be alive to combat against the two known town, who deliberately visit MM to avoid kills.

If at the same time, there is one jester left,

2 confirmed town 1 jester 1 mass murder
or
1 confirmed town 1 jester 1 mass murder
will cause an inconclusive game.

However, the chance is not that great, I think the game is playable.

I just think town is too strong if one of the mm got random lynched somehow.

thats why i would be looking at it later and suggestin ballence ideas later.

also in town vs mm vs jester.

if they go to no lynch the host and decree it in mm favor if they decide to no lynch over and over. the only benifit is jester atm

[louiswill]

thats why i would be looking at it later and suggestin ballence ideas later.

also in town vs mm vs jester.

if they go to no lynch the host and decree it in mm favor if they decide to no lynch over and over. the only benifit is jester atm

JEster doesn't mind that everyone loses. :P....it is not really a benefit though.

[Gyver]

I suggest to use a one night gap to nerf coroner.

No penalty of jester lynch?

Fixed to include penalty

Does Coroner choose dead separately from choosing house?
i.e.: choose to scan A(in the graveyard) but visit B(alive?)'s house.

Yes, this is to make it possible for an MM to hit a Coroner.

Alternatively, I could give MMs the ability to target a dead person AND get coroner feed back / kill coroner that targets that dead person.

I think coroner is used to counter MM claiming detective.

MM can't always tell truth especially when they find the other MM.

Because as long as two towns might be alive, MM can't win without the other MM.

due to the fact that MM can't self target.

Say there are two coroners/two doctors who both visit the last MM to dodge spree entirely.

Does MM win Tie against the last town member/jester?

That's a very good point. I'm not sure how to deal with that because, early game, I don't want MMs targeting themselves to prevent Dets from watching them.

Set MM to win in Tie with anyone else.

[ika]

quick fix atm about single mm, will look at bigger problems later

make it that when there is only one mm existing they can self target. furthermore make it that if amesiac(s) take mm the lone mm becomes informed by pm and loses self targeting powers

[Gyver]

quick fix atm about single mm, will look at bigger problems later

make it that when there is only one mm existing they can self target. furthermore make it that if amesiac(s) take mm the lone mm becomes informed by pm and loses self targeting powers

I like that fix, done

[Hypersniper]

Wtf this ain't Sherlock Holmes
Where's Sherlock Holmes as a unique town and dr Watson
And why no cits

[Hypersniper]

Btw gyber u British

[powerofdeath]

If an Amnesiac target a person who died that night, can he take his role immediately?

[louiswill]

If an Amnesiac target a person who died that night, can he take his role immediately?

Yo Plan to do it first night do you not?

btw Amnesiac will also be attacked that night, doctor will suspect yo.

[Gyver]

If an Amnesiac target a person who died that night, can he take his role immediately?

No, conversion happens before killing.


Also added energetic citizen to possible town roles.

[ika]

have ames passivly immune untill takes role? seems unfair if they were to die and never take a role

roles that die/lynch arent revealed maybe? maybe make it that ames only know when mm is lynched and at any point can become jester? this would also allow ames to be jester early game and stop ppl from saying "town voter died he must of been role X"

with above maybe make corner have either last target known or the role itself. they chose?

make docs unhealable to prevent a doc heal circle?

2 mm vs 2 any other, game ends in mm win?

maybe make starting MM know each ohter?

add in no quoting feedbacks. its kinda general sense but if not stated it could be used.

both mms vist same house, be informed of attack?

start on n0 to give option of ames taking jester maybe? seems unfair to ames to be lynched day 1 and have 0 chance of winning.

[Gyver]

have ames passivly immune untill takes role? seems unfair if they were to die and never take a role

I want to discourage amnes waiting a while to take a role, maybe give them 1 autovest only while they remain an amnes?

roles that die/lynch arent revealed maybe? maybe make it that ames only know when mm is lynched and at any point can become jester? this would also allow ames to be jester early game and stop ppl from saying "town voter died he must of been role X"

I am willing to entertain this because I want this game to focus on night movement over process of elimination.

with above maybe make corner have either last target known or the role itself. they chose?

If I took death reveal away from town I'm not sure I'd see the merit in giving coroner the ability to subvert it.

make docs unhealable to prevent a doc heal circle?

This is reasonable, docs would be able to coordinate during the day and MMs would have to risk attacking the wrong doc or the other MM not trying to break circle.

2 mm vs 2 any other, game ends in mm win?

Yes, MM wins ties with all.

maybe make starting MM know each other?

No, I want the MMs to have to figure each others identity out before than can target each other and negate dets

add in no quoting feedbacks. its kinda general sense but if not stated it could be used.

ok

both mms vist same house, be informed of attack?

Yes, they will both be informed that they were attacked.

start on n0 to give option of ames taking jester maybe? seems unfair to ames to be lynched day 1 and have 0 chance of winning.

The curse of being a neutral.

Answers in blue

[Cryptonic]

If a TPR decides to take no action, does it count as a self visit?
Does Detective see Citizen Movements?
Does a Detective see a TPR taking no action?
Does a Doctor receive feedback upon successul heal?

[Gyver]

If a TPR decides to take no action, does it count as a self visit?
Yes

Does Detective see Citizen Movements?
Yes

Does a Detective see a TPR taking no action?
Yes, seen as visiting self.

Does a Doctor receive feedback upon successul heal?
Yes

answers in blue

[Gyver]

quick edit: Made the amnesiac aware of the alignment of dead players so they aren't picking blind.

[Cryptonic]

quick edit: Made the amnesiac aware of the alignment of dead players so they aren't picking blind.

I thought them not knowing the alignment was the whole point, though lol

[Gyver]

I thought them not knowing the alignment was the whole point, though lol

It was to force town to fear taking information(even their own role) to the grave.

[Cryptonic]

It was to force town to fear taking information(even their own role) to the grave.

Oh, I thought it was to make the Amnesiacs actually have to put some effort into reading people, or risk becoming a Jester which would practically lose the game for them lol.

I mean, 1 non-town dies and the next night there are 4 MM's.

[Gyver]

Oh, I thought it was to make the Amnesiacs actually have to put some effort into reading people, or risk becoming a Jester which would practically lose the game for them lol.

I mean, 1 non-town dies and the next night there are 4 MM's.

Hmm, I like this perspective. I'll change it back to the original.

[Cryptonic]

Haha Yea, I was 100% sure that was the reason you made it that way :P I was surprised when you said you were changing it.

Either way, I don't have any more questions and will be approving this shortly after Sheriff Town begins.

[Cryptonic]

Approved

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