S-FM 88 : Containment

[Titus]

Clem, given you've claimed a role that is inconsistent with your plan, I'd be puzzled but I wouldn't shoot you.

Then again, I have my own gun. So gunning me is stupid unless you're paranoid about the escort being a moron.

I claim Vigilante.

I went out because I have a life and figured you were off. Plus, if you look at my location it is rather late here.

-vote RLVG

[clementine]

Clem, given you've claimed a role that is inconsistent with your plan, I'd be puzzled but I wouldn't shoot you.

Then again, I have my own gun. So gunning me is stupid unless you're paranoid about the escort being a moron.

I claim Vigilante.



I went out because I have a life and figured you were off. Plus, if you look at my location it is rather late here.

-vote RLVG

There is both a survivor and guard vigilante. Please specify which one you are,

[Titus]

Oh and my concerns about guards are just generally planning three steps ahead. I didn't want to claim a faction because I figured the guards wouldn't... but I had Clem pegged as escort... my soft reads need work.

For my own survival, I'd rather not specify my alignment. If I am a survivor, I'd rather have the joker think I have more bullets to survive a bounty. If I am a guard, I'd rather have the town think I'm a survivor to have more bullets.

However, I can kill tonight (unless rbed) to confirm I am a vigilante rather than a joker.

[clementine]

Also, my plan was pro-survivor just to draw out guard stealth claims based on who opposed it greatly. (i.e. you)
Although I don't have enough meta on you to know if you're just the kind of nice person who wants to make sure everyone wins or if you are a guard who won't let a pro-survivor plan cost you your win.
I'm personally leaning guard, plus it makes sense as host meta for Damus to make us both guards imo.

[clementine]

Oh and my concerns about guards are just generally planning three steps ahead. I didn't want to claim a faction because I figured the guards wouldn't... but I had Clem pegged as escort... my soft reads need work.

For my own survival, I'd rather not specify my alignment. If I am a survivor, I'd rather have the joker think I have more bullets to survive a bounty. If I am a guard, I'd rather have the town think I'm a survivor to have more bullets.

However, I can kill tonight (unless rbed) to confirm I am a vigilante rather than a joker.

Please claim your alignment or I am inclined to think you are the Joker. As always, town has absolutely nothing to hide. As long as we are all active and adaptive to the situation and claims that arise, there is absolutely no reason why we can't get a joint survivor/guard win.

[Dagaen]

Well, don't worry, I always try my best to get everyone to win. I can even suicide if I'm 100% sure that will make you guys win.

Anyway, I really feel we shouldn't vote anybody until we get all Guard claims or all Survivor claims. So yeah, waiting for one more. Titus specify, please.

[clementine]

Well, don't worry, I always try my best to get everyone to win. I can even suicide if I'm 100% sure that will make you guys win.

Anyway, I really feel we shouldn't vote anybody until we get all Guard claims or all Survivor claims. So yeah, waiting for one more. Titus specify, please.

I just think that if RLVG isn't even available to play the game we can just lynch him and save Damus the trouble of finding a replacement. *shrug*

[Titus]

I absolutely think my claiming is moronic, given I can prove I am town at night. If the town has a killing role the joker might want to keep alive, my not claiming a faction makes sense. However, if someone else pressures me for a claim, I will claim my faction. I have said faction claiming is moronic from the get go. I'm not about to change it because you say that it's better. I explained why it is better for me personally. It's always better to have someone who can shoot the joker and end the game alive.

Ok as I was about to hit submit, Daegan asked for my claim.

I'm a guard.

[clementine]

Faction assignments:
imo this is how it looks. I'd like to lynch the guy who didn't show up yet today since he is (probably) a survivor and if one of the other survivors wants to be a pal and volunteer to die so that the next day we can lynch porio and the game ends with all of us except the joker winning.

Survivor
creedkingsx (claimed)
NoctiZ (claimed)
Dagaen (claimed)
RLVG

Guard
clementine (claimed)
Titus (claimed)

Joker
poriomania

[Titus]

Now we lynch RLVG, I shoot a survivor claimer... then we all win once the joker is shot to hell.

[Dagaen]

Ok, killing Guard would ruin Clementine's Plan so I wanted to be wait for all claims.

-vote RLVG

[Dagaen]

Btw, I lynched so many AFK Townies on BNet... I'm really afraid Titus is a Joker.

[Titus]

Need to use the vote tags


[ vote*]Player name[/vote *]

Remove *s and spaces.

I'm out as it's waaay too early in the morning here. Please make sure RLVG is lynched.



I'm not a joker Dagaen. I'll shoot tonight. If the escort doesn't block me that is.

[Dagaen]

Oops, sorry, I'm quite new to this.

Well, maybe this is fate? I'll wait a bit longer with my vote, maybe RLVG will have some awesome defence. Don't worry, I will vote before the day ends:P

[clementine]

Proposed actions:

Today: Lynch RLVG
3 survivors
2 guards
1 joker

If Titus and clem are un-cc'ed guards:
Titus - shoot poriomania to confirm he is the joker (the joker has a one-shot bulletproof vest and will live or flip survivor)
clementine - alert
dagaen (if you are not escort) - visit clementine

2 survivors
2 guards
1 joker

If poriomania survives Titus's shot, then lynch poriomania and everyone (except poriomania wins)


If poriomania, Titus, and clem claim guard:
Titus - shoot NoctiZ
clementine - alert
dagaen (if you are not escort) - visit clementine
poriomania - shoot creedkingsx OR hand a gun to creedkingsx OR alert and have creedkingsx visit you
creedkingsx - visit poriomania

1 survivor
2 guards
1 joker

Lynch the joker and everyone except joker wins.


If titus and clem claim guard but RLVG flips guard:
Titus - shoot NoctiZ to prove you are a guard
clementine - alert to prove you are a guard
dagaen (if you are not an escort) - visit clementine

3 survivors
1 guard
1 joker

IMO unlikely, but I would suggest if RLVG flips guard, everyone except Noctiz visits clementine, I'll alert, and y'all can die making it: 1 survivor, 1 guard, 1 joker -> lynch joker everyone wins except joker.

In order to plan for every possible outcome, can you guys claim escort or not escort just so we can coordinate who is supposed to visit me? Yes, I am a veteran.

[clementine]

Kinda lazy to diagram out all the actions for each scenario, but I think this should suffice.

[clementine]

Also, can all the survivors claim citizen or not citizen AND escort or not escort?

This is actually pretty important for the night action coordination.

[Titus]

I am not shooting the joker target. Doing so is stupid for the guards. I'm shooting a survivor claimer. Make your plans accordingly. Really off now.

[NoctiZ]

Not escort.

Citizen.

[clementine]

I am not shooting the joker target. Doing so is stupid for the guards. I'm shooting a survivor claimer. Make your plans accordingly. Really off now.

Well make sure you don't shoot NoctiZ since he has an auto-vest.

[clementine]

Faction assignments:
imo this is how it looks. I'd like to lynch the guy who didn't show up yet today since he is (probably) a survivor and if one of the other survivors wants to be a pal and volunteer to die so that the next day we can lynch porio and the game ends with all of us except the joker winning.

Survivor
creedkingsx (claimed)
NoctiZ - citizen (claimed)
Dagaen (claimed)
RLVG

Guard
clementine - veteran (claimed)
Titus - vigilante (claimed)

Joker
poriomania

[Dagaen]

I just need time to read this:P Clementine if that's you being lazy I don't wanna see you working:P

[clementine]

Can citizens visit?
If someone is attacked by multiple sources, will both be specified in the graveyard?

[clementine]

I am not shooting the joker target. Doing so is stupid for the guards. I'm shooting a survivor claimer. Make your plans accordingly. Really off now.

Also Titus, it's really important for us to definitively find the Joker so that we don't mislynch the joker and end the game early before we're at a 50% split with the survivors. Do the math yourself, it makes sense for you to shoot the suspected joker since I can only kill people who target me (i.e. cooperative survivors who don't mind dying for a confirmed joint win)

[creedkingsx]

Not Escort.
Not Citizen.

[clementine]

Not Escort.
Not Citizen.

creed, what do you think of the plan?
And are you open to the idea of a joint win with the guards?

[Dagaen]

Well, I am also Citizen.

So what now if RLVG turn out to be guard? I assume Citizens can't visit people and we don't want our only investigative role veteranized.

[clementine]

Faction assignments:
imo this is how it looks. I'd like to lynch the guy who didn't show up yet today since he is (probably) a survivor and if one of the other survivors wants to be a pal and volunteer to die so that the next day we can lynch porio and the game ends with all of us except the joker winning.

Survivor
creedkingsx - NOT citizen, NOT escort (claimed)
NoctiZ - citizen (claimed)
Dagaen - citizen (claimed)
RLVG

Guard
clementine - veteran (claimed)
Titus - vigilante (claimed)

Joker
poriomania

[Dagaen]

Also if porio is another Citizen you Guard can be screwed, so you will probably want to kill Creed to be sure:/

[creedkingsx]

Faction assignments:
imo this is how it looks. I'd like to lynch the guy who didn't show up yet today since he is (probably) a survivor and if one of the other survivors wants to be a pal and volunteer to die so that the next day we can lynch porio and the game ends with all of us except the joker winning.

Survivor
creedkingsx - NOT citizen, NOT escort (claimed)
NoctiZ - citizen (claimed)
Dagaen - citizen (claimed)
RLVG

Guard
clementine - veteran (claimed)
Titus - vigilante (claimed)

Joker
poriomania

I almost feel like you are copy pasting the same thing and adding to it. :o

The plan is unnecessary for my faction, but relevant to necessary alliance in the unlikely chance porio is found not to be the Joker.

[clementine]

Magical list of Trust:

Titus : reads as guard; claimed guard vigilante
-Seems very preoccupied with the guards getting screwed with the first plan I proposed. The posts are really genuine and I am 99% sure that Titus is who she says she is.

Guards don't win with survivors. Guards only win if they have a majority of the vote. Joker gets kills uf his bounty fails. How do you account for that?

Clementine, I like the idea of a plan but let's work together to find one we can both agree on. I like the way you think, just not this plan. Any plan cannot require the joker to act in a particular way at this point, otherwise the joker would screw it up by doing the opposite.

I'm seeing several steps ahead. Guards lose if they go along with this plan. Guards only win if their numbers are equal to or greater than the survivors. Therefore, guards might not even claim at all. Not ezmode man. Not ezmode at all.

From the setup



Scenario: Joker claims Survivor

Don't lynch Joker's target, mislynch survivor target, mislynch survivor target. (Joker would be a moron to claim guard)
Joker kills both guards after he's gotten the KPN out of them.

Joker wins or is in lylo, unless a guard is a veteran. If the guard is a vet & joker dies, then two survivors left alive. Veteran Guard loses.

Solution: Guards lose... therefore they will not comply

Scenario: Joker claims Guard

Well the guards really don't want this and it's a moronic Joker play as he needs the KPN. Guards lose here too.

Joker needs the guards to increase the KPN. It also dramatically lowers his odds of survival. Joker won't claim here.


Clementine's plan is essentially have the guards sacrifice themselves so the survivors can cakewalk.

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Noctiz: reads as survivor; claims surivor citizen
I believe Nocitiz is a survivor about as much as I believe Titus (90% sure). Noctiz proposes some pro-town ideas like revealing the bounty target's alignment last [whoops we didnt do this] and he also volunteers to die. If there is one citizen claimer I believe the most, it is Noctiz.

I thought the plan was pretty good but instantly saw the lack of two situations: The case where someone gets doused and Joker claims the same alignment.

We should wait for the bounty announcement, then collect claims and reveal the bounty target's alignment last.

Yes I can.

I will also volunteer to die.

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creedkingsx: reads as survivor; claims non escort, non citizen survivor
-likes pro-survivor plan, generally is really consistent with his survivor POV and also brings up new points like cooperation with guards is not just a positive for the guards since it helps find lying survivor claims. I believe his claim of survivor to about 85%

wut
Once everyone claims, her plan becomes 1 plan. If there are 5 survivors, go with that. If there are 3 guards, go with that. Ezmode.

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Dagaen: reads as survivor or joker; claims citizen
-Dagaen is a bit odd to me. I don't have enough experience with him to know if he is talking a ton about the joker and bounties because that is his role or if it's because he's not the joker and is comfortable enough to joke about it. Furthermore, Dagaen displays some instances of townie paranoia which leads me to think he is, in fact, town.
-preoccupation with joker is a bit strange. I'd say 55% sure he is town.

Somehow I feel Clementine will be bountied ^^

Well, great, I didn't have to claim anything! Yes, I am Survivor.

Titus looks like Guard, with all those concerns about guard well-being but maybe that was on purpose:P

Btw, why voting d1? We will lynch Joker's bounty but only at the last possible moment, so we can gather clues. Or do we have to win this thing d1?

Btw, I lynched so many AFK Townies on BNet... I'm really afraid Titus is a Joker.

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Poriomania: reads as joker; claimed survivor
-Poriomania is content just to troll in this game and drift under the radar. I think that a town poriomania would try to organize with us better.
-He doesn't care for a plan that would organize the town and ensure a "joker does not win" scenario. My first plan screwed over the guards, yet porio was against it even though he claimed survivor which would directly benefit from the first plan.
-Secondly, he doesn't realize (as creed pointed out) that cooperation with the guards seems a bit necessary for creed the survivor in case of sorting through the survivor CC's since the guards likely have all the killing roles. Poriomania's whole mindset does not seem like that of a survivor although he has claimed it. I give poriomania a 15% chance of being town.

This is all very fascinating.

disclaimer: due to the fast-paced nature of this queue, I have the freedom to "switch" play styles until I find one that consistently wins games.

Since I know that my usual semi-aggressive, questioning playstyle (the one I use in most of my games) is difficult to work into a 24-hour day, I am adopting my sc2mafia playstyle - a mix of arrogance, abrasiveness, and (hopefully) curtness that has a knack for winning games.

I really don't care for a plan - my only objective this game is killing the Joker, and that it what shall I pursue.

any1 got a problem with that?

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RLVG: hasn't posted; we should lynch him

[clementine]

I almost feel like you are copy pasting the same thing and adding to it. :o

The plan is unnecessary for my faction, but relevant to necessary alliance in the unlikely chance porio is found not to be the Joker.

lol I am just copy-pasting it with updates if that wasn't clear. Also I forgot to add that porio soft claimed survivor. Basically, we should still lynch RLVG since everyone else has claimed.

[NoctiZ]

Solid reads, thank you clem.

[Dagaen]

I am very happy with my 55% Town. Seems like golden balance. I still don't mind dying.

I just feel bad with following one person like a sheep so I'm brainstorming and asking questions. The thing is Joker probably knows about our plans and can act accordingly.

Scenario: Joker claimed Guard. RLVG may be Guard and Poriomania may be Citizen, so remaining guard's best move is to shoot Creed, the only confirmed non-Citizen role. We now have 3 Survivors, 1 guard and 1 Joker claiming Guard, so obviously all of Survivors stop coopearating and just lynch Guards.

Sure this can be Joker move to destroy co-op, but I really just want bulletproof plan for everybody to win. Waiting with lynches till next day seems quite safe I believe?

[creedkingsx]

Unless RLVG flips guard, Joker claimed Survivor. Further, you feel if there are 3 cit claimers, it is best to shoot the one person that didn't claim the obvious scum role-claim? Are you daft? LOL

Whelp, let's move this along, then, shall we?

-vote RLVG

[NoctiZ]

I don't think we even have to shoot creed if he is the only non-citizen survivor role. Unlikely, but hypothetically speaking: Best scenario would be if he was something that could prove his role, but if all other Survivors claim Citizen then we shouldn't shoot creed but rather use two bullets on one of the Citizens.

[creedkingsx]

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[Dagaen]

Well, Citizen probably can't visit Vet, so Vigilante can't kill us right now. If RLVG will be Joker Guards can lose:P

Oh wel, they wanted it. Hopefully this time I'' make this right.

-vote RLVG

[RLVG]

I just woke up guys, been streaming on twitch from 4 on the day to 2 in the night lol. Evidence is the stream date of the video if you figure what my name is.

Ontopic : Lol, I'm voted?

I claim Citizen, Survivor. With a bad critiq on the card saying I'm not important.
I guess it's true if everyone randomly votes on me like this lol.

[RLVG]

I'm not even important to be on the signups list and yet I get a rolecard. Wat.

[RLVG]

Titus Colored Vote 1?
Clem 1
Creed 1
Daga 1

Am I hammered already, or does Titus' vote not count for not using [Vote]?

[Dagaen]

Well I believe him.

-unvote

[Dagaen]

Sooo get Porio now or what?

[NoctiZ]

Dunno, you seem quite scummy if you ask me.

[RLVG]

Dunno, you seem quite scummy if you ask me.

Let's vote 3X on Porio, if he doesn't answer we will hammer him at the end of day.
If he flips Survivor or guard, one of the respective factions has a liar in them.

[Dagaen]

Porio mentioned something about being Survivor, so Joker is probably Survivor. Still I want Porio to tell us if he is non-Citizen.

-vote Poriomania

[RLVG]

Porio mentioned something about being Survivor

Faction assignments:
imo this is how it looks. I'd like to lynch the guy who didn't show up yet today since he is (probably) a survivor and if one of the other survivors wants to be a pal and volunteer to die so that the next day we can lynch porio and the game ends with all of us except the joker winning.

Survivor
creedkingsx (claimed)
NoctiZ - citizen (claimed)
Dagaen (claimed)
RLVG

Guard
clementine - veteran (claimed)
Titus - vigilante (claimed)

Joker
poriomania

Are you sure? If that's the case, Clem is suspicious for holding information or not having seen this.
(Add this with that there being too many survivors is suspicious)

[Dagaen]

disclaimer: due to the fast-paced nature of this queue, I have the freedom to "switch" play styles until I find one that consistently wins games.

Since I know that my usual semi-aggressive, questioning playstyle (the one I use in most of my games) is difficult to work into a 24-hour day, I am adopting my sc2mafia playstyle - a mix of arrogance, abrasiveness, and (hopefully) curtness that has a knack for winning games.

I really don't care for a plan - my only objective this game is killing the Joker, and that it what shall I pursue.

any1 got a problem with that?

It isn't clear claim. Clementine mentioned it later, so don't worry, he doesn't withhold anything. But Porio's claim looks quite suspicious to me - I mean every Joker will try to act as much non-Jokerish as possible, so stating "I wanna kill Joker" looks quite strange.

Dunno, you seem quite scummy if you ask me.

Why NoctiZ? Don't you believe that non-Joker person can be afk?

[NoctiZ]

Why NoctiZ? Don't you believe that non-Joker person can be afk?

Can you rephrase this? I can't quite get behind the "double negative" you used, it's hard for me to answer this like that.

[creedkingsx]

Do you guys recognize what the idea of this all was?