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    Framer Mechancis

    I have a couple of questions about the framer, especially since it was slightly changed a while ago.

    q1: if Framer frames A, and sheriff B and investigator C both check A, will they get the same results?
    --same with 2 sheriffs, or 2 investigators.
    q2: if no evil killing neutrals are alive, can framer frame as an evil neutral?

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    Re: Framer Mechancis

    sheriff and invest can't get same results?
    but yes, the framer will frame as the same role to everybody.

    also, no. the rolecard says that it frames as any living

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    Re: Framer Mechancis

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptonic View Post
    sheriff and invest can't get same results?
    but yes, the framer will frame as the same role to everybody.

    also, no. the rolecard says that it frames as any living
    framer frames A as an SK.

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    Re: Framer Mechancis

    Quote Originally Posted by Boss View Post
    so its a random frame?

    an investigator could potentially get a disguiser/detective read off a doctor?
    If he got an SK read it wouldn't help so much. SK read on Doctor is normal. Seeing ~Disguiser claiming Doctor would be more effective of a frame likely. Or atleast in an FM.

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    Re: Framer Mechancis

    Quote Originally Posted by Boss View Post
    so its a random frame?

    an investigator could potentially get a disguiser/detective read off a doctor?
    phrased this incorrectly:

    if a framer frames A, the doctor, and the investigator, B, checks A, .... B could potentially get a detective/disguiser or a lookout/blackmailer, or a leader of men, or something else?

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    Re: Framer Mechancis

    Quote Originally Posted by Boss View Post
    phrased this incorrectly:

    if a framer frames A, the doctor, and the investigator, B, checks A, .... B could potentially get a detective/disguiser or a lookout/blackmailer, or a leader of men, or something else?
    Yes. If that neutral/Mafia is still alive.

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    Re: Framer Mechancis

    ok i am gonna quote what the wiki says but im sure if riff checks framed target it can appear as nutral evils

    Sheriffs that investigate a framed player will see them as a member of the Mafia.

    Investigators that investigate a framed player will see them as one of the currently living Mafia roles or Killing Neutrals.
    if its alwas memebr of mafia it should be fixed if possible to see nutal evils that are alive but im 90% sure it has been implimented for riff that can can appear nutral evil

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    Re: Framer Mechancis

    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    ok i am gonna quote what the wiki says but im sure if riff checks framed target it can appear as nutral evils



    if its alwas memebr of mafia it should be fixed if possible to see nutal evils that are alive but im 90% sure it has been implimented for riff that can can appear nutral evil
    the reason why i ask here is that the wiki is falliable and im asking people who might know from experience

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    Re: Framer Mechancis

    as invest when my target is framed i usually see leader among men. that instantly tells me he was framed or is mayor/mason leader. cuz GF is just so often immune to detection. and if it is turned off "gf alert"

    and as far as sheriff check goes, sheriffs will always see "your target is a member of the mafia" reguardless of what their role actually is, if they were framed.

    i am unaware if it is possible for an investigator to see anything but leader among men against a framed target, i have never seen it happen.

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    Re: Framer Mechancis

    Quote Originally Posted by kyle1234513 View Post
    as invest when my target is framed i usually see leader among men. that instantly tells me he was framed or is mayor/mason leader. cuz GF is just so often immune to detection. and if it is turned off "gf alert"

    and as far as sheriff check goes, sheriffs will always see "your target is a member of the mafia" reguardless of what their role actually is, if they were framed.

    i am unaware if it is possible for an investigator to see anything but leader among men against a framed target, i have never seen it happen.
    and this is why i'm asking it.

    an investigator shouldn't see leader of men as framed if the gf is immune to detection. it shoulllddd be cit/sinister

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    Re: Framer Mechancis

    Quote Originally Posted by cattack View Post
    As far as I am aware the investigator finds that the target is good at forgery, indicating they are a framer. Which, there is always is if there is a framer ;) Never seen any sheriff get a neutral killer detection from a frame. I'd say what is on the wiki is incorrect. It's only as mafia members.
    no they changed it a while back. it can show up as a nutral killer if it exist in the game for riff, for invest it will show the flips of them if not exact is on

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    Re: Framer Mechancis

    does the Framer still frame players to look like a Godfather or Framer? even when they are detection immune?
    i don't remember if it was ever fixed ^^;

    cause as an Investigator getting the clue for Godfather or Framer when both roles are detection immune... just screams "FREAMER IN GAME" to any Investigator ^^;

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    Re: Framer Mechancis

    Quote Originally Posted by Deantwo View Post
    does the Framer still frame players to look like a Godfather or Framer? even when they are detection immune?
    i don't remember if it was ever fixed ^^;

    cause as an Investigator getting the clue for Godfather or Framer when both roles are detection immune... just screams "FREAMER IN GAME" to any Investigator ^^;
    Framer shouldn't frame as a godfather, not sure about framer though.

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    Re: Framer Mechancis

    Quote Originally Posted by Deantwo View Post
    does the Framer still frame players to look like a Godfather or Framer? even when they are detection immune?
    i don't remember if it was ever fixed ^^;

    cause as an Investigator getting the clue for Godfather or Framer when both roles are detection immune... just screams "FREAMER IN GAME" to any Investigator ^^;
    Id love to test it

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